 I don't see video for whichever leader is going to be feeding the presentations or the room recording in progress. So now that I can at least see the room I think you can get started time is 632. And the September 15 meeting of the development reward for the city of a new ski has been called to order. The DRB is a quasi judicial volunteer resident board that upholds standards and procedures as defined in the Winooski zoning ordinance review and make decisions on some of the visions site plans conditional uses variance and appeals of the zoning administrators determinations. The DRB has authority through the state Vermont state statute and ensures due process protects the rights of applicants and the rights of the public to participate in proposals for land development here within the city. Appeals of the decisions made by the DRB are heard by the Vermont Superior Court Environmental Division and the Vermont Supreme Court. My name is Matt base so it's I am the board chair with us is Harlan Miller. Also, Elsie Goodrich I believe is in the room as well as David Weisberger our newest member Jordan Matt is here and online with us is Aaron Guyette. Did I miss anybody. I think I got everybody Wow. Next up on the agenda are changes to the agenda. Does anybody have any recommendations or requests to make any changes to the agenda as presented. Oh for sure. Yes. Very happy to have Jordan here it was a great, I don't know probably half hour chat a couple weeks ago with with Eric and I and welcome Jordan here with open arms. Thank you. On the agenda of Vermont's open meeting law grants an opportunity for public comments at every public meeting if anybody would like to comment about anything that is not on our current agenda. This is your opportunity right now. Hearing nothing seeing nothing we can move along to the next agenda item which is approving the previous meeting minutes from last month. I skimmed through them I didn't see anything glaring. If anybody else sees anything that needs to be changed. Let us know. Otherwise I will entertain a motion to approve the minutes. Good catch David. Any seconds Harlan motions Aaron seconds all those in favor of approving the minutes please raise your hand or give us a thumbs up or say I all opposed say nay. Any abstentions. One abstention LC abstains. Motion carries the minutes are approved. Next on our agenda is our first of three substantive items here, which is a hearing on a subdivision at 262 North Street. So we will invite the applicant to please come join us. Yes, we do we do ask that before anybody speaks you swear and affirm that everything you are saying is the truth under the pains and penalties of perjury. This is everything you're about to say is the truth. Thank you. Thank you. So, tell us a little bit about the plan. Subdivision we had originally had between the two lots. There's an existing residents are opposing to create one lot. So a lot as the existing residents lot being is the proposed lot existing porch on the south side of the house partly in with something with DRB. So we have sides and back. So that adjusted the size of the lot on 1770 square feet. So it's still sufficient room to be able to build proposed driveway off of North Street to access the proposed lot being us was to issues outside of our control came in after the staff report was done. But it has been forwarded so that proposed lot would have an address of 258 North Street. So I was not there for the sketch plan review back in July so I'm not entirely familiar with the conversations that happened a couple months ago. But if anybody else who wasn't attendance, or who wasn't. I would just add is at the meeting with the sketch plan one of the items that you all did agree to was to have this come forward as a preliminary final. So this will be unless you have significant concerns or want to change things. This would not come back again for a final review. So if anybody else who wasn't attendance, or who wasn't has any questions, please chime in any questions or concerns. Okay. And, and Eric just to verify everything here does make this a fully conforming lot. Okay. Well thank you we invite anybody else who would like to speak on this project to come up right now. I don't know if we have anybody online. I don't think we do. And Eric you said there was nobody else in attendance to speak on this project. Okay. Well, what we typically do is either after this meeting or a date soon to be determined. We will go into deliberative session to discuss and make a final decision on on this project. So we thank you for your time. The next on our agenda is a hearing on a conditional use request for 157 West Allen streets, and we'll make it far less formal next time I promise. Do you affirm that everything you were saying is the truth. Okay, thank you. Your name I'm so sorry I didn't catch that. So this is just for build out of the first floor of the garage. All right, thank you. Yeah, tell us a little bit about the projects. What are your plans for the second floor just to keep it as a storage space of some sort or Eric does this meet Parker requirements for the city is for there would be three living units now on this lot correct. So, based on the regulations as a pre existing non conformity, they can make some changes and adjustments as long as it doesn't increase the degree of not separated by the driveway as well so there is some screening there already. Yeah, I think there's a six foot fence on both sides between James, me and Sarah. But I think you said that that was one thing that they so choose to request additional screen. But yeah, so there is there's some fencing there now. The structure immediately to the left of the building we're talking about. That's on the next lot. Is that a garage or is that a living space. Okay, and the paved air. I see there's a looks like a carport that's going to be constructed off to the side. Okay. So no, there would be no additional paving. It looks like all the, the asphalt that's currently in place would be there. Okay. The board have any questions before we move on. This is the minimum requirement. Okay. I know you've been living there for the last year or two. Are there concerns about where you're going to put snow. When the time. So you typically have this number of cars in your driveway now, he said. Is there a plan for when you have new tenants move into the larger space is there a plan for a place for them to park. Okay. Yeah. And I know that, you know, situationally right now doesn't mean that that's going to be the case five years from now and you might only have three cars there five years from now. Okay. So I'm going to move on. Yeah. As long as it meets current than that, that's good. I don't have any other questions. Does anybody else. Awesome. Well, thank you, Mr. Handy. We appreciate your, your time with us. If nobody else has any other questions, we will invite anybody else to come up and speak on this project right now. And just to clarify, this is a final decision today. Right. It's a deliberative session either tonight's or in the next couple of days, hopefully, and we'll have a decision for you very soon. The last substantive item on our agenda is a public hearing on a variance request for a project at one on one main streets. That also includes 109 main streets. And we invite the applicants or their representatives to come forward now. Same project to be rebuilt. The city only allows for a permit issued. It's good for one year and you can get a one year extension. And then that's it. That's, that's the most we allow. So since this project was approved has been changed. Okay, thank you. Development, which is our very similar plan also local development. We've done several projects, city blocks and recently city gardens. And we work with summit on Park, Paris and Casablan as well. So the history of this and before we dive into the specifics of the request, I want to give a little background on this on our involvement in this project. So this was the city. So, so projects in the state, there was such a large number of projects and we ended up having two applications in. They said, we can only do simple mechanism in the code to just extend past specifics on and especially the change in the code. Certainly see the site slopes from one side to the other street. So, so I'll just try to try to walk you through. So of the sheet, there's the garage entrance and you can see the parking that's closest to Main Street, maybe six months ago or so, unless it's 100% below grade. So even though we're partially below grade, this whole lower parking Main Street would not be allowed in this location. So because of the topography in this site is very unique shape and size, the new code. I'm sorry, because it's not 100% below grade or 100% at low. So, so basically they're parking setback line in the form based code. So there was some ambiguity in what below grade meant. So the code was changed to now say parking setback line unless it's complete fronting sidewalk elevation or something to that effect. So if you look at the plants here again and if you look at the big square where there's an elevator and stairwell, that whole piece, basically everything above those spaces. Use those spaces. Not only would this project most likely not be viable, but we still would not change the facade of the building. The facade would be the same. We still have the same amount of street activation, which we actually do space here some at grade service space activation, a decent amount of street activation for such a complicated site. Switch back to this. So again, back to this you see in the, the medium gray color is our commercial space right at the corner. And so it doesn't make it look like you're just walking it up like slats. So where we would bring that space and if there's ways we can. It looks as though there's an outside outdoor lot as well behind the building. Is that, is that true? Or am I, so that would only be accessible from mansion street. Okay. So there are some easements involved between the two properties, but 18 mansion street is not included in this, in this development. So any concerns about that the lot coverage is pretty much almost entirely building or parking about runoff into the rail ravine. Okay, okay. Right. Eric, can you clarify you said that there were two options for the variance we can either extend the expiration or you said something about the same project would have to be rebuilt. Okay. Okay. Okay, I, if the board doesn't have any more questions. I think we should bring up anybody else that would like to speak on this topic. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. And then we'll ask you to just raise your hand and swear that you're telling the truth. Thank you, thank you. I just realized I was muted. Can we bring Nate and Tom back up just for a second. I just have a question and I want them to get close to it. Oh, do we. Okay. But yes, let's take that. So John Hain. HA, I am E. Oh, PA YM me. I'm sorry. Okay. Great. Thank you, John. I had a follow up question for, for Tom and Nate. Unless there's anybody else. No, okay. I just wanted clarity on the funding that you are trying to secure right now. If you had not changed this project to a, to the mixed income. Or market level apartments. If you had not changed it to include the low income. You, that's the reason why you have to secure this funding. Correct. That reason why you are securing this funding. If this was still, you know, market rent apartments, then, then your funding would be coming from a different source. Okay. Awesome. I just wanted clarification on. Like. The city decided not just something that we handed out to the developers to build monstrosities, right? This is what we all collectively as a city decided appreciate. I appreciate that. I'm sure you, the legal issue and specific site characteristics that were pointed out in our memo. And I'm sure you, the slope of this site is one of the factors that makes it so that the intent of that code cannot be strictly met. The intent of these revisions were to have an engaged street space so that you wouldn't have parking in the street space. That cannot be done on a site that's this sloping. So, I don't think it's worth trying to dive into. Make this work, plus the site characteristics, which are unique and specific to a highly sloping site that makes it so that you cannot present the engaged street space and so. Thank you so much. Does anybody have any questions. Probably no. All right. Very good. Well, thank you. Again, we'll, we'll go to deliberate session probably tonight. This is actually moving. This quicker than I thought. So I think we'll be able to meet tonight and get these, get all three of these items hashed out. Next up on the agenda is a continuation from last month's meeting in regards to election of officers for. So, I do recall from last month's meeting, David and Aaron both said that they were not interested. Is that correct. That's the only. I'm sorry, that's the only responsibility. That works for me. You saw it correctly. It's somebody to make that motion and somebody to second it. I'll second it. Aaron seconds, all those in favor of that slate, please raise your hand say aye. Any opposed. I saw all hands up so and I'm assuming no abstentions motion carries unanimously. Hey, we have a full slate of officers. Yes, we do. Next up on the agenda is sitting updates from Eric. I will be, I will be there tomorrow to sign it. I was trying to get there today and I just ran out of time. Oh, very good. No other updates. We'll go to the next agenda item, which is other business. Very good. So how does everybody feel about deliberating tonight about these three items? So Aaron with a thumbs up. I didn't see anybody else. Good to go. Okay. So with that, I think we can go into deliberative session. After maybe a five or 10 minute break. Once we've adjourned and we'll jump onto that private link, but we'll entertain a motion to adjourn right now. Sounds good. Any seconds. David seconds, all in favor of raise your hand say aye. I believe so. Yes. Awesome.