 post-World War II he pioneered research into what he called retrievals of the third kind And since your audience is made up of a lot of military or ex-military people. I think they should know this Sure enough this craft rose up above the grew mountain range it was videotaped And Lazar told them there's going to be a test flight, you know this week at a certain time James, how are you my friend? Doing fine Chris glad to be here. Oh, it's great to chat to you again for our friends at home James Bartley is One of the world's leading Authorities on on everything. I'm just gonna say I'll probably get all this wrong but extra terrestrial UFO Fit phenomena, let's call it and James very in kind kindly invited me on his podcast I think it was a couple of years back now and we just chat we chatted for three hours non-stop and To just put my cards on the table. It it wasn't even like a subject. I've ever really been Interested in I wasn't like an ex. Yeah, I wasn't kind of a An ex files type all the answers out there and all this kind of stuff. I I've obviously got a healthy dose of Skepticism sounds a bit strong, but but anything that I haven't seen for myself or I can't prove or I can't logic out I Don't judge it, but I'll just say my my jewellery is out. I'll you know I'm I don't want to be rude to people that have spent their whole adult lives Research in a subject and poo poo them just because it's not something I've experienced right because that's no different to when people call you you know Tim foil hat because you question official narratives, right? And I think we're all starting to understand there's never been a time in in our histories When questioning official narratives that it couldn't be Couldn't be more in in in Important so I James I've gone on a wee bit there. Do you want to just refresh us on a little bit of your History just so we know who you are Sure, Chris. My name is James Bartley. I've been investigating alien abductions and extra-trust real Interdiment interdimensional and subterrestrial Lifeforms and civilizations for like 30 years over 30 years now. My mentor was Barbara Bartholick who in my opinion Was it remains she since passed away the foremost alien abduction researcher in history. Nobody knew as much as Barbara Bartholick and her her first protégé and her Premier protégé was dr. Carla Turner who has also passed away I strongly believe both of them were assassinated actually and Dr. Carla Turner was also a friend of mine and she was a pioneer likewise in this field so I've had my own alien abduction experiences which prompted me to Embark on this odyssey of research Investigations networking with others. I also have a strong background studying military history Studying the aerospace community studying the intelligence community. I used to be in military communications This is a civilian working for a commander naval Air Force's US Pacific fleet out of Naval Air Station North Island in San Diego, California excuse me so And I grew up as a Navy brat in a Navy family. So you can say that I was Born into a military family so I I'm very familiar with the way the military works and very familiar with Compartmentalization and how secrets are kept and maintained and how cover stories are created and I would Make a cogent argument that the alien abduction phenomena the the recovery of Advanced alien technology and the back engineering of such technology is arguably the most classified Highly secretive Programs projects in the world bar none What we've seen in the recent past that you alluded to those are limited hangouts Interesting that you mentioned what happened in September 20 some odd years ago What they did in that particular instance was the person who became the villain of that piece Was actually an ally for many years to the US intelligence community But the fact that he was an ally was was memory-hold quite frankly. So when you see people presenting themselves as Pentagon experts today Now what they've conveniently done is Memory-hold all of the information that has been uncovered by dedicated researchers for many decades There's been many many highly regarded High integrity Witnesses whistleblowers military and civilian alike scientist engineers who've come forth and shared what they've known Not only from personal experience, but from within the military industrial complex. So when people come around showing videos of UFOs or unusual phenomena and present that as Well, the military is mystified as to what these objects really are that that's nonsense the military elements of the military Intelligence aerospace community have a very good idea at least Where some of these extraterrestrials come from and have a very good idea of the nature of the technology that some of these civilizations possess So, you know, just as an opening I'd like to get that out there And James just a little bit about your own Family ancestry because I remember we discussed that last time. I know you've been around the this beautiful planet Um Somewhat oh my ethnicity Mostly Filipino throw in some Chinese throwing some Portuguese and Spanish. So I'm kind of a mud he might say but mostly Filipino and Chinese but you can tell by my accent I grew up in America That's why I sound the way I do and then my education was from America Do I remember Hawaii for some reason or am I I only stopped over in Hawaii. I never actually You know got around and visited the place. I only stopped over on on flights coming and going Yeah, when you say Filipino Portuguese Spanish then my mind just starts thinking about food That's surprising. Yeah, I want to come to your place and you can cook for me um so Let's talk about what is a limited Hangout a limited hangout A classic example of what's going on in The UFO field. There's this organization I think they were called the threat assessment center with an appendagon With quite frankly a Mickey Mouse budget of about 22 million dollars which It's questionable whether that would pay for a bolt On the f-35 fighter, right? So they have a very small budget and then they analyzed all these videos and imagery of Unknowns right what's been described as unidentified flying object objects unknown aerial phenomena And there's slang that's come up in the intelligence community fast movers Etc. Etc. And so What they're talking about when they show these videos However interesting and fascinating they may be It's still a limited hangout because they're not talking about The history of The the subject for example There was a guy named Steven Schiff. He was a congressman from the state of New Mexico and he kept getting He kept getting letters and he kept being Tested essentially by his constituent constituents in New Mexico About the Roswell event July 1947 Which was the actual retrieval of a crashed alien craft And there's a whole backstory about that. Sheriff George Wilcox was the sheriff of Chavez County if memory serves and Not only was sheriff George Wilcox threatened with death But his entire family was threatened with death down to his grandchildren. Okay because he had Did one of the people that had seen the alien bodies and bodies can't be explained away Technology or wreckage no matter how exotic no matter how Unusual the properties and they were quite unusual that was found at the Roswell debris field Can still be explained away but seeing A humanoid non-human life form that that can't be living or dead cannot be so easily explained away and Sheriff George Wilcox was one of the people that saw the bodies and he was threatened with death And he wasn't the only civilian witness that was threatened with death and I would argue that A crash weather balloon would not Garner such hostility from the u.s. Government and the u.s. Military in particular so Getting back to congressman see Steven Schiff like the good congressman he was He acted on his constituents in treaties So what he did was he got the government accounting office, which is the in-house federal government investigative arm To do an inventory and audit and a search for all information relative to The ufo crash retrieval at roswell new mexico in july 1947 and steven schiff Schiff was quickly found out that he was being stone walled by the pentagon and particularly by the air force but He was tenacious Once he got his teeth in into the subject He wouldn't let go so he kept pushing and kept pushing and kept pushing And then eventually steven schiff died of a quick acting cancer Now wherever you heard this before right Thomas van flander and just to give another example of a guy who died of a quick acting cancer Dr. Thomas van flander Worked at the u.s. Naval Observatory And he was aware of a very very large astronomical body coming up from the southern skies Which was having an effect on the orbits of a number of the planets in our solar system It was exhorting a strong downward pull on a number of the planets and affecting their orbits So he went to new zealand with an eight inch telescope To see what he could see And then within two weeks or so after returning from new zealand He likewise died of a quick acting cancer, but that's just another example of how the intelligence community Uh does away with some of these people so the point of relevance is if The the person louisa Elizondo is the one who keeps getting on tv these days and other people like him rather than Drown on endlessly about these videos that they've got and about how far out and fantastic and unusual they are Why don't they talk about congressman steedon shift dying of a fast acting cancer? Who was pushing for the government accounting office to reveal everything that they knew about the roswell event? Why don't they? Talk to the surviving family members of sheriff george wilcox was threatened with death and like i said he was not the only person threatened with death civilian so A military person who disappeared was one of the nurses who saw one of the alien bodies of the corner glenn denis if memory serves i think he's since passed away, but he was Now he wasn't a corner. He was he ran a funeral parlor In roswell and the air force army or force at a time Contacted him and they wanted to know if he had hermetically sealed small child-sized coffins, right? They didn't specify why they needed them long story short glenn denis Knew a nurse at the base. I think he'd been dating her for a while and Over a couple of meetings because the whole base went on alert You know, he wasn't allowed he went to the base Because there was an injury or a car crash or a plane crash what he thought was going on So he went over there and then he was treated rather rudely and Was Treated to some hostile behavior from the military police and left right But he eventually got together with this nurse that he knew this army nurse Who told him that What they found out in a desert was this crash of a vehicle They didn't know what it was and she'd seen these bodies which weren't human A long story short that nurse wound up disappearing and dying of Alleged plane crash not too long after because she was deemed the security risk, right? so the point I'm making is This kind of stuff have been going on all along and roswell was just one of a number of of crash retrievals, let's say that's what they were called and the godfather if you will Of crash with ufo crash retrieval research Was the late great lettered string field letter string field was an intelligence officer With the army air force in world war two we served in the fifth air force in the pacific And post-world war two he pioneered research into what he called retrievals of the third kind Because he developed a number of sources in the military industrial complex Who'd either taken part in the retrieval of an alien? craft that had come to grief somehow Or in the course of their duties, they'd seen alien bodies In conditions of deep freeze or Or otherwise in secret locations He was told by one of his sources that by the time 1966 rolled around 1966 There were already 30 alien bodies at right patterns and air force base in day in ohio where there are a lot of the Original roswell wreckage was taken to because it was the air material command headquarters Within which is the foreign technology division. That's where the air force had all their high tech laboratories and Engineering plants and what have you with exactly the kind of place they would take this material for research analysis et cetera et cetera And if you just look at the roswell case alone the cast of characters right And this will be familiar stuff to people who study this but If your audience is not really familiar and since your audience is made up of a lot of military or ex-military people I think they should know this Because like I said the the subject is so highly classified and highly compartmentalized You look at the base commander At roswell not the base commander, but the the wing commander of the 509th bomb At roswell, which at the time was the only nuclear strike force in the world This was the same outfit that dropped nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It was colonel william blanchard Who was the chief of staff of? General Curtis LeMay in guam in world war two when they were conducting the the b29 Air raids against japan right the the person who helped initiate the weather balloon cover story at fort worth car Carswell Air Force Base used to be known as it outside of dallas fort worth was general roger reimey He was a veteran bomber commander in world war two and he also served in india China Burma india theater and then he served in in the marianas under general lemay So these are real people real historical people that were involved in the recovery Of the alien technology and there's one that i'd like to hear your thoughts on this too There's a photograph of general roger reimey in his office With a document in his hand Layed out on the floor was all this junk like Like aluminum foil balsa wood et cetera et cetera because that was the weather balloon right now stop and think Would a weather balloon generate so much activity? Where numerous flights cargo flights b29 c54 transports flying in and out of roswell to carswell air force base Which was the the the parent group of the five and a ninth bomb group in roswell actually walker army airfield in roswell new mexico was the eighth air force headquarters in carswell Air base in near fort worth texas that's where general roger reimey was his chief of staff colonel thomas dubose later general thomas dubose admitted in what it amounted to a death bed Confession on videotape that the cover story of a weather balloon was It was just that it was a cover story because he helped initiate it right The person who demanded that eight therefore six quarters initiate the cover story Was general clement mcmullin from satry jacquero command Who tell who found? Eight air force headquarters because by then I don't know if it was intended or just an omission or stupidity or what But in their wisdom at roswell, they announced to the world that they recovered a flying disk and You know the the background of the story was Around that time june july 1947 The entire united states was being besieged by flying saucer reports In most of the states and remember this is post world war two america is one of two superpowers america is supposed to have total air supremacy Over the continental united states and there were just swarms of these flying saucers and other shapecraft flying all over the place unmelested Right, so it was as a big national security issue, but getting back to roger rehmie When he ordered major jesse marcel the intelligence officer from roswell To pose with the junk that was laying on in his office floor, right Major marcel had flown from roswell two cars. Well, excuse me army airfield with some of the wreckage okay He was one of two people the other was sheridan cavitt who was an army counterintelligence corps agent Who'd went to the main debris field and expected some of the The wreckage anyway, he was ordered to fly some of the wreckage To the parent group of the 509th bond which is the eighth air force now roger rehmie was photographed kneeling in front of The balsa would tin foil and what was supposed to be the The weather balloon and again would all this ruckus ensue With sheriffs being threatened with their lives their families being threatened the grandchildren being threatened planes flying in and out of roswell all for a weather balloon Now the thing that's interesting was the document general roger rehmie was holding in his hand Fast forward to the present times now several years ago or whatever with advanced computer enhancement They were able to He was holding the document and the page was upside down They were able to turn the page right side up and zoom in and enhance The document the parts of it that were visible and what did you see words like wreckage bodies, etc. etc, right? so That was not a hoax And not only that though, but there were eyewitnesses At the receiving end of the wreckage right patterson what became right patterson air force base, which was right field at the time There were eyewitnesses there who'd seen The bodies come in who'd seen the wreckage come in and There's just a lot of similar stories So when these guys come along and they say I'll look at these interesting You know videos and what have you their memory holding everything that went on before And roswell was just one one saucer crash There was another one a major one in nasdaq new mexico March 1948 not not even a year later and there were other ones so There's a lot of alien technology over the years that's been recovered that's been back engineered Studied in places like sandia los alamos The skunk works places like that the lockheeds advance Development project win So and one other comment and i'd like your thoughts on this If people think that this is something that's just a frivolous subject They ought to plug into what the late ben rich said about alien technology He said that in a private letter and what also amounted to a deathbed confession To an aerospace consultant for the mutual ufo network He said that He Definitely knows that alien technology exists and that the the technology the navigation is based on extra sensory perception right in other words the The ability to control the navigation and the steering of these craft is based on a direct connection between the mind In some cases in the mind of the pilots and and the flight controls also so You know someone like ben rich can't be dismissed as a crank or a conspiracy theorist He ran skunk works after Kelly johnson retired and he was the what the brains behind the f1 17 day night hawk, etc, etc so anyway, so When I do the research I look at it from the hardware perspective The recovered alien technology and its known capabilities But also look at her from you know The boots on the ground perspective where the rubber meets the road where normal everyday people like me Have had encounters with ets and I've had encounters not only with ets, but I've had encounters with deep black elements of the military Were deeply involved in the cover-up of all this so You know, I just wanted to get that out there Yes, and james just sorry to harp on about a point, but The actual definition of a limited hangout for me For my understanding is For example roswell in itself where everyone focuses in on in on that, but really that's it's kind of like a diversion from the actual real narrative so and a limited hangout say um it's It's where a lot of interested parties will literally hang out on this information Dissecting it and sharing it and believing it and it's forming there, but it's actually really it's kind of like a um to throw people off Yeah, like a smoking mirrors like a diversionary thing to keep people off the scent Yeah, and that's the point I was making About these people that have come up out of nowhere the last several years the the so-called threat assessment center depending on with The mickey mouse 22 million dollar budget. Sure. They're interesting compelling videos. I've seen better and many of my colleagues have seen better But what they're trying to do is They're trying to make it seem like it's all a new thing Right, and they're keeping it still at arm's length. Okay. Here's a video of an unknown object They're hovering above the water then it goes into the water, right? but They're avoiding the rubber meets the road aspect The actual recovery of the technology itself the back engineering the research And analysis like I've I met Bob bazaar. Okay, and I and I I talked to him briefly and I've been out at Near area 51 and I've seen some of the craft that have flown out of there And these are not the kind of craft you see at a normal airport or a normal air military air base These are luminous craft silent And I I seen several craft fly right over my head in the middle of night There and I know others that have seen all kinds of things At the test site out there and that's just one place. There's other places The the high desert of southern california the antelope valley where so many aerospace corporations are that's where a lot of this A lot of those bases are underground as well and so they They work on all this technology And then they test fly it at places like area 51 or s4 In a Nevada desert is one of a number of places when they test fly these But I would say at this point that they have They probably have fleets of What's been described as? alien replicated vehicles these are craft based on alien technology and field propulsion Electromagnetism, Electrographics So that technology has been even been rich himself said that the military now fly the stars And he said this decades ago So that that should be taken into account if they ever do a fake alien invasion You hear a lot about that I would argue that Well, the invasion has already occurred these non-human beings Have Covertly and not so covertly guided The development of our civilization To the point when you look at it now and everything is inverted all these Abominations they're trying to normalize all this oppression all this Volgarity etc etc that's being normalized Uh, we're supposed to accept it is this being perfectly normal, but it's anything, but I would argue that the source of that Is non-human I would say that the source of All the suppression all this rage all this warfare That's plagued humanity for so long I would argue that That it's non-human in origin And I think that I'm not saying that we're seeing the final act But I could say that maybe You know the final curtain has started to rise and maybe the act before the final curtain before the final act I think that things are going to start to come through ahead here before too long and And another thing also about the so-called elite that run this planet A lot of the heinous practices that they indulge in Which again, they're trying to normalize That's anything but normal what we would call human behavior And because if we go back to the lore Of all these civilizations around the earth They always talk about this inner breeding this hybridization between the gods if you will In humanity and how this hybrid Brahma brahman class if you will Has this priesthood In this various forms around the world that's taken over basically As intermediaries between the gods and humans And it's these laws that they make up and All all these pagan forms of worship That they've created Which they've normalized again and the symbology of this is all around us. So If there is a fake alien invasion It's only because the aliens want there to be a fake alien invasion It's kind of a the final nail in in this, you know control system so to speak My gosh friends at home. This is a man that knows his subject Um, I see Bob Lazar gets quite a hammering on wikipedia, which um I'm always quite my uh Red flag indicators go up when wikipedia tries to publicly destroy someone. It it It it does make you wonder um I mean once you use the term conspiracy theorist you you've just lost the high ground you've just lost Hey, you know, it it it says so much about what what you're trying to achieve So, you know, Lazar has brought people out there to the test site He brought john lear Who the son of the creator of the lear jet and john lear himself was a cia pilot And well known in the ufo field for for many years and Lazar told them there's going to be a test flight You know This week at a certain time And I know where to go to see it and sure enough this craft rose up above The the grew mountain range. It was videotaped that that you know made world news Back in the the late 80s early 90s Right and Lazar said things that only an insider could have known He said from the military perspective is actually the navy elements of the navy and naval intelligence that ran a large part of the alien back engineering program And that would make sense from a historical standpoint Because the air force didn't branch off from the army until what 1948 before that the real technological branch of the u.s military was the navy And elements of the navy still are extremely super advanced Compared even to the air force So, you know, how would he know that unless he was a part of the program and and also George nap who was the first to break the story about Bob Lazar in area 51 George nap was the investigative reporter for klas news at las vegas And he'd found a source that actually worked at the same facility as Bob Lazar S4 and so he Put this source that he found together with Bob Lazar And this source told Bob George nap. I think Bob Lazar is a phony. I think he's a fraud and I'll prove it to you So George nap put him together with Bob Lazar And this guy asked them specific questions How do you pay for the food? How do you get from here to there? Could you describe the layout of the cafeteria, etc, etc And this guy came back to George nap and said Yeah, he's legitimate because there's no way he could have known about these places Known about how you do things there without actually having been there And you know, there's other forms of of proof of the fact that they erased so much of his His educational history And when you hear the skeptics say, oh Bob Lazar, he can't prove that and he was educated any of these places That's the oldest trick in the book some of these atomic veterans who were irradiated in the The nuclear thermonuclear test test in the pacific and also those veterans that Were ordered to conduct maneuvers Within an hour after tests going off on the surface in in the vata. They've totally Pitch and hold Their medical their military records made it seem like they weren't even in those places Where they got irradiated and where they developed cancers of one form or another Because of their exposure to you know the radiation So we know from past history They will do things like eradicate people's past In order to maintain the cover up, but I just thought I'd throw that out there Yeah, so Bob Lazar claimed that during the During the 80s, he he worked in reverse engineering extraterrestrial technology Um, he's been on the Joe Rogan show. I remember I think I I saw that episode and he he he comes across He comes across in two ways either 100% legit and genuine or some sort of psychopathic like Ben that means he sounds like he really is Is is genuine and I don't claim to know no either way, but What um You you mentioned you had experience of adduction Can you tell us a bit more about that James? Well My first experience was when I was about four years old. I was living in Texas at a time. My dad Was based in Texas I can't remember if he was at the time with naval air station corpus christy or Naval air what became known later is naval air facility Kingsville, but they're quite close to each other and he He was posted at both bases at one time or another so I don't can really remember which one he was at a time, but as a frame of reference It was the autumn And I remember that because my mom was ironing his his duty uniform, which was The dark navy uniform and in north america. They only wear that in the autumn or the winter, right? So sometime around that time frame. I would say I'd reckon this would have been around 67 68 thereabouts I had an encounter in my bedroom. It's a long story. I've mentioned it many times on my own podcast and on other interviews I won't go into detail here but It was a small being I'd say about three Three and a half feet high it levitated it floated in my bedroom And it was about dusk. I remember that because I was playing in my bedroom alone and We had venetian blinds on the windows and the waning sunlight was beaming in Like I said, it was dusk. It was starting to be dusk and I could see the dust boats hanging in the air illuminated by You know the waning sunlight coming in through the venetian blinds And then I turn around and then there's this little critter. It's just floating there, right? and You know being a little kid And being quite territorial possessive of my belongings like my toys and what have you It wasn't a case of me being frightened It was a case of me being very territorial. It's like, what are you doing here? You know the implication being this is my stuff. This is my room. These are my toys What are you doing here? Get out of here, right? And I went out to the living room to Let my mom know that there's this little I call them a little man in the bedroom And my mom was ironing my dad's uniform She couldn't be bothered right she just thought I was babbling on about something So long story short I grabbed her by the elbow literally drug her back Uh to my bedroom flung the door open, right? Of course the being wasn't there And then my mom got upset and stormed off I walked into the bedroom closed the door behind me and then he manifested again Almost with an I told you so kind of expression, right? And then it telepathically talked to me and told me a few things Uh, and that was my first experience that I'm aware of but Things really kicked in a high gear and these experiences Happen intermittently psychically over the years There were some, you know big years like the Like the early mid 70s 74 75 I would wake up with these horrific nosebleeds my whole pillow would be saturated with blood On one occasion as a young boy. I was laying in bed. I was immobilized and I felt this Long metal probe being shoved up my nose my nostril and then You know, I felt this popping painful sensation and I blacked out and the next morning that my pillow was covered with blood I used to wake up with stickers and dirt on my on the bottom of my socks In the morning as if I'd been outdoors at night So, you know things like that is unusual stuff would happen But things really came to a head in 1990 I just come back from Germany. I spent a The summer in Germany on a language study program And then went back to San Jose, california and within a span of several weeks And starting around early september 1990 I just had a series of experiences culminating, you know in a full-blown full waking consciousness experience when I woke up and I found What I later came to know as three reptilian grays They were the familiar even sure you've seen the iconography in the pictures and what have you with the big heads and You know, they're really eyepieces the big black eyes are really eyepieces But instead of normal hands if you will They were claws. They were clawed hands And which dr. Carl eternal referred to as chicken claws, right? So I woke up to find three of those in my bedroom And I've told the story before in other podcasts. I'm not going to get into details, but You know, they took me up another big craft and this thing's really unraveled from there So, you know the next morning. I was a basket case as you can understand But in order to control my fear and the anxiety I was feeling By then, like I said, that was a combination. There were several things that happened before that when I came back in september 1990 As a way to gain control of this situation. I just immersed myself in research Clearly what happened was an encounter with something non-human So I just kept going back to the bookstore. This is long before the internet I kept going back to The bookstore in the shopping center It had actually drive quite a distance to get there And I just basically seen the place out of every book I could find about alien abductions and UFOs in general, right? so did you Did you not Or did you fit? Did you feel any need to investigate whether you might have been suffering from That this is some episode related to childhood trauma Well, the experience absolutely was traumatizing I was skittish and you know high degree of anxiety and trauma For some time and it was that was precisely one of the reasons why I immersed myself in the research to gain control regain control but as far as any kind of Trauma from my childhood which may have accounted for that No, I would say you know, it's kind of like you know, what came first the chicken or the egg kind of thing because When I did a life review And what I did was I got like a yellow legal pad of paper And just wrote down from as far back as I remember every unusual thing that ever happened to me All right, and after several pages I realized that this thing was with me whatever it was all my life and then further down the track I realized that there was also this deep black military element in my life as well We now know we have known at least since the late 19 mid late 1980s That there's a deep black military aspect to this where certain people that have alien abduction experiences also on occasion are essentially kidnapped by deep black elements of the military and they vary from the army air force of Navy depending on what part of the country you're at and also Sometimes one week and this has happened to friends of mine. It could be the air force abducting them and then a week or two later is the navy abducting them, right? and They're they're taken to a secure location Very often in a military facility or underground or If they've rented out or leased out Like office space and some some apart office complex somewhere in town or nearby They'll take you there and they will use narco hypnosis. They will utilize mind control they will also Train some of these people right in paramilitary Activities let's say and they will also train them to survive in possible future contingencies future apocalyptic scenarios if you will and it runs the gamut from Trying to survive in a nuclear biological chemical environment Foreign military invasion Alien invasions. I mean it zombies literally some of these scenarios involve, you know training to survive zombie attacks and the zombie attack dreams and zombie attack training Goes back decades, right? I remember having those things a long time ago So now people are talking about well these and I won't go into details, but let's just say prions and things Possibly related to mad cow disease, which we were hearing about nowadays Some of that stuff was a reality for us in our training and some of the scenarios that we were made to take part in Sorry, james. Can you just clarify for us? Are you saying post being abducted You were then Approach by these dark elements of the military or training or far or have I misunderstood something? The involvement and the interest in me by deep black elements of the military and medical military community went back to childhood I was like I said, I was a navy brat and You understand what it was like being in the navy or rather being in the Royal Marines that When you go to a doctor, it's typically it's a military doctor And my father Was an enlisted person The the doctors in the navy tend to be Lieutenant commanders commanders and captains right a captain being equivalent to a as you know, like a colonel in the air force or the army So the gulf between an enlisted guy And a navy captain in our example That's a huge gulf and if this navy doctor in our example says, oh, you know Give your son these pills or whatever or take your son to this that of the other medical facility They're going to do it without question Because it's ingrained in them as is a military guy and is a military wife They're not going to question And what happened with me and I'm by no means the only person this has happened to there, but many many many people like me Right because in my subsequent investigations I found out that some of them are laughing because it's funny Right. I found out that some of the military medical facilities. I was taken to as a boy We're notorious later on for mind control Oak Knoll Naval Hospital Naval Medical Center in Balboa Park, San Diego Letterman Army Hospital in the Presidio in San Francisco All those places later became infamous or well known within The research community as far as places where people were taken for mind control Now I know that Is that what we'd know is MK ultra Well, it may be an offshoot of that and I know some people that need your response because so many of them You know succumb to brainwashing basically to think that aliens don't exist and only you know, there's only mind control There's no aliens involved, right? Well, I'm here to say that in my view a military abductee in my lab as we call it My definition of a my lab is someone who's a legitimate alien abductee first who over time Somehow draws the attention of these deep black elements of the military And that was the case with me. So from an early age, I mean on one occasion I woke up In a medical clinic with these wires attached to my head in the whole bit, right? Don't even have any memory of how I got there So What's happened to me is not unusual But it really gets into the whole alien military deep black connection which goes back many decades Because some abductees have In the general population you will find people that have Very strong intuitive gifts, let's say But for whatever reason Some people that have also had alien abduction experiences Some of them tend to have quite pronounced psychic abilities And these abilities are exploited by deep black elements of the military Where they're kidnapped They're made to conduct remote viewing or or uh, conduct astral What amounts to astral espionage, right? So we know that Remote viewing was practiced by by the military for many years People have come out from within The Stargate program within the Pentagon and stand for Research Institute In Palo Alto, California, which really was not too far from where I lived But that was just one One branch of it. There was other branches far Far more highly compartmentalized and far more secretive than that That's just what people know about right what they've read about in books But the fact that people have been used against their will Psychic operatives basically That's been going on for a long time and somehow or other Deep black elements of the military glommed on to the fact that some of these people have alien abduction counters They seem to have these innate metaphysical abilities, which they can tap into right so they're they're exploited basically as As resources There's nothing It's exploitative extremely exploitative and some of these people like myself Endured a lot of trauma and a lot of abuse quite frankly from these These military controllers. I mean people I know have been tortured I know women Who've been gang raped by by military personnel in order to fragment their psyches even more So there's nothing glamorous when I hear people talking about being a super soldier It just I just roll my eyes because it rips me no end These are people that have been really abused But that I don't want to pay a victim hood kind of Slant to it all because these people are you know, they're victors not victims. They don't see themselves victims Although they have been victimized in the past, but right you have to roll with it You have to turn the page. You have to get on with life because you know one thing that I would say one of the things that has helped held me in good stead today in today's modern snitch society right is that Because of these experiences because I came from a military family anyway Keeping things close hold keeping things close to the vest and Essentially living as a spy amongst all these people all this time Is second nature to me now. So when I sit there and I listen to these people Lambast others for endangering their safety and all this other stuff I can just sit there like a fly in a wall You know, I'm not going to disabuse them of that. I'm not going to try to inform them or wake them up or anything I'm undercover as far as that that goes Right, so that's held me in good stead because I've been like this all my life I mean to me me seem contradictory because I'm on a podcast now, but You know, this is only one part of my life. No one that's not involved in my field Can I just know it's the side of me, right? Can I just chuck some stuff out here James? I don't want to sound in any way like Dismissive or disrespectful But I just think as scientists By scientists, I mean, you know people that are interested in in in truth, isn't it essentially? um it I get a bit kind of upset because I talk to lots of people obviously and Whenever anyone uses the term military brat I personally Think it says so much about um, I don't know maybe like how they're feeling about themselves I only I only use it because I haven't come up with anything Another synonym, you know other than to say I grew up in a military family. Yeah, I think of myself as a brat If that's what you mean. No, it's an American Americana, it's a very common term. So that's why yeah But it's the same when people suck up to you about being in the midst. It's just just dude you live your life I I just live mine different to you. I'm I'm known, you know I'm sorry. I just want to explain so we don't all people listening don't don't think I'm Trying to be disruptive like I just mean that Military kids go through a lot I can go through a lot of trauma Uh identity wise um fitting in The the numerous moves the different schools that you go to the different countries that you might find yourself living in and adapting in In addition the most important role model in in a boy's life, which should be his father Well, he's not there most, you know a good percent of of the year Now we shouldn't dismiss this No, I don't yeah This is why I always get upset people using a nick such a negative term as brat about and so even although I get it I get it it we do these things without thinking it's the same in the substance misuse world When people use the word clean I just think dude dude just just stop there a minute You sound like I'm I'm dirty, but you but you you know because I've had a mental health issue. We really need to think about Language, but I don't want to get off the subject. It it's just that I I Think it needs to be recognized In In this equation that You went through a lot whether that made you susceptible susceptible to Being approached by alien entities or Whether the trauma was manifested in in in This way that might have led you to believe that um And the reason I'm saying this is well, we're you know, we're a podcast and this is what we do We we look at life and we try to make make a little bit of sense of it, right? um I I don't know But then I should also add the reason I I I first got this notion was There was a film. I can't remember what the movie was, but there was a film about this About a young man that believed this and when it came out it it turned out he'd been subjected to horrendous like abuse Through his childhood Then let's take this one stage further We also know You know why hollywood put put a very um Selective in which narratives they put out there to put people off the scent of Of of the truth. I just wanted to Bring this up James to see if it was something had had you ever considered this or was it like no chris That definitely was not definitely was not the case Have I gone through trauma as a child? Yeah, I'm sure I have You know, I wasn't like this pristine kind of childhood. So there was different forms of trauma but one of the forms of psd PTSD rather That is very common with people like me that have had alien abduction experiences is Because precisely because you know, we've had these alien abduction experiences You know, we're skittish. I mean a lot of us were afraid of the dark. We're afraid of certain parts of the house certain You know, I I know of kids that Don't even want to be on the second floor of their home even during daylight Because of the experiences that they've had Some kids have a morbid fear of Of wardrobes but what they call closets in america and it's not surprising because from time immemorial Right stories abound of these Creatures that come out of wardrobes Even that old children's story the line of which in a wardrobe Uh and some of the investigations I did in the high desert of southern california. There were literally reptilian beings coming out of Uh these wardrobes these closets In the children's bedroom Right and me and my mate what we would do is be filled the coin Whoever one got to sleep in the bed the other guy slept in the sleeping bag on the floor And and you know, we took it in turns night after night to sleep in that bedroom Where the entities were coming out at night and they did come out at night sometimes, right? We had encounters with these beings that came out because that happened to be their habitat basically Was that house? How did that materialize? What what did you what did you see or what did you experience? Well on one occasion When I was sleeping on the floor in the sleeping bag I woke up and there was a very large dark Being standing above me and it was it was a reptilian the lack of a better term And I was immobilized. I couldn't speak. I couldn't move and I was terrified as you could imagine and uh I couldn't even get a squeak out and then I blacked out right And another occasion I was sleeping on the bed this time and and my friend Who I've also interviewed my podcast. He was on the floor in the sleeping bag and I woke up with a start because I heard some rustling coming out of the closet, right? And so I looked over at the closet because I was worried something was going to come out of it Next thing you know, I just I was struck on both sides of my face and knocked out And um, you know for about two weeks after that I had a really sore face Well, what happened was see there were It was one basic group of reptilians that were coming up from this underground base that they lived at right Which there was also a deep black navy base underground also in that same area And the one that punched me out Was an immature juvenile it could have been an infant. It was only about three four feet high We call them baby godzillas for lack of a better term because it That's what it looked like to us, right and when we drew sketches of the looks like a baby godzilla, but um It punched me out and knocked me out But I was thankful for later because it could easily have clawed the hell out of me, right? So for whatever reason it just decided to punch me Well, which was fine with me, but Well, but the point of relevance was if he asked me if this was something that I You know due to trauma that I'd somehow concocted it or something or it was something that I As a way to cope or whatever No, that's not the case because one thing about me is I know my own mind Right. I know when Intrusive thoughts try to come in from some source. It's not my own Right. Uh, I I know when I see things because when I look at something I objectively try to suss out What it is Because I've seen What I consider to be alien craft, but I've also seen man-made advanced field propulsion craft I could pretty much tell the difference between the two Well, at least a certain certain types of craft I've seen lectures where they point out the features on these uh discs What what we call flying sources in the old days Yeah, and the lecturer can point out Well Due to the technology on them whether it's man-made or whether it's actually extraterrestrial So yeah, and I'd like I'd like to point out really quickly that there's a notion that all triangle shape craft are necessity man-made That's not the case. The triangle is a universal shape. So some of the Some of the craft are Non-human some of them are crude by aliens for lack of a literature But others and I've seen a number of the ones seen Created by humans I've seen a number of them in northern california and in san diego. So they definitely have a a particular Field to them and they they look and they sound a certain way Sometimes if you're close enough to them, you can hear an electrostatic buzzing sound if you're standing directly beneath them So anyhow, I know we're running out of time here, but but thanks. No, no, not it for letting me come on What I've done James. I've just been writing some things down that come into my head um and I just want to sort of Chuck them at you so we can Come up with something for our audience Because what you said there about the reptilian form specifically coming from underground. This is a a fairly recurring theme if you ever look at this type of Narrative on on the social media channels or the the video platforms It's not you're not the first person to come up with This this notion for example, I had a chat on my podcast Bob Bob Just see quickly if I can Bob's name up um Oh Hang on maybe having yeah Robert Weigand um and We had a podcast and he was just telling me with after sincerity About one of this reptilian life once is walking walking through a wall um He was talking about the table of I think he referred to there's a table of 500 these This table of elites that that uh This is where it all gets confusing because I have no doubt that probably is some table of elites that that that Push push all the buttons on the planet um Whether whether this is the same thing rob robert was referring to but it it's not a new thing is what i'm trying to say So can we just ascertain? What Where do these grays come from? What are these reptilian? forms How does that fit in with say when you hear terms like is it is it our cons? And who are kind of supreme Supreme beings what how how is all this? connected james Well the term archon is is I wouldn't say it's a generic term But it's kind of an umbrella term that describes one or more of these non-human Godlike beings if you will that have had a abiding interest in humanity Frequently interferes with humanity frequently Interbreeds with humanity. I use a term archon as kind of a generic term to describe Essentially negative beings that are parasitical in nature Right because you know the beings of all stripes. They run the gamut You know from the negative polarity all the way to very positive benign Ingellic if you will and all points in between some are neutral some Don't really care about us one way or the other. They may just be passing through or whatever and others A more agenda oriented, right? The grays that you refer to I think the gray Body type that were accustomed to through eyewitness accounts as well as You know what hollywood has done They represent A particular type of of et form I believe there are a number of factions of so-called grays and they're not all gray Some get some are like chalky white in color some Are more grayish in appearance some are more blue gray some are blue I mean they run the gamut. They have the same general Shape but some are stockier than others some are quite frail When you look at them and some of them come from particular points in space that we've identified Zeta reticuli I think it's 37 light years From from our star system The technology that bob was our worked on was from the zeta reticulant reticulant system And he's by no means the only military Insider or someone involved in the military aerospace community who's talked about these zeta beings Dan Sherman was a intuitive communicator who worked for air force The air force security service, which is the that's what it used to be called. It was the the nsa element of the air force and in the early 1970s he was part of a Deep deep black what he called the gray program called project preserve destiny And he was told when he was right in their program that at some point the grid is going to go down All power and everything else around the world is going to go down But they're still going to need to communicate with at least one type of et Beings and in this case there was once again These zeta beings. I don't know if it was exact same group that you know Provided the technology that bob was our worked on but at any rate He was told dan Sherman was told and he's got a verifiable background this guy does That the beings he had to learn how to telepathically communicate with Were from zeta reticulae. He was an alien abductee and his mother was an alien abductee and It was a joint nsa zeta reticulant program to genetically enhance Dan when he was still in his mother's womb and then guide him You know through childhood through his teenage years eventually You know shunting him into the air force security service to specifically be in this program So the point of relevance is that's one type of gray from zeta reticulae now as far as the reptilians are concerned There are various types of reptilians. There's not just one kind Some are Subterrestrial they live in the big cavern systems beneath the earth and they've been here, you know, it's long or if not longer than we have And then there are extra reptilians that are extraterrestrial And there are some that are interdimensional It's not inter dimensionality and extraterrestrial are not mutually exclusive. It's just a matter of frequency and vibration and some of these beings They have the ability not only do they come from another planet Another solar system in our cosmos But they have the means to go to other dimensions This simple matter of altering their vibrational density their their frequency And some of these beings fall into all three categories where some of these reptilians have established bases here From time immemorial, they might as well be earthlings because they've been here so long But what they've done and and you can follow this In the lore of so many First nation peoples here on earth Through what we would now call a genetic engineering program. They've crossbred essentially mated with But also using advanced genetics With the human surface population And created a hybridized race of themselves, which I believe are the hybrid plantation managers who actually run this planet And it should be pointed out that there were others before David Ike who were talking about this in fact You know, you know David Ike, you know, you some of my material and his children are the gods book Which is fine with me, right But uh, the point is that people like my mentor Barbara Bartolik, Dr. Carla Turner and others Bill Hamilton was another guy. He was a member of our force Security service himself a russian linguist. He had his own alien abduction experiences and uh he It you knew all about the reptilians his wife. It had reptilian encounters. So it looks like I froze I don't know if you can still Hear me, but um Yeah, I can still hear you. Yeah, but but yeah, I mean, so I'm not talking about people that are, you know Crackpots. I'm talking about people that are very very Switched on verifiable Uh backgrounds like bill hamilton is a classic example where his own wife was having reptilian experiences As a matter of fact on one occasion. I was standing outside of their trailer at Near area 51 We're supposed to ironically meet late at night like three in the morning for a sky watch While I was waiting for them to come out That's when the seven craft flew over which I talked about earlier But what I didn't know until later was that I was standing right outside their their trailer His wife Pam was having an encounter with a reptilian a reptilian Now this reptilian had followed her around all her most of her life It regarded her as as its mate essentially, right? She was an r.h negative herself which is figures prominently in our field as far as blood types are concerned And so while I'm outside their trailer waiting for them to come out She's having an encounter with a reptilian Bill is laying next to her paralyzed in bed couldn't do anything about it. So Anyway, that's Just some stories that I've heard over the years But that was an example when I was I was right outside the trailer when that encounter was going on I wanted to talk about the technology Um Because one thing that always makes me chuckle is When certain parties in this world want you to believe that um Man got in a tin can Filled it with fossil fuel and then went to another planet. It always kind of makes me Chuckle a bit for the simple reason the way to The way to travel into planetary if that's even a word Um Would involve such a clever con con conception Or concept of technology that you ain't going to get there in a rocket um The the the other side the into much into dimensional stuff That requires a you know, probably a slightly deeper and a much deeper understanding than physics Probably a much deeper understanding than quantum quantum physics But With respect to just actual geographical You travel within this this incredible Solar system or universe I'm guessing You would need to manipulate matter Uh atoms molecules. I'm not um You know, I'm not a physicist, but It you you you don't get from a to b by putting a shitload of gas in your tank and go You know like you evil can evil jumping the the snake river can canyon It's got to be some clever conception of how you manipulate Space wherever that's the space here On earth or whatever Do you have any ideas how they might How it's possible to do that And I just chip in Uh or how we're doing it because obviously it's been alleged that the Germans had Uh flying source of technology Whether or not that was in any way shape or form the same technology that that are visitors from From, uh, you know Out to space if if that's if I can refer to them as that So what what what do you think we're talking here? James tech technology wise and and for the for the both types of travel well the general principles of field propulsion electrical vetics Electromagnetism they've been studied and Have been put into practice from an engineering Arrow space perspective for some time There were actually articles in a popular american magazine called popular. It was called popular mechanics From the 1950s. Uh bill hamilton showed me the uh, the actual Magazine he saved it after all these years and it talked about how in the future You know the craft of the future Wouldn't require wings it wouldn't require propulsion or jets as we understood it It would you know, it would basically fly like a flying saucer, right? And after a certain point in time those types of articles began disappearing from the The aerospace journals because all of it went black all of it went highly classified We know at least one particular race the aforementioned zeta reticuleans The way bobbas are described it and you can probably still find that video he made of it way back when secrets from the government bible where he Basically gave a class on video about how the propulsion works The uh the fuel that those beings from zeta reticula use at least that race or that group They call it bobbas are coined the term element 115 It's a stable element that produces a its own gravity wave and What they do is they amplify these gravity waves Point it to a distant point in space Power up the gravity amplifiers And essentially pull that distant part of space to the craft, right? So Interstellar travel doesn't involve traveling at or near the speed of light in a linear fashion That's thinking in very conventional terms This particular race. I don't know how any other race does it but this particular race Pulls The distant point in space towards it And then when that distant point in space Is now surrounding the craft. They certainly simply turn off the Uh or they power down the gravity amplifiers and and use a different motor propulsion to get around But that's how it essentially warps space kind of like in star trek terms You know the warp drive, right? So that's how that particular race does it. I don't know how you know all the other races do But it must be remembered that Most star systems are binary or multiple star systems And some of these other probably many of these other star systems would tend to have elements That are naturally occurring there but are not naturally occurring here And this element 115 fuel Which bob was our handled and he was the one that came up with the term element 115 It's an example of that which is it's not native to earth Not even available anywhere else in our solar system if memory serves lasar said that Los Alamos had something like 70 pounds of it That which they use for research purposes so But again, that's one particular type of extraterrestrial race It doesn't mean that they all utilize the same Propulsion system with the same means of interstellar travel, but basically It doesn't have anything to do with traveling at or near the speed of light in the linear mode and as far as the moon is concerned Yes, I believe they got to the moon. I don't think they got there in the way They tell everybody and these flimsy tin cans and Somehow they you know the astronauts got past the van Allen belt without being irradiated and then somehow they If you just look at the film from at all it was all on a stage it was all just fake and Yeah, it's just An example of just more quackery and more fakery But as far as the Germans were concerned There seems to be this school of thought that you know the German advanced Craft system let's say Was to be all on the end all and explains away all these UFO sightings But but I don't believe that I do feel that they did have a program Underway where they were trying to develop this kind of technology which the u.s. Later on when they actually recovered some alien technology They began their program, but it was deep black if the Germans had the kind of huge fleets that they were Ascribed to have by many researchers I would have thought they would have used it during world war two right instead of you know Just sending up these High-pools and doornears and nescher smiths if they've got the technology. Why don't they use it right? But they didn't appear to do that. Yeah, I mean they've resorted to just Chocking a load of explosives into a rocket and send sending it over the English Channel. Didn't I? It's not not exactly yet. It was very effective um Talking about the doodle bugs here, aren't I that they want? Yeah, they make a horrible Horrible whistling sound as they as when they got to altitude over the target and then began to drop out the sky they made this terrifying whistle to to frighten the population but The the last thing James. I want to come on and this is my understanding of it is uh out in hollywood Back in the what we'll be talking about I'm guessing I don't I'm not even going to say but you had these amateur scientists rocket scientists And they're out there in the desert and they're trying to get this um rocket in Well into the air let alone in into the space Incidentally just as an add-in here friends at home NASA still offered a million pound reward for anyone that could get a rocket into orbit um Up until like fairly quite recently, which is um Quite quite interesting in itself, but you had these young Let's call them young dudes that are They're out there. They're expanding their consciousness with all kind of mind-altering substances and they're trying And I think what happened is They realized that their conception of physics was so limited by Tradition and traditional method that there was no way they were going to get one of their Rockets into space and so what they did was started to explore the occult Wondering if there's some way they could summon up a magic to get these craft into space and of course at the same time Or maybe not at the same time, but in the same vein, of course the Germans were doing the same thing they had all their National socialist party scientists who were desperate in the Second World War to to um Obviously master rocket technology And as we know in operation paperclip they were then given um immunity from prosecution to to come over to form What what would have been the american space program and of course what we now know as nasa and You hear that these scientists were into the occult i'm guessing Just because they're incredibly open-minded and they're exploring all kinds of of possibilities um I just wondered if you had any Thoughts on that or knowledge of um Knowledge of this Because even to this day you see some um There's kind of hints of masonic symbolism around You know what nasa? nasa doing Um, yeah, no, I won't go there, but um And then when you see things like the the parallel that they landed on the moon at was 33 33 degrees and and and Yeah, I just Wondered if you had anything to add Well Richard Hawkeland's book Dark mission. I think it's the subtitles the secret history of nasa is it's a good place to start because he talks about how nasa which largely founded and run by nazis Was founded on occultic symbolism and They apparently had they're not the by only by no means the only institution or culture if you will That had a similar obsession, but they they being nasa had a Obsession with the constellation of Orion, which is not surprising Orion's even mentioned in the bible right so The the free masonic aspect as well like so many of the uh astronauts and Some one of these guys had the right stuff, right? The early test pilots and what have you many of them were free masons so That's not surprising too. So on the one hand, they have the non disclosure The standard kind of fair non disclosure secrecy oaths and on the other hand they have the the free masonic secrecy binding oaths A pain of death kind of thing right so It doesn't come to me as any surprise that in institutions such as nasa And i'm sure it's pretty much across the board with these other federal agencies There's a strong free masonic Network at work A good a good old boy system if you will And as far as the magical aspect to it built the aforementioned bill hamilton I've got the book somewhere as he wrote it any entitled alien magic precisely for that reason because There is this lack of a better term magical aspect to this Whereas some civilizations throughout the cosmos had the technological means to Get from here to there. I mean Traverse tremendous distances, but in a non linear mode like I said Other less sophisticated civilizations Had to find other means to accomplish the same thing And we know That they do some of these adepts Warlocks medicine men medicine women what have you Shamans have the ability to open portals Portals that go from here to there. I talked earlier about how these reptilians were coming out of a closet Well, there wasn't a tunnel there the tunnel entrance coming out of the closet. They were there was an energetic Portal opening it very quickly. I'll tell another story I knew personally the late great Bob Brown. He was the founder of the international UFO congress, right? and I was telling him about These high desert southern california investigations I was doing Where I was in this house and the reptilians and there was more than one portal entry in that house There was one in the living room Different places, but most of the activity was in the children's bedroom. That's why we we would spend the night in there often and I Told him about how they were coming out of the closet, right? well, he happened to know A former defense intelligence agency remote viewer A woman I won't say her name So what he told me to do if you remember the old polaroid camera as he told me get a polaroid camera And just go around taking pictures around the house also take a picture of that closet, right? And that's what I did And I sent these pictures to Bob Brown He turns around and gives it to this remote viewer woman without giving her any details about anything going on there, right? She quickly zeros in On a photograph of the closet. It was a sliding closet door. So I slid The sliding door over and I took a picture and if you look at the image, it's just like A clothes hamper a whole bunch of hangers. That was it like nothing to write home about But because she's this remote viewer She immediately saw that near the floor was an energetic portal opening and she told bob And said this is a portal opening. There are creatures coming in and out of this Opening into and out of this household, right? And again, Bob didn't tell her anything of what I had been telling her, right? So that's an example of these portals and I I should add that a lot of these so-called cryptids and these are These are life forms that are not recognized by mainstream zoology But they exist or we call them, you know, there's different types of them sasquatch In australia, they call them yawies, but there's also dogmen. These are large A bright canine bipedal canine looking creatures, but some of these beings besides being flesh and blood Some of them have an interdimensional aspect to them and according to the native american lore Some of these so-called cryptids of various stripes They know where these portals are that are naturally occurring So they go in and out of our world to their world And that's how they get around like a lot of eyewitnesses have seen the sasquatch in america Just abruptly disappear, you know, you know, in a blinding flash of light And I know other people who've seen sasquatch come out of a portal Okay, and go back into a portal and disappear. So The ability to utilize these portals And I believe there's a worldwide Portal network the grid if you will and I believe that this portal network If we scale it up to stargates Goes throughout the cosmos. It's just a means for beings who've developed the know-how To get around and I do do believe that the The traditional shamans the yogis the medicine men medicine women what have you Some of them and I think that this know-how this knowledge has been passed down throughout the ages And I think that some of these Depths these warlocks these really dark black magicians Also utilize this capability Not only for travel for themselves, but they open up these portals To let these malevolent malevolent things in I think that's a big part of their whole shtick is to Right now. I believe that the veil between worlds plural is very thin and I think as time goes on as it start cranking up certain types of frequency modulations if you will that these Membranes between worlds become even more porous And I think more and more of these malevolent the type beings will start coming in to our reality And I think that already we're seeing That a mass psychosis has taken place Throughout the world where people are just either so dumbed down Or so mind-controlled or so hypnotized and in some in many cases. I believe Uh There's a big time case of lack of a better term demonic infestation Some kind of dark pervasive evil has just taken over a lot of people who in in the recent past even We're not like that but something has happened Something may have been administered let's say but also just as likely Because of all these portals and the veils between worlds are getting so thin now The fundamental concepts are changing That more and more people are being taken up Essentially possessed by these entities And I think we're starting to see that play out that there's a madness that has overtaken so many people on this planet Yes massively I mean you are by definition if you're if you're living in your Let's call it your bestial self. So you're you're lower being So that you're To use an old-fashioned expression you're out on the town chasing tail You're overindulging in food You're ingesting substances You're angry at work because that guy's got that position and you have all of all of these ego actions You are In spiritual terms or biblical you you Or scriptural to you are on the dark side. It's kind of Really that simple You can take it one stage further and I meet a lot of really well-meaning people And and they they're good people But when you're pushing a religious agenda What you're essentially doing is creating division You're saying if you're not on this boat if you're not on board this one with all of us Then you ain't shit, right? As opposed to recognizing that we're all I think someone messaged me earlier ian brown said we're all start stardust in one of his one of his songs and I think until we can all realize that we are we're a carbon structure We we come from we we are part of the universe. So we are the universe experiencing itself Therefore the only thing we should be expressing to each other when you're me and i'm you is is love Love kindness empathy understanding Um, what else would you have for someone else if they're you? But while you create When when you chuck religion into the equation and and when you chuck nation states and and war What what you're essentially doing is corrupting that beautiful connection that we could all have with the universe because um When you're saying that hey, yeah, I'm in this religion and it's like the best and you've got to find this one You know, you've got to find it what you're essentially saying is that i'm different to you and i'm not we are we are We are the same How that fits in this is why when I think about interdimensional or interplanetary travel If people had the ability to do that they'd be such an advanced um Population or such an advanced species they would realize what I've just said that would be they didn't wouldn't need that Explaining This brings me on to my next thing is so when you see fox news trying to glam up the the alien scenario in into like imminent alien invasion on the cards and Then you get these i'm What what you could argue could be fantasists talking about a space program and and and do you remember star wars back in the 80s, you know It's I mean that was slightly different that was to shoot down nuclear missiles but now they're talking about the same You know space troopers and all this just what I would say is just ridiculous nonsense because People can travel here they are way more clever and then your stupid bloody satellite tin can Junk that you can only just get into the Higher of orbit which isn't very high off the planet at all and it's nowhere near space um So what i'm getting to james is when I see them building up this this alien threat in the media As opposed to looking at it from a scientific point of view. It's like bloody hell If there are any that is so clever like how do they do it, you know Then what i'm what i'm wondering is do you think we're heading um for uh, I don't even want to say the term Uh But let's just call it a false event where When we've seen a vote false events in uh recent history and we know we know what they've led on to Do you think we're going to see a similar one? with an alleged alien invasion At a time where as you said the population has become so Uh naive and and docile that there and of course we've all been indoctrinated with the space uh The space lie since we were children through space 1999 star wars star trek all this kind of stuff Yeah, I just think And and what we've seen this in recent times with what people Will totally believe without doing any research whatsoever and then live their whole life in fear off the back of it um I'm I'm wondering if that's if there's something on the horizon And I'm going to go one step further and make a prediction here The You know big ben is the the big clock tower in london Uh the famous one if that actually I think it was the ben big ben refers to the The the actual bell So somebody put it in the comments help me out here, but anyway, they they've had scaffolding up on that structure They had it up for years And I'm just I'm just I'm just wondering if the The controllers have been filling it full of uh explosives And that we're going to see an alien invasion that blows up our house as a parliament blows up big ben um And that I think I think I saw that with the marz attacks movie right one of the white house gets, you know What are they Don't they call that predictive programming where they put in the movies what's going to happen so people already have an Uh a memory of an event that hasn't actually taken place, but the memory comes from the fiction from hollywood um I think we've we've seen that Again, surrounding you talked about the malleability of the public mind. Just look how the official narrative narratives plural You know takes this meandering course where you know, they come out with information that completely contradicts their previous official line And it's taken on board hook line and sinker and then when you hear the the playback from the people around you They were repeating word for word Without question or without any critical analysis The latest bs. They just heard yeah, and it doesn't matter if it contradicts what they've been told before so, you know the point being that They can be made to believe anything If the the media got on a witch hunt and said, you know attack the next person without a Without a face covering let's say right There's a lot of people that would do it Because you know they're in the grip of this madness that I was talking about so to getting back to your point My perspective of it Is I already feel that this planet and the human race is under this thrall them. No pun intended, right? This cosmic vacillage if you will they're already under control by an alien Probably more than one alien race the reptilians being one of the The usual suspects in our example so If something like a fake alien invasion happens It's because these non-human players behind the scenes want it to happen and the technology exists to To fool people basically These people will believe anything No matter how absurd and no matter how illogical So Whether it's a fake alien invasion or some other big lie It just history is just a never seemingly a never any succession of big lies And and and the real shame of it all is Anyone that had the self-worth And would put the time and effort into it could find out almost anything they want and would Be able to refute In no time flat So many of these big mainstream lies, but you know the path of least resistance is just to Take on board everything that a perceived master authority figure tells them right so You know the point being that they will believe anything they're told The easiest thing to do is to scare people the easiest thing to do is to make people hate in direct rage at a person Donald trump for example or an institution or a certain demographic Nothing simpler than directing Rage, you know this this angst and this anxiety and fear which they've already engendered and all these people Whether it's to direct rage in a certain direction or to engender just mindless animalistic fear In the captive population Nothing simpler either way. It's the easiest thing to do So I don't I'm not I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that they will pull the stunt like that But you know my qualification is that it would be aliens Ironically behind it all that that would be And and I say this after You know in depth study and also if you want to go back into the history the etymology Of the ancient languages Aramaic Hebrew Latin About the source of archons the source of serpents remember At one time the predominant religion on earth was serpent worship, right serpent worship of all things so the The existence of these reptilians is embedded is encoded In numerous languages and if you want to get a guest on here that'll give you an earful about that That would be p. R. Saabak who I've had on my show. He's well known in our field. He's he spent decades studying the aramaic studying the Egyptian studying the Hebrew and Latin and the Greek and and he just found in this huge corpus of of information from way back when that They're all saying in their own way That there are these beings who come here in craft that Have this abiding interest in the human race and Very often interfere with the human race and do things and present themselves as gods literal gods So that's a person that I encourage you listeners to plug into his work. His name is p. R. Saabak s a d a k Yeah, I'm just going to interject here and say we've also got to be careful Because the civilizations that have gone before us If they appear to be far more advanced than us with with respect to understanding like the whole shaban You just look at the pyramids, you know when you when you consider that they could they were The the theory is now coming out is that they were built to produce energy in the same way that tesla was able to Produce energy and you look at the materials that they were fashioned from the water running that runs the the deep water that runs underneath The copper that's been used in In this I believe it's copper The the fact that they would have been gold capped originally It shows you that these ancient civilizations And i'm not talking about the egyptians that we know we we don't know if this Goes back years and years again That they knew way more than us, but one thing they also Were very Familiar with was the concept of the kundalini Getting your body in perfect alignment with the universe and new experience this natural hide. It's just Makes life So worth living i talk about this a lot because it's just a great place to Uh a great place to live and when when you understand Why you have to be in this spiritual place in order to make a connection with the universe and be a force for good in the world And when you're in that place you want you don't need anything you can't buy You couldn't buy me like a Ferrari and it's going to make me any happier Than if i sit in the garden with with with the sun on my face It it becomes you know all this greed this hate this bitterness this bigotry There's one it it it goes when you make that connection So of course the elites They don't want you to make that connection. That's why they keep you indoctrinated in your angry in your childlike left brain because they don't want you to Uh Access the right hemisphere of your brain and this goes back to the the Garden of Eden story where adam and eve went east of eden they they moved to the right hemisphere of their brain and then that that axis that opens you up to enlightenment then but What we do have to be aware of when we talk about reptiles and snakes and this is that the The symbol for the cundalini is the snake wrapped around the staff Very often deuchess the caduceus and that's all that's also the symbol of the American medical association in america Yeah, and american songs front Sorry medicine songs frontiers that it's traditionally always been Put there right in front of your face and yet you will never find um A general practitioner where you might find one or two, but you're never going to find a doctor that knows anything about that I went to my gp lately and I talked about You know alkaline diet Which for people listening know it doesn't mean that you become alkaline because that's just as bad as being acidic It means that you recognize your body as a living entity has a ph Balance and it's really important to respect that with with what you put into your body My doctor was like What's that? This is a person that's supposed to fix you when you're ill Well, I I did a commentary lately on my podcast and called it Rockefeller reptile medicine because uh When the Rockefellers back in the day through the power of the Phil the philosophical grants right which they would Form money ostensibly for these philosophical altruistic purposes they ported the education port into the medical field and they entirely re-engineered Medicine as we know it it went from more tradition based till this Pharmaceutical base and the root for pharmaceutical is Pharmacopia, which is sorcery is what it really means. Yeah, so and they adopted Louis pastors germ theory Even though Louis pastor ended his life saying I was wrong They adopted this notion that you you get sick from other people As opposed to you get sick from from from within But going back to the the snake and the reptile thing It's just important that we acknowledge in many cultures gone by Ancient cultures that they they knew this cundoline experience. It was it's what they probably lived for And hence some of the serpent symbology A reptile symbology is it actually represents that as opposed to like a sort of An entity so to speak or a living um Entity I mentioned that because I've seen David. I Speak about such things and I look this this is Reptile and it's like no no that that represents the chakras, you know this seven-headed snake or whatever represents uh, you it's represent your body's by it, you know Biology and how that biology interacts with yeah, the wheels of the chakras you know up and down the Spinal column. Yeah, of course the chakras and the palms your hands your kneecaps your elbows are smaller Chakras all over. So Yeah, I don't think that the The the serpent iconography the Uh serpent symbolism is a always depict something of evil necessarily. I think that it It goes both ways because like for example in in china even in modern times Dragons are perceived as You know wise benevolent Beings, right? They don't not regarded with Fear and trepidation as they were in in old europe right dragon so-called So, I mean it runs the gamut and just like everything else in our reality It's based on dualities. The problem is that you know, the more parasitic Or contact beings if you will They seem to Have more sway and more influence in our world, but What you pointed out, you know the power of our heart center The electromagnetic dynamo which resides within all of us which can be measured You know quite some distance outside of our physical body. It's It connects us to all that is So when one thinks about how much time and effort they put into Inclocating this the shame-based belief in ourselves And making us believe in limitations of ourselves And how worthless we are and instill all this fear and anxiety and trepidation in this. I mean They must really fear us to get to go to all that trouble To make us, you know crawl into a shell as a world You know as as it is, but you look around it It's had quite an effect on a lot of other people So if you know if we make an effort to stay grounded stay embodied But just remember that you know, we are multi-dimensional infinity And this is not our first go-round. A lot of us. I'm a firm believer in reincarnation So this is not our first barbecue. A lot of us admit this may be Humanities at least this version of humanity 4.0 9.0 whatever it is This may seem like, you know, the darkest hour, right? But I would also say it has a potential to be our finest hour I do believe that a lot of us chose to be here Now we could have incarnated any other time in history And not have to be here, but we made the choice to be here because each one of us Can make a difference and I I know that a lot of your listeners and viewers Are are carrying the torch too. I know that they're making a difference in society Never underestimate the power of one one determined man one determined woman To to make a difference in this world and that's the key not fall for their gains Not get pulled into their false flags and not get Suckered into, you know, some kind of act that can be manipulated and spun out Give them the justification for more oppression and what have you resistance Can manifest in many forms, but it's it comes from within it comes from the heart it comes from the mind And then one does not have to be physically violent in order to resist I mean, if you walk into a store and you treat it disrespectfully Because you're not adorned with something on your head or your face And you just turn around you take your business elsewhere Yeah That's that's how I deal with such issues. It's I'm not going to let them upset my equilibrium That's that's a failing on my part Massively James listen We were going to talk for an hour weren't we and we've gone We've gone It just shows how much I enjoy talking about this stuff and exploring all the possibilities But I love talking to you mate. You're such a Wonderful man Thank you, and I feel the same way about you You're doing a tremendous job and you did a great job getting that That pair of guy on your shoulder the other day. That was brilliant. Yeah, you know We're in a spiritual battle and we we need to start understanding this for what it is And majority of it is fear-based If you're going out doing certain things in sight because you're afraid of Maybe you will end up with something that that ain't that they've got you that is control It is control. We're all perfect beings in the universe We're we're all the same. We're all made of the same stuff Love empathy kindness is the only way There is no place in it for fear Because one thing we do know is we're made from carbon. We cannot go anywhere Any molecule in my little fate it's been here since the dawn of time. It will be here forever and ever This is just an it's not an illusion But it's this this whole thing about creating people's identities It's just so that they live in fear worry about what they look like what car do they drive what job have they got what house Do they think you know, what is this person thinking me? What is it? It's just it's all an illusion It's absolutely illusion Live for the now you get one time in this space. So perhaps I don't know but um to To spend any of that precious what it was it maybe we were here for 80 years or something to spend any of it in fear uh, and and disenlightenment Unenlightenment it life's too short Life is too short and people that are pushing fear-based narratives They got signs on their shops. They've got people their staff are like Wearing weird things Right, don't go there Do not go. This is this is your children. They are putting in a cage for the rest of their life on behalf of these entities be they Psychopaths or be there's some some something higher there that we we're not too sure about yet, but whatever it is It's your reality will be What you create in your mind and that's why I will never live in fear. I will never Count out to somebody else's immoral agenda um Because you get one life. It's just worth living So james massive Thank you again friends at home if you could like and subscribe that would be really kind if you could support the patreon Because let's be honest. How much did we pay to bbc all these years until people woke up and stopped paying paying that that criminal charge? um We paid them a lot of money, didn't we we're not asking for that on the podcast. We just said pay us £1.99 a month. It's half the price of a cup of coffee. It's not a lot Because where where you're not going to hear this stuff on the bbc You know, you're not going to hear this on the mainstream media and it's important to support the truth and It's a war out there and it's really important to you know Pick your sides carefully and support them. Anyway, I've said enough much love to everyone We'll see you next time