 Before Polygon also I was in blockchain space for last I think two years before that also and I was doing a lot of technical development and you know product development for but for other people. I had not like fully started my own because I wanted to be very you know hands deep into that. I was very active in the you know the overall blockchain community in India also and there I met my other co-founder Jenti also wherein you know we were clearly seeing that Ethereum you know although is a fabulous and fantastic invention but you know it is not going to be able to have larger number of user base right. So that's because you know it's inherently it's very decentralized but it's bandwidth is very low and it was very clear in our minds that you know sooner or later the future will move into something like that and that's why it made sense to you know do Polygon. I don't think that government is anti-blockchain but government is anti-crypto. I am not sure that the government body still understand blockchains enough that you know without this crypto economic security which means without this crypto angle into this the blockchains you know as of now in current state do not exist. That's one important thing to understand like you know I mean this narrative was prevalent in 2015-16 maybe up to 2018 where you know players like IBM Hyperledger and all that like their goal was that private blockchains that blockchains can be private also but then in the last 4-5 years like the markets have summarily discarded that private blockchain product because it's kind of an oxymoron calling a private and a blockchain like those things together cannot exist. I think Indian government and worldwide governments also slowly will reach the point where they realize that okay either we are fully anti-blockchain and anti-crypto or we have to accept last time in 2017 when it happened it was you know it was catastrophic it was scary because everybody thought that you know whether this industry or this whole segment exists or not like is it was it some sort of tulip mania or something like that with there is no product market fit or anything but now you know 2020-21-22 we have seen massive product market fits gaming is a big and big part NFT is arts and this segment is a very big segment DeFi is a very very big segment and you know it is actually getting stress tested I think like now the industry has very strong product markets and it's not going anywhere it's now one of the premier industries in the world. There are three different things like there is a country state and nation right a country is the physical boundary right for this thing state is the you know the kind of governance you have in a particular place you know and then where is communist or capitalist whatever or democracy and you know those kind of distinctions but the third one is the nation right the nation is basically a feeling right so India basically or Bharat that that is actually a feeling right so that never never goes away from any of us Indians right wherever we are so my personal goal for India is has been like you know I mean I've said it multiple times and I am very happy that you know we have been able to play such a pivotal role in that that there is I feel that there is no way that India should not be a superpower in web three India has the capability to become the digital goods factory for the globe right my personal goal for India is that you know India to become the web three superpower and you know these temporary noise around regulations and all that doesn't deter that like I keep working for that so I know that the brain brain is very crazy and all that like but but that's like the only way for some of these you know upcoming startups to survive for now we are doing efforts on all the funds where you know this education because one thing also web three does is that it has kind of normalized the salaries for Indian developers right you know previously a five year six year experience guy he would get like 30 35 lakh rupees salary which is $50,000 and in San Francisco a college fresh pass out pass out will get like 150k right but here with crypto like those salaries have increased a lot and I think that will actually that is the that is a good way to bring a lot of money into India where Indian you know developers who are very good developers they get larger share of the of the prior larger amount of salaries for them that's one of the reasons why we push keep pushing on this education front that can we create let's say 100,000 smart contract for blockchain developers from India that will bring in a huge amount of money into India in terms of their you know salaries and all that create like the kind of gift cities we have created right create a offshore onshore at the gift city that they want to create in Gujarat I would say create a gift city in in Goa or Vishakha Patnam near the beach and all that and where you have like one small area not a very big area but and the way we had like special economic zones we should have special crypto zones and within that you can find all the activity but at least keep the talent in India because I can tell you 90% of all the people I know like you know I mean who have moved out of India or this they don't want to you know be out of India to be honest like even I would be much you know why would I leave my home right so I think like every entrepreneur like a lot of large number of those entrepreneurs want to stay in India want to build from India and all that but the government needs to provide them that you know at least a virtual city or cover which they get let's say in some somewhere like Dubai and all that like build a sandbox you know we don't need much for it build a sandbox few buildings few like small area in in in some city and then say that okay this is a special crypto zone any company registered here is like you know with the 10 year this thing whatever sunset clause or whatever is like a fully you know company and we'll slowly bring in those regulations and everything that we want to do. One part of crypto is that you can actually raise money from outside much easier compared to you know web 2 startup like most of the crypto companies they have offshore entities as the issuers right token issuers and things like that so the global investors can pay you know directly to their offshore entities they don't even need direct investment into India only I am a de facto investor in all these startups that like if you speak to 10 20 it's week to 10 20 Indian startups you will find that you know I am already like always like I never even look at that investment it's basically my way of giving back to India whatever that happens if some of them become big I recover my basic principle out I'm happy but yeah like but me being there I think they are able to take that okay we we have this and then they can go to the VCs and raise further funds so I am more than happy to do for all the Indian startups. Message is very clear that don't get deterred by the regulations find a way find a way to keep building keep building whether it's in India outside of India keep building the products because you know like this this next this this era is is going to be ours fight fight it out and whether it's India whether it's outside you know you will get capital we help them to get capital there have been a lot of like ecosystem funds and all that we have you know kind of created sort of like created those relationships where anybody comes to us if they are a good team we refer them to that you know please see them and all that so they get funding and all that out of 300 working days that you have because you would have 300 working days you know because you have to work extra like six days at least but out of those 300 days is 30 days 20 30 days are the days which are good days less 270 days you are you are scared always like you know what's going to happen is this really going to work out this that you're always self-doubting you know that but those 30 days are good and out of that like five days are really good which keeps you keep you going so if you're an entrepreneur and if you keep working keep working keep working you you reach a point where that magic point happens and those five days come to you or those 20 30 days come to you so as an entrepreneur whenever that is happening you know you just need to just need to know that you know you are progressing marching towards that magic time and then that will come that will come there will be less but that will come and will be very satisfying so keep working don't don't give and give hope give up hope and that is is my learning outside sapiens sapiens from yo al harari i am actually not that big of a gamer i only play like pipa ethereum then i'd be doing some other product in crypt only but i would i would not go anywhere i would just whatever like i am here for life now be bliss