 The meeting to order Monday, June the first design review committee meeting. And again, why don't we let the members introduce themselves as well. Martha Smorsky. And Smith. And Steve Everett. Unless anybody has anything to offer ahead. Meredith, do you want to go through the normal procedure for the zoom meeting? We'll do. I am going to share my screen so that people from home. Can. See. What's going on. Give me just one second. Sorry, it wasn't. Okay. So I want to make sure the login information is available for anybody who's viewing via orca and wants to sign on. Okay. So we're going to go into the state of emergency. Declared by governor Scott. Pursuant to executive order. Oh, one dash 20 and act 92. The design review committee is authorized to meet electronically. There's no physical location to observe and listen contemporaneously to this meeting. 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If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them in the comments section. And instructions are also available on the city's website. And they're pending applications for public hearings. You can see that here. If anybody has problems accessing the meeting. While they're in. Sorry. Not while there. Anybody has access problems accessing the meeting. Please email the meeting moderator, Mike Miller. At M Miller. At Montpelier hyphen vt.org. You can find the information. You can find the information. You can also use the chat. When you're accessing the zoom meeting functions, you can message Mike through the chat function and zoom. When you're logged into the meeting, you should have had an opportunity to tell the moderator, which applications you wish to comment on at this point. I think I don't think there's anybody new logged in. So we know who everybody is right now. And when the chair announces that the time for public comment is at this point, it's not that complicated for you to unmute members of the public. Based on the order you submit your intent. It's not that complicated for this one. So a few applications. If you are interested in speaking and did not say, you would like to speak previously for those of you who have not yet logged in. Please raise your hand if you're on the video. Option or state your name. When you unmute yourself. City staff will add you to the queue. Once the chair has recognized you to participate. If you want to unmute your microphone to confirm that you've been heard, you're then free to provide questions or comments aiming to keep them to two minutes. This is if you're a member of the public. Today it looks like everybody we have on applicants. So you won't be restricted to two minutes. For process members will have the opportunity to respond or ask questions of you. If there is any public comment, applicant may have an opportunity to respond. If there is any public comment, please raise your hand. And after you finished your microphone will be muted. Scroll down. We don't. Things are kind of simple today. We don't really have any, but members of the public. It doesn't look like coming out. Talk for the public that's out there. We will continue the meeting. If for some reason public access functions. Fail. Internet goes down in city halls and they along those lines, they will be able to respond. If there is any public comment, please raise your hand. If there is any public comment, please raise your hand to a time and place certain. Please note that all votes taken during this meeting that are you not unanimous will be provided by or done by a roll call vote. I'm going to now hand the meeting back over to Steve. Thank you, Steve. Okay. Thank you, Meredith. Unless anybody has anything else to offer at this point, do we hear a motion to approve the agenda? All in favor of the agenda. Speak your name. Yes. And Steve. Okay. We can go forward with the first application for one 35 main street. For Kellogg Hubbard library is someone there to. Describe their application. I am. This is Jesse Lynn from the Kellogg Hubbard library. Okay. To proceed. Let me know if you want me to do share screen on your application. Or not. I think right now all I have is the, um, one drawing of what the application looked like. I'll pull that up for the public so that they can see it. And then you can talk about it a little bit and then we can go back out. Sure. And I, I actually have a photograph of the exterior of the building. If that's helpful to place this, because I realized, um, we're sort of, sort of piecing things together because I've been mostly working from home and contractors are hard to get to our building at this point. So everything's a little bit more. So what we're looking at is a, um, obviously a drawn on impression of what the exterior condenser would look like on the outside of the library building. So this is on the, um, the addition that was done in the year 2000. It's not on the original historic building and it's on the, um, sort of the backside of the building that shares a, um, a wall, the wall facing the yellow mangy is building. If that helps people place where the location is. So it's sort of tucked behind. You can see on the left hand side of the screen, a little bit of a row of lilacs. Um, and then on the, the far end of the same wall is where our dumpster, dumpster surround lives. So it's, it's not a front facing wall of the library, neither on the school street side or on the main street side. So it is sort of tucked back and along a stretch that, um, the lilacs wouldn't cover it, um, directly, but it is sort of tucked between this row of lilacs and, um, you know, placed on the building. Um, so the, the location of the ground would be 52 inches and then it would be on mounted brackets that would stick out from the wall. Um, and this unit would allow us to have cooling in our primary meeting room space, which it's hard to imagine now, and it will be a little while, but we often have meetings or program groups that can be anywhere from 50 to 75 people. And, uh, without any AC in that room, it's, it's quite a, quite a steamy gathering spot. So, um, this would finally give us the capacity to have, uh, cooling in that particular space. Uh, this is a granite facade. So it's not a full, um, you know, complete piece of granite like in the historical section. And, um, we would have to drill a hole that would be at least an inch and a quarter, um, to meet the electrical standard. Um, so it would, uh, I think one of the questions might be whether that could be done through the mortar. I think it would have to be, even if we did it in a mortar joint, it would have to include some of the, the granite facade piece. Um, but of course we want to do it as minimally as possible. Um, uh, in terms of, you know, impacting the actual wall. So that's unless there's anything else that I can cover. I'm happy to answer any questions about this. Um, and the wall mounting brackets and the service sticks disconnect be mounted in the mortar joints. So at least it doesn't disturb those granite pieces. I would have to find out the answers to that question. I'm, I'm not sure myself. Um, that's something that would be a better question probably directly for the contractor. I can certainly inquire about that and, and try to make that as, as, you know, as much as possible, the possibility as I can, uh, I'm not sure I would assume that the brackets would have multiple, you know, screw points. And so it wouldn't be able to be exclusively in the mortar to hold the weight of the condenser. They should be able to get brackets and the size that if they need more than one screw attachment vertically, then maybe one attachment could be in one row of mortar joint and another attachment and another row, uh, preferably behind the unit itself. And then as it shows on the sketch, I know that you have to run the, the refrigerant lines through the building. And it, the way it shows in the sketch, it would be nice if that could be in that narrow row of granite. And then the line set cover, the duck cover could be a great color to match the granite. That's about, I think the least possible impact that it could have. Yeah, it's definitely our plan to, to get the closest gray that we can to match. And from my understanding, it's also paintable. So, um, if they're not able to get something very close, we could get up with something that we can paint over it, not just closely as possible. Um, this is Lea. So I have a question. What are the dimensions of this unit? Uh, that's a good question. I don't know that I have that myself. I'm just checking to see if I have anything. Okay. I don't think that I have. Well, it looks like if that it's raised 52 inches above the ground, I don't know if that's to scale. If the unit itself might be about that same. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if that's to scale. I mean, I don't know if that's to scale. I mean, I don't know if that's to scale. I mean, I don't know if that's to scale. 52 inches, you know, from base to the top section. I hate to throw out dimensions that. Yeah. Here with a exactly are. Right. I mean, it doesn't look too huge really. No, it's not, it's not that bad. Um, I mean, I have, I have photographs of other. That were provided. It's just to get a sense of scale. So here's a window and here's the unit. And that's very similar to the unit that we've been looking at ourselves. Do you have those electronically? Cause I can let you share your screen. If you have them on your computer, do you know if you know how to do that? I do know how to share my screen. It would take me a few minutes to pull them up because it's, if that's really useful, I'm happy to do that. I think that would be helpful. What's up. I think that would be very helpful. Okay. You have to bear with me a few minutes. No worries. And then just, um, after the meeting, whatever you share, try to email to me so that we can put it in the file. Okay. All right. So I think Meredith, you'll have to unshare your screen so that I can share mine. All right. So here's that photograph that I was talking about. Um, I think it would be helpful for me to give you a sense of something similar in size. It's also helpful for me to get a sense of what we're talking about in terms of the kind of the complete package. So you can see the, um, you know, the cover here, obviously we get something that would match our, our building exterior better. And then you have the service disconnect. Are there windows around this or is it pretty much a blank wall here? Yeah. There are windows to the right of it. So the two windows in the meeting room space are to the right of this unit. It does help us visualize it. Yes. Yeah. Let me just show you one other. So this is a sense of the, the, um, mounting brackets. So it sits out from the wall a little bit. Okay. Thank you. Other questions that I can help answer. Yeah. I mean, I think that would be nice depending on the picture that you showed us. If any of the, any and all of the line should be as compact as possible. Just so it, it's not so spread out on the wall. Yeah. I mean, I personally am really hoping it's as compact as possible. And, um, when I saw the sort of the electrical run that went up and around the unit, I think that was, that was in relation to that particular building, but, um, trying to keep this as compact as possible, but you have to have a certain amount of distance for the line set so that the unit functions properly. So there is, there is that need for that, um, that duct cover that will go over a certain amount, but we'll do the minimum required. You can also get the duck cover in different colors. And if you can get a gray, uh, even, even if you have, depending on the material, whether it's a metal or a, an acrylic material, it can also be colored to match the granted as close as possible to make the unit look as discreet as possible. Yeah. That's, that's my understanding as well. Cause it's such a beautiful building. Even the backside is attractive. So you just want to try to make his minimal and impact as possible and still be able to upgrade your utilities. I agree completely. Well, good. Well, thank you. Do any other committee members have any suggestions or would like to make any comments? If not, we can go through the recommendation form. Evaluation criteria. I don't know if you have a copy of that, but I will read through it so that you can see what the evaluation criteria are. Uh, number one is preservation or reconstruction of the appropriate historic style. If the proposed projects in the historic district or involves an historic structure. Acceptable again with some of the recommendations. Um, harmony of exterior design with other properties in the district acceptable. Compatibility of proposed exterior materials with other properties in the district acceptable. Compatibility of proposed landscaping. None supposed, although you may want to put another lilac in front of the unit. But that's an option. It's not required. Prevention of the use of incompatible designs, buildings, colors, games or exterior materials acceptable. Location and appearance of all utilities acceptable. And that should be. Recognition of and respect for view quarters and significant vistas, including gateway views of the city and state house. The back of the building does not apply. At this location. And again, our recommendations are that the condenser wall Mount brackets. Should be attached in mortar joints between the granted blocks. And then the refrigerant line entry into the building. Hopefully could be made through the narrow blocks of granite shown in your sketch. And then the mortars. The mortars should also be mounted using mortar joints between granite blocks. And then the refrigerant line entry into the building. Hopefully could be made through the narrow blocks of granite blocks. And then it's suggested the duck cover should be great to match the granite color of the building as much as possible. Again, to make this unit as discreet as possible. Any committee members have any other suggestions to offer? If not. One by one members, please. Vote your acceptance or. Or not of the application. We'll have a follow-up. And then we'll have a follow-up. And then we'll have a follow-up. Yes. Hannah says yes. This is yes. And Steve says yes. So. It's unanimous. Thank you all very much. Just because it's my first time in the design review committee, will we, will the library receive a follow up notification of those recommendations? Yes, Jesse. We'll have a follow-up notification. And then we'll have a follow-up notification. Once he signs it and send it to me. So then you can get that. You acknowledge it via email or sign it and scan it back to me. And then we'll send you a permit. Okay. Wonderful. Thank you all very much. Welcome. Thank you very much. And good luck with your project. The next application is for 79. Berry street. Woodbelly pizza. Is anyone there from woodbelly or morning start? Yes. Okay. Go ahead. Vetch and or David. So we submitted a review for bringing our large oven to the front of the building, as well as several of our planter boxes to create a space around it. I think I actually have that application. If you give me a second, I can pull it up. I just need to get the right one. Okay. So we have a site plan that has the. There you go. So this is the site plan you're talking about right now, right? With the oven and planter boxes. And you've got some fencing around to keep people away from the oven. Absolutely. Okay. And then just let me know. What else you want to. See. Again, this is the area. In front of what used to be the auto parts store and the. Recycling. It's in an area in front of that facade that faces Berry street. This. Yep. It's opposite Bohemian bakery who have a similarly used planter boxes to define outdoor seating for their. For their customers. Okay. And then are you, are you also, cause we have them both. Were you also going to be asking for the. To try and get permission to do this seating setup as well. Once you're a lot, once you can do that and don't need the oven there. That was my sense from when you were applying for this, that you were doing sort of an alternate application for two different possible setups. So you didn't have to come back when you start being able to do the seating when you start moving this oven around. Yeah. Absolutely. Okay. That is absolutely great. We, I think we will, we will be back in front of you at some point potentially as part of a change of change of use application. Cause that will also involve some alteration of the exterior. I don't. My understanding. The change of use is part of what we're processing. That's just administrative. I'm a little confused. This is Martha. When you have the picture with just the oven in the front, you don't expect to have any seating at that time. No. So the idea would be that it's mostly walk up and take out. Okay. So no onsite eating. Okay. I understand. We don't yet have any onsite consumption anyway. So that's a little longer term plan. Okay. What is the pop up tip used for? Appreciate. Oh, it's people for people that are waiting or. Mostly for the oven operator. I see. Thank you. So again, this is just for the location of the oven in front of that space. With the planters along the side. If we scroll down in the application, I think there are some photos of. That space and below that, the oven, which will go in that space. Yep. The boxes. So there's seven planter boxes. Yes. There are four small squares. Two rectangles in the nail. Okay. And would the planter boxes be in the same place when you do the seating? Slightly reorganized to better frame in outer seating. Okay. But more or less. So this would not be permanently installed then. No. So everything there is just free standing. Is. Either free standing or on meals. Yes. And then again, you have space for two wood and metal tables. Or chairs and two umbrellas. An approximation of the tables that we'll be making. Will the umbrellas be mounted through a hole in the center of the table? Yes, they will. Oh, okay. Just quit. Just. A general question. So again, all of this is free standing either on like chair legs, table legs, or on wheels for the oven. Yes. Any committee members have any. Comments, questions or suggestions? No. I see lots of head shaking, Steve. Okay. Not nodding, I assume. Yeah. Okay. I can read through the criteria for this. And again, noting that. All of this is nothing's permanently attached. Okay. Number one preservation or reconstruction of the appropriate historic style. If the proposed projects in the historic district were involved in historic structure. Again, do the contemporary nature of this. Because it's all freestanding. We'll call that acceptable. Harmony of exterior design with other properties in the district. Acceptable. Compatibility of proposed exterior materials. Compatibility of proposed landscaping. The planter boxes are fine. Acceptable. Prevention of the use of incompatible designs, buildings, colors, games, or exterior materials acceptable. Location and appearance of all utilities. No lighting proposed. No permanent lighting. Anything would just be lights inside the tent to illuminate the workspace. Okay. That's fine. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And in respect for view quarters and significant VISTAs, including gateway views of the city and state house acceptable. Committee members all in favor, speak your name. Hold on. Hold on. Let me. I need everybody because people are talking. There you go. This is Martha. I say yes. Hannah says yes. And Steve says yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Merit it that as this get administratively approved. Yes. All of the applications tonight are administrative approval. So that you'll get. Just as with the Kellogg covered library. I'll send you a copy of the recommendation form in this case. There's no recommendations or anything on that. So you just need to let me know that. You're, you're good with it. Acknowledge it via email that you've received it and you're happy with it. And then we'll send you the permit. Wonderful. Thank you so much. Thank you, David. Thank you very much. Hi. Okay. We can move forward to the next application. For Sarducci's restaurant. And it's outdoor seating area proposal, including a tent. Is someone there from Sarducci's. Here, Carol. Hi, Carol. I see. Go ahead and describe your application for us. Carol, I just, I can't hear you. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I didn't know. I just got what Steve said. Go ahead and describe. Okay. So, um, What I am thinking, hoping is to have a tent in the front, seven parking spaces of the building. I was standing out there one day thinking, what am I going to do? You know, help. And all of a sudden it came to me that maybe I could put a tent there. So first I called Palmer though, who's my landlord and said, Hey, you know, what do you think about this? Because in my memory, it was his parking. It was his parking space. It was so long ago. I couldn't remember anyway. He said, yep, you know, those are mine, but I have a deal with the city about maintenance with those. I think you should do it. Go. You have my blessing. So go ahead. And then I have a friend that works. In South here at the blue paddle bistro. And they got a tent and she said it was wonderful. And so then I really wanted it. And so then I, I called either Meredith or Audra first and said, you know, what do I do? And they were so helpful because I had no idea what to do. And a Meredith has put up with me through the whole thing. So Vermont 10 company can give me a tent. I got the numbers wrong initially. It's a 15 by 60, 10 and the parking lot is 63 by 18. So the tent is shorter than the end of the parking spaces and not as long as the whole thing. It can be weighted down with weights instead of stakes. If the stakes are in the way, because we can't, I mean, I know we can't put the stakes only in certain places. So he, he can also do it with weights and it's much less in the way or goes out of the bounds of, of what we want. Right now I have four little tables outside and that's all I have for seating and it's been wonderful and very popular. But you know, I'm not going to make it with, with four tables. Might have a restaurant. So that's my, that's my hope. How many tables can you place under the tent? I can place between six and eight depending on right now. He's having us be 10 feet apart. And if he moves it to six feet apart, I obviously could get more in there. But either six to eight, I'm not, it depends how I actually put them, like maybe I'm going to have a table of six and then a table of two and then a table of four. You know, I'll have to see exactly, but not more than eight would be under there. And again, the tent is 15 by 60. It's 15 by 60. Yeah. Carol, this is Liz. Do you see any size to the tent in case it rains or is really windy? Yes, both. It has sides that come down. You can just roll down the sides and then the wind. Meredith asked me about the wind today and it can sustain. I think he said up to 70 miles an hour, but at 38 miles an hour, you have to evacuate the tent. So, you know, I have to know that. Thank you. Carol, is the tent white? The tent is white and it's really pretty. Yeah, it's very, it's appealing to look. It looks like one of those pretty wedding. Yeah. And will you be using the inside tables you have now on the outside? I will. I will. And I did send a picture. It's somewhere in my packet, I think. I'll go back to it on the share screen. It's just a big table. I'm going to use the same chairs that I had. Okay. Do any of the committee members have any questions regarding the tent? And seating? No. Nope. Nope. Okay. Then we can go through the criteria for the tent. Number one, preservation of reconstruction of the appropriate historic style. If the proposed projects in the historic district were involves an historic structure. The tent at this location is acceptable. Harmony of exterior design with other properties in the district acceptable. Compatibility of proposed exterior materials, whether the properties in the district acceptable. Compatibility of proposed landscaping. None applied for in this application. None added. Prevention of the use of incompatible designs, buildings, color schemes or exterior materials. So that's where we're going to go. Okay. Okay. That's acceptable. Location and appearance of all utilities. Is there any lighting in the tent? I'm going to use the little white lights, like little white. Michael lights. And that's really all I'm going to have is. Those around. Okay. They'll be, they'll be. Well, there probably be. I hadn't really gotten this far, but candles on the tables. If that's acceptable. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. We can just make a notation that there would be string light. I'm assuming string lights available. Inside the tent. Yes. Okay. And lastly, recognition of and respect for view quarters and significant vistas, including gateway views of the city and state house. Acceptable. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for naming your name. This is Martha. I mean, yes. And it says yes. This says yes. Steve says yes. Yay. And your application is approved. Thank you so much. So. You're quite welcome. Yeah. I will, I'll be in touch probably tomorrow. Just because you've got, I've got to make sure I've got the exact conditions for it. Perfect. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you, Carol. Thank you, Meredith. Thank you, Carol. Good luck with your project. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Hi, Carol. Hi. Hi. Hi. And has everyone had a chance to look at the minutes from the May, the 18th meeting? Yes. This is my. Any comments, questions or changes? Perfect. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you, Carol. Thank you, Meredith. Thank you, Carol. Good luck with your project. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Hi, Carol. Hi. Hi. And has everyone had a chance to look at the minutes from the May the 18th meeting. Any comments or changes? No. If not, do I hear a motion to approve the minutes? This is Martha. I make a motion to approve the minutes. Do I hear a second? Yes. All in favor of the minutes again, speak your name. Martha. Yes. Hannah. Yes. Yes. Steve. Yes. The minutes are approved. Is anyone have anything else to add? If not, do I hear a motion to adjourn? So moved. This is Hannah. And I second it. This is Martha. All in favor of adjournment again, speak your name. Martha. Yes. Hannah. Yes. Yes. And Steve. Yes. The meeting is adjourned.