 Okay, well, it is it is the top of the hour and folks are just now getting on the call So let's go ahead and get started and then as folks get on will will make introductions and Kick things off But as we always do for for our hyperlature healthcare sick meetings It just reminded that this record this meeting is being recorded And that this is an open source open community meeting And so I also want to make sure that everyone knows about our antitrust so for those of you that are in front of a Laptop or desktop. I'm posting our antitrust policy notice. So please read through that The upshot of that is be a good person And if you want to read any more details feel free to go to the URL that's listed there for details on our antitrust policy So good morning to Wendy on the call, how are you? Good morning, everyone. Happy Friday. Happy Friday. Yes As always we always like to have an opportunity for folks to to introduce themselves and and say hello So I will hand it over to our one of our newer Members that's joining us calling from I think it was San Francisco. Do you want to make introduction? Yeah, everybody. My name is Anthony. So I'm calling from San Francisco I do apologize for the road noises. There's any in the background. It's really want to make the meeting. I Just want to say I'm excited to join the meeting and it's a little bit about me. I've a Practitioning pharmacist for the last seven years for Kaiser Permanente Which is some of you may know it's one of the largest Upcare provider in the States I've also been always Building a web and mobile technologies engineering wise myself and I'm very curious and interested in solving problems using hyper ledger and I'm working on a project to Hopefully use the technology in the electronic description space. Oh Very cool. And you said you're everybody you said you're down in the Bay Area Yeah, that's correct. I'm down in the Bay Area Excellent and yeah, I think most of us probably are familiar with Kaiser Permanente and in fact we have I Know we have at least Wendy. Are you a farm D? Sorry, I was muted. No, I'm not a farm D. I'm a PhD. Okay. I'm trying to think what I think your colleague is a farm D Is that yes, Eric a beer bower is a farm D. She's not on the call right now though Okay. Yeah, yeah for some reason I was thinking of of you Wendy and I was thinking it was either you or Erica So and I believe on the last call we had Kent Lau from Hong Kong who also is a farm B If I'm remembering correctly, so we do have a pretty good representation representation of Farm D folks and and Anthony to your point regarding cell sovereign identity great to have you thinking about that most folks as they get involved in in Black chain technologies tend to go the route of the distributed ledger or DLT technology And this is it's really great to see that folks are starting to pay a little bit more attention Perhaps to SSI or soul sovereign identity or identity management or distributed identity And and if you're looking at the hyper ledger framework that would include hyper ledger indie Which is a contribution by a sovereign foundation and ever no So yeah, so great to have you on the call Anthony Feel free to sort of head over to the rocket chat channel for a health care SIG Introduce yourself there as well and then that way be it'll be easier for Folks that want to get to know you better to connect with you more directly rather than Obviously through through through a phone call because that's all we see about you right now But great to have you on the call Anthony Okay, it seems like we have an awful light crew this morning. It could be the nice weather. It could just be Friday But I do see some some familiar folks on the call. So great. Good. Good morning to you Alex From the Ukraine if I recall Yes How are you doing? Fine sense Great to have you on the call and then for folks that may see Alex's name is familiar Alex is Up on the github. I'm sorry on the hyper ledger labs project on github Alex runs the the health health care sawtooth project And and is developing that out and Alex. Did you say you're also working with Kent Lau? Can you please repeat Richard? Oh, I'm sorry When went last time you presented Where you are with your project, I seem to recall that you had someone that was interested in maybe following up with you And I thought it was Yeah, go ahead. Yes Work Kent and I work together on this project. So he like provide some suggestions on hypothesis and I Make updates to the project and We Working on it Okay, well good to hear excellent. Good. Good. Good. Yes. Yeah, so Quite a good In a few weeks, maybe I will be ready to provide you some update on this project. Oh good. All right. Well sounds great Thank you for that Okay, is there anyone else on the call that would like that's that's new on the call would like to introduce yourself Hey, it's a Raj Revuru. I'm just new to this call. Oh, good morning, Raj. Great to have you Hey, morning. I'm based out of New York. Christy region. This is my first time joining this call Excellent Great to have you So you're out on the East Coast and tell us a little bit about your interests about with blockchain technologies and specifically in the health care space So it's just a personal interest. I work for a company called Presidio. They're in a different space We're looking into emerging technologies and one of the technology which is on our key focuses the blockchain and we do Work with the health care providers in the New York, New York, New York, New Jersey region on a different capacity with the different service solutions So they just wanted to know what's What's going on in the health care in the blockchain to see if we can help the customers and that kind of stuff Excellent. Very good. And what's the name of the company again? Presidio We are we are a network and the ID hard like in a VMware Cisco partner. Oh Very cool. So are you a consulting group then? Is that the idea? Yeah, so yeah, we are a consulting group for our health care customers, correct? Excellent, excellent. And and what about your your personal Interest or background? Are you an engineer or marketing? No, no, I'm an engineer. So what we've been doing with for health care was we do a unified communications just like you know the integration of the phone system with their ERPC, you know You know pager systems so overhead paging and then we do a lot of video conferencing Especially on the health care vertical So on and so forth Excellent. Well, great to have you on the call. Welcome as always if if you're interested And sort of talking a little bit more or getting You or your company's name out To membership here. We keep a membership directory and I'll click over to it just now And feel free to to jump on and add your name to this This is a great opportunity to just sort of network with others that have similar interests Within the organization here And yeah, great to have you on the call and as always welcome. Thank you Alrighty. Is there anyone else? Uh, I think everybody else we know. Oh, and I just saw Dennis get on the call. So good morning to Dennis Uh calling from Switzerland How are you Dennis? Hey, how are you doing? I guess I just managed to connect So for being late. Yeah It's okay. It's technology, you know, it's the hardest stuff All right. Hi Dennis Hey, how are you doing? I'm good. Good to see you on the call Yeah, great great meeting you guys again And I am I'm not in Switzerland. I'm just on the shore in Turkey from sailing just came from sailing Oh ain't life that tough Exactly sorry to make it make yeah, sorry to to make the the wrong assumption that you're in Switzerland But instead you're in Turkey. So Coming coming off a sailboat life is rough. Yes, exactly Okay. Well, uh, great to have you on the call Dennis. Uh, and in fact, uh, I'll be I'll be coming back around to you Just shortly to have you give us your update on on the patient subgroup Um, so let's see So let's walk through community announcements Is anyone on the call interested in making a community announcement? Anything that's related to blockchain technologies in the healthcare space or just general healthcare announcements that may have some impact on blockchain Hello, this is this is wendy and I just wanted to remind everyone about some fantastic upcoming conferences that they might be interested in So on october 3rd and 4th, um, there is the global blockchain summit in Denver, colorado and I will be speaking with an attorney Mike henson about Regulatory considerations and blockchain. So we certainly welcome everyone to come And also on october 15 is converge to accelerate And I will be speaking on a panel For that conference and I just it will be a different focus mostly healthcare focus and just really encourage everyone to come Excellent, uh, thanks for that wendy and uh, yeah, and actually we're hoping to have tori Come and speak here, uh to membership, uh in the next few weeks or so. So that'll be great to have her Oh, yes Fantastic. I spoke with her on the phone two days ago And she is just a wealth of knowledge and enthusiasm for helping advance the blockchain community. So and really yeah, and and as well tori is the uh, the publisher founder for, uh, blockchain in healthcare today Which is a great resource and so hopefully what we'll be doing. Uh, what she and I talked about, uh, actually was earlier this week I think on monday What we talked about is just finding a way for This organization hyper ledger to work closer Uh with tori and her Her publication, uh, so that we can sort of really Really find ways to merge our sort of resources into sort of a greater more comprehensive resource Because a lot of what we do is complementary to what she offers and vice versa. So and she's a great person So happy to happy to find that uh fit going forward So, uh, so thank you for that wendy Alrighty any anyone else community announcements already Let's head over to uh A subgroup update and for those of you that are new around the call The way this special interest group is is organized is we have Our general meetings here, which is really kind of a clearing house and sort of an update Sort of a broad understanding of what's going on in the special interest group as well for for uh for specific sort of Kind of where boots on the ground or where the rubber meets the road This is where the actual work gets done through our specific subgroups and ad hoc teams We currently have three subgroups, uh that focus around very specific areas in the healthcare space And then we have some ad hoc teams that that generally will spin up and focus around a topic Sometimes those grow into subgroups and And sometimes they're very specific and we spin them up and that's been it's been back down again So we'll take a look at subgroups. We have three subgroups patient member subgroup Payor subgroup in the healthcare interoperability subgroup Dennis is on the call this morning. So Dennis you want to tell us a little bit about what's been going on in the In the patient member subgroup Yes, I just tried to unmute We had last week a great meeting together after we finished the clinical trial process definition together with patty Thanks again very much patty. It was a great work together with you and we discussed about existing process definition and the possible implement implementation with hyper leisure tools in blockchain And we found out the patient Consent reconsent is one of the most Repeating process And we decided to focus on that and we decided also work together Outside of the meetings patient subgroup meetings patient data subgroup meetings And today tonight we start with the first one So, uh, I'm very happy to be involved in that In that in that Work together because we have been already discussing about different architectures And it looks very promising for all of us to to go ahead I see that patty is also on the call patty. Would you also like to get from your site? Hi Dennis. Um, yeah, I joined a little bit late. Hello everybody Um, I I all I can say is that I'm really enjoying this new project that we're working together Um, I think it's um, we all found in the last meeting We had even some new people joining. We even had someone in an airplane That was taking off and speaking Wow And telling us that he was very interested in um, what we're working on basically uh, focus on clinical trials and Specifically patient recruitment He was michael dillon, uh, he is from switzerland from a very special, uh, organization from a Health bank Patient data is collected by a cooperative People patients are coming to that Organization and they have different benefits and the whole project is running on the uh on a blockchain So it's also another Perspective to instead of having the consent from the patient They collected From the patient participation on their, uh system So, uh, and I suppose he's going to also support us and Work together in the next meetings Oh, that's interesting. I didn't I didn't know that about um, so we also have a someone from the health bank and you mean, um, the health bank is that um, uh for-profit or or non-profit organization and you say they're using the blockchain Do you have more information with that dennis? I since this is the healthcare group. I'm just curious We're sure, uh, it's Basically tokenization and that's why they use a terium But I don't have more detailed information about their, uh, precisely architecture Uh, the thing is, uh, they have, uh, roughly 250 000 patients involving in the project And the the idea is instead of collecting the consent and the data from the patient They invite and uh off the different benefits Uh to the patient In order to uh have their total consent from the start And this is the this is kind of a bypass what we are trying to do On the other side, uh, it's also an interesting idea. I found that from the start Very, uh, exciting what they are doing and I invited him to join our group And uh, I actually invited him to present about the health bank And he didn't have time Last time and I hope uh next time he can also able to present more about his project and about organization So this this is very interesting Dennis. Uh, I'm just up on the screen I have the the health bank website up and I'm just looking at the FAQ and uh, it's interesting It looks like they're they're looking for patients to aggregate their data share basically share their data and aggregate their data Through through health bank Um, can you tell I don't know if you know the answer to this Can you tell us a little bit about how this mechanism works in switzerland? Or is this a european approach? It almost looks like it maybe Has influence with germany as well. And so how does this work? in in europe Um in europe as you know, the basic motivation is the gdps And based on that the patient data regulations in different countries Switzerland is not the best example for the integration So collecting the data, uh individually and from different providers. It's a tough matter That's why health bank is is a possible solution to bypass it and Invite the patients instead of collecting their data from different providers and uh That's that's the basic idea And if you come and join to health bank, you give your consent for your data And they anonymize your data and uh, they can also offer that for different project outside outside outside of the company outside of outside of the organization and This is They what they're all offering the the the tradeoff is they also offer different benefits to the patients But I don't know exactly for which kind of patients which benefits That's why I want to have him in our group to present it And I hope in the next days, uh, we can manage it to to to have him to to know more about it Very interesting. Okay. Well, well, thank you for that, uh, Dennis Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how How the work that you guys are doing with health bank sort of rolls into the work through the subgroup Uh, and I think you had mentioned that health bank is currently using ethereum. Is that correct? Yeah As far as design. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Oh, great. Excellent. Well, uh, thanks so much for the update, Dennis It sounds like uh, the subgroup is moving along and I'm happy to hear about that Uh, and then for anyone that's new on the call, uh, feel free to contact Dennis directly And again, you can use, uh, rocket chat, uh, our healthcare channel, uh, over there And, uh, and of course use our listserv and so, you know, you can send out an email directly to membership that way as well Excellent. Thank you, Dennis All right, so for our next two and I'm looking at, uh, on our list of participants for the morning for the next two, uh It does not look like ravish is, uh, on the call for there's payer subgroup For people that are new on the call The payer subgroup is, uh, it's probably one of our longer, uh, running, uh, subgroups probably in line with payer with patient as well So so the payer subgroup focuses on of course the payer side of the equation When we think about, uh, healthcare space we think about three three components Patient, payer, and provider Now ravish has been working with the payer side of the equation um, and so, uh, I honestly, uh, I since, uh, I didn't, I haven't gotten an update from ravish, uh, They meet every two weeks and I just don't know what they've been up to over the past, uh, past couple of weeks So I'll have to follow up with him and and update. I'll update the wiki here with update from him on that Uh, as well for the healthcare interoperability subgroup, uh, steven elliott has been working to this is our newest subgroup Uh, the purpose of this subgroup is to develop, uh, a really sort of a bottom-up approach Uh, develop some services on top of hyperledger fabric so that, uh, it'll make interoperability Uh, between healthcare systems easier to use Uh, steven, uh, has been working, uh, on a, uh, federal grant proposal for the past month or so and I know he's been heads down on that Um, uh, but we're excited that that subgroup, uh, the healthcare interoperability subgroup, uh, continues to move forward And I suspect steven will be on a call next Next meeting to give us an update on what's going on there Um, let's see for our ad hoc teams update, uh, as always We have a wiki redesign team, uh And, uh, and that is something that we are always sort of really mindful of and and really The wiki for a lot of folks, uh, particularly newer folks, uh that come to this organization. Uh, this is sort of your first hand Look at things Uh, if anyone on the call happens to be an expert with uh, with confluence That's the tool that we use here. Uh, it'd be great to to have you Help us out in, uh, redesigning, uh, or updating, uh, this, uh, the wiki My personal interest, uh, is that, uh, beyond just the healthcare special interest group I'm really sensitive to any new member coming through the sort of the front door of hyperledger.org Hyperledger, of course, is part of the linux foundation It's open source open community, uh, which really means that anyone can can get involved in the organization At any level So my my personal interest is finding a great design For our, uh wikis that really Works across multiple special interest groups So clearly the healthcare sig is my number one interest But I really am looking for a solution that works across multiple sigs So that members can move back and forth between the speserance's group as they see fit So that's sort of our work effort there and I and this is sort of an ongoing thing And we're always looking for folks that are interested in Donating their time, uh, and helping to develop through, uh, through the use of confluence So if you have an interest in that, uh, and you just have an expertise in design, uh, feel free to contact me And I'll I'll find a way to to make make your, uh, make your work valuable Okay, uh, we also have an academic research team that's headed up by adrian burg That's sort of gone sideways. Uh, I know adrian has been out On a I think it was leave of absence or academically So, uh, the gist of the academic research team has been to really drive academic interests In the blockchain in healthcare space As most of us know healthcare is driven. Uh, it's pretty significantly by academic process and that really is peer reviewed Uh, white papers and a very objective understanding of making use of newer technologies So this research team is really invested in looking into ways to make that Sort of validate that process interestingly this research team will probably be greatly influenced by The work that's happening over on the blockchain, uh, in in healthcare today Group and that's tori's group that uh, when and I were talking about earlier So it may be that this is the interface that we make use of going forward for that And as I said, we'll have a tori joining us sometime in the very near future To talk a little bit more about her experiences in the academic space and so There's there's real potential for for growing this this research team out And then uh, we uh, sort of related to that because there's a lot of academia sort of rolled in this as well as And and uh, wendy charles our lead, uh, is is Outstanding in this space. Uh, we have our use case development team that wendy is leading and wendy Do you want to give us an update on that? Uh, huh. Yeah. Well, um yesterday I was supposed to be having a teleconference with two members of philinex foundation about how to create The use cases that would meet their um Requirements, uh for how to best fit into the structure that they require and Anything that involves hyper ledger has to also comply with the brand and then they canceled the call So they did provide a little bit wording structure and they Did uh, they're going to provide some templates hopefully in the next couple days So for those of you who are on the use case Um working group I am really hoping to get templates to you so that we can start filling them in But at least we'll be confident that if we use if we work with the linux foundation that they will really help us to promote these And to support them In any hyper ledger linux foundation space Yeah, and uh, and I've been sort of following that thread wendy. Uh, yeah, it is a little disheartening to know that uh The call kind of got canceled last minute, which is unfortunate Uh, but I think the approach that that you're taking with this team is is spot on Uh, the the idea being for those of you that are sort of new to the to the the SIG here Uh, really one of the there were two big things that sort of came out of those this uh last year's hym's conference One was that the the the real Real serious desire for uh us publishing use cases And the other really is understanding sort of the governance model surrounding blockchain implementation in existing uh architecture Uh, and so with with use cases, you know, the approach that wendy's taking is to really look at a process here So that we can be very consistent in developing the use cases and be uh very sort of clean in those designs So they'll be very easy to be sort of understood and picked up by uh by members that are uh outside maybe of the community They're just getting started with understanding blockchain technologies And uh, and this is really an aid in learning and sort of understanding in context How to make use of blockchain technologies within the healthcare space Uh, and so uh, yeah, so anyone who's on the call that's interested, uh, you know, feel free to contact wendy regarding this I think this is going to be a pretty significant team moving forward Just because there's there's so much ongoing demand For this kind of information and I had mentioned earlier that this is sort of uh very closely sort of Tighten or bust risk with a lot of the academic research that's going on in this space This is in a way to sort of formalize that process to to really drive an understanding of of how we use blockchain technologies effectively Uh, and and maybe even objectively uh in the healthcare space So, thank you. Thank you And I just wanted to emphasize that if we design these right from the beginning that the linux foundation will Will be a huge partner in advocate in getting the word out and helping us promote these as a way to better use blockchain and healthcare Yeah, I agree and one of the problems that we've had in the past We've we've you know, we've attempted to do this and it was sort of just I mean it was well intentioned, but it was just a very piecemeal and what happens is You know, some someone will will define a use case But the context of that is is slightly different than someone else and the format may be different than someone else And so you end up with a really difficult Sort of experience experience in walking these use cases. So formalizing the process I think is is absolutely the right way to go And if as you point out if done right, this is going to be a great Sort of a jewel in the in the crown for for the work that we do here because so much of this is going to be exposed To new people in the community Particularly in the healthcare community that are just trying to understand how to make use of make the best use of blockchain technology Sort of a best practices approach Well, thank you for that wendy Alrighty any other comments or thoughts on that on that point or regarding our ad hoc teams? Alrighty question. Um, so this use case is, uh, how do they map out with the subgroups? Do they Do them like say if you take a peer subgroup, right? Would you have a use cases in that subgroup or how does is there any correlation between them or is it Entirely independent Yeah, so that's a great. That's a great question. Raj. So so right now we're not really focusing on Uh, sort of tying these to to the individual subgroups However, that that may be an opportunity For us to sort of pursue that going forward But I you know, I'll let wendy talk more on this topic But at at the moment we're really looking at some some just fundamental use cases And then we're going to develop the process behind that and then sort of Run run the run the activity out from there, but when you go ahead. Yeah, that's spot on rich. So Um, I am grateful to the the working group members who have uh committed some time. Um Of course patty. Um, thank you for your participation ray chan Erica beerbrower and rich Uh, we determined that some of the use cases that are gaining the most traction in the community and are most ready to be um What's the right word implemented uh would be drug supply chain processing medical records with the consent access process and thank you patty for Your interest in that For demonstrating credentialing and also insurance payers so if they overlap with a with a Current working group that's awesome because we would want to Involve those members with their expertise in helping inform The community about how these can be best implemented. Otherwise, we'll just extend to the larger community hyperledger healthcare special interest group community to see Which members could share share some of their expertise Wendy, um, um, I I actually just remember that I had a question for you Yeah So since you mentioned my name and that's when I pay attention because I was actually reading here I'm so really about health and sorry for that. What's it asking? um You when we met um, I after that I I I think I didn't make notes and I Was looking through my emails and I'm not sure if we agreed That each was going to work on something or look at some kind of like action items I don't know if you have that anywhere and because your project is Uh, is it, uh, I don't know if it has its own wiki page Maybe so I often look for that No, yeah Could tell us if there's like anything that we need to do I I saw your email and I think you will you're you're talking with the hyperledger community to get help with them So I saw that email but um as far as How we're going to work on this or if anything anybody has to do anything By the way, I was very happy that I didn't find any action items very busy But yes, but now I have to be honest and and now that you're here ask you if there is anything You did not miss out on anything. I asked you to hold off so good so I had created a google space and um where I had put the minutes of our meeting and that's where we're going to collect some Uh academic literature to that can help inform some of these use cases We had agreed on about five pages. So it's got a lot of writing and uh The um once we get the template from the linux foundation Then we can start plugging it in so that we have this consistent approach and then um, then we will uh Just each start uh plugging in and then sharing our progress I'll probably schedule another call after we've had a little time to start working on it excellent Excellent question patty and thanks. Thanks. Thanks for being honest and not on that point um, and uh, yeah, you know wendy for for ad hoc teams, we don't usually post something up on the wiki, but we can certainly start that with this with this dev team Otherwise as you pointed out, uh, we we sort of keep all our documentation out on google google docs through the drive And we cannot certainly post something up here on the wiki for folks that want to have uh, maybe read only access to to those to those documents So i'll make uh, i'll put down a lot of to do for for me on that and we can talk maybe offline about how how best to sort of represent that here um Alrighty any other thoughts or questions? okay, so uh, so we no old business really to speak of But I did bring uh for new business. I did bring up a couple of uh different topics This is really in response to a conversation that we had. Oh, probably about a month or month and a half ago regarding funding opportunities for folks that are interested in in looking into ways to implement blockchain solutions in the healthcare space I pulled several different organizations. Uh, and these are all Well, two of the three are really us-based Uh, the unicef is international But as far as the two that are us-based we have uh, department of health and human services hhs And then a national institute of health health, which is nih Uh, and then unicef. I guess the unicef is international, but uh, I'll I'll show you kind of what what i'm looking at here We have some hhs solicit solicitations that are out there right now These are all in some way healthcare related but not necessarily blockchain related, of course The solution may implement blockchain solutions in some way Uh, but I just wanted to post this up here for those of you that are interested in pursuing SBIRs or sttrs what I refer to as sivers and sitters Uh an SBIR, uh, both of these are really intended for small business Uh, SBIR is really a small business opportunity independently And a small business I believe is still defined as 150 Employees of of an organization or fewer An sttr is similar to an SBIR Except an sttr Takes a small business and associates it with a An academic organization typically a university or a college And they work together collaboratively on On developing a proposal or a grand opportunity So, uh, so what I have up on the screen right now are a handful of different solicitations And you'll notice that the close date for some of these are coming up soon Uh, and of course these work all the way out until you know the next couple of years or so So there's an awful lot of opportunity here for folks of us that are interested In pursuing, uh, SBIRs or sttrs or sivers or sitters So please make a note of the url and we'll try to pursue this Whenever something that is very very blockchain technology specific I'll I'll try to pull it specifically But I just wanted to to present this here for you today as an opportunity Just as a resource really And and part of the part of the driver behind this is I had mentioned, um, steven elliott Here has been heads down on a grand opportunity and that came through one of One of the solicitations that came out of a conversation here In the SIG general meeting, uh, yeah, I want to say about a month and a half ago or something to that effect Uh, and so they were able to to to take advantage of that and they I believe submitted two weeks ago Okay, and same true for the NIH Uh, the NIH, uh, National Institutes of Health has a similar opportunity for funding Uh, and this is their page for that as well um, and then, uh These are very focused opportunities and so sometimes the way that this will work particularly. I think it's through the NIH in particular You could submit, uh Grant opportunities, which is you can say hey, here's an area of interest that I'd like to focus on will you fund me? Versus them coming coming and publishing here Interest in a specific area or a specific problem problem set So, uh, there is again opportunity here for funding, uh, in this case two ways They have targeted funding and this again is ciber-sitter funding As well, uh, you can you can approach these folks and say I have an idea for a solution and And you can describe it to them In very specific terms and they may fund you, uh directly that way as well And then finally and then this is more international, uh in nature, uh, unicef, uh, and Honestly, I don't even remember what unicef stands for but it's it's tends to be focused more around children Uh, and so they have an innovation fund that I pulled up here for us Uh, and this again gives us an opportunity for those of us who have small businesses Uh that are in sort of a startup mode and are looking have really demonstrated that they have a project or a product that is viable But they're looking for additional funding And uh on the submission page you can sort of walk through a little bit about what it is that they expect For eligibility for for funding through the unicef innovation fund The upshot is you need to be a private company. You need to be pretty well established with some sort of product And you're looking for sort of I would say supplemental funding And I want to say it's up to nine 90 thousand dollars. I believe But uh kind of importantly it has to somehow relate to children and that's kind of a key element, but it's pretty broad in that interpretation And it's all open source. And so if you're looking at an open source solution So not necessarily closed source, but open source using open source tools and so forth This may be an opportunity if you're for you to pursue and I'm pretty sure that this is outside Extends outside of the u.s. So so for those of us that are not in the u.s. This may be an opportunity for you to pursue Okay, any any questions or thoughts about these potential Funding opportunities for those of us that are in startups that are looking to sort of pursue blockchain solutions in the healthcare space Okay, and if you have questions feel free to Contact me afterwards and I'd be happy to help facilitate Happy to sort of help help you get sort of established through any of these mechanisms Just in general hyper ledger and linux foundation don't don't directly get involved in this But of course, you know, I'd be happy to to help get things set up Okay, so that's kind of it for the day I always leave leave us off with an open discussion about things that you'd like to Change or see improved within the special interest group If there's something that's coming up That that you think might be impactful that this This membership should be paying some close attention to And that was an opportunity just to say so and I'd be happy to to work with you going forward Nothing, so we're perfect How is that possible? That is true though Well, so well, so I'll kick this off so As most of you know, I'm my interest is in the kidney care space I volunteer my time with a great organization here in the Pacific Northwest Called the Northwest kidney centers It's the third largest not-for-profit kidney care organization in the u.s. I happened to be On their board. I'm actually I just just became chair of the board And one of the things that that just came up at the beginning of this past month In early july is something through the hhs Which is called the advancing american kidney health initiative and President trump Gave a presentation. I want to say Oh gosh july 11 something to that effect Around the 11 12 13 around that point in time And it was amazing because he was actually talking about kidney transplant kidney dialysis and all the things that at least in my world are really interesting fascinating things And the reason why I bring this up is because of this potential For change within within our health care system It's possible that we may see some really interesting and exciting innovation in this kidney care space And this and the sort of corollary to that is there may be opportunities that come out of that Where we can look at this and say hey, there this is a great opportunity to to think about using blockchain technologies In health care, but more specifically in kidney care So i'll just put that out there. It's a little bit early Right now, you know, it's as as you might imagine with government things tend to move kind of slowly The this this particular initiative is is an offshoot of the innovation section of the aca or otherwise known as obama care And the value of that is that of innovation area Is intended to really be fast tracked? And the fact that it's fast track means that there's usually about a year of delay before a lot of these sort of Of rules through cms. HHS get formalized Through the innovation program. It's usually closer to 60 days. So it's amazing how quickly this may be moving And again, it's a little bit early to tell but uh, I'd be happy to keep members status on that And again, I'm looking for opportunity where we might be able to use blockchain technologies In solving some of the things that come out of this this this very very new initiative So just just passing that along and again, like I said, this is just more of a personal interest for me But I'd be happy to share that going forward Alrighty anything else? And and once one final note I've been working with with community leadership and we do an annual survey And it's very likely that we're going to try to move a survey to either a biannual survey or a quarterly survey And part of that is really because we're we just we are very blind on metrics, which is to say It's very hard for me to know And and wendy wendy's our vice chair for us to really have an understanding of of where Membership sees value in in what we do and where membership doesn't necessarily see interest. And so We may be driving surveys a little bit more regularly In part because I think community leadership just doesn't Doesn't have metrics available for us to that extent. And so I think we'll fall back to the using surveys And so on that point When we get closer, I'll probably be reaching out and asking people to help out in developing these these surveys Does does anyone on the call have an issue with Anything that's google docs or google drive related? That which is to say do you are do your companies block google drive or google docs? Okay, so one of the thoughts and this is purely speculation was that in certain countries Google drive google docs get blocked. And so if we were to use google forms for the survey that might propose a bit of an issue We've used google forms in the past for our surveys never had a problem But of course we we may not necessarily know that it was a problem because those people in in receipt of these blocked Surveys of course couldn't respond to them. And so we may not necessarily know about it. So If something like that comes up and you hear about something to that effect, please let me know But that's kind of the plan going forward Okay, I think that's it. So our next schedule meeting is in two weeks on the 23rd of august And then like I said, we are planning to have some some speakers coming up Tori And Wendy, can you how do you pronounce Tori's last name senage? I thought it was senage Senage, okay. Does anyone can anyone correct me on them? Yeah, it's c-e-n-a-j if I remember Anyway, so Tori as I mentioned before founder for Founder and publisher for black chain in health care today We'll be speaking coming up and I think and I honestly Let me let me see. I think it's either the sixth or the 20th. I don't remember. Let me go. I'm in a cheat here. There we go Okay, so she'll be coming up on the 6th of september and she'll she'll be speaking talking about her publication and of course the converge to The accelerate conference that's happening in october Okay Anything else before we close out for the week Rich, this is wendy. Um, is there any chance you could stay on the call after the group discussion is done? Sure. Uh, yeah, uh, happy to do so. I do have uh, kind of a hard stop at the top of the hour But we're 10 minutes early. So happy to do so All right. Thanks everyone. Uh, have a great weekend. We'll see you in two weeks Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Bye. Thank you