 Welcome to the Monday, May 20th meeting of the Month Hillier Design Review Committee. I will let members and staff introduce themselves. Hannah Smith. Meredith Crandall. Steph. Stephen Everett. Liz Fritchett. Benjamin Sheen. Unless any money has anything else beforehand, do I hear a motion to approve our agenda for tonight? Second. All in favor? Agenda is approved. Without any further ado, we will let, and actually for anybody who has not been here before, we are advisory to the Development Review Board. You will listen to each of the applications and move them forward to either administrative approval or the next Development Review Board meeting following this evening. Our first application for 50 at Berry Street. Come forward and describe your project. Hergola. You want something? I'm fine. Yeah, just to pardon me if I get hard on you here. So what we are proposing doing is taking the pergola element from out here in front and moving it to the senior center. It had to move because of property rental reasons and it seemed like a good opportunity to use the part of it that was still in good shape and to create some shade for the seniors in front of the senior center. So it would occupy the eastern of the two courts. And I get a slight redesign of it, but it's fundamentally the same. What essentially we're doing is creating a bench here and using an existing planter here and here and an existing bench here and here. I'm then going to build these and so essentially the over the head elements are in good shape. Refurbish them and restain them and then I'm going to rebuild the base elements for the most part so that the thing is in good shape. And it is a temporary installation that will be tested for the summer. There'll be a community meeting to see how well it worked because there was some skepticism amongst the tenants more than probably the seniors who used the building. We're going to see if it works and if it's in general appreciated then it would stay longer. It might be up for a couple of years, two or three, four. We'll see what happens, but it should last for a while and provide shade and that's a soft spot on Berry Street. Is there any provision for additional shade other than the curved lattice work on top? Yes. I'm missing what I would call the secondary beams, the ones that are just curving here are going to be pushed actually to the front and I'm going to increase their density and they'll be placed perpendicular parallel to the south. Just west so that southern light will be better blocked by them than it was over here. You may have noticed that it wasn't really such a good shade structure. So I'm going to stack the members up vertically this way against the sun and try to make it more effective for shade because that is essentially what this one's for. It's not just decorative, it's a shade element. Is there any lighting proposed for a later evening? Yes. I actually apologize, that's not an application, that was a recent thought. We're talking about buying a very inexpensive but actually quite lovely, very small colored LEDs that'll be solar activated. So I did this on a parkway in Burlington and it's just a teeny little solar panel about this big with batteries and then a light string and the little LEDs are about this big and we'll put them on the underside of the rafters so that they'll just be twinkling from to the people below. They don't actually provide light, they just provide a little sense of ambiance and they won't be visible to birds or to residents above, I don't think. So they're just... Steve, would you like Joanne? Can you turn to a microphone? I'm just wondering if you'd like Joanne. Do I hold it? Okay. I'm wondering if you want Joanne Triana to speak to the existing lighting that's out there. We're just wondering about modifications. Sure, if you like. Is there really lighting on the front of the building now over the entryway? The flag is lit and there are ballards along so that people can come in after dark and see safety lighting, but it doesn't shine up. I would definitely say the whole thing probably doesn't have 30 blocks. I mean it's very, very light. It's just almost like a twin nose of color. And it's going to be planted like it similarly to the way it was planted before? Yes. The goal is to raise enough money to... I mean while we're working on raising enough money, so there's a planting budget for this for like three years. So the beds aren't very big. They're, you know, from EDU just two rectangular beds and we'll plant them at the end of the year. And are you imagining any climbing stuff over that trough? That actually would be nice. Actually hops or something would be nice to cover the trough. So that might be one of the things that's actually a very good idea. Worth doing. We didn't have such success with it before and I think we've got the structure that supports them when they go up. I think that's a good idea. Could be some exposure there too, I bet. Yeah. Yeah. And we have a resident, I believe it's a resident, volunteer to water this summer? It's an artist who has a studio in 46 Berry Street and has been doing the landscaping of that building for the past year or more. So she's there on a practically daily basis and is willing to help with the new planting and regular watering. Is there hose available nearby? There is already a faucet on the front of the building that we use for the existing beds. I have a property we just put a timer on it. Put the hose up. Put a little leaking hose in the planting beds. And every morning for about 20 minutes it doesn't like watering. And I don't have to do a thing. It just doesn't like watering. Which is another option. You can do anything you like. If you've got somebody who's reliable to water, that's great. This is only adding 5 or 10% of the beds that are here. Because there's a sidewalk bed. There's a bed for building and there's two side beds. So it's got a lot. We're only adding 20 square feet to hundreds of square feet of that. So it's not pretty much. Does the others get water? Does somebody have to do that manually? Yeah. And time has been challenging to get consistent watering. But we have this new plan. And we're feeling quite optimistic about it. I don't know if those would work. Given the number of different beds. And walking through. And poses, you know, climbing. But it's worth taking a look at. It can be a little challenging. Excuse me for interrupting. The back door is locking from the outside. I got this from the police. Can somebody make sure the door is open? It's just locking. A wedge. It's on a timer. Okay. So I can keep it. I need an official wedge. Until I think at least six, then it's supposed to be programed. Okay. I'm sorry. It's been ready. So we have the options. Again, we just said a solar battery operated string lighting may be placed around the frame of the protocol. Is there anything else that you can think of that we need at the end? So it's going to be staying in the system. Yeah. It's pretty much a brick red. Or not brick red, a brownish red. It actually matches the building. So it'll stick out much. Then it's kind of a yellow-green. Well, that'll be new. So everything on the ground will be new. So I'll be doing new five-quarter pine seats. And then probably rough. I haven't actually... We can say that I'll repeat these as the color sheets. Yeah. Which is green. And kind of a dark burgundy. Yes. That's what it is now. It was yellow the first time. Okay. I'm taking it away. Okay. That's it. Dark colors hide the dirt. Which is in... Hard to avoid when you're right next to the street. Anything else? Anything you would like to add in while you're here? Okay. I'll go down through the criteria. The evaluation criteria. Number one, preservation of reconstruction of the appropriate historic style. The proposed project in the historic district involves an historic structure. I'll call that not applicable in this one. Harmony of exterior design with other properties in the district except for compatibility proposed exterior materials for the properties in the district acceptable. Compatibility proposed landscaping acceptable. Prevention of the use of incompatible designs, buildings, color schemes, or exterior materials acceptable. Location and appearance of all utilities acceptable. Recognition of and respect for view quarters and significant pistas including the use of the city and the state house acceptable. All in favor of the application is proposed. Thank you. Okay. Hang on just a second. They need to be saying this. I don't know what you're saying. Any chance that you could send us a little spec sheet on the lights that you want to use? Sure. Awesome. For the file. For the administrative permit. Awesome. I just clarified questions. So are we set administratively to move forward with the... So you don't have the permit yet? You need to get the lighting and then we'll issue the permit and it'll get sent to you. It's also just a call. It doesn't have to go on to develop? No. It doesn't have to go on to DRB. It's just an administrative permit out of the planning office. Yeah. We're hoping to have it installed by that June 4th date of that downtown. It usually takes a date or two. Awesome. Thank you. Okay. Thank you very much. The next application will support 12-hilt side evidence. We thank the House, Tom Taylor, Ian Ficky, Kuskowski. Go ahead. You can come forward and have a seat. Thank you. Oh, thank you. Yes. I'm sorry. No. That's okay. So, our House here on the whole side is really starting to need to be repainted. So, and right now, it's just sort of a kind of off-white. And so we selected this, you know, paint scheme based on some other houses that we've seen in Montpelier and Light. So the yellow will be the main house color. And what is the name of the yellow color? That is, sorry, banana. I see, for some reason here, it says, Hannah Banana. And then also, banana. I'm sorry, English for some reason. The English name is Hannah Banana. Sorry. The Latin name of the book. And then, in Spanish, it's banana. And then, it's pronounced. It's okay. English is fine. So those came out, this came out brighter and later than that one, than the actual painting. Yeah, so that's the reproduction of the chips. Yeah, and it's a copy of yours. Do you have extras of those chips? We have some in the file. Oh, okay, good. Yeah. It just didn't come out, for example, because I'm bringing the original. Oh, yeah, absolutely. That's actually a nicer base color. It's got more gold in it. Yeah, than what's showing here. Yeah. Yeah, we really like this one. I guess the trim color is rustle, green. And then this blue, I think would just be, it's called azurite, and it would just be for, I think, just a door. Okay. Spell then. A-Z-U-R-I-T-U. So that's just the front door, the back door? Yeah, the only other we were thinking about, we weren't quite sure. We were thinking about, on some of the trim, on the eaves, kind of sometimes, I mean, our house is very simple. There's not a lot of opportunity to do, like, you know, three different colors, but we did, we had, we maybe considered using the blue, the azurite, or, accent color. Yeah. So the door's an accent. Thank you. Yeah, we hadn't really, planned that part of it, but, so it may just be, the yellow. Spell then, H-A-N-N, H-A-N-N, H-A-N-N-A. It's Hannah with the H-N-N. H-A-N-N-N-A. I'm sorry, yet H-A-N-N-A. And the roof is green, right? Yeah, I'm sorry, actually, this photo is, the, yeah, you're right, it looks green in the photo, but the roof is actually, you know, this, standing seam, metal, but it's kind of that, it's like dark gray, that has a little bit of a brown in it. Wow, yeah, this didn't, probably, as well. Yeah, it's just a reflection of the song, of what it shows. Yeah, that's interesting how it works. It's more like, hearing the shade on the back. Yeah, that, that one definitely, looks good. Yeah, that's the, that one, the section that's in the shade, is, is pretty accurate. I assume you're going to, finish, patching this side in your hair? Yeah, absolutely, so that's, yeah, we definitely are going to do that, as part of the project, for sure. Yes, then these, these pieces of trim will come out, and we're just going to feather the, the side of the head, or anything like that. Um, we're definitely planning, I think we're going to, feather it and take those, yeah, those pieces that come down there, because that was really just kind of a, a patch that you, you can see kind of got left. Yeah. Yeah. And then the same way, this looks like it was a, making the, the, the heater back there. Exactly, yeah, that, that happened, um, that was, that was previous, we bought a house in 2012, um, but yeah, I think that's exactly what that was. Yeah. Yeah, this piece of facial, on the, on the right there, that, is that missing, not painted, or that, um, I believe, I don't know why I'm blanking, I believe that it's just not painted. I'm pretty sure, yeah, I'm pretty sure it's actually, and I'm not, and that also was, um, previous to us, purchasing the house, so I'm not sure why that, I guess it was, maybe they needed to, and for some reason, they never. They got it replaced because it was painted. Yeah. That's it back, but it's kind of a string, you know, it's up there, just below Cliff Street. Right. And it doesn't, it's kind of, you know, those, all those lots are kind of, those houses are perched, tiny, like hillside lots. So it, um, that's, we think of that as the back of the house, but, but that's this, that faces south. I don't know. So, I mean, that's the side of the house that actually faces the city, even though we kind of, um, the other, the entrance to the kitchen on the other side of the house, um, it's one of those houses that doesn't, I'm a front door. So the kitchen door is the main entrance. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Questions, comments, suggestions. Okay. We'll go through the evaluation criteria. We'll read through those. Preservation reconstruction of the appropriate historic style for proposed projects in the historic district and also in the historic structure. Acceptable. Permanent exterior design with the Permanent District. Acceptable. Compatibility for post exterior materials. Acceptable. Compatibility for post landscaping. Unproposed under simplification. Prevention of use of incompatible designs, buildings, color schemes, or exterior materials. Acceptable. Location of appearance of all utilities. No changing utilities proposed for this. I need some lighting changes or anything. I's, no, we're not planning to do anything like that. Recognition of and respect for view quarters and significant vistas, including gateway views of the city and the state house. I would just say applicable at this location. It's all your favor and application. It's just, it's just an administrative time. Thank you very much. So, and you were saying like with the early one that so we won't go on, won't be on the development review. No development. Not needed. Not needed. All right. Thank you. Good luck with the project. Thanks very much. Okay. Thank you. Next application is for seven main street from the local family. You have two new signs. Are you Martha? Yes. Okay. Just write your signs. I just wanted to melt it out door, out of the wall of the building. The first one is 5 long and 30 and just wide. And another one is 20 just wide and two feet long. I don't know, just that the colors on here are, I put it, I don't know, just that the colors on here are a fair bit brighter than the actual, we just could it's more of a, you know, more of a maroon, darker red and then the trim is more of a darker, okay. Perfect. Okay. Perfect. I think this is supposed to be Yeah, I don't know if the name is on this, right? I can follow, you can follow up with the sign to get the actual name of the colors they use. Sorry about that. I'll make sure that's done. The darker the color of the red, the more contrast you have in the more readable the sign is. So that color is great, even if you went slightly darker than that. Again, the darker, the more dark you make the background color and more of the lettering stands out just for the contrast. So this is this is definitely better. Yes. Also, the dark color is more compatible with the brick building as well, so that the darker you go, the nicer it looks. I might have to follow on that. I mean, I see you, this is the general location where you intend to put that? Yeah. And I assume that's where the six foot sign is going? Yes. I'm hoping you're going to put the center line on the sign directly above the center line that I will know. Yes. Yeah. There's room for that. Yes. It seems like there is between those utilities. Yeah, we measure first that space in order to see what we could do with that sign. Yeah. And does that 30 inches relate to anything in this sort of architectural detail here? Like that space there? Yeah. Most of the 30 inches are just for understanding where it makes sense to put the bottom of the sign in relationship to some of the architecture that exists in the building. Not the center line, the horizontal center line, not the vertical center line. I'm wondering what that has in line up in relationship to some of this this work that's going on. I'm not sure that's the sign or the floor and that's what they recommended. Yes. I think what they do is like they measure the sign there. They measure the space that's available. Yeah. And then simply put the sign in. Yeah. And we add to the recommendations is that any mechanical anchors for the sign are to be attached only in the border joints between the bricks. So they're not just in the border joints between the bricks because it's a historic building that you can try to save to the brick material. And that's pretty common. And that's pretty easy to do. 30 inch sign you've got basically seven courses of brick to work with. Yeah. There's already anchors in it for that 30 inch one. So if you already have anchors there that you can use what's existing that's a good start. Yes. That's how wide into long we use the system. Okay. Any other comments? Questions? Suggestions? No. Okay. Can I read down through the criteria again? Preservation reconstruction the perfect historic style of proposed projects and historic district and also historic structure. Acceptable harmony, exterior design with other properties and materials acceptable. Competibility proposed landscaping on 5.4 here. Prevention of the use of incompatible designs, buildings, color schemes for exterior materials acceptable. Location on appearance of all utilities. Is there any lighting for the signs? No and right. Okay. So none in this application. Recognition of in respect for view quarters of the state house. Acceptable. All in favor of the application as proposed based on that one just about my name there. Thank you very much and good luck with your next application for the team Main Street. Sam's Shipping. I'm not Sam. You're not Sam. So you must be Sam. I'm not Sam either. Sam I'm not Sam. Okay. So we're here for a couple things. A couple shifts there. One of the things that we looked at in the application was to perhaps also have that dump etc. But they were instead going to be a shared name so they're not going to be asking for that. I did hear the day from the owner that he is how I've been planning and working with our staff. So and then we're looking at in the rear of the building you wanted to provide three storage closets such that people had them allowed such storage they had a bicycle they could react and then part of the requirement for the building is we have three compressors that relate to the first forward condition. But this is the building here and behind the rivers sort of trash I guess there was that in our way and then we cleaned up the back a fair amount. This is gone? That's gone. It's now always like this. We also in the meeting was the cake workers from the division working to get tax credits and some of these were openings that were historic that put the case in around the building. So where are the windows that are clear? There was a door and window and they asked that we keep the case here. The one on the left with the original one. The others were later remodeled so it was obvious from the frame that we set up for AC and heat. This is for the lower level is just for AC. New apartments that we're doing above 3 in the market they go on the roof. These were required to be close proximity to that first floor and halfway. There had been one historic way that was like you can see it here that was on this short room part of a condenser with the apartment there outside looking at there the compressors more or less are kind of 3x3x3 cubes they vary a little bit in dimension depending on which one but they would be the three of them and they would be on the slide. One thing that I'm supposed to alert you to is that Valerais and Audra was indicating that perhaps by flood requirement we may need to raise these up. There was about six feet above grade to raise up. There was some concern for one the cost of doing it two they're going to be the top is going to be more than eight feet above and the surface is a little difficult. We would also be placing that next to our neighboring building in the neighborhood. We still need to work out what there's going to be what response there is or not and then if you have a sense or opinion as to this approach from a design standpoint and I must you may frankly you may over-prepare for instance even if they were to flood the cost of preparing them is less than half there was a question about well if these were above and were protected and we stood up here in the building while these don't provide either just I think they might be six feet up but the base would have to be six feet up as to where the design elevation would be about eight feet to the top sort of a concern. Nine on the large one and we just don't feel like it's that safe in terms of preventative maintenance guys going to come there and for OSHA ranks if you're above 60 you're going to tie off the harness nothing to tie to and it's just one dollar a lot or two because you thought it would be and what did that kind of same issues I guess and if the intent is to save money for a lot spending more for access maintenance and the construction and so there probably is no net savings other than maybe in for rule and that looks wise there's a four wide window on the back of that elevation for that one bedroom apartment that looks out to the river and we just didn't want to have that in someone's view and that's a lot of noise we put them on top of these this apartment which is a great space and I know that is not a piece of the pool that comes through you guys if it is then we have to go there but your storage closets are exempt from because they're not some sort of mechanical thing that is in the close way we have to provide an opening 60 square inches of opening which is basically going to be an undercut it's not much pretty much stuff that the flood water is going to run out so there's no way to show that but that shows the siding we called down the detail here it's a three quarter inch one easy three quarter inch middle undercut in order to get the square inches we need it okay and that will allow them to get run in and run out and the part to flood proof definitely sure but we also found that so that's that piece I don't even know if you want to discuss that and then talk about on here what would be the place anybody have any questions about the compressor so the storage room how long did the doors from the storage room I think there were about three feet two foot two foot they're a little bit less because we're three foot clear three in the middle yeah and we wanted to one this the compressors the door on the other side so it needs to be built like as if they look like they're attached to the building or are you going to be able where they are attached to they will be attached to okay so you want to have they could be removed a bullet so they could be really attached to this slab and then we work this out here and then we have a flash you know something about that so they'll appear whether but it could be there will be a little gap through the back if they don't push that against the side and then they'll say okay I guess we're good on those and do you have any samples of oh yes on the way we had this umbrella in our office so there is sort of precedent of we've striked on and cut open down the block this is a rendering that Stan said he's got a architectural working on my optometry after this but that was the his sense of what he was looking at that path there would be the center that would be there up here around and that would be also the signage from out of Crete this was sort of the framework of what that bureau would do the one on the far right in this image it's in snow but that one exists and is of the same color that we would be used so that would state and then the other two would be matching that these are the two new ones in this close up and in the little corner you see it yeah and here's this is a picture of the existing the one that remains and this is the period which not just as it was in part it was the same one so they'd be using that we did ask and it indicated that it would be in between from the sidewalk to the other side of the barrel I question about it I think that would be something that you could that's what I'm double-checking right now I can't remember this would be the first on-image sign that I've done in a year so now it's the you guys just theory right or no well I mean they would be signs but we would still have to check all the measurements and everything it's the sign regulation for a separate sign application but could you just hold it down for the first time and replace these windows picture windows and what to do there and you suggest doing two over two which are now in definitely look great there was some question whether these they're 50s and we had to keep them or not but luckily found a 1983 stamp in the glass the original building had a two over two group together like this together should be okay actually there's a picture in the 20s it shows smaller like smaller even earlier yeah but so I think we're okay in Caitlyn for view no it really matches the ones well it's for me that case was kind of like scratching my part haha haha I see really outside of your application but from a roof of the river building is there like a glass atrium yeah there's a central poor area there well it's bigger than we had it is is it covered or just open you know I'm not sure I'm not seeing it from the inside you see facade around it where are the doors to be in in the front I'm a little confused in this picture it will be it's on either side will you go in a center space you'll go in it's going to be a waiting area but the entrance will be the one on the right okay and the existing door more or less will be remain and we're going to continue sort of that the profile actually where there's a panel a glass above is what that's happening below that which is presented in your first round okay and you don't think I was thinking about it and yeah we will need a complete sign application downstairs but it should be on depends on what they decide because what we'll be what we'll be dealing with downstairs is the actual measurements meeting the requirements meeting the requirements for the wall signs to make sure there's and that building can and I I was all on the glass yeah I was all on the glass I don't think there will be any since it's just the awning yeah the awning council's the wall sign so you should be fine so we prove it as a it's a building element I think you have to do both because to do the rest of the awnings so let me get I think I probably have a separate sign that for the recommendation here somewhere if I don't I can write a notification brand account can we do that as a approval or as a as a formal recommendation I think you can still do it as a recommendation form and then you know we'll still have to get the application even though it's not the one for this meeting that's something that you know it's part of the awning that they're approving that's a an awning yeah I think I think you might have to come back to that element for the sign element thank you sorry so you didn't throw that in maybe come back it looks like you it'll sell through yeah so that's that and then I guess a question for you Marit my understanding is that the compressors and the concrete slab it's approved here but then it's an administrator site one that's my understanding as well that plus the flood you know this is what I'd like I mean frankly they were hoping for last week whether we can get administrative for the slab and then who knows what we have to do with the units even if we have to raise it I like you said I think that's confirming with Audra I have no problem with it zoning wise it's as long as Audra's cool with the slab being approved there's not some requirement yet I used to be a practicing attorney I'm not going to say yes and then have you're telling no there was a question of whether we might instead have to build a basement and raise the buildings yeah I I I at this point I have been kept out of the floodplain I don't have any other courses on that they keep me in zoning that'll be that'll be a question I can use to the slab and resolve the other after I mean that's a very good question these guys can move forward okay and if that's a good thing to ask Audra about tomorrow when she's got this approval I don't think you're excited about providing three recovery units which will be I think there's a huge demand for them and they'll have each have one in a bike how large are the units there's one two better and one very nice how many do you think it's a good one there's one person possibly interested in what what's the market rate on the the units I guess he's trying to figure that out he's trying to figure that out so it's a space out back and all right based on what was there it's called water it's a pretty tired it's a total cut basically the more we get into this building where are the apartments way back the offices were recently and then emptied for a long time used to be there where there was a gate filled with shooting rubber bands on the secretary's so we have the approval for the compressors in the back as well as the storage units and then I said the additional proposal for retractable on the building which match an existing awning of the northern most portion of the facade are acceptable as well as the heft bell awning over the entry comments, questions, suggestions anything else you want to throw in other than the sign any lighting lighting any lighting changes or no house inside in the back for the storage units there's no additional lighting I haven't been blind at the moment I think there's a lot of lighting I don't think so I don't understand how they're in the storage I mean if they should put the side through actually there's enough lighting from the area generally enough to be able to just see the lock if you have a light inside to start shed moving just on that side door out I would also I would imagine could we generically put in I can see maybe something here which wouldn't bother anybody out but would then provide light to those okay like here which would provide this way because again it wouldn't be there or anyone you could put it on a motion detector so anybody who walks back there that might come saw and they can see to not be there can we add that yes I can get you a cushion make sure it says how many they are they are I mean they've been there just like that I have pictures of Mr. Alvarez first as a young man with his father and then as an older man with his mother and yes they were identical I think if you go way back to the most original building there were some more divisions but this piece has definitely been there over years as you see the stories of the family are a way ahead of us well I remember the 70's I guess it was made made of chocolate it's a picture shop it puts me at that speed for pies oh yes and I've just said a added a motion detection light fixture maybe added at the rear of the building to illuminate the access doors of the storage any clarification or additional details anything and that is a back door that will serve staff to go into their back area and then one right where we just talked about is that one? yeah so there's one here as well one here for this entrance yes and then it's already there there's one there to the right of both of those doors that's what can I go over there I'm just sure we'll be doing a new picture right there it's shown because it's you know on a dark winter night they come out to stop the wall pack so that looking at it from here there's one here and there's one right there right there so there's one right there one there but this would not illuminate doors there are these existing or are they new ones? they're new motion detector or just I mean if somebody's coming in the back you can't coming from the back you wouldn't want a motion detector because there's no way to turn it on otherwise right? yeah unless there was light just always on but the motion would make sense okay so I'll just scratch out A motion and just put motion detector like fixtures may be edited the rear of the building will illuminate the access towards the storage and to improve the location and the permit next thank you we'll start two okay so now we got three three okay anything else? this guy? it's all the only details this is a photograph of thank you and you want to press the papers? no original logic was someone that had door and put up I think it was we had the clothing store there two tenants and then the other more recent two tenants changed their colors anything else? otherwise we'll go through the criteria if you think of anything else before we could bring it up I appreciate it preservation of reconstruction of the appropriate historic style of the proposed projects in the historic district and also historic structure and acceptable harmony of exterior design with other properties compatibility of proposed exterior materials acceptable compatibility of proposed landscaping nonproposed of this application prevention of the use of incompatible designs buildings color schemes or exterior materials acceptable location of appearance of all utilities acceptable if you could get a cut sheet of some kind just to bring in for the white seven it would be helpful just to add to the application recognition of starters and significant pistas including gay reviews of the city and state house acceptable all in favor of the application with the two amendments raise your hand I don't think I should vote yeah will you hear from the start of this one start it's okay as you want to hear pardon me no I know it is not it's because I wasn't here from the beginning it's not exactly what you're talking about when you get the you can cover the gist of it all the time during the time you were here so I could just vote whatever you're talking about do you want to sign that about my name on the left on the left side you don't want a paper bag with your groceries in you're going to get a I've got this stuff from them years ago it was written on the side of the bag yeah exactly you know you said that's two dollars that's four that's six and a half a bag that's it I knew not yeah interesting story about a lot of lower cost meat but the treatments that you gave people they can people think it was something there in the Special We also provided evidently when Wrightsville Dam was built for use making years. Can I help? Thank you. I expect to see you more often. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good luck with your multiple projects on that property. Thank you. Good luck with your? Almost done. Yeah, I have sent an appeal to John Kearney and his question was before I did do a writing where she felt that this should be approved in 2017 by everybody including our services. Well, I'm not just talking to you not recognizing it because it wouldn't actually change the listing. It would just not give the tax credit. Which is huge. It's a maker break. Which is effectively delisting it. Particularly once they had approvals, they would have gone ahead and made decisions and done things like saving that one whole scientific wall which was historic. It was failing. I thought it was to take it off. But it was an historic element that was defied. So hopefully it will see the importance. Yeah, it says art is the only tool that is tool boxed. Historic tax credit. You're basically punishing somebody to stay downtown or the court downtown. You can't create apartment for your houses. You need to chop the front rather than stretch it out over 40 years. And restore and start building all in the same court. Thank you. We're going to be cheaper. We're going to tear that ward to go build it on the court. And the similar thing with Mr. Sand was the first guy to say he didn't want it. I think that meeting why he didn't like it. Well good luck. Thank you all. Eric and the crew were our supporters. The experts. Advice. Thank you. So we have two sets of penits. We have six. We have four. And three of us have three. Steve, Mark and Ben. Anything that needs to be amended in the minutes that you can see. Let's get moving. Question on that. Minutes from the six, needs six on Langdon Street Courage. Actually that's just what we passed out. Let's do one at a time. Because there are different groups of us. Yeah, that makes sense. Mark or Ben, do you have any changes to your motion to approve those minutes? I'm moved to approve. I'll in favor, raise your hand. Those minutes are approved for April 15th. And now may six. I think it's the third step for in the first paragraph there it says during all other times the lights will slowly fade between self-colors. Not sure if I quite understand that statement. I was trying to describe in a brief way because it wasn't going to be like multiple different colors. If somebody has another way of describing how it was going to fade between colors. So what are the colors? I think it's a choice. We can choose whichever colors. But it will be solid. Solid across the whole panel. I see. Okay. I haven't heard anything about a demonstration. Does anybody? No, I haven't. That was my next question. I thought we were going to have a demo of So did I. So I'm going to need to follow up with them. And I thought that was a contingency. It was I thought it was a request. And you wrote it on there as a commission. Okay. I'd have to go back and look. I just said it just says I'd like to see a strip installed to see what it looks like from State Street. I don't think you put it on there as a condition on the form. We just wanted to see it. I'll follow up with Ward. She got, because I know she had to try and get the materials. And then it was four colors for the panels. Four different colors of white for the panels. White transparent. Do you want me to actually write in here what the four color options were? You can amend the minutes to do that. You can amend that. It was white. To You wrote that on the recommendation. Two lighter shades of white to clear. And with that change do I hear a motion to approve those minutes or is there anything else that needs to be changed. I'm sorry. I'll move to approve. All in favor. Raise your hand. So the minutes for my six were approved. Anything else? Do I hear a motion to adjourn? So moved. Second. All in favor of adjournment raise your hand. Meeting is adjourned. Thank you. Thank you.