 Good morning everyone. I'm Matthew Kaminski. I'm the editor-in-chief of Politico and Good to have you this morning to discuss the defense of Europe On a small personal note, I started off 30 years ago as a journalist in Vilnius Looking at the Baltics spent the next three years in Ukraine. They went to the Balkans at the time It's feel like we were settling a lot There were some certainties that were put in place and much has changed But there are so much uncertain right now Europe is in the midst. It's entering its second year of the biggest ground war since World War two The Balkans seem like everything is not right there a lot of question marks over the future of the Western Alliance we have a terrific panel this morning to try and Talk through these these these challenges With Poland with the leaders of Poland and Lithuania are two countries that have led the way in the West's response to Ukraine we are the leader of the Belarusian opposition and Belarus has played a very central role here and it's a very central piece in Inserve deciding what kind of Europe what kind of Europe will we have on the eastern flank? Portugal's one of the founding members of the North Atlantic Alliance and the leader of North Macedonia, which is in a region which had caused a lot of trouble in the 90s And I guess we're also is now part of the thinking about what kind of Europe we have going forward now I want to start maybe since it is morning. Maybe with a couple quick round the questions for this group to get us going and In a sentence or two, I I want to ask each of you In these grim times What is the one thing that? Makes you hopeful I can start with president do what makes us hopeful hopeful the one thing that gives you hope this year when Think about the future of Europe the defense of Europe absurd will never exist for a long time In my opinion, so this is this situation is This is absurd. Yes This is it's hard to it was hard to imagine that And 70 years after the Second World War. Yes, we will have war in Central Europe in full scale. This is something ridiculous And that was very That was very that was very hard to believe when We received before the war. Yes all this this secret information Telling that That We would expect Full-scale Russian invasion against Ukraine. Yes, and the Ukraine were probably survived no more than 72 hours. Yes, and you know, it's that was something I was I remember I was counting Those thousands of of Russian military Units. Yes, and and soldiers is it possible? Yes, if you if you if you take into account and The general number of Russian military forces. Yes, and and and you have the the information that Putin gathers Some part of of of of his military forces around Ukraine. Yes one one hundred sixty thousand one hundred Seventy thousand. Yes, is it enough to to invade whole? Ukraine. Yes, if you if you take into account and this is The country two times bigger than Poland Poland is three hundred Twelve thousand square kilometers. Yes, Ukraine is is is Two times bigger. Yes, it's more than Six hundred thousand. Is it possible that they will occupy? Kaminsky said a sentence or two, please Okay, but what's what's that's hopeful in a sense. Sorry, it's very I don't want to I don't want to I'm sorry. It's it's it's too early morning. I Don't want I don't want to to to Speak about About hope yes, I'm very happy that Ukrainians are so brave and and A day before the invasion a few hours before the invasion when We visited that we both visited Kiev With with with with president gitanus now said I as we talked with But what do you mean? He's he said to me Andre? We are really ready He said to me we are really ready and and and and and and and And we will never survive we will never we'll never We're never surrendered President now said what I Would like to stress few moments first of all again a couple sentences But let me I think I think I'm my best first of all the success of Ukrainian military forces in the battlefields. I Remember our first meeting after the war broke out on February 25th in European Council and there was direct connection with Vladimir Zelensky And you know that mood was that maybe it will continue one or two weeks But not longer and now we already approach one year anniversary terrible anniversary, but one year anniversary of this war The second issue is despite our some disagreements. We stay united. I I'm talking about European Union and also our like-minded countries and You see we passed already nine packages of sanctions Sometimes with certain exemptions that they're trying to take to into account the specificities of some countries but even Having quite difficult Situation we were able to stay united and this unity is productive. They there are two kinds of unity unity, which is just It had cannot produce anything and unity which is still productive It leads us to the decisions. So those two moments I think they are very important and if we will be able to increase the support to Ukraine first of all military sense of this world. I think the victory will be there and This is not so long way to go Super Yes You know the situation is completely desperate speaking about the European continent We have multiplying crisis simply reinforcing each other. There's no too much room for a hope But I will take the solidarity being shown on the unprecedented levels among the European partners and Transatlantic bond with which has been never stronger in a decades I will take the hope from last year as the point of departure for hope for this year Thank you Thank you. And as for me, I think that Unity of democratic countries and the size of this of countries that gives me hope and I know that For example since they have already arrived for democratic changes in our country And they will stand for this changes till the end and I'm grateful that there are such leadership as Polish leadership and Lithuanian leadership that show Example for other countries how to deal when enemy is knocking to your doors So I really grateful for opportunity for Belarusians to participate in this new security check architecture of our region and I hope that Not only politicians, but ordinary people realize that a lot depends on them And they open the doors and their hearts for all those who are looking for Defense who are looking for support Perfect. Mr. Bueno, you come from the other side of the comment But I'm going to say are more or less the same ideas that the from the east So coming from the south the whole comes from this sense of unity and it's unity of purpose Unity around our values our european values that are pluralism diversity rule of law reject of the war as a way of settling disputes and We are all looking towards the future The future is european integration and these european values and we are rejecting those That look toward the past a very dark past in Europe the spheres of influences Worlds fancies. So this is the real You know, I was going to ask as a follow-up a quick round question What worries you the most? But I think we got from all of you kind of a sort of hint of the worries You did all speak about the unity of of the alliance and the unified response And not to put a too negative light on this, but I wonder again very quickly Where is the weak link? What where do you think that how can this be undermined? We're what are you most worried about in terms of that unity staying in in a place Yes, I'm not afraid that this unity will be broken I think that both in the ukrainian crisis and before in the covid crisis We have realized that the bed method is doing things together And if we compare this and how we tackle the crisis in 2008 the financial crisis that took 10 years to get out we have all realized That being united being together we get better through the crisis We get out of the crisis faster and in better shape leaving less people behind So the only thing that worries me knows with him is that outside? There is someone that thinks in an old-fashioned that war and violence is a way to impose your ideas And to settle political disputes Maybe another way to put it to you like how would this what is your worst-case scenario for this year? I Sort of what let me ask your neighbor. Oh, yeah. Yeah To you what what what really I mean again, I think all of you give a sense of you know There is resilience among the lies, but what worries you the most So, of course, I'm going to describe your ideal scenario at the moment I'm sure that Ukrainians with their assistance and help of democratic countries will win this war and There will be changes Hopefully in Russian administration and so as we know that the connect the fate of Ukraine and Belarus are intertwined So I'm sure that the victory of Ukraine will be a new wind of opportunities for Belarusian people to a price again and to get rid of this dictatorship so Belarus and Ukraine will be Free and we will become of part of European family of countries and we in Belarus will build Democracy in Ukraine they will restore They see this again with the help of the world and everybody will be happy Unusually bright view from from from our part of the world In reality and understand that there can be different scenarios, but we help have to be prepared for everything no, I Have no concerns that The newly found unity and solidarity not only pan-European but transatlantic will not hold this year It will hold But to be realistic and to be honest with everybody with the public with you I'm a bit concerned whether that will hold the one the the war in Ukraine is over Of course, everybody would like that war to stop today But you know the logic of the states the logic of the national interest of the states has always been for centuries and centuries To to take a look of your backyard if we are going again towards giving priority to the national interest of the states Then these newly found unity and solidarity will be gone Why it is necessary after the war with you of in Ukraine is over why it is really necessary critical even to hold this unity and solidarity transatlantic bond Because you we are seeing throughout the world in some of the biggest countries in the world that the authoritarian tendencies are on the rise if Democracies are not getting together sticking together respecting the same values and fighting for them Sometimes literally fighting for them Then the autocracy will prevail. We have said last year when this war in Ukraine started well before that in Belarus that This is in essence dilemma and battle between democracies and autocracies and outright dictatorship in the part of on the part of the Russian Federation today so we have to be In the full unity and full solidarity after the war in Ukraine is over that is necessary for the better world President now said I mean this book is very sort of at a higher level I wonder when you're thinking about the things that sort of concern you is there anything more immediate or or sort of Specific that that that maybe comes to your mind. I will start first of all from saying that I am strong believer that Ukraine will have this victory and it will be very important victory for Ukraine itself But for all of us too But worries me, you know Putin realized that he was absolutely wrong by calculating There's some assumptions of this war, but he is desperate to and it means that he is able to concentrate all the efforts and resources of big country Russian Federation Ignoring economic and social needs of the society This is the specific feature of the Totalitarian regimes that they can ignore the needs of the people and to bring anything on the altar of the war and This is one issue the second issue is that Yes, I have some concern that Western societies can be Tired from this war because we have already some some some features or some signs of Tried Western societies first of all because of high inflation inflation of energy resources and We are not so used to the inflation rate like 10 percent 15 percent on or in some countries 20 percent and It means that Having the democratic rules of game in our countries politicians will be Just will spend more attention to these issues too But I think there is one possible outcome from this puzzle or solution of this puzzle We have to stay united and we have to take all the decisions which are oriented towards Reduction of dependence on Russian energy resources. My country is a very good example We started very early because we never had any illusions regarding Russian regime So this gets started to prepare ourselves About 20 25 years ago and now we either bear the fruits of these actions on these efforts We were able to cut off all the ties with Russian energy resources One year ago and I think this is very important to do at the European Union level We started we started quite successfully, but we have to continue because some countries are still Dependent they are exposed to the Russian blackmailing especially energy graph blackmailing and this is very important to break Break up this this dependence Chance for one more answer even and then I want to come back to you with a more specific question What is the weak link in the West's response to Ukraine there has been one Message from Ukraine since the beginning of the war This is what Vadim Irizarevsky told us at the beginning on the phone You know that I at the beginning of the war I talked with Practically every day even few times a day on the phone and he And he and there is one and there has been one message Weapons weapons and once again weapons. We need weapons. We need military Support and and this is the and this is the and this is the the the the the most important element of This of this game Yes, if we sand If we still if we still sand a lot of military equipment for For the defenders of Ukraine cutting edge military equipment They they they they they still have this this this Potential to to to stop Russians. So I think you answered the question but the weak link but indirectly and let me maybe It's actually was leading to my follow-up, which is Tomorrow Chancellor Schultz is speaking here Germany, you know, the UK has just been the first country to Send tanks to Ukraine the US is talking about sending the Abrams tanks What do you expect or hope out of this week will Germany send the leopard tanks What might happen at this Ramstein meeting of defense ministers later this week in terms of arming Have we turned the corner in terms of giving the Ukrainians more? offensive weapons or Or not Five days ago I announced Our decision About about the leopard tanks. Yes one company of of leopard tanks. It's about 14 Tanks We really decided to send it to to Ukraine, but we hope and and we are trying to organize A bigger Support for for Ukraine. So we hope that there is a few partners with a few allies Who who who who will? Who will give tanks to to to Ukraine leopard tanks challenger tanks from from Great Britain? Yes, and so so we hope that producer of that thanks Germany Will also will also participate in in in this in my opinion very very Very good idea And I was asked by by voldemir Zelensky for that for that military support few times He said to me and they we need we need modern tanks Because because it's it's it's it's the only way we can to stop the Russian invasion now They we sent to to Ukraine and our crap officers is Very modern and very efficient We sent to Ukraine more than 260 our tanks, but but old one But old tanks We had those tanks From from from from USSR Yes, and and but but that in but that moment it was Have a have a year ago. Yeah, it was in March as I remember They needed those tanks in that moment That was that was immediate need and and and and so we decided to send this this You know, it was it was it was more it was more that we afford was more than that than we afford We we hadn't those tanks in in our reserves that was that those tanks were We we we took those times out of of our military units as regular military units But but but but but but but we understood that that this is that this is this is this is this is, you know issue of the of the of of of This they're really that this is that it This decision that was that was the very difficult moment because Russian military forces you remember they they they were around practically around Kiev So that was that was very difficult Time for for for defenders of of of Ukraine We decided to send that that was in practically that was the beginning of the of the big military support for for for for for Ukraine and and so so we hope that this time that this decision That we announced that we we are we we are sending our our leaders Your parts to Ukraine will start a new chapter in in in this in this military in this military Assist to are you talking to the US about? sending your mix to Ukraine and getting sort of the F-18s or 35s in in return or is that sort of a dead issue for now? It's very complicated Okay, so please We should switch off the cameras Mr. Bueno, I could have picked you know from a native perspective and country further away How much more do you think the the alliance should be providing in terms of military hardware to to Ukraine I? Think that the the unity of all Europeans have all Europeans with our natural transatlantic allies Especially United States it's out of question, but it must be very clear And this is also an important part of what is going to be at the stake this this year That this is bad in this Putin's war neither NATO no European Union No any European country has won in this war or it's at war against Russia Because sometimes in Europe and in this panel. We all know where we are talking about that last week I traveled to Western Saharan Africa the week before I was in Latin America things Don't seem that clear. Sometimes it seems like this is Russia against the Western world We must keep remembering NATO is not a part of this war President Zelensky and Ukraine didn't want this war and didn't do anything to decide this war. This is Russia's war so so far the The political support comes from all allies, but the weapons comes from European Union Countries and I think it is very important to make these things clear because otherwise We can lose a lot of partners around the world. That's a very good point and present now said I kind of I curious to you You know that that's that sort of speaks to Some divisions within the Alliance about how far to go obviously I wonder how you've managed those divisions since you're obviously in the more of the Avangard in terms of trying to push the Alliance forward, you know We are not big country of course, but we started to support Ukraine militarily and we we are the example How decisive we can be and we started to deliver stingers to Ukraine even two weeks before the war started and This was our strong commitment and absolute unity in our society I have to stress this factor too because in Lithuania 99.9% of the population Strongly support Ukraine and this in such an environment is very easy to take the decisions tough decisions but sometimes yes, we I have the impression that Somebody has to take the first move Like with in the story with the tanks. I like to play chess So in chess you have to take the move and then others will follow so and Somebody has to take this leadership to take the decision in order to support Ukraine because the tanks become Very strategic factor of this world, especially now Having in mind this position of war in the eastern part of the country So one more answer. Do you think Chancellor Schultz will green light the leopard? I I strongly believe that counselor Schultz will decide on this and I was a witness of Very important breakpoint or turning point in the thinking or Mentality of Germany by the way there are one more witness was Prime Minister of Poland Mr. Moravitsky and we visited Berlin and at that time Germans decided that instead of Providing a humanitarian aid they decided to deliver weapons It was first very important qualitative book moment in the decision-making of Germany and now we are in the situation where there is more Commitment needed stronger commitment needed to deliver Armored vehicles tanks to Ukraine and hope very much that our stronger lie will do this Right. Let me just change tack if you don't mind. I want to ask President Skonoskoye if the elections were Confirmed as I guess a lot of us a lot of people in the West hoped What is your reading of of where Lukashenko is right now? And do you expect that he would or Putin would open that northern front from from Belarus? So first of all when you are asking our panelists about weapon I feel a little bit as alien here because we are as blurs and people who and the Repressions for two and a half years already We can't give high marks or crepes to Ukrainian people But the most of the population of Belarus are for Ukraine. We don't want to become enemies because of awful decisions of illegitimate Lukashenko We are supporting Ukrainians as we can with information when the war has started our Railway partisans disrupt the trailways to slow down equipment Russian equipment going to Ukraine via our volunteers spread information inside Belarus What's going on in reality? But now we are in such a position when Belarus unexpectedly for people became Progressive in this war because Lukashenko is Maybe the only ally to Putin. He has to be loyal. He provided our country as launchpad for missiles for training of Russian Soldiers and I have to say that Belarusian army is not loyal to Lukashenko They don't want to die or to be killed on the Ukrainian battlefields for their ambitions of toerserpers They are don't want our nation's Ukrainian Abel recents to become enemies and Lukashenko knows this and that's why he's so insecure About sending Belarusian troops to Ukraine because our soldiers even if they are sent they could Change the sites they could the fact they could hide or whatever, but You know Lukashenko is welcoming all the Russian troops all the Russian equipment and for sure Belarus can be again and again used as a craft career for Russians the presence of Russian troops in the number is about 12,000 people at the moment is for threatening Belarusian people to control Belarusian people and to distract attention of Ukrainian troops from hot sports on the east to Northern side I know that Ukrainians are prepared for possible land attacks from the side of Belarus But our task is to prevent such invasion. We are working very thoroughly with the our Belarusian army Explaining what's going on because they must may they might be misinformed about this so this internal Internal Explanation is very important in this issue So we want the world to divide Lukashenko's regime and Belarusian people and to percept us differently So one last question I would pose and then I'm going to open up to the floor So please think about maybe these things you you would want to ask President Pender Rofsky we haven't talked about the Balkans that much but there is some sort of you sort of notice on this You know lower down on the front page table on today's from now about the Okay, but tell me quickly how much how worried should we be about what is going on in? Meet Ravica What's coming out of Banya Luca? I mean you're one of the newest members of NATO and this obviously was a major Preoccupation for the Lions in the 90s or 2000s Short overview. We have two fragile points or hotspots if you like from times to times In the Western Balkan region. This is Republic of Moscow within Bosnia and Herzegovina and north of the Republic of Kosovo What the Putin's regime is doing is for years back not only since the war in Ukraine started But for years back he is trying to provoke the people there in order to disrupt the integrity of these two countries Realistically speaking in the past year or so Russian propaganda fake news political propaganda hybrid threats that kind of attacks has not Intensified because Putin's regime is fully preoccupied to counter the Western Alliance because of the war in Ukraine But local actors some of them who are not quite happy with the so-called peace agreements being reached in the 90s Are doing that part of the job and they are from time to time provoking Provoking with the inflammatory rhetoric than some disturbances in these two countries my guessing case and my judgment is that if Russia will try to deflect somehow the attention of the West again from Ukraine Which is the main theater to war and a propaganda of course that the Balkan or the Western Balkan Region is more prone to that than Baltics so we should take care about that as an alliance it's a NATO alliance and Then as a member states of the European Union or candidates for membership in the European Union Because it seems to me that the so-called soft spots in the whole pan-european Security architecture right now apart from Ukraine of course and that danger coming from Kremlin This direction is Western Balkan. Who's the key player here EU NATO or the US United States? with due respect to everybody else and I've heard the minister of Spain speaking about the European Portugal Spain sorry, it was this Portugal on We share the Iberian peninsula. I love my Portuguese colleague, but I'm still the minister for nothing. Okay. Yeah speaking about Europe only Europe Only European countries Very shortly just to explain a bit more yet said that your only European countries are giving weapons To Ukraine the most of the weapons with due respect to everybody of us My country, North Macedonia is among the top five contributors in the military hardware to Ukraine But the United States of America is leading the field Are there any questions from the from the audience and please Pose it as a question and do introduce yourself. I am part of the global shapers community the web's youth delegation You've all expressed your confidence in Ukraine winning the war But my question to you is what needs to happen for Ukraine to win? Can Ukraine win with Putin in office or does there need to be a change in the Russian leadership and how ready you are? No, no, no, we don't we don't mention that Ukraine will win this war. We mentioned that Ukraine will not lose this war I Mentioned Ukraine will win this war Then the question is for peace to come back to Europe then Does there need to be a leadership change in Russia and how far are you ready to go to push for that? Thank you. That's a really good question. I wonder who who wants to dress regime change in Moscow to make Europe this a place processes will go in parallel There more successful Ukraine is in the battlefields They hire the probability that something will happen in Kremlin Because sooner or later it will lead to the mistrust in the closest among the closest allies of Vladimir Putin and Yes, I cannot ignore or I cannot Neglect this possibility that something might happen in Kremlin and it would mean the end of the war, too I have no illusions that it will be a democratic government Replacing Vladimir Putin Probably there will be a long transitional period ahead and nobody knows what will be the outcome But probably it would lead to the resolution of this crisis in Ukraine but the second scenario of very important and evident Victories in the battlefields is possible, too so they both scenarios I think are likely and Probably now it would be not serious to try to forecast Because those forecasts would be not very credible to try to forecast which scenario we will go There's a question back there, and then we'll go over here My name is Wolfgang Krach. I'm the editor-in-chief of Süddeutsche Zeitung in Germany President Duda, you mentioned you were talking about the delivery of tanks Leopard 2 to Ukraine As you we follow in Germany the very skeptical Rejective attitude of Chancellor Olaf Scholz up to now and he's hesitating Why do you think that he will change his attitude and allow or endorse the delivery of Leopard 2 tanks now two reasons sir, one reason Germany is a part of the of the NATO Alliance and and if there is a situation that Few allies are ready to to give Their tanks to to to Ukraine. It's it's important moment and the second is that as I see the pressure of political German political stage and and and German public opinion is It is becoming stronger and stronger and stronger. So I I hope that the result of all that and elements That the all that elements will result in in in this very very very very needed decision We have TV in Brussels Since you already answered my question goes to a president now Zeta Just the other way around. Do you have any Understanding why Germany what Chancellor Scholz is so reluctant to be more decisive you made such a strong case Why tanks should be delivered? Do you understand why Germany is hesitant and the other question goes to this Spanish Foreign Minister? Spain was among the first countries to propose to send Leopard tanks to Ukraine Back in summer if there was a decision right now to send them where Spain also sending tanks. Thank you I will try to answer very shortly Yes, we have 27 members of European Union But the attitude of the society to what is happening in Ukraine is is is quite different I could name again the example of my country I could not I cannot even imagine that for example some demonstrations Against the support to Ukraine could take place in my country Probably they will not collect 200 people in my country But I understand also that situation in some other countries is different and President Duda mentioned that The attitude of German society society is changing but still we cannot ignore the reality that Still the attitude or the mood of German society is absolutely different comparing with the Lithuania So this is the reason why politicians Have to take into account This situation and sometimes it explains that some decisions in some very important countries of European Union and NATO Come later than we all expect and we would wish So this is the reason why why we see some delay in the decision making And I have to tell you honestly It's a pity because every day of this war costs a lot Not to us not so much to us for us. It's it's just means that probably energy resources Are more expensive, but it's it's peanuts comparing with With the suffering of ukrainian nations. So every day brings More casualties more destroyed houses Infrastructure and so what someone so we have not we Don't have the luxury to do for such delays And decision making Must be decisive fast And it would lead to the faster victory in this war There is a very important meeting of ministers of defense in a in a few days. We are Important decisions will be made and we like to do things together and united because we think that that's the best tool to bring Peace to ukraine that possibility is not on the table as we are speaking today But the way spain is behaving in in in this ukrainian war is At each state we do what we think is the best To help ukrainians to defend its sovereignty and territorial integrity and to bring peace The fastest as possible to the country Our countries spent Almost 45 years behind the iron carton So we know russians Very well, and there is one There is one answer in poland in lithuania in in ukraine russky mir. No, thank you I'm coming from from washington. Let me ask a very parochial washington kind of question to this group of european leaders Uh, how concerned are you about some of the noises coming out of the surprisingly? I guess if you look at the history of american foreign policy of of the republican party Um, which is uh calling a doubt support for ukraine Uh, uh, kind of curious how closely are you even following that? Needless to prove for ukraine, but it's actually support for the alliance since the previous president said nato You know, we are really far away from washington dc But Geographically speaking, but politically we are following that closely I am not seeing very strong signals that within the republican party. These voices are so pre-well and so to say And it seems to me that the bipartisan support within the washington dc Towards the war in ukraine is unprecedented. I you're you're living there You're coming from the united states Then tell me any other issue in which the americans or political parties to the main of them are so unified around There's no any other single issue So on the issue of ukraine war in ukraine or russian invasion in ukraine. They are i think 90 unified and it's gonna hold Yes, we can this is a matter of concern, of course We are also closely watching what is happening there, but uh, I think we have to decide just by Looking what the united states government is doing and united states government is doing a lot And I expect that there will be bold decisions taken in the nato summit which will take place in villianos this time in july And we have very high expectations that it will be not only the summit dedicated to the our own security But also the summit dedicated to the security of ukraine Meaning that we will Find some formulas or algorithms Regarding the expectations of ukraine To integrate closer to the to the nato two so far, of course, I cannot any expected I cannot Say that We will discuss the full-fledged membership of ukraine in nato, but we have to find some new expressions or or or Sentences just giving the hope to our friends in ukraine because every time to repeat But we already said in bukkarest summit in 2008. We keep the door sultan It's not enough anymore. And we got this message very clearly with president duda When we gathered in viv, please don't tell us that the door is open because we cannot Find these door ways this door when when should not not when will Ukraine join nato do you think? Ben. Yeah, give me a date. Oh, please Give me raise more simple questions, but I believe that is it's possible in few years time, but Having in mind that it will be very committed To to to to grant this status to ukraine like we did in european union I have in mind a candidate status to ukraine, but it will depend very much on the success Of ukraine in this war one word one word question to you when will the regime of lukashenko fall I can't say one more to answer Yeah, I I don't know such prognosis, but I think that we all have to do everything possible for this happen as soon as possible And on behalf of all Belarusian people and I will dare to say on behalf of ukrainians that we are grateful to All the countries that are supporting us in our difficult paths to democratic changes to our serenity and Independence and the long live Belarus and glory to ukraine Last word to you and we're over time, so I always say we we have to support ukraine This is this is the most important element of course and the united state they they have the the key the crucial rule in That process. Yes, but but but but you you you you you you you shouldn't Under estimate the the rule of the rest of the of the nato alliance because it's much easier for American authorities for the president biden and the members of of American administration to to to send next supplies military supplies for ukraine And if if if they can if they can say okay, but but but but we help With the rest of the nato. Yes, because poland sent military military support to ukraine and this is More than two billion dollars. Yes. It's it's it's it's it's it's it's a huge money for the country like poland I don't know great britain's and tremendous military support To ukraine. Yes, and and and and and even lithuania lithuania is a small country, but but they sent practically all their Not all the Stingers all your stingers. Yes all your stingers. You send all your stingers Yes, that there was a moment we sent practically all our thunderbolt. You know this this kind of weapon Yes against the the the aircraft and so so so it's it's it's it's really difficult situation and we understand that but and and and this military support for ukraine is a crucial element of of this Of this of how to how to solve this difficult situation. Super. Thank you That note. Thanks to all the the leaders for for coming this morning. Thank you so much