 Today's quotation is as we express our gratitude we must never forget that the highest appreciation is not to utter words But to live by them I'll call her a 16th regular council regular meeting of the common council order madam city clerk, please call the roll Bowman D. Berg Eberg Serta Davis graph Kittleson Manny Myer Montemayor Racky Sigali Stefan Susha Van Akron and Vander wheel 16 present course present approval of the minutes all over off Thank you, your honor. I move that the minutes of the previous time on ground. Would you please put your mic on? Thank you, sir. I Would then move that the minutes of the previous common council meeting be accepted as entered on the record and the same-stand approval There's a motion and a second any discussion There being on all those favorite state I high and the opposed motion carries Pledge of Allegiance. I'd asked Alderman Vander wheel to lead us To the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you Alderman Vander wheel Madam city clerk public forum I'm sorry mayor's appointments Blue Harbor resort convention center committee Paulette Enders director of city development Alderman Elden Berg Alderman person Vicki Meyer Rick Peterson representative from Blue Harbor Claudia Reinbolt representative of lodging establishment Susan Humley representative of lodging establishment and Richard Hartman citizen member at large All firms expiring 4706 signed by the mayor Those appointments will lie over now. We'll move on to public forum. Thank you First on the list for public forum is Scott Lewandusky and Scott could you give me your home address, please? 2201 Erie Avenue 2201 Erie and You will have five minutes sir. I would like to thank mayor Perez So Richard's and a member that a common counsel for allowing me to speak tonight I'm here tonight to speak about taking more and more money from the wallets and purses of Sheboygan citizens and misleading these citizens a Few weeks ago to this common counsel voted to go forward with the municipal court Even though it is projected to lose at least sixty five thousand dollars One of the reasons given for going forward with this court is that the people of Sheboygan could save money on fines But now committees have already voted to raise the filing fee for the municipal court and are now discussing raising fines So instead of saving money the citizens of Sheboygan will be paying more than was first expected When the municipal court was approved Also being talked about is continuing the wheel tax even though it is to be phased out in 2007 as voted on by a previous common counsel When the municipal court was being voted on all the person said we can't always vote against something a previous common counsel approved This wheel tax is also unfair as there are many people from caller Sheboygan Falls Plymouth and other places that use our roads And don't have to pay to tax There are many tax peers in Sheboygan who have had a cut their spending Because their wages are not going up due to working less hours or being on a fixed income They can't go to their boss and say I need more money and it's given to them yet This common counsel is continually asking their bosses to tax peers for more money Instead of living within their means More and more people of Sheboygan cannot afford this They are being hit twice by having to pay more in taxes and then they also have to pay more for gas heating fuel food Etc. Maybe six dollars for the wheel tax isn't much But multiplied at towards the number of cars that they may have plus the storm water fee plus the tax rate going up and The total isn't so small anymore This common counsel needs to be more fiscally responsible just like the tax peers of Sheboygan are being forced to do That people of Sheboygan are not an unlimited source of money Finally Thanksgiving is coming up in a few days It's a time that we think about what we are thankful for I may not always agree with what the mayor Common counsel and other city officials do But I am thankful for the many many hours that each one of you puts into your jobs Being on four city committees myself and one school committee I realize how much time it takes and I want to thank each one of you for the time and effort you put in And I also want to wish all the citizens of Sheboygan a happy Thanksgiving. That's all I have. Thank you Scott Next on the list is mr. Ernest M. Kepler. Mr. Kepler, could you come up to the mic, please? And I would need your home address 25 33 Lakeshore Drive Sheboygan Good evening I'm here once again to protest the high-property taxes in Sheboygan I'm asking the this council, please pass a 2006 budget that results in a tax decrease If not, then the only allowable increase would be a zero increase. I Measure property taxes by the actual dollar amount that I spend This means that if the property values go up the tax rate should go down accordingly To decrease property taxes the council needs of course to decrease spending Well, there are numerous ways to accomplish this There is an area that will have an immediate impact on spending and that is health care coverage regarding all city employees It is my understanding that some public employees pay nothing and some a very small amount of their health care cost as provided by their employer the taxpayers I Realize that this is not an easy subject to approach or will it be popular to those on the receiving end? But it must be addressed When reviewing the high level of wages and salaries paid to Sheboygan City employees They certainly can afford to pay an appreciable amount of their health care coverage I propose that the city employees pay towards their health care cost at least at the same rate as what people working in the private sector of the economy pay Examples of this are for a man and a wife There is typically a hundred dollar a month premium with an additional five hundred dollar deductible before any coverage begins And that's per individual or a thousand dollars per couple Then there is a co-pay of at least 25 to 30 percent This coverage ends when employment ends either by termination or by retirement This relates to both managerial and labor positions While managerial employees have been participating in this type of program for more than 25 years Those considered non managerial or label are also involved and are participating more and more every year Reference of this has just been in the news the past few weeks with the renegotiation or contract concessions of the UAW and General Motors For those of us on Medicare We all will be we will all be paying eighty eight dollars per person per month beginning in two thousand six Added to this is a monthly supplemental insurance of an average of Hundred and twenty two hundred and thirty dollars per person Some people may pay more For a man and a wife that's equates to about five thousand dollars annually this coverage is only for what Medicare provides No, I care no dental no selected health care needs are covered. This also excludes any prescription drugs For me there is no complaint regarding the quality of the public employees From my viewpoint they're all doing an adequate job We the taxpayers just no longer can afford to pay for our own health care needs Plus those in the public employment Especially considering the fact that the pay of most if not all public jobs is higher than a comparable skill or discipline in the private sector Please remember that if there is no tax decrease, then please let's have no tax increase. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Kepler That's it Thank you madam clerk Next item on the agenda is a mayor's comments There's three items. I'd like to just briefly touch on and then we'll move on to our budget hearing First item is the mayor's live show that debuted last week. It's called 30 minutes with your mayor and it's a live show televised out of council chamber chambers and The purpose of the show is to give the public an opportunity to get to know what is going on daily and at City Hall Invite alderman to participate in the show if they so wish I invite the public to participate in the show if they so wish The the format of the first show was simply to have guests I will probably continue to do that and then open it up to maybe a little bit more of different format The first guests were Paulette Anders and Mr. Pete Fullerton and we talked about the deterioration of our housing stock And how we need to take some action in that area and some of the services that are provided by health inspections of the department We didn't have a big showing of public listeners We hope that gets better if it doesn't the show is still aired alive and it's aired periodically Before the next show so there's plenty of opportunity for the public to see that The next item I'd like to comment on briefly is a budget as It stands now The city tax levy We were by statute allowed no more than three point three percent increase in our levy which reflects a four percent increase over last over the last budget Compared to the six percent increase of the oh five So the budget is a lot less than the previous one Also, the the assessed tax rate the oh five budget was had an increase of four point seven This one as it stands now has a one point five percent increase in the rate Now I know that some of you have talked to me about having a zero percent increase in the rate And that's your that's your option what I have done and what mr. Gebhardt have done is try to put a budget together that reflects your wishes When you ask for when you approve a new police station and new fire station and other projects all those Come with costs so that budget that mr. Gebhardt and I put together reflects that if there are some adjustments that you like to make you have that option also to make those Amendments next Monday when we actually passed the budget tonight is not the night to make any motions There are no documents on your desk to make motions with respect to the budget It's a it's a listening session for listening here and for the public and that's all we're doing tonight Each of you will have received this particular form And this is a form that I'd like to ask you to use if you if you have in mind of any Amendments that you'd like to make to the budget this will make things easier for mr. Gebhardt myself and even our city clerk It's a it's a handy tool that mr. Gebhardt put together Because we anticipate that perhaps some alderman may want to make some changes to the final budget and it's going to make things move a little smoother and Get get the job done so again today is listening is a hearing for the the budget next week Is the approval of the budget if there is members of the public they would like to speak I will ask the alderman to open up the floor So that the public and speak because next week is not really a hearing But it's it's the past passage of the budget But it will provide that opportunity to the public to speak to the council that day also But it will require council action to open the floor Finally Thanksgiving's coming up we have a lot to be thankful for hasn't been an easy year Prepare yourself brace yourself for an even more difficult year next year Things are not going to get easy, but we do have a lot to be thankful for we've moved this city forward together Pros and cons agreement and disagreement. We've done a good job, and I'm very pleased with the council Want to wish you every one of you and the public a happy Thanksgiving The next item on the agenda will be the budget hearing Is there anyone that would like to address? The council with respect to the budget we will have a three-minute time limit per person, and I will ask for your name and address Sir, please come up My name is David Aiden and how do you spell your last name David I? DEN EID EN and your home address 26 of 6 South 9th Street. Sheboygan South 9th, and You will have three minutes, sir. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome Approximately between 10 and 11 years ago my wife and I moved here from Wasa to accept a job in the area And one of the things that we really enjoyed about the area once we once we came upon it was the various Things that you had to offer in this area the various parks and other attractions But the one thing that stuck in our mind the most especially once Upon the birth of both of our children as they grew older was our city library We think of it as a great asset to to the city not only to the city But I think to the county in the surrounding area, and that's in fact one of our favorite memories Was being able to the first two years we moved here was seeing like the water fountain going seeing how beautiful library is Hum how well is maintained? Unfortunately within the last three years Something's happened that we're kind of distressed about the fact that the library seems to be getting Substandard funding now. I realize everybody knows that budgets are tight state revenues aren't exactly not going up but the last year in particular we are unhappy about because They want to cut the budget an additional 10% which is like 10% of their operating budget like two hundred and six thousand dollars And that's going to get to the point where even some of the staff is going to have to end up getting laid off And or as it is already when we go to the library and take the kids to the children's library quite a bit You know, you begin to wonder how long before the quality materials that my children and my family can get are going to be unavailable Or the library itself in many cases as you all know was closed on Fridays from any case until the point where they use their contingency fund in order to open it up now One thing I thought about is okay. What can we do to save money for that? Well, two things we could do and none of them are going to be very one It's not going to be very popular at all and that's similar to what the guy spoke up before I'm suggesting to we have a seven and a half million dollar insurance. You pay seven and a half million dollars a year for insurance funds Now one of the things that could save money is yes Same with me where I work the moment you retire You don't get insurance think about the money that would that would be saved and could be a could be applied if You know, and I'm sorry. I'm just really sorry that this has to be but hey We're tight if it's to the point where we have to cut money for assets in our city Hey, somebody's got to bite the bull too also another thing which I thought about too is this is interesting I read about this. There was a letter in the other on Sunday Alderman Bonnie Seedout tried to attach an agenda material 15-1 to remove a hundred and twenty five thousand dollars of tax Pay or funding that the Board of Parks and Furor forestry had recommended now my question is Okay, was this money that we're borrowing because I did remember I did some research I found out we also got a block grant for $400,000 and my question is why is that hundred and twenty-five thousand dollars then? Why couldn't we put that towards something that the city could use the library for an example or something else? So your time is up. Okay. Thank you very much for coming in. Thanks. Thank you Is there anyone else that would like to address the council? Please ma'am And can I have your name, please? Darlene, Nardi And Darlene, what is your home address 1747 Camelot Boulevard 1727 47 47 And you will have three minutes, okay? I thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak as a taxpayer I say no to any tax increase I commend you on your reviewing of the Mead Public Library budget and saving us a lot of money as Representatives for the taxpayer I'm assuming that you will be reviewing the budgets of other departments and city services in like manner This saving us more money Again, I say no to any tax increase Thank you very much Is there someone else it would like to address a council, please and could you please state? Excuse me your name and home address, please Henry Capitello 1619 North 38th Street And that's in the town of Sheboygan, but I'm here as representative of home Inc. Who is a taxpayer in the city of Sheboygan? You'll have three minutes, sir. Okay I again echo the sentiments of some of the other speakers that I feel that We should not have any tax increase the reason I say this is if you look at as as a taxpayer You have to pay taxes Every year whether the the city increases their tax or the county or the school system It would be nice for one year that we have no tax increase from any of the governmental entities that tax the taxpayer and Actually have in fact, I would I would propose that you look at maybe giving us a tax cut Where you actually reduce the tax levy that that is imposed in the taxpayer and You know you're gonna get to the point where you will not be able to get the taxes that you need because the people just aren't gonna be able to afford it and One of my suggestions is to and I know that the the council has already looked at this and has gone a different direction But you know the county hired someone to look at all of their staffing within their their Organization to look at where they could consolidate Duties where they could eliminate positions I would seriously say that the city needs to do that and if you look at this and if there's positions that you can consolidate that you can Reduce by by all means do that To to lessen the tax burden to the taxpayer one of the other areas that I looked at and I had some information I Look at some of the overtime that's paid for the police department And I would be one of the first advocates for the police department and I would say that under police patrol You're looking at a hundred ninety two thousand dollars of overtime in two thousand and four two hundred and twenty five thousand in two thousand and five I Look at this and I and I say you know what that tells me it's that That there's not enough police officers You may want to consider hiring additional police officers and maybe that would bring down the cost of overtime Because if if you're looking at it as much over time as this you're definitely shorthanded a lot of the police officers are having to work Additional shifts and I think that that reflects that they're understaffed. I think that in the long run you might actually save money there These are some of the things that that Although you you may not reduce a lot of money But you know what it may be more cost-effective to do that to hire additional police officers The other area that I looked at is one of the things when you look at some of the departments that that don't spend their money You know in one year and want to carry it over to another year. I bring an example where we have one for equipment You know where you're looking at Several hundred Time is up. I'm sorry. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you for coming out Is there someone else that would like to address the council? Is there anyone else? Please sir Could you I had five minutes, but I only have three minutes, so I'm got to speak very quickly Could you just take it out ski two six three two north a street? I've attended most I've attended most of the Meade library Meeting so I think that I can speak with some authority on the Meade library library budget first of all the budget was proposed by the Meade library finance committee and The Meade library Director said that Richard Gephard Told her to add three percent to the library budget, which he did When I asked at the same meeting Since you already have fifty three thousand dollars in the 205 budget Which was to be spent for three percent raises and another fifty three thousand in the two six 206 budget plus you're asking the city for an eighty four thousand dollar increase In fine and funding plus thirty three thousand dollar increase From the county which adds up to about two hundred and twenty three thousand dollars additional Do you need that money to run the library and keep the services as you are today and the answer was yes We are no longer allowed to ask questions at the meetings because they Because of questions like that that we asked they no longer allow anybody in the audience to ask any questions There's been some discussion regarding the library staff salaries and That is totally up to the library board trustees You have nothing to do with that and you can't really affect that however You do not have to fund at that level that allows excessive salaries to be paid at the library The library director, excuse me the board of trustees compares the library director to the police of chief to the police chief okay Who has a ten million dollar budget a hundred and thirty employees? Where the library has a three point five million dollar budget and forty nine employees and by the way chief she makes more money than you do Okay So let's compare the library to another department that makes three that has a budget of three point five million They have fifty three important employees the library has forty nine They serve the city and the public more hours than the library actually has in in their service Delivery if you were to bring that department that city department up to the same salary level of their top management as The library you would have to increase increase the director salary by twenty six thousand dollars per year the assistant Director salary by twenty six thousand dollars You'd have to create a maintenance director for forty eight thousand and a new PR position for fifty one thousand dollars If I asked you to finance that department for a hundred fifty one thousand dollars more plus benefits which would bring it over to over Two hundred thousand dollars. I think you would say that's crazy because we're not going to have any increase in service to the public Well, then why and have his name would you finance the library in the same way? Mr. Akalski your time is up Thank you very much. Thank you Is there anyone else I would like to address the council is there anyone else Is there anyone else that would like to address the council? All in the graph I would move that the hearings be closed There's a motion a second to close the hearing Is there any discussion on that? They're being on the old and favorite state I Opposed motion carries Consent agenda all in graph. Thank you, your honor, but before we start the consent agenda at this time I'd like to pull forward doc document 15 57 Which is a resolution creating? Creating describing and making certain findings and approving project plan for tax income in district number 13 the city of Shaboy and I had moved that the resolution be put upon its passage There's motion a second to put resolution 15 57 upon its passage under discussion Alderman Montemayor Thank you, your honor What could Paulette Enders, please explain a bit of this to us so we understand this Anders please step forward Thank You mayor and Common Council. I think many of you know About this project. We've talked about it over the past several months. This is the landmark project and it's between seventh and sixth just north of the Wells Fargo property and it will be a part of the Shaboy and retirement home and It's our 13th tiff district and this one's a little bit different in that it's a pay-as-you-go So that the debt isn't initially kind of undertaken by the city It's undertaken by the developer and the payments are paid back to the developer through the increment That's generated and it was approved by the finance commission. It's gone through plan commission and also also through the Tiff board the joint review board and we do have the developers here tonight. If you have any questions for them Allerman any questions? Okay. Thank you All of us usha Thank You, mr. Mayor. I don't have a question for the developers. I guess I have a question more so for the city attorney There are some aspects of this project that I really like I like the fact that it's a shortened time frame and that We're just isolating it to one project and the reason that I'm going to support this is I've been Under the impression that the previous proposal to put this type of long-term care facility up In the past was going to be a nonprofit and we would not get any money back on the tax rolls And I'm just wondering when we go into the final contract if you will be putting any type of clause in there You know I'd hate to set up this tiff district for ten years and in the eleventh year They turn into a nonprofit organization and the city never Realizes the benefit from the addition to the tax base Is there any way that we can put into the final document that they cannot become a nonprofit? Entity in the next 25 years upterm clean Thank You your honor all of us usha We don't have exactly that language in the proposed development agreement, but we have something similar in several several places it's an obligation of the developer to Number one they acknowledge and Represent that the their project will be taxable number two we have a provision in there that In any condominium declaration that is created that it be placed as a Declaration in the condominium documents that the the property would remain taxable Third there's provision that in the event Unlikely event that the property ever would not be taxable that they would Agree and their heirs and assigns and successors would agree that they would pay payments in lieu of taxes Equivalent to what the taxes would be not only to the city of Sheboygan, but to the other taxing entities the county school district and LTC We had one meeting with the developers to discuss the development agreement last Wednesday, I believe and The developers had an opportunity to review the development agreement they had some issues in the agreement, but not with respect to taxability So they're in agreement that and recognize that the property will be taxable it's intended to be taxable and There's also comes to mind again provisions in there that they will take no No steps either actively or passively to propose or to support Tax exemption for the for the property. So I think we've got it covered as well as we can in an agreement I Appreciate your concern on that that there was comment to that effect also at the At the public hearing before the planning Commission, so we were pretty careful on putting language to that effect in Thank you turn him clean Okay, we will take a roll call on that I'm sorry Call the roll D-Berg E-Berg Serta Davis graph Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Sigali Stefan Susha then Akron Vanderwheel and Bellman 16 eyes Motion carries now we will move on to consent agenda all in the graph Thank You your honor Right I'm 16 1 through 16 35 I would move that our all our O's be accepted in place on file all our C's be accepted and adopted We pass the resolutions and the general ordinances There's motions are second They're second under discussion hall of ensucia Thank You mr. Mayor. I would like to ask that document number 16 22. Please be referred back to public protection and safety 1622 We'll be referred back All women Sarah, thank you your honor Excuse me. Oh, excuse me. Just everyone. Please note in case you didn't catch it 622 will be for back public protection safety almost there Thank you. Thank you, your honor. I'm asking that 1620 would be referred to salary and grievance 1620 We'll be referred to salary and grievance. Thank you all miss her Any other all of them Stefan? Thank you, your honor. I just have some questions on 1632. I wondered if Tom Holt could just give us an overview of that, please 1632 okay, mr. Tom Holton, would you please step up sir? This is the development agreement With Walmart concerning road improvements mr. Holton We started this project with Walmart The DOT wanted us to look at roundabouts on on Washington Avenue That's their initiative before traffic sales want to put roundabouts where they can and they came back We're pulling one five roundabouts down there at County a at both ramps on the interstate at Taylor Drive and that Green Wing Drive So that led to numerous meetings and discussion to get rid of those roundabouts out there I'm hearing what would happen to the traffic someone come in the town They wouldn't come back once they got out if they did get out of there They came back then that they would get rid of the roundabouts at a Both ramps on interstate and at Washington Avenue and Taylor, but they wanted the one at Green Wing so we said we'd take a look at that so we met with property owners and had some further discussions and There was right away issues some of the pripe owners did not want it there to impacted their properties severely parking So then we went back to DOT and said we didn't want that last roundabout So they met came back and said okay. You got to put in the year 20,000 15 improvements, so it's the improvements for 2015 are for Developments that would take place between now in 2015. We got vacant 75 acres south of where Walmart's going We have a cutie could be further expanding. We have property to the west we could be expanding so This one through capital improvements. That's for additional turn lanes and of different directions and signals I'm not signals the moving signals for roughly I think about $800,000 Any other questions almost effin I guess I understood that all that I just wanted where's the money coming from and I know what We passed this it was with the explicit understanding that Walmart was paying for all the infrastructure improvements And if I you know from what I've been hearing they're not paying for this and I just like to understand why they're not paying for this Because this is for future development. There are problems down there now Walmart's paying for the problems down there now and what Their additional traffic development will take place, but that'll do that area down there So these improvements are if we build everything built today There's going to be additional traffic generator from the vacant land that development and that's what these improvements Would to handle and it's from the tiff 8 Which expires I think next year a few more years ago Okay, any other questions? Okay, thank you Okay, moving in 16 1 to 16 35 with the exceptions again of 16 20 and 16 16 22 which will be referred further to committee Please call the roll Eberg Serta Davis Graf Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke Sugali Stefan Susha van Akron van der wheel Thalman and D bird Thank you motion carries report of officers to 16 36 lies over to November 28th 1637 lies over to December 19th 1638 lies over to November 28th 1639 to 1650 to be referred Resolution Almond Manny with those I would like to pull document 1647 1647 and asked that the rules be suspended to deal with one issue on that document We need to make a motion to spend the rules The second all those in favor state I I you oppose Okay, and your motion was thank you On the document we have the transfer of Tavern license That's what we'd like to deal with tonight The issue is that Diamond Dave's taco company in the mall has moved They were unaware that they need a license change with that address change They have had a temporary license to be open this weekend and Unless we go ahead and grant the new license immediately They will be shut down until the next legal time what they could be open They're a productive business a good citizen. I've had a great record and I move to approve the transfer license There's a motion in a second to approve the transfer of a license regarding 1647 Please call the rule I'm sorry under discussion. Mr. Odom Stephan. Thank you your honor. I guess I'm just confused I don't have a problem with it, but I'm looking at 1647 You know I see as beverage operators license and Dexacab licenses All of them Stephan when we do the arrows that you pick up on early in the week This is not updated until Monday, but the committee just got an updated version which has this on that's why you don't see it on there Okay, the new one will be With this transfer on it's just that we didn't have it when you guys got yours We okay over Stephan, okay, thank you any further discussion They're being on please call the rule and this is just to pass the transfer The rest will be still referred to law and licensing Eberg Serta Davis Graf Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor Ratki Sigali Stephan Susha Van Akron Vanderwheel Bowman And Dberg 16 eyes motion carries Resolutions introduced 3 1651 by Alderman graph except in proposal number 2 0 3 5 5 of triad engineering incorporation for EP EPA brownfields revolving loan fund grant application assistance Alderman graph Thank you, your honor. I'd move that that resolution you put upon its passage We need a suspension suspension first. I'm sorry. I'd ask for suspension Second all those in favor said aye aye opposed please proceed and I would move that the resolution be put upon its passage Zero second. There's a motion the second put resolution 1651 upon its passage any discussion They're being on please call the roll Serta Davis graph Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor Ratki Sigali Stephan Susha Van Akron Vanderwheel Bowman Dberg and Eberg 16 eyes motion carries 1652 lies over 1653 to 1660 to be referred Alderman D. Berg thank you your honor Document 1656 if you don't mind I would like to Pull forward and have a roll call vote on that please I'm sorry. You're you're It's being referred. Are you making a motion for something? Yes, I make it a motion to to what bring 1656 to what do you what would you like to do with that take a vote on that? But to do what to do what with it to pass it file it fire. I would like to have this yeah to file okay, so Okay, okay, cut me off card. I didn't know what you wanted to do. I didn't know it first because it's been referred Because it's being referred and you want to pull it out to take action And we need to know what the action is in form of a motion You're making a motion to file the file. Is there a second there's a second to the motion to file under discussion Okay, sir. Thank you under discussion. I'd like to say that the city shabuigan Everybody knows we're struggling for some Financial backing and things like this and when we have a lot of good people in the city Shabuigan that are willing to step forward with their money to help the city out no matter which way they can do it and if they want to donate their Finances to the city and stay anonymous. We should not be bickering and Telling him to come forward and make themselves known. I think if they we should not be picking and choosing When we're struggling for finances, so I would I would hope that the rest of you support me in filing this Document. Thank you. Thank you all of them Berg all of them and Ratke Thank you, your honor I'd like to have this referred to public protection safety if we could please so we can discuss this in the committee Okay, there needs to be a motion and a second. There's a second. I'm sorry who seconded the Fallenberg just so you know there's a motion There's a motion to refer so Pardon me all my graph. I thought filing took precedence over refer out to the committee. I was told that Referring to a standing. I believe takes precedence over filing Okay, everybody clear on that there was a motion made to file in the second Under discussion subsequent motion made to refer to a standing committee which takes precedence meaning we need to vote on the motion to refer Back to which committee all right public protection and safety On the motion to refer 1656 by all men Ratke prohibited in the city from except accepting anonymous donations for any type of weapons Motion on the floor. Please call the roll Davis graph Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor Ratke So golly Stefan Sushia Van Akron Vanderweel Bowman D Berg Eberg Serda Four nos and I'm sorry four yeses and 12 noes Motion fails the motion on the floor is to file. Please call the roll Excuse me Alderman Sushia Like to implement a three-man hold please Here's a three alderman Hold on I challenge the ruling of the chair Wonder what grounds Alderman Berg Challenge to the ruling of the chair you ruled a three-man hold This is a three-man hold and there's a ruling of the chair the ruling of the chair is non-debatable Finding that you don't prevail with the rule of the chair means the three-man hold is available Trying to clean Do you have do you have some authority behind your comments or you just I didn't follow your I don't follow it either. Please explain Okay, if I could If the chair rules for a three-man hold that's a decision of the chair The decision of the chair is a challengeable event The challenge is a challenge and bull event that I believe is non-debatable And therefore if the ruling of the chair is overturned, so is the three-man hold That's correct I'm going to call it just so we I'm going to call it just so we can call a vote on the challenge The challenge will require majority vote to overrule Is that a majority or three-quarter a majority I believe Majority vote Okay Call the chair has been challenged It will require majority vote to over overturn that should that happen. We'll go back to the filing anybody got that Please call the rule. Okay. You want to repeat that because it looks like Okay, hold on hold on go ahead We're going to take a Vote on the challenge. Okay, so and I will overturn My call and your call is Recognize the chair of three-man hold Is everybody clear? Graf No Kittleson Manny Meyer If you would know the three-man hold holds If if any alderman vote know the three-man hold will stay in place if you vote yes Then that's defeated and we go back to filing the document Now Alderman Kittleson. Do you want to change your vote? I think you would On I go ahead if you vote no the three-man hold holds if you vote. Yes, it goes back to It'll be it'll be on the floor again as a motion and under discussion. I may ask alderman You're free to do this Doesn't hurt one single bit to send it to committee We get used to filing things on the floor without giving alderman committees the opportunity to do their job This is why we have standing committees You are free to do that Well, I ask that you have a little bit more deference For the work of the standing committees in place Please continue. Okay Graf you want to know Kittleson I Ann Manny Okay, Meyer Montemayor Radke Segali Stefan No Sushia No Van Ackren Aye Vanderweel Aye Baumann Aye D-Berg Aye E-Berg Aye Serda Aye Davis Nine eyes seven no's Okay Motion passes a challenge to sustain Go back to filing there's a motion on the floor to file the document 1666 Please call the roll 1656 56 and this is a motion to file so the aye vote would be to file Everybody clear Excuse me Yes Alderman Sushia Is it under discussion? Yeah One more time Yes ma'am Okay I would just ask that you not file this document and come to public protection and safety And find out the reason this really doesn't have anything to do with weapons It has more to do with people giving anonymous gifts to the city and what they want in return So I would suggest that you all not file this and allow due process And come to the committee to listen to the discussion. Thank you Any further discussion? Alderman Stefan Thank you your honor At just a point of order if there's something to be discussed certainly that could be brought up now and we could discuss it now and it could You know it's nothing that prohibits us from discovering this right now It's on the floor motion is to file so If there's something to be said say it Alderman Kittleson Thank you your honor. I I guess I would feel the same way. I'm not understanding what's going on here And and if there's something to discuss let's get it out and discuss it and then we can make a decision A little easier here Just for everybody's information Standing committees have a job to do a lot of times when documents are referred they're referred So that alderman have an opportunity To gather their data and the information to present and so that people can attend that that meeting so they can voice their opinions to When you file on the council floor, you are denying the public and denying the alderman to have that right That's what this means. You're free to do as you please Who else call the roll? This is to file and I vote would be to file the document um Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor Ratke Segali Stefan Sushia Van Akron Vanderwill Bauman Dberg Eberg Serta Davis Graf 11 eyes five notes Motion carries report committee 6 16 61 Alderman Who's handling this one risk management? Alderman Graf Thank you, your honor. I would move that the rc be accepted and adopted There's a motion. Is there a second? There's a motion second to adopt Under discussion Alderman van Akron Your honor, I would like to open the floor to this is uh She's here tonight and she would like to speak on this Is there a time limit or anything sir? I think she only wants a few minutes. Okay, sir. There's a motion open up the floor There's a second Any discussion on that lot all those in favor state I I any opposed the floor is open to betty n Madam, please step up Betty could you just give me your home address, please six ten here on avenue six ten here on You can go ahead. I just wanted to address the council and I thank you for your time I know this has already been reviewed in a closed risk committee hearing and From the comments that I had read in the paper which kind of sprung on me, but I'm not arguing Alderman Myers had said that this was An honest mistake that was done and to be to be honest about it I agree with you that it was an honest mistake When I first moved to this City I had honestly made a mistake once too I had um, I ran a stop sign because it was covered up by a tractor trailer now that officer gave me a ticket He also gave the Driver of that tractor trailer a ticket because you couldn't see the stop sign unless you were on the sidewalk When I contested it in court The judge told me this was an honest mistake. You weren't trying to break the law But nonetheless you did and you need to be held accountable for it But I'm going to reduce your fine because it wasn't your fault So the argument here isn't whether the city did it or not They did do it the argument here is are they responsible? And if so at what point are they responsible now these items for those of you who aren't familiar with it I had unloaded my minivan to take stuff to the dump on wednesday, which is my trash day and my day off Um, I have a double-sided garage. My trash is always Between the two houses on the east side of the garage And I put all my stuff on the west side of the two-car garage where there's never any garbage And I packed it up against the side of the garage And in that was a trunk organizer Two children's car seats and then my van seats those big huge van seats that go in cars The city employees had to reach over my van seats in order to pull this stuff Out and get rid of it And I called I actually saw them and come down the driveway because I was ready to load things back in So it was just a matter of minutes that this had happened and I had called the um The sanitation department and his suggestion to him was for me to file a claim. He was really apologetic about it Um, I just wanted to present my side of the case. I know Either way I win and and what I mean by that is either I'm going to get reimbursed at some level Or I'm not going to have to pay this in my taxes So, um, I will just honor what goes goes on here, but I did want you to hear Um, my side of what was going on before you guys took a vote on this. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am Katie further discussion on 60 61 For being on please call the roll Many Motion to accept and adopt the report of committee which is to deny the claim and direct the city attorney to send a notice of Dissolones No Meyer Montemayor Radke Segali Stefan Susha No Van Akron Vander wheel Baumann Dberg No Eberg Serta Davis Graff And Kittleson Eight to eight. It's a tie vote The mayor would have to cast the Deciding vote With respect to decision of the committee, I will vote to file To accept and adopt. Okay to accept and adopt. Okay Thank you Motion carries 1662 We finance all of them graph Your honor, I would move that that RC also be accepted and placed on file and the amended proposal be improved There's motions are second The second under discussion There being no rules in favor state. I Any oppose Motion carries 1663 by special committee on risk management filing documents submitted a communication from Sheila and carla madeline guardians of the state of dinner Madeline respectfully requested an extension of the date by When they must pay off the remaining $475,000 in approval and extending the payoff date until January 16th, oh six All in the graph Thank you, your honor. I would move the RC be accepted and adopted Is there a second There's a motion and second to accept and adopt 1663 under discussion There being on please call the roll Meyer Montemay or Radke Segali Stefan Susha Van Ekron Vanderwheel Bauman Dberg Eberg Serda Davis graph Kittleson And manning 15 eyes one no Motion carries 1664 and 65 to be referred Report of committee 8 1666 to be referred Report of committee 9 1667 by law and licensing recommend and amend in several sections of the municipal code relating to start up of the municipal court Allerman Manning Thank you We have law and licensing. I uh For general ordinance 520506 I put upon its passage There's a motion to accept and adopt and put the ordinance upon its passage under discussion Allerman draw. Thank you, your honor Could you let us know or somebody let us know where this stands right now? Have we um Been able to secure a judge or isn't that um As far yet or um, where do we stand with the development of the municipal court? The development of the municipal court we have Stopped the application consideration for both positions the clerk and the judge There they have been I believe the municipal judge position has been reviewed by civil service I we did not have a good response on the judge. We had a lot better response on the clerk With respect to kohler, we have a verbal that they're willing to Become a partner in the municipal court, uh structure We do not have any written formal Approval of that of that agreement yet Anything else you'd like to add Uh, just that I did have a discussion This morning with the village of kohler's attorney and They are interested in proceeding rapidly. They they intend to introduce a A document that mirrors our municipal court ordinance for the purpose of Joining with us as a joint municipal court They're they're hoping to do that the village of kohler just meets monthly and they're hoping to do that at their december 19th meeting The advantage that would provide is that it would expand the jurisdiction from which a judge could come To be honest as the mayor says the response so far to the municipal court Judge position has been Pretty sparse. We've got an inquiry from the village of kohler from residents there if If we participate in Cost share with the village of kohler then The judge could come from either jurisdiction And it and well, I've got the floor if I could alter him to any I apologize for not talking with you about this before the meeting I Did mention at the staff meeting this morning language that I had proposed to be inserted in one portion of this ordinance I think we'll have to be deleted and that's on the The last section of the ordinance it It amendments section 2-408 sub d on the election term The last sentence I had proposed to the committee to add That the temporary appointee if not then a resident shall establish residents in the municipality within six months of appointment That that was to address problem. We've had on Finding someone within the city however, uh this morning I In double check and the state constitution Requires that a judge be a qualified elector from the jurisdiction in which the That they're covering and as it stands right now. It's just a city court so we could not Provide for even on an appointed basis For the judge to be A non-resident So I would request that that be Removed from this document before you pass it Again, if the timing works out right and we were able to join forces with coal or that would expand the boundaries and really address the same issue Well turn McLean would you articulate what the motion should read? Uh, it would be to delete the the last sentence from Uh, the proposed section 2-408 d That reads that the temporary appointee if not then a resident shall establish residents in the municipality within six months of appointment Yes rather than doing that Wouldn't it be cleaner to set it back to law and licensing and let a clean document come back to council? Because we have three meetings left this Two meetings left this year That would be possible alderman graff and that's up to you. The only concern I would have is coaler is looking to adopt their ordinance that would mirror ours By december 19th, and I hate to hold them up as to what ours actually says There's a couple of other provisions that are changing here the The election first election of the judge would be changing from The oh from the spring oh six election to the spring oh seven election and The startup of the court is provided for january 1 2006 as opposed to what we currently have is june 2005 so why would move that we revert for this to law and licensing? There's a motion to refer 1667 to law and licensing Back to law and licensing committee Is there a second motion fails for lack of a second? We will proceed alderman maddy. Would you like to incorporate that amendment that was articulated by attorney mclean to your motion, sir That's a motion to delete the last Section 2-4 away Okay, and is there a second to that amendment On discussion on the amendment Alderman, I'm sorry that i'm city clerk. You wanted to say something on this we can go ahead But before we finish I do need to say okay Alderman mani on the amendment anything Perhaps just reflecting what many of us feel especially hearing attorney mclean's comments It's appropriate that we go ahead and pass this tonight so that kola can work well with us and Have the two legal Documents be reflective of each other Thank you, sir on the amendment. Please call the roll. Did we get a second on the amendment? Thank you Montemay or ratki sagali stefan Susha Ben akron Vanderwheel Bellman D. Burke Serta Davis graph kittleson mani and mayer 15 eyes and one no on the amendment. I will Take a vote on 1667 as amended, but I believe you need to say something so that you're clear This is a substitute ordinance alderman graph. It's not the original It's a substitute and also I would ask that the law and licensing committee stop up here after the meeting because none of you signed it So I need to have you all sign it That's it Okay And this is on the motion as amended. I'm sorry the ordinance as amended ratki substitute ordinance as amended Thank you sagali stefan Susha Ben akron Vanderwheel Bellman D. Burke E. Burke Serta Davis graph Kittleson Mani Meyer And montemay on 15 eyes and one no Motion carries ordinances introduced 10 668 669 lies over 1670 to 1673 to be referred 1557 has already been pulled forward 1558 resolution numbers 160606 by alderman montemayor Approving amendment number one to the tax incremental district number 11 city of shaboyga alderman montemayor Thank you your honor. I move the resolution be put upon its passage There's a motion in second under discussion There being on please call the roll sagali Stefan Susha Van Akron Vanderwheel Bellman D. Burke E. Burke Serta Davis graph Kittleson Mani Meyer Montemayor And ratki 16 eyes Motion carries 1559 resolution number 1670506 by Alderman graph Stefan Montemayor Susha and Davis Authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the O5 budget Alderman graph Thank you your honor. The resolution that you just read as well as 1560 Which is a resolution to authorize a transfer of appropriations in the 2005 document our budget I would move that both resolutions be put upon their passage There's a motion in second to put both 1559 and 1560 under discussion. Alderman Montemayor Thank you your honor Simply a question I'm perfectly fine with all of this but a question on agenda item 1560 police department contributions to dare expenses Am I right or wrong? I thought dare is no longer with us. I mean there's still drug Information, but I thought the dare program was not here or is it here? Chief Kirk is not here so I can't answer that Alderman Cigali Thank you, mr. Mayor. I'm looking at 1559 and correct me if I'm wrong when Mr. Henry Capitola was Speaking he stated that he was a taxpayer of Sheboygan Okay now On here when it comes to these bid grants etc. Home Inc Is receiving 36,850 dollars and that is for non-profit organizations. Am I correct? So he's he's one in the same he's a taxpayer and he's he's got a non-profit I believe what they're paying is a payment in lieu of taxes Some non-profits pay that if I'm Alderman Cigali, he lives in the town of Sheboygan and has a business in the city. Is that what your question was? Yeah, when he came up to the mic he and he said he's a taxpayer and yet Home Inc is in the the city of Sheboygan Is that connected with superior manner and what document what document are you referring to almost 1559 And has all the listing of the 2005 block community block grant appropriations Like the salvation army and save harbor and on the back its home inc incorporated and has 36,850 dollars that they're going to be receiving So when he I thought that was for non-profit organizations these block grants like boys and girls clubs And family literacy council etc. It is an unprofit Home Inc is an unprofit. Yes My understanding let's see if we can have all that clear that I got lots all over the place Thank you Is enders Thank you again, mayor and common council and I'm not at I don't perverse to be a tax expert, but many times our tax Tax exempt entities that also end up paying a tax Let's say for instance aurora. It really depends on the function or you know what they're doing at the time Whether it's taxable or not and as far as home Inc We did We had a question from one of the older persons about whether or not they were Tax exempt. We did send a question into our HUD representative about that. I don't think that we've heard back But I also went online and I checked and as of september 30th It looked as if in the state of wisconsin They were a net for profit And like I said, that's you know, the tax laws are complicated But um, I think at this time they're eligible and we'll make sure that you know We research it further and just double check with our HUD representative Stay there. Ms. Ender. Does any all of ms. Usha. Do you have a question for ms. Enders? Um, no, actually, I think I have an answer to all the persons to golly. Okay. Thank you question Um, what home Inc does is they provide Very affordable housing to individuals that are extremely low on the income level and That entire building is not completely refurbished yet to accommodate all of this very low income housing So the part of the building that is not Completely refurbished to provide this low income housing is taxed So even though they're working very hard to bring like the fourth floor up Into more housing units for these people that really need it. They're taxed on it while they're working on Working on these rooms, which personally, I don't think is right, but that's how it is So when he said that he was a taxpayer That's the portion of the building that he is being taxed on and the other reason I have my light on is All the person montemare is correct. There is no dare Program in the schools right now through the shabuagan police department. Thank you. Thank y'all ms. Usha all the venerable Thank you, your honor. I just wanted to state that I've heard mr. Anyone capitol state many times that he represents a nonprofit agency in the city of shabuagan That believes in paying taxes So they are a nonprofit, but they pay taxes. Thank you. Thank you all the month of my old Thank you your honor I also have heard mr. Capit you repeatedly say and if I remember the numbers it's something like 17 000 a year Thank you any more Chief sire, please I'm sorry. You need to come to the podium sir. Thank you Chief Kirk is not here mr. Mayor, but if I'm not mistaken in the finance meeting the police department talked about the dare program And because it's still listed is because there was donated monies from individuals To the dare program. So that's why they keep the name alive. That's one of my members discuss that dare. Thank you chief Okay, we will call the roll 15 59 15 60 Stefan Susha Van Akron Vander wheel Bowman Dberg Eberg Serta Davis Graf Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemay or Racky And sagali 16 eyes motion carries 15 89 General ordinance number 5010506 by alderman groff berg van akron berg and settler Establishing the salary for the promoted fire chief alderman Eberg thank you your honor move that the ordinance to put place put on this passage There's a motion the second to put 58 59 upon his passage under discussion under discussion your honor the This came through salary agreements that is a combination of looking at dealing with compression issues for the new fire chief and also then Raises to over a period of time Bring them up to a certain level Thank you any further discussion Alderman Susha Thank you, mr. Mayor. I have a question and then a comment it appears to me that this is these raises are In compliance with the general ordinance and that's why we have to accept them Yes, well, I just would like to bring everybody up to speed what we're talking about here You're talking about an individual currently making about 76 thousand dollars a year January 1st, we're going to give them a raise to approximately 84 493 Plus other increases to non-represented Employees and then in 2007 there would be another increase up to 87 thousand dollars and then on january 1st 2008 Pay goes up to 90 thousand plus So what we're doing here is because Today the general ordinance stands that we have to give this type of an increase We're increasing somebody's salary in a three-year period from 76 thousand up to 90 thousand dollars This is where we have a problem with the budget And you can count on a future meeting where I will be coming in with a resolution to change this ordinance So we don't have to continue to give these rather large increases. Thank you. Thank you Alderman Meyer Thank you, mr. Mayor. Um, I agree with Alderman Susha. We are in some very tight financial Restraints right now our city is over 68 million in debt And we have got to put a stop to this These raises cannot continue and I do agree with Alderman Susha. We need to look at this Thank you any more Okay, please call the roll Susha Van Akron Vander wheel Bauman Dberg Eberg Serda Davis graph Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke So golly And Stefan 13 eyes and three nose motion carries Other matters authorized by law 1674 in ordinance by Alderman Susha of ender wheel Ratke Meyer And montan by all our amendment portions of municipal code related to the establishment of new fees for licenses and permits issued by the Building inspection department Alderman Susha Thank you, mr. Mayor. I'd like to make a motion to suspend the rules There's a motion to second to the spend all those in favor of state. Aye Any opposed please proceed Okay What we are doing is um passing the changes And uh, some of the need a motion to pass uh, put the ordinance upon its passage now. No, is there a motion? I'm sorry. Yes Okay, motion to put up on its passage Is there a second? Under discussion. Thank you. Sorry What we're doing is we're amending some of the fees and the reason we need to suspend the rules tonight Is that all of the contractor licenses have to be renewed by the end of this year and in order to Notify everybody in a timely fashion. We need to pass this tonight. Thank you. Thank you Any further discussion? There being on please call the roll van akron Vander wheel Bowman Dberg Eberg Serda Davis Graf Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor Ratke Segali Stefan and Susha 16 ayes Motion carries 1675 an ro by the board of contractors examiners submitting an application for all for building contractors license Alderman Ratke Thank you your honor. I move that the ro be accepted and adopted The motion is second to accept the ro under discussion There being on all those in favor state aye any opposed motion carries 1676 to be referred to finance and library board 1677 an ro by the city clerk submitted an application for a private wealth permit for Susan Hansman hold them in bowman Now thank you your honor after reading it. I moved that the ro be opposed by its passage It's motioned To accept and follow the ro in a second under discussion There being on all those in favor state aye any opposed motion carries Other matters turning McLean Creating article 8 of chapter 110 is quite visible for the title street festival so it regulates street festivals in the city That lies over 1679 is an ordinance repealing and recreating chapter 110 article 6 of the municipal code title block parties So is the limit the regulation to the ordinance to block parties and residential areas? That lies over 1880 is a news release from g jernel skipper marine regarding the fact that skipper bud ranked number two on the list of top 100 dealers that excel in selling her for votes for voting in this rematch And that will go to marina and harvard commission paulum and venet Paulum and venachron sir. You asked for some time. Thank you your honor I have had to honor the last 19 years to represent the people of the 52nd district Tonight, I am announcing that I will not be running for reelection I am not in my attention this early so that anyone interested in running will have plenty of time to do so I have enjoyed my 19 years of service and encourage anyone that may be interested in running for a second This is all of them that now is the time to get involved Anyone interested to contact the city clerk's office and on my patient Papers can be taken out starting december 3rd. Thank you Motion to second to adjourn. We stand adjourned Law and licensing could you come up here, please