 Hello, you're muted leap leap at least for me Chris are you are you safe and not in Austin today? You know, I'm in China, so I'm definitely safe from the packages Situation but not my significant other unfortunately. Hopefully you're hanging in there, too. Yeah Yeah, it's been wild to read and and apparently a new a new one today, but it was at a packaging facility Yeah, what a couple hours ago? One intercepted at the airport as well. Oh, wow I have to catch up on on my news. I just got to China today. So oh, yeah Yeah, should be a short meeting today. We'll give people five minutes past There's a few people that already sent their regrets So we're just going through some some some basic updates election schedule and all that stuff But I'll wait till everyone to get on. Hey, all we get we'll get started about five minutes Past it'll be a fairly brief meeting today with many TOC members Not being able to make it But I posted the deck in slack and also on the zoom conference messaging system. Hello, Ben Is that you Brian Cantrell? Yep, it's me awesome Hey, it's just hey Ben. It's a thin crowd today. So we'll start in a few minutes All right, it's about five minutes past so we'll get started. I posted the deck on The zoom chat and slacks. So hopefully everyone has it in front of you. Alexis can't join us today. So I'll be doing my best impression of him as to see to see chair lacking the Amazing British accent that he has before it kind of gets started Is Brian Grant Camille or Solomon? here in the list Yes, I'm here. There you are. I miss you. Sorry. Sorry about your picture. I Have too many meetings. Yes All right, so okay, cool. Yeah, so Alexis Ken and Sam can't make it today. So unfortunately they send their regrets The agenda is gonna be fairly brief today So we'll go over a brief little update on where we are with the TOC election We're gonna be welcoming some new projects a little discussion on the status of the sandbox and then we'll kind of just Go over the community backlog and open it up for questions since we'll have quite a bit of time today so on slide six We have You know kind of an update where we are with the election. So some of you are aware We have two TOC elected seats coming up for Election essentially we went through a nominee period where the TOC Came up with some nominees. We have 10 folks Currently that are being evaluated if you look at the TOC schedule on slide six We are currently what is known as the Nominee qualification period. So this is essentially the time where we're gonna be getting there within two days sorry in China, so my mind's a little time-zoned off, but In two days, we're gonna enter this nominee qualification period where the TOC and the governing board essentially qualify The list of 10 nominees to ensure that they meet their standards for TOC candidates after that happens We'll have a formal vote by the seven TOC members to select The two more folks that they want. Does anyone have any questions here? Before I move on, I know it's a little bit complicated, but that's kind of how we came up with this process when we started. I Have a question. Sure, Brian, which is I haven't seen any discussion on any of the candidates Do you know other TOC members have feelings about? Whether there should be discussions on the either the mailing lists or How welcome I guess additional statements by candidates are and things like that. I know people I've heard from a couple of people that they're wondering Sort of radio silence. What's what's going on? Getting to additional level Brian you're on mute. Yeah, we just lost your Brian. Sorry I Was just thinking getting to additional levels of detail beyond what was just provided in the blurbs Reach candidate Which are almost incomparable in terms of what information? Not that I'm Have like a questionnaire or something and you have a handling start to get a better feel for Physician, I mean, I guess I just yeah I mean, I mean the intention was for governing board and TOC members to reach out individually if they had any questions on necessarily qualifications of the candidate or What their reasoning for wanting to join the TC TOC would be? That was the original intention at least Brian Okay Any other questions on the election schedule moving on Number seven slide seven so we have a new project that entered incubation recently Nats actually is one of the interesting projects as they presented to the TSE first quite quite a long time ago, but We're glad to have them part of the CNCF project family. It's just a high-performance messaging system using cloud foundry and by a bunch of other companies Out there written go of course, so we're very happy to have Nats Part of CNCF they're going through the transition of moving to the Apache 2 license, which I saw them doing Over the weekend, which is great. I don't know if Derek or I think ginger is on the call if anyone from the Nats team wants to Say anything now is Now is a good time if not No worries next time Hi, this is Colin from the Nats team. Derek couldn't make it this morning but I would like to thank the committee thank Alexis as a sponsor and then you know We think Nats is a great fit for CNCF and we're really looking forward to the future with you. So thank you Awesome. Thanks Colin very cool. All right slide eight so We currently have a vote going on for linker D to move from Sandbox us and Shep's inception to the incubation level you know, we have a set of You know criteria for what it means to move to incubation Which I've tried to outline here in terms of what linker D Meets it's also Discussed in the project proposal via the github pull requests linked here. So My reminder to the TOC and wider community Please get in your votes as it would be great to come to a conclusion on this Does anyone on the TOC have any particular comments on this? I know Brian you've had some discussions on the mailing list On this, you know trying to maybe keep it subjective or subjective but I don't know if you have any comments to say right now Yeah, I think the There have been some good things Raised in the thread. I don't see any Reasons to not move forward right now so I guess I should actually cast my vote but That definitely there are some things that You should apply to the to the other Project reviews to try to get discussion earlier perhaps pre-vote and Somewhere we should probably keep track of Areas of concern that we should watch for projects So that we can potentially help those projects in those specific areas Yeah Point taken any other comments from the community of the TOC When does the boat close? So the the beauty of this Justin is we don't have a formal kind of Votes close in one week. So they're kind of unbounded So my goal would be to corral the TOC to get their votes in by the end of this week on a personal level Answer does that answer your question? Chris is the whip Yeah, there you go Thanks, Brian Cool. Yeah, if anyone have any questions, please comment on the mailing list or pull our pull requests down the kind of votes votes live So slide nine so we have another new project coming in So spiffy is coming in through the sandbox Essentially, it's in the security space providing a security identity for services It is sponsored by Brian Grant Ken Owens and Sam Lambert Our plan is to formally announce Both spiffy and the project of this OPA on on March 28th in terms of joining CNCF in the sandbox Brian you want to speak to spiffy or is anyone of us spiffy team on the call about the project, but first of all, I just want to thank the spiffy team for their patience as we sorted through the Inception to sandbox transition He the new model requires at least two TOC sponsors, but not an official vote For people who weren't following along so spiffy and OPA Were Started before the transition in fact a vote on spiffy had started Before the transition, but now they're moved over to the new process and they're going to move forward Anyone on the spiffy team? I didn't see anyone here today. So All right, cool Moving on Slide 10 Open policy agent or OPA for short is also coming in the sandbox will be announced on on March 28th TOC sponsors our Brian Grant and Ken Owens, but OPA essentially is a General policy engine that is being used in all sorts of different interesting places that there's I know the Kubernetes Community is looking at amongst the Cloud Foundry community and then so on so since it's another one of your projects Brian feel free to Speak to it and I also believe Toran is on the call from the OPA team. So you know want to speak Yeah, so a lot of systems like Kubernetes and others have Sort of specialized policies for expressing certain things like authorization or Validation rules for different Different types of concepts and resources in those systems and all these things are kind of ad hoc and inconsistent And also not fully general. So OPA is interesting and that it provides a general more general Model that is pretty expressive and we're seeing it being used in more places. So not only can this increase the level of consistency and power of Expressing policy for existing types of policies and existing specific systems like Kubernetes, but you could potentially start to see more consistency across different systems, which will be a boon to admins who are trying to figure out how to enforce all of their organizational policies Whatever they may be Cool. Is there concrete plans for Kubernetes to adopt this in a future release? I Don't know If we'll adopt it with built-in support in the near future We're currently focused on extension mechanisms for things like authorization policy and admission policy And we have seen it plugged in to those places So give it given the current focus on admission it may Are extension general extension mechanisms that may be a while before we see it built in Thank you anyone from the OPA team want to say anything I think torrents on but Not sure Yeah, not much else to say that you guys summed it up quite nicely I mean the only other thing I just point out is that You know a lot of the value that people have seen from using OPA from adoption OPA so far I've been there just like speeds time to market quite a bit because they don't have to like roll their own You know a valuation engine for something. It's usually not like core to most projects or most businesses, right? So so that that's been that's been a big value. I think for for great people. So Yeah, thanks. Thanks a lot to Brian and Ken for helping kind of shepherd through this and Chris also for helping organize a lot of the Others other things. So yeah, it's been a good process. Thank you Thanks, Torrin. Anyone have any questions for the OPA folks while we have them This is Quentin here I just wanted to add a brief comment up work with the OPA guys for several years on the cluster Federation project in Kubernetes where policy determines things like which clusters run which kinds of jobs etc and had lots of success with the OPA model which strongly supported as a Sensible way forward Thank you, Quentin Hey, this is Lee. I'll add to what Torrin had expressed and And that is that as we're building new new product here We did an evaluation of BPM open-source BPM capabilities in the space and found that While some of them have been around longer and are a bit more advanced particularly in terms of like visual policy design That they were pretty heavyweight weren't necessarily built with distributed systems in mind Weren't written in our language of choice which OPA is and so we are we're off to the races with embedding an OPA Awesome. Thanks, Lee and anyone else. I'd just like to add that It's been a pleasure working with them and it's really nice projects and I'm hoping to incorporate in some projects soon Thanks. Thank you, Justin from from Docker Anyone else? Cool. Thank you Torrin and look forward to us announcing this formally next week. So thank you Great. All right Moving on slide 11. So Yep, so as Brian discussed, you know, we formally approved the sandbox There's been some discussion around, you know, people's few points of us You know necessarily lowering the bar versus the naming. So at the last TOC meeting I kicked off a poll amongst the TOC and the official TOC contributors to see what their viewpoints on the name was and we ended up with a funny enough a kind of, you know, inclusive answer where people Tied the name sandbox versus workshop. So That was a little bit of interesting as a kind of side effect, but after speaking with Alexis He wants to essentially table You know this discussion if we're going to act on on this date in any form until the next TOC meeting So I just wanted to share that information With everyone and thank everyone from the TOC and the TOC contributors That voted on this Does anyone want to make any comments on this before before I move on? So, uh, I guess the conducive voting was supposed to avoid a runoff election, but Do you think we'll have another vote on just the top two choices? So, uh, so Alexis is an odd number of TOC members. So in theory, we should It was Yeah, so for Alexis's suggestion was for the second round have just a TOC vote on on sandbox versus workshop But okay, I want to wait till he he gets back But I just want to thank everyone for voting. So it seemed uh, those those are the two names that were definitely Liked so and we'll go on from there and make a decision by the next TOC meeting Any other comments here? All right Uh, moving on so, uh slide 12 and 13 are basically all about kind of the project review and calls for due diligence You know, we've had a few projects that have uh, submitted kind of github issues to present To the TOC I've highlighted one of them that I think is of interest to the community And we'll eventually schedule them for presentation. It's a project called telepresence From a company called data wire. I recommend everyone on the call and Within kind of the wider TOC community to comment on that issue if they have any concerns or not But I look forward to bringing them all to present to the kind of wider community Uh, anyone have any questions Here. All right. I mean, uh, you know outside of that, uh, you know, there's no formal kind of working group updates outside There's some amazing work going on In the cross cloud ci slash cnc fci working group, uh, ken is also kicking off a revamp of the Uh, essentially what is known as our reference architecture. So I linked The TOC github issue 90, uh, feel free to ping on that issue if you want to work with Ken and the group of folks that are working to update that Uh slide 18 Um, yeah, we have, uh, you know Events coming up. So, uh, I hope to see many of you in Copenhagen Uh in early may, uh, we have our first kube con cloud native con in in china and shanghai in november and Uh, our big north american event in in december. So Please, uh, reach out if you have any questions on, uh, sponsorships or anything else around that event Uh slide 19 Um, our next meeting is going to be april 3rd um, we're going to be hearing from The cnc cnc fci working group, uh, and kind of an update on the cross cloud ci work. They've done some really cool things of Uh, you know getting our projects building on all the different cloud providers, uh, you know from bare metal to Uh, even kind of more interesting environment. So They'll be giving us update then. Um, and we'll also i'm going to do a formal update on kind of the working group Process i've had a couple folks reach out to me on wanting to start working groups in cnc f And, uh, you know, I kind of want them to follow the process we set in place for new project proposals and so on So, uh, had people submit a pr have it reviewed and have them present to the toc before we formally accept the working group So i'll get that done for the next Toc meeting other than that we have, uh, you know, we're we're ending early So we have lots of time for any questions and answers if people have it Um, if not, uh, we'll we'll call the meeting early. So any questions from the toc or the wider community? I have a question. So you mentioned that there have been some suggested working groups Are you able to say what those working groups are? Yeah, sure. Uh, one is around, uh, let's call it security Uh, uh policy management and so on. So the nickname of the working group is called safe Uh, there's another one around chaos engineering Um that people want to kind of bring to cnc f which involves kind of standardizing on an api And potential approaches for chaos engineering within, um, the kubernetes slash cloud native ecosystem So those are the two ones kind of On deck right now So I I would be interested in getting involved with the security one What would be a good way for me to find out more about Sure shoot shoot me a shoot me a note, uh via email or find me on slack. I'll I'll introduce you to the folks Eventually they're going to go crystallize their proposal Via pull requests to the cnc of toc repo and formally present to the toc But i'll drop the intro. Um, if you just reject me. Okay. Thank you Any other questions going once? Going twice Well, uh, thank you. Thanks everyone for their time. Uh, hopefully, um, Alexis is back next time and and kind of steers things but it was great to have everyone and uh, you look forward to Um, welcoming our new project. So it's great to have nats opa and spiffy part of part of cnc f So see everyone in a couple weeks and uh, enjoy your 30 minutes back You'll take care of all. Thank you. Yep. Bye. Bye Bye. Thanks