 usually shops at the Silk Road and so. Oh, that makes sense now. Now, now it's all syncing in. Yeah. Let me see if I can hire, uh, look for employees on Alibaba. All right, I'm on Alibaba now. Let's see. Just for fun. What's the thing I could buy? Like, I don't know, uh, the thing you could buy. Stormtrooper costume. What about made outfit? Uh, that's what I get back mostly is good selection of made outfits. You know, adult lace something and then they just insert the word, um, uh, stormtrooper in the search can be problematic. I'll give you that. Yeah, I looked up transformers and all I get are large pieces of, uh, under 32 kilovolt to 110 kilovolt three phase oil, immersed vulture of voltage. The international transformer toy. Maybe if I put Hasbro in the search. Oh, nothing. Well, there, the problem is their names of products can be a thousand. I mean, such as all these words, it's all keywords. And so you could have any product and just put a popular keyword in it would. I can have a transforming robot block toy can add candy to it. Ooh, I can add candy to it. Oh, who does it? What kid doesn't want to have a transformer that turns into a large tour bus? Oh, they have a super wings. You want your super wings that Korean South Korean cartoon? Oh, I'm chat. Oh, they're selling, they're selling amiibo NFC tags. It's, it's, some of the stuff is just skeezy. Can you believe how close and retacular it's gotten? Dude, it's a week and a half. I'm losing my mind. I'm sorry. No, it's fine. It's going to be great. I just, it's always about this much. Before I start to give you ever play that pixie song in the background just to get things going. Didn't I? I play a lot of crooner music. It calms me down. Fly me to the moon. That kind of thing. Yeah, like that. Yeah. Totally that. Let me prepare for no techie. Would you consider Bobby Darren crooner or no? I don't know. Darren could do some crooner, but he also was a pop singer. He did, uh, somewhere beyond the sea. Oh, I like that song. Somewhere. He was the only one. In fact, then everybody did everything. They literally did. They also paused their own shoes, drove their own cars, built their own health care, raised their own leaching worms. I need control. Speaking of you now, do you need control? You deserve control. Yes. All right. Here we go. You guys ready? I'm so good hiding. I guess she didn't ask me if I was good. I am ready. You evaded the question like a true something or other. All right. Here we go. Daily Tech News show is powered by you, the audience. You're the only one who has influence over this show. To find out more, head to patreon.com slash dtns. This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, June 21st, 2017. I'm Tom Merritt joining me on Wednesday. Scott Johnson in the house getting ready to put a layer of tech frosting on that tech cake you've been preparing for. They all have to bring the tech cake though, right? We're not providing both cake and frosting. Are we in charge of- I like to feel like their minds are the tech cake and the frosting we're providing is the understanding of technology. Well, this is a very unique- It's not a strained metaphor in any way. Not at all. It's a unique and intimate relationship. I'm happy to be a part of it and I would just ask people to be in a nice tight orderly line so that we can get through this as fast as possible. Okay? Boy, you are preparing for intertacular next week. Hey, we all know that Travis Kalanick has resigned as CEO of Uber and we are going to be talking quite a bit about what that might mean for Uber, for Lyft, for the ride hailing industry, etc. Let's start out with a few tech things you should know about. Snapchat added SnapMap, a way to share a location with friends on Android and iOS, starting now. Location sharing is off by default, so don't worry. They're not going to start sharing your location without your permission. Even after you share it with your selected friends, you can turn it off anytime or it'll go off automatically after a few hours of not using Snapchat. Yeah, you can tell they're being a little careful with that. That's probably good. I'm happy to support them in that mode. Toshiba has selected a group of Japanese companies backed by the Japanese government to buy its chip business. That's right. Toshiba chips are tasty, tasty. It hopes to reach a formal agreement by next Wednesday. However, Western Digital, a minority owner of Toshiba, is suing for the right to approve any deal it goes through. Solid state goodness. Yeah, this has been a long-going process because Toshiba needs to sell this to make up some debt. Japan really likes its companies to stay in Japan and nobody was stepping forward. Foxconn was putting together a bid. Apple was even apparently part of backing that bid. It looks like Toshiba is trying to go with this Japanese consortium, yet Western Digital wants a little bit of a say over that. Thank you. Spotify has launched Group Playlists for Messenger. It lets you create playlists with friends at Facebook's Messenger. Friends don't even need to be Spotify members to add songs to your shared playlist, but they will have to get Spotify if they want to play them back. Yeah. For some reason, the idea of helping contribute to a playlist is neat and all, but if you can't actually hear the thing, what are you doing? You may as well just get on Spotify. There are several scenarios. You're going on a road trip. One of you has Spotify, but everybody wants to pick the playlist or a party or a wedding. There could be lots of situations where you're all going to be hearing this playlist from the one person who has Spotify. That's a good point, and that is probably a primary use case for Facebook Messenger as it stands anyway. Why not add this function? I actually really like how Spotify is everywhere in all places, and I really wish Apple Music would do the same. Maybe I'll start using it one of these days. Who knows? Now here are some more top stories. Starting now, people can pay to send Periscope Broadcasters Super Hearts. This is one of those new trends paying for emoticons in services. Broadcasters in the US who receive $175 worth of Super Hearts, it's apparently like 185,000 hearts, get designated Super Broadcasters, and if approved by Twitter, can cash out about 70% of the money that's left over after taxes and app store fees. It's going to be available on iOS and Android. They will eventually expand outside the US so everybody can cash out. Users have to buy packs of coins. They're in-app purchases and then can spend the coins on three different kinds of Super Hearts. The cheapest is covered in plus signs. The middle one's bubbly and sparkly and the one that costs the most coins explodes and has your face in the center. $0.99 worth of coins can send roughly 30 of the cheapest Super Hearts. Okay, I don't want to jump the gun here, but here's my thinking. Periscope, a Twitter company, maybe they experiment here, and we get super likes coming to Twitter soon where you pay and they finally find their business model. You pay for likes. I mean, I don't think you're far off the mark here. I think Twitter absolutely wants to try this out and see if it's viable enough to expand it to other things on Twitter, whether it's likes or super retweets or stickers and stick line and cacao and others have been making bank off stickers for years. I wouldn't be surprised to see Twitter try that if this goes well. Yeah, and then related content happening over on Twitch, this has proven to be a big moneymaker for them. And not only that, just widely accepted by the users and by those using the services, I find it baffling that you would want to pay for icon stickers or little emotes or things that would make you a little cooler than the one guy who just had a base. But you're happy to take their money on Twitch, aren't you? I am, I guess. I don't even know how much of that is happening there with me because I don't know if I've got the same crowd or not, but it is one of the more interesting pieces of the internet. And if you could just go back in time and tell the people that were really prophesying the idea of micro payments and show them this, I think their minds would be blown because this is kind of it and it's most like raw primordial form. I mean, this is this is pretty complicated though. I always hate something where I have to buy coins in order to buy something else when they disintermediate the amount I'm paying from what I'm buying. I don't know that, I mean, they have a bigger periscope audience than a lot of people think. In fact, it's one of the pillars in Twitter's live video strategy that's being put together. I wonder how many people will really want to go to the trouble to buy coins and manage coins just so they can give superhearts. Well, and the only thing I would say on the tail end of this is that one of the reasons these work really well on Twitch and services like that is because you're dealing with kind of a star and fan base mentality. I think that's trickier to do on Twitter or at least it feels almost separate because sure, you may have a big following on Twitter and people are following your tweets, liking them retweeting and whatever, and you might be even replying a lot with people. That's the interaction model. But when it comes to live video that you're doing on Periscope, I don't, I mean, maybe it's the same as the Twitch model. Don't forget, there are people who do regular periscopes and have a following. They may not be as big as Twitch stars, but they do exist. Yeah, it's probably enough, I guess is my point. And we'll see how that goes long-term. Former Apple SVP Scott Forstall. I remember this guy. I won't tell you why I remember him because it's kind of mean. So I'm not going to say it. Discuss the birth of the iPhone at an event at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View, California. We talked about the demonstration of the first iPhone to singular executives. Remember them? Singular. They were around for a hot minute. He talked about the demonstration of that phone to them. And this was just weeks before the first announcement. He then addressed why they used skeu-morphism in the first design of the phone, saying it was meant to make the iOS operating system approachable and easy to use, although it wasn't called iOS then. No, no, no, no. This is later that skeu-morphism came in. Skeu-morphism wasn't there right from the start. Oh, really? Because I thought the... I don't think so. I think it's... It was when they... Remember when they made the memo recording thing show reel-to-reel tapes? That's when it really started. Yeah, that's true. They kind of... I mean, Apple is weird this way because they've kind of done this on and off with everything, even macOS back in, I don't know, the leopard days. The calendar was supposed to look like an actual paper-backed calendar and pages would turn and they really went for that. And obviously, most design and most operating systems have gone far from that and more to actually predict. Give it year, two years. I predict by 2020, we're all back in on skeu-morphism and it might have something to do with AR. What Forstall particularly was addressing here was people criticizing that skeu-morphism that he brought to iOS that as soon as he left Apple immediately was ripped out. Yeah, that's true. They got rid of it right quick. But anyway, that's cool that he's talking. I thought there was a big falling out with him and Apple and at the time... Oh, there was. Yeah. So I guess it's nice that he can go to a conference and not freak out. It's the first time he's made any public statements since he left Apple almost five years ago. And when I say he left, I mean, he didn't want to leave. He was pretty much asked to leave by all accounts. He's been doing other kinds of things, funding Broadway plays apparently and stuff. So he's doing fine. But yeah, it was interesting that they had some engineers who had worked on the original iPhone come out on stage first, then they all left, then Forstall came out. Now, that could be because he is a high-level guy. You want to give him all the focus when he comes out. And good of him to be at this sort of 10-year anniversary of the iPhone that he was willing to come out and chat with folks. Yeah, I just remember very specifically the 07 announcement video that they did, which white background, various people talking about the product that were all big wigs at Apple. And then his section was all about how the phone actually worked, how to use voicemail, how to use calling. And I remember, I just remember that seeming so crazy at the time, like I didn't actually think that what they were talking about was going to happen. And it was a big deal. So I think to hear from the voices of those who were there, just like I'd want to hear from the original Macintosh team or the guys that were all working at Xerox back when they got kind of a mouse interface working, like that stuff is so interesting to me. So I'm glad he's able to talk. Maybe an NDA ran out or something. Maybe. It could be. I think it's probably more likely that Computer Museum reached out to him for the 10th anniversary and he was like, all right, fine. I'll limit. As long as you limit a task in me about this, this, and that, I'm comfortable doing it. XDA developers.com alleges that the one plus five review unit that they and others got manipulates benchmark results and that such benchmarks should not be trusted. The method of manipulation is different this time than the cheating that was discovered in the one plus three T, but it's starting to become a pattern of behavior from one plus. There's a lot of good information on XDA developers about who at one plus is cooperating with them on this and who's pointing out, well, it may be some developers doing something with the code. So it's not all of one plus that's trying to game the system. But the sad effect is the past two phones from one plus have game the benchmark system. It games it to deliver maximum CPU frequency and affects most of the benchmarking tools out there, including geek bench for it does not seem to affect 3D mark this time. But XDA is pretty much just saying, you know, if you care about benchmarks and phones, don't pay attention to the one plus ones, because they are giving you inaccurate information. Seems like you in, in the, I don't know, in our current time, if you're making any kind of product, especially a phone, a personal phone device with all the functionality you expect from a device like that, that people would figure out that you were game the system like, you don't need to. I don't think the majority of the populace looks at benchmarking results to make their phone decision. And XDA is even saying it's still a great phone. In fact, the big negative is that they tried to game the system and it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Yeah, it's like when I'll use Apple's example, I'm not trying to make this an Apple story, but when they get up and say, and the new phone has two extra hours of life past the last year, and people immediately scrambled the test. It's like, well, let's make sure they're not blowing smoke up our butts. And then they'll come back and say, oh, actually, they were. Well, that's in Apple's best interest. It's in the one plus interest to give what they say they're going to give. Otherwise, someone's going to find out. It's too easy to find out. Now, nobody's going to just ignore it or not be smart enough to look deep into these phones. The whole reason they're getting review units is to put them through every possible pace. Yeah. I think that's a weird thing. Yeah, Gouchum says people pay attention to reviewers who look at benchmarks, but even reviewers, they don't judge the majority of the review based on the benchmarks. That's just one piece of the puzzle. So maybe it gives you a little added advantage, but you almost always get caught. Every time this happens, people generally get caught pretty quickly. And it just, it actually backfires on you. So I just, I don't know why anyone, I'm not going to tar the entire company because it sounds like there's left hand not knowing what the right hand's doing here, but I don't know why anyone would think this is a good idea. Yeah. I mean, don't forget, Sony put some weird stuff on disks back. All right. Ah, root kits. Yeah. There was the hand not knowing the other hand was doing. Sega in the news. I know it's like the nineties all up in here. Sega announced a line of games called Sega forever. I've already downloaded this and been messing with it. This brings classic titles to Android and iOS for free. Now, when I say that there's a caveat, they are all ad supported users can pay a buck 99 to turn off those ads, which is nice. The games feature cloud saves, Bluetooth controller support and online leaderboards launch titles coming Thursday. Include an update to the previously available Sonic the Hedgehog own altered beast kid chameleon and fantasy star two new titles would come out every two weeks. The idea is that eventually you could in theory own every classic game Sega ever made and any possibly some third party titles. They make a license deal with to get them out there. It's a little janky right now. Just a quick review for me. The payout to buy Sonic the Hedgehog so it would just work. Didn't work for me. Ads were still showing even after it confirmed that I paid. Others are reporting similar things. So there's some issues right up front, but if you are a big fan of the classic Sega catalog, it's probably good news for you. And, you know, and just getting started, right? I guess the only disappointment I had, and this is probably only me that thought this is when I first saw the headline, I'm like, Oh, they're doing what Atari did where you can, you can buy the Atari app and either buy individual titles or you can just buy out the whole collection. Whereas this is a bunch of individual apps. You're going to have a different app for every game and granted, you can put them all in a folder and it's pretty much the same thing. But I would have preferred with these retro games that you just give me everything at once. Yeah. Give me the arcade and then let me go into the arcade and decide what I want to play. Yeah. And you don't even have to do what Atari did with the 999 gets you everything, but that's kind of cool. Yeah. There's a theory floating around and they haven't confirmed this exactly. They've just said, Sega back catalog. But in theory, this could go all the way up to Dreamcast releases. And that's really interesting. Yeah. It ends up being, you know, controller supported version of the original soul caliber or something. People are going to lose their minds. That's a great game and should perform great on modern hardware. So if that's what they're going to do long term, that's really exciting. And it's kind of weird new life for Sega, but a little plugey how they're making you do it. I think the arcade way is a better way to go. Yeah. It's funny. I saw on Twitter Bridget Carey from CNET saying, I never thought I could justify spending $700 to buy a Bluetooth Genesis controller to go with my iPhone, but here we are. Nice. I can confirm by the way it works with what I played at the Sonic game and a comic zone. I think I played there are no kick million. They play with standard my five controllers and the iOS just fine. So the Nimbus controller from Steel series works like a charm. So you're, if you've already got some sort of dual stick style controller for, for your mobile device, you're probably going to be just fine using that. Yeah. And even though the titles are supposed to launch Thursday, it sounds like they're already out. So go track them down. Finally, Twitch announced it will exclusively stream some of Blizzard's biggest tournaments, Hearthstone, Heroes of the Storm, all that kind of stuff through 2018. And from June 20th through August 10th, Blizzard is giving Twitch Prime members free in game items. You'll get some Hearthstone stuff. You'll get some Heroes of the Storm stuff and a golden loot box in Overwatch. So it's a huge deal. It's a great it means good things for people who like to get their content on Twitch. I think fans are very excited about this. And also free stuff is cool. The one thing I think they're just confusing about in their marketing for this is that a Twitch Prime membership is a Amazon Prime membership. So if you have Amazon Prime, you have Twitch Prime and you may not even know that some people do. And in that case, you just need to make sure you tie your account on Twitch to your Prime account and boom, this free stuff is yours. So How do you tie your Blizzard account to that? You got to do that part too, right? Same deal. Yeah. So you go in there, they did this, they do this sometimes with like some other tournaments. It's like, if you, you know, log in for the spring bash or whatever for the HTC and Heroes, we'll give you an exclusive portrait or something in the game. And to do that, you go through a little API routine that just lets you log in your Blizzard account. And then it shows there in the API page of all your connected style accounts. And that could be everything from the old Curse app to Discord to one of these games. And so it sounds like it'll probably be tied to your Blizzard overall account because that's kind of how Blizzard does it now. But yeah, free stuff and no reason to not do this. So get on it if you like any of those. I mean, that guarantees you some good stuff, doesn't it? That guarantees at least a legendary, which is a huge deal. And you consider legendaries are very expensive to buy as a sharded item and very hard to get just as a random sort of, you know, Vegas wheel spin. So absolutely. That's probably the thing that's going to drive the most people to do it. But I think it's interesting to watch Twitch starting to make these very exclusive deals with publishers that have a ton of a poll. Blizzard being one, Riot Games being another. Certainly they work with Valve on different things, but the more exclusives they get, the more reason people have to stay maybe away from Microsoft's new game streaming platform and staying with Twitch, not going to YouTube and staying with Twitch. And seeing Twitch as the place to watch esports is important to Twitch as well. You've got ESPN settled in to streaming esports. You've got Turner Networks doing it, and now NBC Sports has got a deal to do some esports. So Twitch has some competition from the traditional broadcasters and really has the advantage that it shouldn't lose. So it should make deals like this. It should. And the more they make, the more the players get incentivized to stay. Like, this makes me want to do it here. And Turner's not going to give me a free loot box. So why would I care about that? Like it really does cater to what makes Twitch popular in the first place. And I think that's going to be all good for them. By the way, Shard. Did I say shard? Sharded. No, you said it's just some people can't tell. I'm glad I didn't say shard. That would have been trouble. Did he say he said shard? Side note to this, too. Just as someone who has followed Blizzard for many years, isn't it interesting to see a big Blizzard announcement that don't mention Warcraft? I know Warcraft Arena is one of the tournaments that's going to be streamed by Twitch, but this is all about Overwatch, Hearthstone, and Heroes. Yeah, those three games, those are your, that's your competition now. I mean, wow, I would love to have a bigger share of that stuff, but it's, you know, they can't make it up. They're going to have to go here. A couple of years ago, people were wondering if Blizzard could, you know, could survive with Warcraft, and it's almost at this point like, well, sure, that would be nice. Yeah, I think they had a meeting, and after that meeting, it was no holds barred, and they are now proving that they are a company that does not need one MMO to survive. They're killing. Hey, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, subscribe to DailyTechHeadlines.com as a podcast on your Amazon Echo as a flash briefing, or in the anchor app at anchor.fm. All right, Uber CEO Travis Kalanick announced he has accepted the investor's request to step aside so that Uber can go back to building rather than be distracted with another fight. He had already stepped away in a leave of absence, and apparently five of the company's biggest investors. Benchmark, first round capital, lowercase capital, Menlo Ventures and Fidelity Investments demanded his resignation. He accepted the investor's request, so there's a little between the lines frustration here. The Uber board issued a statement saying, very nice things about Kalanick, and finishing up by saying, we look forward to continuing to serve with him on the board. He is a member of the board of directors and the New York Times reports that he controls the majority of Uber's voting shares. So he didn't have to do this. The board couldn't make him do it because he has the majority of the votes, but he decided to do it anyway. That implies that even Travis Kalanick thinks it's probably just best for the company if he's not involved, despite his own inclinations. So there's a lot of questions out there. Does it have to do with the horrible press releases that have been put out defending Uber? Does it have to do with the investigation? Does it have to do with Susan Fowler? Does it have to do with the lawsuit with Waymo? Or some people are speculating, those things as bad as they were and are might not have driven him away if Uber wasn't in better financial shape, but maybe it's lackluster earnings. Yeah, well, very well could be. It's impossible to look at one without the other one creeping in though, right? There's no way that people are... It's certainly all of it together, right? But I think what folks are saying is, look, we all are paying attention to the controversies. If those controversies hadn't happened and they had bad earnings, you might still see Travis being nudged towards the door. Oh, interesting. Yeah, I guess so. I mean, it's interesting, by the way, the total side note that has nothing to do with that particular statement, but I just noticed his Wikipedia page refers to him as the former CEO of Transport. Already, yeah. Somebody was Johnny on the spot with that, but it's funny. You don't hear these kinds of... We talked about this a bit on TMS this morning with you. You don't hear this kind of stuff ever coming out of Lyft, and I don't even mean like when there's a poor performing month or quarter, there's not talk of, well, it needs to be a shakeup at Lyft, or the too bad this is going on at Lyft. I mean, the worst thing Lyft seemed to have ever done was put mustaches on their cars and those are gone now. So clearly there's a difference between the... Well, it may be that Lyft has spent its money more wisely. Remember, what Lyft is doing is partnering with companies, partnering with General Motors, taking an investment from General Motors, partnering with Waymo, not being sued by Waymo, not spending a lot of money on fighting lawsuits in side your own company as well as in metro areas all around the world. They're not spending a lot of money on research and development and trying to hire a bunch of people away from Carnegie Mellon. They're spending a lot less money and having a lot more success or at least as much success as Uber. Yeah. So, and also maybe it's that whole thing of if you're the big boy, if you're the one everyone knows about and talks about, if you're the one big brand, if you're Coke and RC Cola can have a thousand internal little problems, we're never going to hear about them because you're kind of in the shadow of that bigger deal and Uber can't help but be that big name and all it takes is a couple... Oh, okay. I think my problem with that analysis is I think Lyft is Pepsi first of all, not RC. And second of all, if Coke is over there saying, F you, we're going to sell our sugar water wherever we want and we don't care about your damp food regulations, it's a little different than Coke versus RC and Pepsi is now where you don't see them having arrogance. I mean, there's something on top of this from top to bottom, from treating their own employees with disrespect to treating federal regulations, cities, taxi cab, their own drivers. Don't forget, Colinick, yelling at one of his drivers about how he didn't understand. There's a whole lot more attached to Uber baggage-wise than almost any other company you could think of. You're totally right. And maybe some... I've heard the argument out loud recently that the reason Uber is where they are in terms of market leadership is because they've been so scrappy. You could translate that to mean willing to take shortcuts or to roll over regulations or to do whatever it took to be a maverick in that space and completely dominate it. And it just, I feel like we're just at that stage where that is now biting them in the butt. You can't do that forever. You might be able to do that as a scrappy startup, but you can't do it for years and years and years. I wonder when I look at the success of Lyft, when I look at the success of Grab Taxi and Ola and all these other ride hailing companies around the world, did they need to do it? I mean, Uber likes to say that that's how they succeeded because they were rough and tumble. And in some respects, I think that probably did give them a huge advantage. But did they need to do it? Did they have to be that way to succeed? Is it because Uber was that way that Lyft can be nicer? Is the question, I don't know that that's true. Yeah, I think you're probably right. I mean, they were certainly on to something. Nobody questions that. It's just an issue of whether they could have done this a little, I don't know, with a softer touch. And Lyft is maybe benefiting by seeing that and doing their own thing and doing it the way they want happens to also align with the way people think you should run a company like that. So, I mean, there's plenty of arguments to be made for why or why not Lyft is benefiting by being in the sort of the back draft of this other company. But that may change now. This may be a huge thing for Lyft. Lyft can just kind of quietly off to the side say, well, we're just going to keep growing and partnering and focusing and doing the things that are kind of the opposite of the problems you're having over here with them. And maybe Lyft becomes the household name and Uber not as much. Tinas in Cape Town wrote us a nice letter saying, it's not often one can write in a response before the show. But hi, Tom Scott and Roger, some thoughts on the exodus at Uber. Can we all agree that Uber is not a startup? The company is eight years old and the rapid expansion in the last three has seen it grow to a large company. They have had several funding rounds and at their last funding round, very high stock prices. This is a company with stakeholders with huge financial risk attached. The second part is that their ambush approach to extension is no longer effective. The industry that they're disrupting is closing the gap with their own apps or with leaning on the politicians of cities and governments to protect them and up the entry threshold to the likes of Uber. So here we are at the end of the red wedding week at Uber. What is next? Uber is still losing money. They're doing this by burning capital, capital raised at the back of rapid growth that is slowing. So if this week of mass exodus is anything other than the investors stepping in and starting to clean up the company, image, policies, and expenses, is anything other than prepping for an IPO, I would be surprised. Uber's biggest problem going forward would be to improve the income statement, provide growth the legal route, and get ready for that listing. The picking of the next CEO will be telling into which direction they are going. And that brings us to that question. Who runs this place next? Who does Uber's board pick as the next CEO? Who would want this job when Travis Kalanick still owns more than 50% of the voting shares? Arianna Huffington, darling. Arianna is a board member and she was as early earlier this week arguing that Travis should stay in charge. So I don't think she steps in though. She's not the CEO for Uber. I think she's probably happy to be on the board. But don't you think we've talked about a few people prior to the show. It was actually kind of hard to pick names. There's got to be a huge roster of people in Silicon Valley alone with all kinds of diverse experience, maybe not in ride sharing or whatever their specific market is, but people from YouTube, people from Apple, people from 1,000 other places. I mean, both of these guys who founded the thing came from diverse backgrounds that had nothing to do with this eventually became. So I feel like that's really up in the air. There's no favorites. Are there? Well, no, there aren't. Merissa Meyer is recently available, obviously, but I don't think that works because Uber wants a non-controversial choice. And whatever you think of Merissa Meyer, she is not and everybody can agree, oh, that's a good choice. Cheryl Sandberg, on the other hand, the COO at Facebook would be a great choice. Everyone would agree. That's an awesome choice. Problem there is Cheryl probably doesn't want to leave Facebook right now. I've heard Susan Wojcicki's name kicked around. She is the CEO at YouTube. And while being CEO at YouTube is important, you're not CEO of Google, you're CEO of YouTube, which is a subsidiary of Google, which is a subsidiary of Alphabet. So this would be a bigger role for her. I, again, don't know that she wants to leave YouTube. So that would be interesting. And of course, if you look in the car department, there's no female executives really to choose from. But you do have Alan Nalali, who used to run Ford and was often lauded for his interactive experience. And you've got, oh, what's the recently departed Ford CEO, Mark Fields. But then again, he's recently departed for a reason. And that, that starts to bring in some controversy again. We asked Justin Robby Young, who was really sad that it's not his day to be on DTNS. He said, my take is that Uber will go with the most qualified woman as a new CEO, or put Ariana Huffington on a press tour, or both? Maybe both. Maybe we'll tell they do it. I, somebody in your, your patron group, Salak suggested Leigh Iacocca. How do you feel about that? Is it only 92? He's, he's rested. He's ready. Yeah. I don't think Leigh Iacocca or somebody else suggested Carl Icahn. Carl likes to, he likes to stir the pot. He doesn't like to be responsible for the pot. So I don't think he's going to be taken over as CEO. Is John, is John DeLorean around still? He could do it. Sure. Yeah. We could, let's just bring out Ed Koch, the mayor of New York too, while we're talking about 80s superstar businessmen. Yeah. I'm checking, I'm checking our Facebook to see if anybody had any responses. And there's really, there's no obvious successor. I think that's why it's, that's why this one's so weird. Like if you were saying to me, oh, a new CEO at Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg is going to focus on politics or something. So they're going to, whatever, you'd say, oh, it's somebody internally, or they're going to pull from over here or this guy that ran Novell for 30 years, that he's perfect or whatever. Like it's easier to pick those for some reason. I don't know why Uber's hard. And it's also going to be a very high pressure job. If you think Marissa Meyer's spotlight was, was hot while she was trying to do things at Yahoo, this is going to be laser burning your skin off hot for a while anyway, while somebody goes in there and is expected by everybody with interest in this. To clean up the joint. And that's a complicated thing because we're not talking about us, an oil spill. We're talking about a big cultural change at a company that maybe needs it. And Uber is going to want someone currently viable, someone who is currently running a company and who is trusted. Or if they are no longer running a company, there's a very good justifiable reason why, which is like they cashed out because they sold their very successful company to somebody else. They're not going to want someone who is either close to retirement or at least I don't think so, or, or has had a company that just hasn't worked very well. I know this is an offshoot and maybe no way this would happen, but is there any chance that all of this boils down to the board saying, you know what, we should sell to somebody? You know, that's a really good question. I wouldn't be crazy surprised if that happened. You kind of need the CEO in place for that to happen, I think. But if I'm the board, if a lot of those members on the board, I'm thinking about selling instead of IPOing. And, and, and, and just, and just doing an analysis to figure out like, which gets me the more most money. Yeah, it'd have to be a monstrous company too. It'd have to be Apple, Google, Facebook, somebody like that. Or it could be car company. Or yeah, that's true. That's true. Yeah, I could absolutely see a car conglomerate willing to splash out to get Uber under the right circumstances. Yeah. Yeah, that's an interesting twist. I wonder if that'll happen, but we'll see. Colin wrote in as for our message of the day and wanted to give us a little context about import restrictions for movies and television. We talked about that with Patrick Beja yesterday. For quick historical context, the roots of the situation lies in World War II when the European film industry was disrupted, but the American industry was not. Following the war, US producers had a backlog of movies that had not, had, or that had already closed. And selling them overseas, even for pennies on the dollar, was pure windfall. It was enormously successful and became part of the business model in the United States. Essentially in the US and India, the domestic market is large enough to allow productions with substantially higher budgets to make their money back domestically. International sales then make the production profitable by selling to many countries for small amounts of money. So an international distributor can get much more value for their dollar by buying an American or Indian film than by buying a local one. Many countries therefore try to limit how many foreign films can be imported to make domestic production more financially competitive. Regulating Netflix would therefore be a way of modernizing those existing restrictions. This is also part of the cause for the much bemoaned inability to release the same streaming catalog in multiple countries. Each country and territory usually has its own deal with the producer and different local import and release rules. Thank you Colin for that. Yeah. 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We're live Monday through Friday for 30pm Eastern 2030 UTC at alphageekradio.com and diamondclub.tv or at facebook.com slash dailytechnewshow and our website is dailytechnewshow.com. Back tomorrow with Justin, Robert Young. Talk to you then. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at frogpants.com. Diamond Club hopes you have enjoyed this program. All right. So, Steve, I submitted this as a title that I saw do it in the chat room just now. Open Zuber app. Selects new CEO. No CEOs currently in your area. No CEOs currently in your area is not bad as a shortened one. Yeah. Yeah. It actually makes that work. That could work. Can you hear me? Well, yes, we can. I don't know. It's 50-50. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. Kalanik Uber ousted. Dollar sign, dollar sign, dollar sign, super heart. All right. Who runs Uber? Master Blaster runs Uber. That's a Mad Max beyond ThunderDome reference. That is correct. Open Zuber. Toshiba's chips go well with salsa. Western Digital has a Toshiba chip on its shoulder. Periscope, coins, super hearts. Sega does when N10 don't on mobile. That's from the old Sega ads from the 90s. Early 90s, late 80s. Lift is Pepsi, not RC. I don't think there's a line between R and C, is there? RC Cola. Me and my RC. It always tasted like watered down diet, so to me. What's good enough for other folks ain't good enough for me. Kalanik is lifted out of Uber. Uber's Travis Free. His name's something I want to click here. Travis Free, like Travesty. Uber's Travis Free. Maybe. Hey, that one's Ryzen. No CEO's currently in your area. The numbers. I'm pretty much settled on that one. I'm still curious what else is in here, but I agree. That one's really good. Sega, ND life, Blizzard shards on Twitch. Shard. Sharded. Spiting him in the butt. Butt. Travis. Bye, Travis. Bye, Felicia. Bye, Travis. Bye, Travis. Uber Grey Balls for CEO. Yeah, because the gray ball thing. Oh, I forgot about that reference. We didn't talk about gray ball, but that was one of the many controversies. But you forget that gray ball happened since January. Like that whole revelation has happened alongside all of this other stuff. It's just a mountain. January to now is a weird compressed thing. On lots of fronts, but I feel like the Uber stuff is just every day something. Strike it rich suggests that Uber get Jack Barker to come in, which only Silicon Valley viewers are going to get. Jack Barker. Yeah. I still haven't seen a single episode of that show. Oh, you got to watch the, this week's episode was, had the pineapple all over it. Oh, yeah, heard about it. Yeah. Well, I got to just get to sit down and watch the damn thing. Don't have one within reach. For once I don't have a pineapple within reach. I must have moved it. Oh my gosh. I can't believe there's not a thing. I know, right? Man. It was funny to see it. Like I knew it was going to be in the show before I saw it because I'd been spoiled on that part. But I was, I was not expecting how much it was in the show. I don't know if it was properly used. It's kind of, they kind of kept it vague. Seems, seemed likely though, from what I could tell. I didn't know the other half of the founding dudes of Uber. It was Colaknick and Stumble upon's Garrett Camp. And I didn't know that he was a Stumble upon guy. Yeah. This is one of those situations where you have the silent co-founder. Huh? Yeah. They just kind of drift away. I'm looking at it. Maybe that's who you bring in. There's a picture of him here. He's just sort of chilling. He's currently founder of Expa, formally founder and chairman at Uber, founder and chairman at Stumble upon. He is worth. Sounds like he doesn't relish the CEO role. He doesn't have a CEO stuff in there. He's, he's worth 6.9 billion. I think he did all right. Yeah. He's, no, he's not crying. Yeah. He's fine. Although I don't know. There's plenty out there that says money doesn't make you happy. So maybe he's the least happy person on this page. I don't know. I don't know. I bet Calak, Calaknik or his name is. Kalanick. Kalanick is, um, I bet he's got an interesting story. Like I had some point I want to hear. I want some documentary about Uber. I was, whenever big corporate controversies like Enron or anything else happen, I love whatever comes out of the documentary scene from it. It's always interesting to me and I hate waiting for it. Travis Kalanick was born in a small brick house in the middle. 76. Yeah. But when he was young, he started sharing his big wheels with other. He'd make kids yell if there was a wagon nearby. He would charge them pogs to use his big wheel. He would also take Pokemon cards. Oh man. He's worth 0.3 or 0.2 billion less than Uber itself is worth. So that co-founder guy did real good. Yeah, it's not all from Uber, I'm guessing. Yeah. He was also a Tumblr. And maybe some of his other mother ones too. What was Red Swoosh? No idea. Red Swoosh, peer-to-peer file sharing company founded by Travis Kalanick and Michael Todd in 2001 acquired by Akame Technologies. Included centralized directory and indexed online clients and caches. Did they do middle out compression? Peer-to-peer thing. I don't know. It's another Silicon Valley reference that you're not going to get because you haven't watched me yet. I don't get it. I don't get it, Tom. Akame Technologies. Oh, Akame, back when they were still kind of at the top. Yeah, that was good to say. There was no back when. No, no. I mean, at the time when they rolled out, they were one of the few that was available. They're still dominant. Red Swoosh, they sold their file sharing technology to Akame. They just incorporated it somehow into its system. But it's a success. And then they went on and did Uber. That's interesting. Or he went on and did Uber. This is crazy. His half-sister. Oh, no. I'm sorry. He has a half-sister. Oh. He has a niece who is a semi-famous actress. She was in a tunnel. Oh, a niece, not a sister. Yeah, not a sister. I thought I was a sister at first. She's been in all kinds of stuff. Holy cow. You know there's a difference, right? Yeah, no, I know. Yes. Usually it's by age and death. This is my niece and sister. You know what? Oh, that's an old Southern Illinois joke, all right? Don't get mad at me. It's pretty good. It's a famous collectnik. Travis Kalanick of the Uber Kalaniks. The Kalaniks. It's just fun to say. You know, a lot of people are taking this as the death of Silicon Valley hubris, you know, of the bro culture and all of that of, you know, you can't just move fast and break things. You have to actually be responsible for your actions. Oh, rough year for him in May. His mother died in a boating accident. Yeah. No, we talked about that on the show. That is the original reason for his leave of absence. And I think it's a legitimate one was that his funeral was last Friday. I missed that. You know, it just could be very much the growing pains of an industry. I'm sure when the rail barons first came out, they were, I don't know what a broy culture back in the mid-1800s looked like. What is a 19th century bro? Do they all wear similar top hats and just go around? I think in the 19th century, that might have just been called being a white man. I don't know. I'm trying to imagine Carnegie or who's the other guy up JP Morgan, like doing fist bumps and stuff. Ian says, those rail barons blowing out on Nob Hill. I think there's stories we've never, never going to hear. I want to hear them though. It's just too much. It's so much money so fast. So you're so high on it, it just has to, there, you know, there's a documentary that I wonder if I do it, I'd shoot a documentary on that and then compare it with like the cocaine cowboys to kind of see. Yeah, because there's, there's very much. I mean, yeah, you know, one was a list and one's legal, but really it's, it's the story of how much money floods into a region affects everything. A wolf of Wall Street is a similar story that you guys are talking about. Yeah, totally that. And like, uh, I mean, what's the one with Jerry Maguire? Rash is pretty good with that. What is that movie called? I forgot. Oh, I'm not money ball. Uh, the other one. No, I can't remember the name. Major League? No, the one that won all these. Major League. It was more of a comedy than anything, but it was also super. Jerry Maguire. Yeah, it was like two years ago. Not even that. Oh, uh, the, the, the big something. Big short, the big short, the big hurt, but that was Frank Thomas who played for the Oakland A's who were the source of money ball. But I love stuff like that. And the Enron documentary is mind blowing. If you guys ever see it, it's really good. So it could be like the short wolf cowboy on cocaine. Yeah, short wolf cowboy on cocaine. Here's the thing. You say like, oh, when there's so much money and the attempt, it's all true, but it's not every company. And if it is at a lot of companies, it ends quick. Like they, that happens in the, in the very earliest days. And then someone comes in and is like, okay, you're, you're going to have to shape up and make a product. Uber seemed to be able to work drunk. If you, if you know what I mean, like they, they were able to continue the high and the bad behavior much longer than, than many companies. It's not, it's not a tech thing either. Cause that, that exists in the multitude of corporate rooms. It's just tech these days because tech tends to be the more successful companies, but it's any company that's successful. Yeah. No, I think that's, yeah. I think that's a fair way to put it. One drive, I don't need to upstate one drive. One drive to rule them all. One. It just pinged me with an update update. One drive. So kind of use one drive on the OS 10, right? Uses and windows. Well folks, thanks for watching. And Justin, Robert Young, I'm sure we'll have something to say about this, even if it's just in the post show tomorrow. So check back with us then. Meanwhile, I'll be watching Storm's beard on Twitter at Paul and Storm, getting ready to see it in person at Nurtacular. Wow. One more week of this and I will be the Roland, the headless Thompson gunner of the six pound pick medic.