 Vick and Tyler I wonder we can have a three-way I wonder three way Instagram that is But hey Vick and Tyler raise your hand. I will see who you are. So we try to add you Let me say how many people get out of this Vick Vick Vicks is a true story, man I hope we get on a podcast because he was he was what I was what you were beginning big time gambling Big swings of P&L now. He's just one of the most consistent persons I've ever seen So where are you Vick? He's I want to have him introduce himself or a Tyler you can go first There go Tyler let me bring Tyler first and then if Vick you raise your hand. I wonder we can do a three-way. I hate that word Okay, so we'll start with that. Hey This is the first time I've seen you brother. How you doing? I'm doing great. How are you? Where are you right now? I'm in Santa Monica. Oh That's nice. That's nice. You gonna be at the meet-up for sure then I will yeah, I'm excited So I'll let you introduce yourself to everybody Cool. Yeah, so I'm Tyler living in Santa Monica. I'm originally from New Hampshire I've been trading for about five years now, and then it wasn't until by the last 12 to 16 months that I started to become consistently profitable Still have a lot a lot to learn in a long way to go, but it's been a good ride I've been an MIC for about two years. I should probably over two years two and a half years Didn't have a process prior to MIC was in some other chat rooms trading like four or five different setups at once and Over the last 12 to 14 months. I started to just focus on one strategy that fit my personality It's been going really well. I'm just trying to master one strategy just focusing on my discipline What's been great is that the strategy I'm trading allows me to just step away at 7 a.m. I guess market time over here So that's why I'm in the park and just relaxing. So that's a little bit about me So are you sure? I Am I'm short bias I'm just trading pre-market gappers right now and the goal is to just try to fade them Throughout the day. So just trying to maximize winners It's a smaller win rate But it fits my personality because I don't like to be at the screens Don't like to look at the level two or time and sales or anything So I just get them get in the position set my stops and Step away. So so that's the key guys the key is Tyler's using hard stops, right? You put the hard stops in don't have to worry Yeah, yeah, and I actually just added to my position right before this Instagram live And I usually don't like to do it mobile. So the first thing I do after I double down or enter a new position It's just make sure my stops in place. And so I adjust my stops dependent on my size So as I add to a winner, I can always maintain the same amount of risk And that's what's been so helpful The last two months, you're basically a you're not a day trader, bro. You're a risk manager. That's that's yeah That's the best thing you let your trades work and I love your style, bro This we have many you can make money many different ways guys You have to find one that fits your personality. So this one fits Tyler's. These are the park show it out. I Wish I'm a nervous wreck guys. I like to be in control. So it's hard for me to just walk away like that. And so, you know You you training you know, you have to find a strategy that fits your personality Because you know, if I did what Tyler did dude, I'd be on my phone on the park a refreshing So it doesn't really that match my style, you know, I'm so, you know, it works for me It works for Tyler. You have to find something that works for you There's no one style one type of strategy is many ways to make money man. So tell it so tell everybody so In nutshell, like if you were to tell people how you start from basically nothing to get into where you are today because right now you're you're solid, man Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, the first I mean the first thing I'd recommend is obviously to start with paper trading and not using real money And then do that like there's no rush at all. So do it for two three four months I see people like rushing using money right away Let's start with paper trading but then just go small with real money My recommendation though is that like like we were just talking about is to try to find a strategy that fits your personality I think a lot of people in the room and just trading in general We'll see like these flashy charts and amazing P&Ls and just try to trade like someone else But no two traders are exactly the same So I think it's finding something that fits your personality that you're comfortable with And then something I always recommend and I know it's not for everyone like outside of trading I do a lot of like meditation and different forms of meditation because If you become more self-aware as a trader you'll start to recognize when you're like emotional and you're stressed and you're greedy or have fear And if you can identify how you feel during trades You can kind of course correct and make sure that you're sticking to the process that you outline So I guess it's find a strategy that fits your personality and then continue to make sure that you're in a position where you're not Emotional when you're trading because I think that's when people force and dba And things like that also in m.i.c We have so many amazing moderators So like I was super proactive reaching out to moderators that traded in a similar fashion to how I wanted to trade So just leveraging the resources that we have in m.i.c. Was super valuable Um, that's great. That's what I would recommend though. So notice what Tyler? Um, he didn't just become an overnight success, right? I mean he took it took work, bro It's been five years. Yeah, it's been five and a half years And I always thought that every year I was like now this is going to be the year this is going to be the year But um, I just kind of put that away like I always put this timeline on I'm like I need to be profitable in a year. I need to make this much money But when you drop those numbers on timing and how much money you want to make You'll realize you'll actually make it quicker. You'll become more profitable quicker Um, when you just kind of put those mental pressures away Um, so it's been a long ride and I still have a lot to learn Um, and it's exciting that it's only five years when I plan to trade this for the rest of my life So it still feels like I haven't been trading very long I do it. Some people take decades. Some people never do it, right? So this is great. Um, do you have a tab? Do you think that tab group is instrumental to helping you as well? Super helpful. Yeah, I have I have a few folks. I'm an m-i-c and some outside of m-i-c that I that I talk to regularly Um, I found that in the morning. I like to be hyper focused So I'm not usually chatting or messaging too much pre-market because I have my own process I have a routine where I'm just focusing on what's in front of me and I don't like to be super distracted, but Um, the tab group and and the individuals I speak to are influential and and where I am today And what's great is you want to find tabs that like call you out if you're deviating from your process If you're not being disciplined, like that's what's so important to me Like you don't want to be in a group that's always telling you you're doing a great job Like I want to be with people that are telling me that You know, I might not have maximized the trade or that there was ways where I could have been a little bit better So it's been so important and I wouldn't have a A tab group if it wasn't for m-i-c. Um, I just had a few friends prior to m-i-c But we didn't really know what we were doing. So it's been super helpful. Yeah, so awesome, man So what are your plans now so for the future? What are you working on? Yeah, it's exciting. So I so I have a full-time job outside of trading. So I'm just focusing on that I like that. I like that. You don't need to be a full-time trader, bro All right, you're looking for your job That's great. I um, I moved from New Hampshire to the west coast so that way I could trade before I have to do my other job So it kind of just all worked out. But for the future, I don't know I like sticking to this this one strategy I have now, but I'm super into like back testing and data I do like I'm a data analyst for my my current job outside of trading So I'm trying to use data to find ways to maximize my edge within the one strategy I have I think I'm capturing about like 70 to 80 percent of Of the trades that I want to be capturing so just finding ways to tweak my process a little bit to maximize My trading while still maintaining my risk So I've been trying to find ways to like automate as much as I can like creating little signals on when I should enter and exit and Just finding ways to just make my trading as seamless as possible without reducing the amount of Like risk that I'm taking So that's kind of the plan and I just want to be away from the screens So like as you can feel like it's 7 a.m. Or it's 8 here But um, I just want to trade and be on the screens as least as possible while still being able to To make money and just kind of live the life. I want to live I love that guys. This is trying to stress everybody All these all these services all these guys are promoting. Hey quit your job. Uh, start you I mean dude, uh the fact I would tell you something is very stressful if you don't have an income So the fact that you have an income helped you survive five years of this Absolutely. Yeah, I mean I was literally losing money for four plus years. Um, and so like I'm super grateful for the job I have now that allowed me the ability and the flexibility to be able to trade like I maybe I should already be working right now it's like almost nine, but they're giving me the flexibility to to do what I need to do, but Um, yeah, the supplemental income is huge because once you remove that huge pressure of I need to make money I need to trade then you'll actually just be disciplined you'll stick to your process and you'll end up making more money quicker when you kind of get rid of those like Those thoughts about how you need to trade today. You need to make money to make a living Like I don't have those stresses and I'm super grateful for it Great. That's that's awesome. I mean that that's exactly how most people in my opinion become successful It's not because they quit their job and they're desperate. They try to gamble They are they're trying to learn so that's why we we talk about the best investment when you start is the best thing in your education So that's what it is. So education just like going to college, right? Did you go to college? Yeah, I did So that you invest in that college and now you got your job your job before you to pay rent so that you can learn a day trade You know everything in life is about investing in your education. So In my opinion guys, I'm a big advocate for education. I don't listen to these guys They're telling you to quit your job put your job Having a nine to five is not bad The richest guys in the world have 95 Elon Musk. They all are software guys. They work 95 Actually, they work nine to nine all 24 hours a day, right? So So don't don't don't think about that kind of stuff guys if you really want to do something you first have to Work hard but number but we're too to be realistic like you need to support yourself You need to pay right you need to do these things So I hate these guys I walk in they expect to put 500 bucks and make a million dollars overnight, right? And that's how you blow up guys. So we we teach you to actually be self-sufficient day traders And so that's what uh, I'm very proud of you man. I'm very proud of you that you work so hard I've seen you in chat for a long time I think I joined like two months after you guys started, but I was pretty quiet for a little bit And I see you trade any different styles bro. I see you make you try to pay for the files Before you found one that matches you Yeah, it's great. That's the best part about it. It's like there's no time Like there's no timeline or rush to finding what works for you And it almost I almost feel like it just found me like after trial and error for so many different strategies like something just clicked where there was a few mods posting charts in the room and I was like Well, that that kind of resonates with me and that kind of makes sense and fits my personality and Um, that's just one of the many parts. I think if I'm I see you seeing how other people trade and You can try to adopt it in some form and see if it makes sense. So yeah, thank you Awesome That's awesome, bro. I can't wait to meet you On on the meet update next the next day. I'm looking forward to the congratulations, man. I appreciate. Hey You may not like being it being now having a lot of dms, but Like I gave you some advice on you know guys guys So, you know, you hear this great story about tyler, please please do not Overwhelm him with these questions that you can find easily by watching the videos as well guys So, you know take take he's willing to help do not scare him away because you know He may not want he may resign guys and you guys great valuable resource, so Um, keep that in mind. Uh, all right. Thanks, man. Well, thanks, bro. I'll see you soon. Thanks, man Hey, uh, vik. Are you here brother? Vic the the doctor and uh, let's let's see, uh, if he's around Uh, he may be saving lives right now instead of being on instagram live and also david david. Are you around? Uh, we we promote david david. Uh, do a super solid guy promoted him to, uh Water let me show you his chart, man Let me show you what these guys are killers I can't believe it. These guys are freaking killers guys. I'm trying to pull up david's chart here He has a sick trade, bro I mean, he he is the most he's one of the most Patient people I've seen he doesn't he doesn't break rules. He's you know, um, this is vix P&L. So vik raise your hand if you're around if not, that's okay. Um Dude, he's killing it today. He's vik. This is vik the doctor. He's up 4,300 bucks I mean, how would you like to get 4,300 bucks by the time? Before most people wake up So this is vik here Dude the first hour he's done by the first hour like we talk about boom 4,300 bucks. How do you like that? Um david, this is david Uh, he's been promoted to moderate. Look at his chart. This is imrn. Dude. This is sick Look at this. Look at this. Look how he followed the the rules he did not Short on the way up he waited for the top to to be set and then he scaled Back to the line and he covered on it. This is the perfect fucking trade guys We always talk about this don't try to cherry pick you don't know where the tops are So he waited for the top to form then he shorted it down. This is this is this is exactly I mean, dude, this is this is homegrown m i c strategy um You say what you want to say, but it works guys. It it it totally works And all the mods are using the strategies and they are making it their own. Um You know, you don't In the beginning, you don't really know what you're doing So just follow the instructions follow the process to get to the point where you're consistent And then then you can start to tweak it to your own methodology guys So I see a lot of guys on twitter talking about this doesn't work zombie rule Don't work blah blah blah the point of the zombie rule is to keep everybody safe The zombie not every stock's gonna zombie when us but when the stock does zombie Most people will blow up because they get caught off guard Okay, that's why we want to tell people do not if you're short trading be careful about zombie are it's not because oh Every stock is going to zombie. Of course every stock is not going to the zombie But the ones that do zombie will blow you up unless you have a hard stock in Okay, guys Let me see let me take a look at the comments here David account is dcns Uh, I guess vick is not here, but that's okay too guys. Uh, I know so those two guys are killers, man Uh I uh I can't see it's vick on Can you can vick can you uh? Vick or alex on i'm not uh david i'm sorry dcns She's a hello. This is vick And i'll bring you on guys Or hello, this is david. I There we go. Here's david. I see david Oh, I can't bring him on for some reason david. I can't bring you on Uh, you not are you not on the phone? I think you have to be on the phone dcns, that's david right there add Okay, so I found david, but I can't if he's a if he's on the phone. I can't add him Okay, there's vick I can't bring vick on And after that, hopefully I get david on I've sent a request to vick But this is great guys. You see this these are truly motivational stories Uh hard work Hey, what's up? What's up doc? What's up doc? It's good to see you Where are you right now, man? Um, so I uh took care of my patients in the morning then uh When some orders out hit my fantasy came out to trade You remember I had that 3k loss last friday So it was kind of a little antsy Over the weekend Same trade of feelings was did I get lucky all along? I mean this was a red day after like 45 days But um, I wanted to share this with the group like even after 45 days after being consistent making 3 to 5k a day um One loss just takes away so much confidence. Um So I had to bounce back strong today and thankfully i'm actually i've made double the money that I did on That I lost on friday We talk about this all the time. I love the fact that vick brought this up You give me green every day from five straight years The moment you lose Something in your head triggers like You get scared Right, it's something weird. It happens to me too guys I mean I could be consistent for 10 years and then you start to doubt yourself like does my strategy not work anymore? and so So the way you get back to the horses, you know what man you you You don't think right that you just act and I just do the same thing There are a couple of things that I learned along the way when I mean so I guess the big thing is screen time. I'm not much of a statistics guy. I do not really uh Track data or stuff. I just track my charts and the reason I don't track data is because on a given day You don't know if a stock ran because there were no other runners. What was the dilution status? What was the filing status? You don't know. What was the market? Uh, even like so I just and I had that on my My slack whatever Trade the chart not your pnl and I keep these reminders every week for myself And I feel if you could just trade the chart and not worry about too much stuff like fancy indicators data just your setups Stick to uh demand and supply And and that's it. That's all I do and I look at price and volume And then make a decision as to is this volume Good enough to break the price to break the ceiling if I don't think it can I just hammer it and and I tried it with a plus setups because my whole thought is if I have to put in only 501k shares, why am I even trading that setup? Um, and and that's that's been the biggest turn around for me So tell us your because I remember you've been the msg a lot man everybody I think pretty much everybody the msg had helped you along the way somewhere, right? Yeah, yeah, tell about how you started being a gambler and to where you are I'm very proud of you man. This is the discipline change all that so tell us The uh remind people what how you started and and what it took for you to get to these points So, uh, so I think the biggest problem that I had I'm really sorry. I just need to uh I guess add to this position on bbig This guy this this top kick mass and I'm just so competitive. I just can't let them go So I started the almost two years ago after I finished my After I finished my fellowship became a doctor was a physician for two years and then started getting bored because there wasn't much to do Not much of a challenge one of my friends introduced me to trade And for the first three months I was with tim Sykes in his chat room did not learn much I don't think it's a bad chat room. Just the style is much different. Um, Still learned a little I got gritani's dvd. Uh trading tickers Really love the guy great thing about him is it's modesty. So just for three months And then I I was like this is not good enough. I have to do some digging So I started doing my own work came across some of alex's webinars from From the time he was in some other chat room. I think Looked for alex look for you. Um Found out about you. I don't know through whom somebody just told me this guy. He's a legend Actually, you know what tim Sykes chat room There were a couple of guys who said if you need to learn from somebody find try to find modern rock So I don't know who this modern rock is so had to google do my own search Look for you found you found you and found alex and then found out that you had a chat room So I joined m i c last year in february Obviously, I I had no idea what I was doing. I was trading all sorts of random stuff My approach was add add till it turns around um, I blew up like I think I blew up three or four accounts uh And then I started really listening and zoning in so I think I've listened to trading fish academy videos I don't know maybe four or five times. I kind of remember everything now. Like I could tell you what you're going to say Austin's webinar at least at least two to three times and I have bookmarked sections. Um, because I take this Trading is no different than any other competitive sport As long as you're willing to pay the price and the price is hard work The great thing this is performance based. So there's no limit. The amount of work you put in is the amount you'll make um, so I just bounce around from Uh, I would say blow up to blow up thinking. Oh, I got this. So each time I would make money for I don't know the most Three to four months one trade everything flag because I would just make that one mistake And and everything would just go down the toilet. Um Then I met with one of our moderators on this was like my last attempt and I thought I was going to just uh Um quit trading if it didn't work this time. So he helped me. I've spoken to you and forth I have spoken to alex multiple multiple times um And then it sounds cliche It just hit me that all you need to do is you stick to your setups and stick to your risk If you stick to your risk. So the big lesson that I learned is always Size accordingly What your account is as long as you can do that and you're ready to come back the next day Like I I lost 3k last Friday if this was me six months ago 3k would have been a devastating loss Now 3k doesn't mean anything. I'm back. I made double and uh, and it's funny about while we are talking I just had a position on neuro. I had a 690 short outer line 5 000 shares. I've already made like 2k on that position too and I mean, there is nothing you need to do like once you That's your basics Yeah, it's so easy. It's like it's yeah, I mean I could go into the setup. It's like, you know, they're selling They're selling at 690. This is just a long trap all along the b-wap is flat and they're just messing with the longs Um, this is going to fade probably back to six by the end of the day Um, so m i c just changed my life and it took me first six months to absorb all the material and after the first six months My growth. I mean, I I don't want to brag, but it's almost been parabolic I'm not scared of setups because I've seen you short parabolic And I think the second thing I want to say is in m i c you cannot get lazy The the cool thing about trading is every trader is his own person. He's like an artist So you can learn from everybody and I think I heard Austin say this once You can learn from people but you have to own the strategy. How do you own the strategy? You look at the videos Once you see price action on the screen You see if it confirms to your style or not and then you just execute And you're either going to you're either going to lose like you say I mean, you're either going to make money or it'll be a lesson Um, and and I'm not scared to execute. I don't give a shit if I lose like now I kind of know if I lose. Yeah, I will make it back it might take a day or two and And you have to know once you get on that path I think the longest the the biggest thing that that that worked for me It took me A bunch of wins to realize this is not fluke This is a process that works and that just keeps me kind of going every day knowing that. Oh, yeah, if I lose my Daily, whatever that is three five k I can come back and make that money. This is not fluke It's a process. It can work as long as you stick to the process and I started sticking to 830 It's central time here So 930 to 1030 because I because all the big trades Happened during the open. I see people trading bit after saying oh, I'm trying to make back locates. What not? I don't care about Shit, right? Because if you believe in yourself, you're going to make back locate money That's just a cost of doing business and and in my opinion It's just all for more saying I'm trying to make this thing that thing So I really stuck to the process like Alex finishing the first hour Then I babysit some positions depending on how I feel With one third size And that's it It shows Show us the p&l curve. Well, people people will be very surprised. You Yes, I can show you the p&l curve Um Give me one Amazing guys, take this out. So this is hard work, man. It's Hard work and great discipline. So that's the that's one thing I like about Vic he's using heart stops. He may not use heart stops, but he's taking the loss He's not turning one loser. It kills the entire account like before, right? Oh is uh His internet just kind of slowed down. So you got to wait a little bit I think it's internet is uh, here your back. Vix your your wi-fi was down Can I can I share it with you bow on? Slack because I don't even know how to use. Yeah. Yeah. I'm so bad with I'll show it I'm sorry, bro. I'm like just there is this there's just two things I need I I know how to do take care of patients and this that's it. Otherwise. I'm just such a club side Not techie at all Yeah, just send me a slack There we go guys It'll take me just two seconds It's not current though It's like almost a month old Since here I've you know I made some more money There was a time in my life when I thought, you know, this is It's probably not for me Because I heard a trader say in an interview once that, you know, maybe maybe you're not built to be a trader And then I go like and now I just want to tell people. So this is a month old bow since here. I've made like 90k That is amazing man. Look at this a gritty curve guys This is the most consistent thing I've seen Uh and think about this Vic said that to 45 straight days agree one lost day is a tiny loss $3,000 And he's already thinking that, you know, so these are the things that you have to keep in mind as a trade Trader needs confidence guys. How do you build confidence by repetition? Making the same trades process every day and seeing the results happening. You start to trust your lines, right? So when people ask me, how do you how do you? Where's your stop? How do you know you're not going to blow up? Well, because I have my risk It's okay if I lose if if I lose a couple thousand bucks. That's fine. I know I'll make that back But the problem is if you keep adding to a loser to infinity and you blow your counter account That's the problem. So that's the problem that in my opinion the hardest hurdle to overcome Is being able to take a loss and walk away Because the competitive nature in you No one wants to take laws. They think that hey, they they they they exit that that's the top of the bottom But you cannot think about that way to tomorrow's another day guys So look at that does I am I hey congratulations Vic congratulations brother. I would like to add that Uh at one thing to worry about a lot of people think they will take the loss But they don't really own the loss as in they they hope that it never happens Bro, I have the same chart. I have I have to share this with you. I Wonder why we have the same cards, Vic. Do we wonder why the process works, right? Bro, it's it's crazy. It's uh, yeah, it's it's just crazy I can't I can't believe that our charts look exactly the same. I'll share them with you later in the room I'm like I can't I can't multitask. I'm just bad You know what this is because the the we we share what we trade how we trade this process works guys I mean you guys bow that this right here. It's literally and I'm not even exaggerating. It's Nobody can pay you guys enough to share what you're sharing because it took me what like one and a half years to become Consistent and then just tweaked around my risk management That just does not happen like people don't realize to become a successful trader It takes three to five years even for regular pop from pop firm traders And I went over the data that was published by Steve and ducks He got it from some brokers only four percent of people make more than hundred k and more than And only more than two percent make more than seven figures. So people get swayed by these pianos on twitter, which is bullshit Um, they're not true Those those traders are not true and I know how to do it like I could just hide that 3k loss And just keep posting these pianos where I only win. It's so easy for me to do but obviously that's not what we do here But yeah, the best way to know that works is How many people we taught in m. I see you see it every day, right big so many people learn the same strategies Yes, yes I mean, there's People thought back in the day. So this f a th people thought that f a Oh, is this uh, oops, this is fast f a th So back in the day people thought I would lie about my charts. I don't post me now anymore I'd like to post charts and I mean, dude, there's How do I top pick these how do I bottom think the covers right? It's it's the process that we teach we teach at m i c guys is I I don't like to post these anymore because people start to think I'm cheating But if you see vix's chart the vix's chart looks like Our chart and you my chart so that they can see how how similar mine and your chart is And the process works there's a repeatable process that You know, I mean so now vix the sky's the limit man. I mean, I don't know how much you make as a doctor But this is pretty damn big money, right? I am almost making Actually Two two times my salary two two and a half times and I make pretty decent money um and this I love doing this. So there's no price tag on this this. I mean Now my days are just filled with you know, I want to wake up and do something exciting and uh, I guess I'm still a gambler at heart But I but but I can't thank you guys enough For sharing all the knowledge. So the key ongoing now guys is risk management Do not so take your money out like we we talk about because you know, the last thing we need is For that gambling blood and you to come back and like ruin everything in one bad trade, right? Because there could be a day where like a stock goes a hundred dollars like dw ac like Polaroid or something like stupid W ac bow. So I had the itch to just trade it just because I lost like 500 bucks on it. Um Shorted it at 72. I think that was the high of whatever and then just cut at 72 50 Now it's at 82 dollars and 80 bucks bro. It's going to 100 bow. This is 200 before it uh reverses So I'm glad that you lost very low because he's you know, sometimes you have to scratch that gambling itch But you went really small size. So that's that's good Yeah, I was I was small and and I knew that what I've been doing is just scratching the itch This was not a high probability trade or anything like that. Yep. That's the same thing as me man I sometimes we just have to scratch the gambling itch inside of us. I'm trying to get away from that I'm trying very hard to get away from that. Um, I guess it takes some time Yeah Trust me, man. I'm still at 20 years later. I'm still trying to scratch certain itches. So Yeah, man. I mean So once again guys, Vic is in the room Take it easy on the the questions for Vic. Don't scare him away. He loves this but Answering a thousand same questions. So start with the videos and hey man, congratulations Vic. I'm very happy for you, brother Thank you. Oh, I I appreciate everything. Thank you All right, and David you're around. Um If you're even around I could try one more time I'll raise your hand David one more time. Um, so sorry There we go, David. I can't for some reason I can't bring you on brother It doesn't let me uh, are you on your phone? What kind of phone do you have? I don't I don't know if that's the reason why or All right. Well, we'll get you next time. Um next week Uh, David, no problem. Thank you Vic. Thank you Tyler. Thank you everybody meet up on the Sign up meet up on the next next next Saturday the end of the month. Okay guys. Um My vessel club comm slash meet up. All right guys. Thank you guys. We'll see you next time