 Okay. Here we go. We're going to get ready for the next talk, which was a bit of a miscommunication. There was talk about a DHS talk, and we forgot to say that was the DEF CON hackers of society, not the Department of Homeland Security. So the intention was the ‑‑ it was ‑‑ I'll take responsibility is my bad, but the announcement was sucked for the session. It was originally intended the secretary of DHS, who I've worked with in the past, who is a good guy, he's not evil. He wanted to come and talk about conversation, and I fireside chat and I had all my questions ready to grill them and poke fun and just have a good conversation about where things are going and where DHS is or isn't the appropriate place to help. Everything was great on Monday at the beginning of the week, and by the end of the week nothing is happening. That's how quickly things change. We spent weeks planning for it. There are multiple people that spent weeks planning for the secretary to be here, from security coordination to the agenda of every time he steps his foot and moves. Everything has to be coordinated in the Secret Service. If you get a secretary attending, you also get other people. So we had all the senior leadership from Cyber, Jen Easterly, Eric Goldstein, and it was really going to be a pretty impressive engagement at the beginning of the week. Did he get stuck at the border? Oh, spicy. We started, baby. So instead, we're going to do our version of the DHS, right? This is our... Are you going to ask us all the exact same questions? I'm going to... I should pretend to be the secretary. Yeah. I could pretend to be the... But then I have to be between two servers, between two goons. I am the secretary of DHS. Okay. So instead of trying to rearrange our schedule and move something forward or backwards, we're going to fill the time with our illustrious panel here. And since we didn't have a DEF CON 101, and we don't do DEF CON 101, this will be our DEF CON 102. And so now's your chance to leave. That's not what you were expecting. But that guy, he's like, boom, out of here. That guy knows what he wants and it's not us. As a concession prize, the secretary still wants to do the fireside chat. So we will do that. He's committed to doing that. And we'll end up having it at some point in the future, whether it's in person or at the next year. It'll happen. It just didn't happen this year. So sorry. Alrighty. I want to pass it over to this wild bunch of red-shirted rascals. Yeah. And now I'll kick this off with an old goon story for you. Man, this is really loud. I'm ringing. Okay. So DEF CON 6, my very first time at DEF CON. I'm gooning. And DT walks into the knock where we're all operating. He's like, hey, we have to fill an hour because the speaker just dropped out. Go fill an hour. So now we're just doing it. Nothing changes. Nothing changes after 20 something thousand years. So yeah. That's my start. So how do we do this one-on-one? I've never attended. Do you guys want to hear about one? Who knows about the fountains getting soaked or suds or whatever at the Alexis park? What about the concrete and the toilets? No, I'm going to tell them. I'm going to tell them. Rifter's gotten so spicy in his older age. I am. I don't know. This is when you get this old. You know, my old people, you just stop caring. All right. So it was a tradition at the Alexis park. It became a tradition to soak the fountains to create a ridiculous amount of suds and just have a good time. After several years of this, the staff obviously caught on. On Thursday, we're arriving for the show because it didn't start until Friday at that time. And all of the staff is around the fountain, right? And we walk past them and we're like, oh, yeah, you guys getting ready and they're like, yeah, we're just going to shut everything off before everybody gets here. And we're like, yeah, that's pretty smart. That's a good idea. And then immediately ran down the street to the mini mart that was on the corner there, which by the way said that we drank more than any other group. That was the AP itself. The rest of the year. Yeah. Bought all of the dawn liquid detergent, ran back, filled up the ice bucket plastic bags, just gave them a little twist, right? And then it's the twist. I like how you're like the twist. That's the key. The twist is key because on impact, you know, it just comes, it comes apart nicely. But you don't want to knot it up. You want maximum dispersal of the gel there, the soap. And then so they had disappeared. The hotel staff disappeared. We're hucking bags of dawn liquid detergent into the fountains. And it was, it was our best year. It was massive. And there are pictures out there. If I would have known that we were doing this, I would have got the pictures. But there was foam everywhere. And then probably 15 to 20 minutes later, the staff is once again standing next to the fountain except this time there are, you know, suds licking their heels. And we walk by again and we're like, oh, they got it. Huh? They got you. And they were like, they're just like staring at us. We're like. Now you know those are rookie numbers. You need to pump that up. I'm waiting to see it hit the Bellagio. I'd like to add to that that a couple years back when we came into this property, one of the, the Sock Boons mentioned that you know, you guys, you should, that fountain down there, it's going to get bubbled. And I'm like, no, it won't. It won't. It won't. Attendees don't do that anymore. And it's true. The attendees don't do it. Yeah, the other thing we used to do for funsies is we didn't do this. But so for years we were at the AP and they would be like, you need a giant liability thing. And we're like, why? And they're like, well, we have to replace the bathroom every year. And we're like, why? And they're like, well, somebody pours concrete in it. And we're like, really? So we actually literally bought three Vegas bathrooms over the years. Also, here's an even spicier story for you that probably no one, of course we're not allowed to have bean bags. Well, we also poured the concrete in the toilet. So that was a personal mistake. What Nikita's over here saying is this is why they're not allowed to have bean bags. I remember we had bean bags a couple years ago. So people were trying to steal the bean bags. And so they were like, how do I get rid of all of the foam inside the bean bags? Well, someone tried to flush it. Styrofoam. They tried to flush it in the bathroom. And guess where it overflowed? The head of season is up. The fountain. So I'm going to tell a horrific DEF CON story, but it's actually two. I'm going to do two first. So one, at the Alexis Park a couple years ago, you know, we were young, we were much less responsible than we are now. And someone drank a huge amount of alcohol and fell down the stairs and cracked their skull. So a young woman, I actually, you know, I don't know how the story actually ends, but I do know how it starts. Well, it's a great, no, it's a great story. So she cracks her skull open and we're like, oh my God. So we have EMTs on site. We amble her out of there. They do a CAT scan and they find a tumor. And that's how they early caught her cancer. So DEF CON does save lives. It also fights crime. There was a hotel we were at for a number of years and we had been attending this hotel for a number of years and the accountants, they said to us, we don't want you back. Every year we come, you come here, we lose $10,000. We're in the black or we're in the whatever, the red. I don't do accounting, so I don't care. And we're like, that seems impossible. We drink more alcohol in a weekend than you sell in a year. Plus we fill every hotel room and we eat all your food. And they're like, yeah, but we lose money. And we're like, that seems odd. And there was a slight management change there. And the next year, they were like, we don't know what happened. You guys made us a ton of money this year. More than we ever made. And we're like, and someone from our staff just pointed out, your CFO has been embezzling all the money. And they're like, no, that's not possible. Did they legit investigate that? Wait for it. And then the statute of limitations on that case, you could prosecute them. And they're like, there's no way that so-and-so embezzled all our money. Have you noticed he drives a Maserati? And then he pushed that girl down the stairs? No. So for five years, a CFO at one of the hotels that we used to go to was embezzling massive amounts of money. It's actually in prison, right? Yeah, I think I was like, it was, well, man. I have one. Hey, I need audience participation on this. Yeah, I was going to say, what do you want to know about DEF CON? So how many years? I got this. Do you? All right, audience, who's heard of Shot the Noob? Wow, one guy. Has anyone heard of like shots on stage with new speakers? All right, there's a little bit more. So like, that's what we do, right? Anyone like to stand up and sort of describe how that works? What goes on? No? Okay, no. So what you normally hear, you may see it in tracks this weekend. So we have a little tradition here at DEF CON. New speakers get to do a shot on stage. It's totally voluntary. We ask them up front if they want to do it. And it's not a full shot, less than a full shot. But it's a long standing tradition or so we would love you to believe. So DEF CON 19, we had Whit Diffie speaking at DEF CON. And it was going to be Whit Diffie and Moxie Marlin Spike on a panel with DT. And we had to go pick up Whit Diffie at the airport. So three goons got in a car, pick up Whit Diffie at the airport, came back. Because he's a legend? Because he's a legend, but he'd never, at DEF CON 19, he had never spoken at DEF CON before. So in the car, I told him, well, we have a little bit of a tradition. You're not allowed to speak until you do a shot on stage. And Whit is all about that, by the way. Like, Whit literally is like, sounds great. Didn't think anything of it, right? We get back to the green room. Diffie meets DT. He meets Moxie Marlin Spike. We get him on the stage. And the DT goes into a long introduction about how we have the old crypto and new crypto meeting each other for the first time. And then he asks Moxie Marlin Spike a question. And Moxie answers the question. Then he asks another question and directs it to Whit Diffie. So we're solidly, and you can watch this on YouTube, we're solidly 8, 10 minutes into the talk and Whit hasn't said a word yet. So he gets to the first question and Whit says, well, I'm told I'm not allowed to speak unless I have a shot. At which point X bolts through the room because we've forgotten the shot. And gets the Scotch, brings it up, you can see it on video, puts it on the stage, Whit does the shot, and we go on. The Rest is History. Right. So that then expands over the period of years to become sort of a long-standing tradition where we allow new speakers to do a shot on stage. It got a little out of hands with us interrupting talks for a while. So we slowed that down and now we do it beforehand. Really? You can interrupt my talk anytime. We may do that. Yeah. That's going to happen. Okay. So I would like to know if anyone in the audience has DEF CON questions, I would like to have a Q and A here. We have a contest goon, we have speaker goons, we have a sock goon, we have long-time senior staff, old goons. So if you would like to know something about DEF CON or ask us a question, no matter what it is, let's have an AMA. Let's do this. What do you want to know? Does anyone have any questions? Oh, that's hard. Any question? If you have a question, stand up and speak really loudly. Okay. They want to be a goon. She's shooting her shot. How to be a goon? Yeah. So the way that people have become goons that I have experienced is they basically have been drafted. Either they've been around goons and something needed to happen and we just grabbed another body and that human just suddenly became a goon. There are teams that are looking for additional people. Usually, so for at least speaker operations, we do what's called probes. So it's one year where you come volunteer for like an hour or two, you're still a normal human, but you get to learn the ropes, you get to see if our team is right for you, get to learn what's up. We are happy to take probes. Being a probee does not guarantee you a spot on our team. We do that based on seniority and who's attending. I'm sure that other teams have some something, but I think it's very unique to the team. So what I can probably say the best is... Don't forget there's also a seven hour coding test and you have to do back flips and oh wait, no, we're not Google. We're real people. So there is like a variety of teams that are all very unique. So if there is a particular like area that you particularly like to hang out in, contests, vendors, if you want to do A&E, the arts and entertainment people, there's info booth, there's security or sock goons. Yeah, by all means. I would say also, and this is true for like career stuff as well, it's kind of one of those things where it's like if you want a job, you just start doing it. I think everybody, anybody done that before like at work where you're like, you know what, I'm like, I'm trying to get that promotion or I'm trying to get into that department. I'm just going to start doing that. Like go ahead and get that promotion. So I would say that it is that you're interested in joining and just be like, hey, how can I help? That's how that's how it worked for me. Like initially I was in the vendor area as a vendor and I just started helping the vendor goons out and they were like, hey, you should totally come goon with us. So if you just start doing it and then be like, I don't know where my red badge went. Has anybody seen my T-shirt? And then maybe they'll just put one on and say that one thing that I found is really helps people is to say, I can do this. Instead of saying, how can I help you? People have a very hard time directing others, especially new people that come into the mix. It's like, I have a hard time telling you what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what you can do. And so they tend to take it upon themselves on their shoulders more and just go with the flow. But if you say, hey, I can help you with this or I can help carry that or would you like me to stand here and while you do whatever? Offering what you can do in the conversation, especially if it's something you enjoy doing and that is very key, that will help you get in to becoming a goon much faster than saying, what do you want me to do? And I've seen that happen in so many cases. You just have to put yourself out there and do it. Or Nikita could just, you could deputize the whole crowd or something. I've done that. Wave your arm over them. Nikita will get you guys your shirts. My question is, what is it you're interested in? We've been up here talking. You tell us what you're interested in. Let's take that offline. Let's go to the next question. We're going to beat this dead horse. Go. Another question. We have a lot of pallets we need to move. So if you can run a pallet jack, yeah. Welcome to teamsters. I don't remember who did it, but one of the goons just tweeted out where they said, me thinking about being a goon, it was like, I'm going to get this insider track and this insider information. The reality is, this is my role of gaffer's tape. There are many like it, but this one is mine. That's what it really means. I was in the contest area taping down cables this morning. Dude, I've been doing this for 20 years, and they're still like, you can be around Monday to like health move 56 pallets. And I'm like, cheaper than the gym. All right. What's next? What do you got? Give us something. Who else has got a question? Yeah, what do you got, man? Welcome to DEF CON. Welcome. How to get the most out of DEF CON? You're doing it because you just participated. Yeah, the best thing is to just go do something. Like go into the village and sit down. Find something that you've never done before. So it's like, okay, this is weird and different. You know, I'm not going to get access to this equipment or these people or whatever just sitting at home. So let me just walk and literally, I know it's hard. By nature, I am an introvert as well. I have to like die. Yes. I go into a cave for like weeks after DEF CON and I just rock and forth. But one thing about DEF CON that I learned very early on was that just like walking up to people and saying like, hi, I'm so-and-so, what are you guys talking about? What are you guys working on? If you see somebody with like a cool thing, a badge or different thing, hey, what is that? How does that work? You just engage. People love, as you can see, talking about themselves. But yeah, just going up and saying, what is that thing? Can you show me how that works? And most people get pretty excited about whatever the project is that they're working on and we'll be happy to share it with them. One of the things that I want to add, one of the ways that I, like my first year at DEF CON, I went solo. I didn't know anyone here. And I ended up joining the Scavenger Hunt and they basically assigned me a team, which is a great way to meet people. Scavenger Hunt is great and still running this year. But what I look for when I'm trying to meet people is I look for people that are excited. If there's like a bunch of people around a table and they are like animatedly talking, they're probably working on a challenge and they probably could use extra help. And even if you feel like you've never done any crypto stuff or something like that, don't worry about your experience. Get in, like people are almost universally happy to meet with other people who are interested in getting excited. And if you can just Google things, you can very well help with any of the challenges. A lot of them can be solved just with creative googling and finding the right thing. The badges, every single year for a while now, these have been an individual contest and they've got a bunch of things to explore. And one of the things that surprised me yesterday is there is a multi-player game. And what I didn't realize is it was multi-player at first. And what I really didn't realize is that it changed to a bunch of different people. So I come out of speaker operations and I see this huge circle of people that are all connected with wires and I'm like what the hell is going on? And they were playing a 16-player game of Simon Says with the badges. So just look for things that don't look right. People that are excited. Just go talk to them. Most people are friendly. I know it could be hard to put yourself out there, but it is one of the best ways to get things out of DEF CON. I would say join a contest. Scavenger Hunt. It's super fun. There's stuff on the list. Go check it out. Even if you just grab a couple other people and maybe try to do some of it. Even if you're not going out to win, you're going to miss it. It's still a really good time. Or if you want something that's a super low barrier to entry, the tin foil hat contest, go over there. Those are DEF CON veterans who have been around a really long time and they just wanted to do something simple and fun and they're really funny and nice to chat with. They're good people to meet as well. Go over there and make a weird ass tin foil hat. You're going to miss more than you. Your liver will hate you. You see what I'm saying? Pace yourself, 3, 2, 1. Go see what you want to go see. There are ways to get the videos later. Just explore everything. It's a marathon and not a race. Stay hydrated. Get out of your comfort zone and take rest. Everyone wants to, it's super easy to sit in tracks and obviously I love to see people sit in tracks but pick the talks that you want to see but go over to contest, go over to villages, hang out at the bar, talk to people, go to chill out, talk to people. Jump in the pool. Those will be the experiences that you remember on your plane ride back. Your networking opportunities of what you're sitting in right now, far outweighs what you're going to learn in any track. I want everyone to turn to their left side. Do we have any sock questions? I convinced my friend to come up on stage here and I feel like some of us are talking more. Do we have any sock questions? Can I ask them? No. Do you guys still carry truncheons? We got one right here. Welcome. Best friends. Do you want to talk about working in a CEO, man? Okay, we should wrap, dude. Isn't that Cisco Kool-Aid delicious? Love it. And incredibly boring. I like how this guy's just like, yes, yes. Do you want to learn how to be more of a criminal? Curiosity. That was it. It's all curiosity. If you take something apart, when you look at the definition of the word hacker from what it comes from, it has nothing to do with computers. When I do a presentation for work, I have everybody in the crowd and I've got a lot of corporate guy who's running around. And I ask them, have you ever changed a recipe on something that you don't like black beans or you hate sour cream so you didn't put it in? You use cream cheese? Welcome to the hacker community because you just hack something and it's that simple. So you get curious about it and you go into it. Yeah, I mean, I agree. I would say, you know, also just, I mean, for me, conferences and like being at places like this, as you're walking around talking to people, you'll start to pick up whatever like the new thing is, right? Like the new technology or the thing that all the hackers are starting to get excited about. And when you hear those things over and over again, then it's like, oh, this is going to be big or this is going to be interesting. And 20 years ago, that was like Wi-Fi, right? Like people were like, oh man, oh, this is crazy. Look, they're going to hook their networks up and just blast all the packets out into the parking lot. But initially it was like a couple of people in hallways and stuff being like, oh, yeah, they're doing this with the radios and blah, blah, blah. And everybody chuckles when I say Wi-Fi because obviously it's such a basic part of our lives now. But that was something that hackers were talking about in the hallways and in the single digit DEFCON days, right? Or RFID, NFC, like things where people were like, oh, yeah, like you just tap your freaking card on stuff and that stuff was being talked about in the halls of DEFCON long before it was being used by everybody, everyone has it in their pocket, right? So pay attention for things like that. When you hear other people getting excited about a certain type of tech or saying like, check out this thing and then you start to hear it repeated throughout the conference or you hear a speaker mention it from the stage and then somebody in the vendor area has some little hacked together kit or whatever, like grab that thing and then latch on and it could potentially be like a huge game changing, like career thing. So let me add one other thing about talks and tracks. A lot of times you're going to be listening to a very technical talk and especially if you're new you may not get everything but what you're getting is context, right? You'll pick up a little bit and each time you hear another talk about that you get a little bit more. So don't get frustrated keep laying in, keep learning and as you start to pick up pieces you'll start to get a greater depth of knowledge and understand a little bit more of each of it so stick with it. It may take five or six times. Think like a criminal. We were very lucky when we were young and they didn't have laws and nobody fucking cared what we were doing and all that jazz. So one of the things that's different now is that you know, the man. Anyway, but yeah I think one of the things to look at is how you can exploit stuff for your gain because that is often how you can see how criminality works and most people don't think about it that way. They think about how it's supposed to work. How is it not supposed to work? But it works for me. My benefit. Yes. What I want. My desires. Yes. I think a big thing there too is that there's a, we have a serious issue with imposter syndrome like in our community where people think that the thing that they discovered that if they discovered it it must not be that hard to figure out. That's bullshit. If it's interesting to you or you find a new way of doing something don't second guess yourself to say oh well if I did that you know how often you hear people say well if I can do it so could you. What a bullshit statement. Don't doubt yourself. Clearly I'm the biggest moron in this room so if I could figure it out you can. Put the thing that you found out there. Tweet it out. Whatever the thing is that you discovered put it out into the world because it might be the thing that one sparks either excitement and entertainment in somebody or it could be the thing that potentially keeps them from like you know at least in an information security standpoint like keeps them from ending up on the news right? You're like oh I found this IOC and you're like well if I found it somebody else must have found that as well just put it out there. As someone who processes all the talks we look for stepping stone talks. We look for talks where it's like yeah this is cool we enjoy this but I feel like somebody else can take what this person has done and keep moving forward with it and that's what we kind of refer to as like a stepping stone. This will help someone else get farther in their goal and yeah so even if you think oh this is small this is impractical only a small subsection of people would be interested in this thing share it anyways because if you do it for the grand we had a question this year on the forum that said why DEF CON? Why are you submitting this talk to DEF CON? And what inspired you to give this talk? I cannot tell you how many people said because this guy gave this talk last year and I took that research and I expanded it and I went further with it and this is what I got check this shit out and we love that so don't ever hold yourself back no matter how small something is it's a conversation we're a community that's true of other conferences as well don't sell the people's stuff to the DEF CON talk if there is a lot of other security conferences that happen and if you see a talk that is particularly interesting to you and you think you can add to it try you don't even have to give a talk if you don't want to just play around with what people put out there on the talks one of the things that's personally frustrating with me is there's a lot of talks universally across all kinds of security things that they will just dump a python script and their PDF of their slides and that script that code is never maintained it's never updated it's never made usable so there's a lot of tools and stuff that if you just spend some time bringing some tools to port them from python 2 to python 3 or something and give a talk about your adventures going through other security professionals code that would be fun and interesting for me I can't, I'm not on the CFP board I can't promise any things but that sounds like it would be a fun talk to me more questions you guys need to row shambles fight that guy standing up asserted your dominance I respect it oh my god are you just going to say while I'm talking or what's going on here actually I'm doing the speaker goon in the room whose job it is to carry the stuff around brings it quickly so they created a bingo card and he's trying to get to bingo quicker than his buddy who's also here for the first time by coming and doing a shot on stage so you guys have context is there alcohol present is there a bar we will find it who else had a question I would just ring out for a little while something might show up see it's already on its way you can ask your question this is happening oh look at this this is the participation we're looking for or he's got a gun oh wow and it's good we're prepped oh wow this is the kind of preparation we look for have you thought about becoming a goon sir see that's how that happened see that's how the soul works out wow this guy are you doing the shot with him I don't drink so it's not me he needs to be on stage I don't drink I stopped drinking 20 years ago here you go you can do a shot with us I'm going to hit the hard stuff do you want to be my stand in alright come do it wear my badge for a bit he's going to run off with the badge someone take a picture of him wearing my badge and be like look at grifter doing shots on stage okay if you drink it too soon you'll die we got to time it don't drink it yet I asked on the forums they don't target me keep on they said bring booze here you go I'm speeding the adults on shift I'm not working I tell you what if somebody wants to do it in my stead hey I don't drink I haven't drank in a long time except chocolate milk you've been here the longest we're good we're good I can't drink I'm on shift I'm so responsible there you do somebody's going to be designated gotta keep you safe to DEF CON welcome to DEF CON good job grifter you killed that last time goon alright next question right here that's you he's asked what's happening can I take this one? I was just repeating it for the audience he's been around since DEF CON 7 he was a very much a prevalent thing in the early DEF CON years he's asking what happened to spot the fed so everyone's a fed now I mean yeah so my first DEF CON I literally was on stage and I was like that guy's a fed and he was yeah it's just become a lot easier I mean they're everywhere and so it just became kind of not as common very specific definition so for those of you who may or may not be federal contractors or employees in the audience a fed here is badge, gun, power to arrest right duty to report if you are a federal contractor even if you work for a three-letter agency you're a government government officer you're not a fed here a gun, power to arrest the other sort of side of spot the fed is in probably like the last 10 years at the very least spot the fed is one of the events that we've held when we lost a speaker so if a talk was not running so like for example this hour we would spontaneously go grab like priests and a few other sock goons put them on stage and be just like doing spot the fed go this particular talk this group of people was arranged about five to ten minutes before the actual talk as you can probably tell well planned there are still shirts I just asked Nikita, are there shirts so they're still out there so if you genuinely think that somebody and it shouldn't just be like oh this is my buddy from work this is somebody who is like trying to to put it in perspective it's like shooting fish in a barrel here I want you to bring me a marlin I don't want just any fed who's a fed in here anybody willing to admit it no then there's at least then we know at least some of you really are and you're full of shit so now we know find them alright you had a question there first step are you a speaker the question is now that we're doing a hybrid model because of covid what will the model look like going forward I think that's probably a Nikita question wait you want me to answer no no I hope my intention one of my goals to be is that I can streamline things so that we can get these talks out to everyone who can't make it I can't tell you how many times I've had an accepted speaker be denied entry into the United States to give their talk that's never gonna happen at DEF CON ever again like I'm mad about it you guys with a speaker can't get here we're gonna stream their talk as far as having the talks available I'm gonna make sure that happens too we have the capability now that we can take what happens live on stage and push it out to the internet live so if you're home and you can't make it you can see that I want to expand things for discord but we also have to understand that's two conferences at once and while it was something we've adapted to now I cannot promise it's gonna be as active as it was last year or this year but we will always still have that component open and there's no doubt in my mind that we're gonna still have that discord open all year round because the community needs a place to go they need a place to talk and share ideas and interact with each other that is unique to just DEF CON and one other thing that I've noticed that started to improve is other villages and contests they are building their own discords blue team village has one I can't even think of all of them they have their own they have their own now so if you're really into a certain thing go check it out on discord and see how you can do that all year round build that community we're a tribe of tribes so I don't see it ending but it's not gonna be like 100% so the other thing is 2020 sucked but it also forced everybody to grow in new and exciting ways we would never have figured out how to push all this stuff online as much as we have so that's actually helped us grow in a lot of ways and that's kind of cool so we're gonna take the good stuff but I would I like getting together with 30,000 people of my closest friends every year so hopefully we can get to that stage soon one more question right here he's in the center yeah well before you ask your question real quick can I get a show of hands who is here for the first time at DEF CON hell yeah welcome to DEF CON you're the bravest what's your question man oh oh where was that question when we were fucking being dumb and shit in the first 10 minutes are there stories or legends of DEF CON past that the mass media missed who is the reporter so here's kind of a funny story the press sometimes can be overly aggressive in their coverage and try to build a story to their own liking but DEF CON has a lot of friends out there and so many years ago we had a very aggressive reporter decide to come to DEF CON and basically try to do some gotcha journalism the hilarity of this was that DEF CON got them first before they even stepped on property we had track of the story when they were on property we didn't we had a surveillance team on them and we knew exactly what they were doing through the entire experience it did not turn out the way the reporter would have liked being don't be mean it's not cool so we do have a dedicated press team there are goons that are dedicated for interacting there is the press that show up they are supposed to get a special press badge they follow certain rules and code of conduct but there are there have been cases in the past like what X mentioned remember the French dudes yeah we don't have time we gotta wrap this up I have a story for you we are also very selective we do not let in local press because all they do is get on the local TV channels and say a whole bunch of hackers and try to fud we don't tolerate that so we don't advertise to local press we don't let them in and the press department in case anybody wants to contact them is very selective and they are very strict on the rules so if you ever see any of them taking crowd shots or anything like that you need to tell a goon because that is 100% not allowed and they won't try to get away with it if you are not careful yeah see me afterward I got a great story about some French guys yeah but this is not the French guys the French guys are even better thank you for coming and listening she's never been the same after that by the way and thank you to Nikita for all the work she puts into DEF CON and now running two conferences at once love you Nikita