 Welcome to Toffy TV. We continue the season reviews with our player ratings. We stand with defence and a lot of people have been asking for player ratings because they've enjoyed mine, your different player ratings. I think they've enjoyed yours most. I might have been a bit harsher and that will continue in this video but Baz is here to... This season I'm going to say one because everyone will be an eight next year. Nine. I'm here to try and take the edges off you. You are. You are. You can, it doesn't always have to be defined. You can have a difference of opinion as well. Let's start with Jordan Pickford. What is your player rating for? My overall player rating for Jordan is eight. I give him an eight out of ten for this season. I think he's coming for big money and into a team. That was a fucking mess, basically. And I think, yeah, listen, he's a young goalkeeper. He's made a few mistakes along the way. But I think the way he's conducted himself, I think he gets out bollocks players and he's a leader, I think. And we haven't had one of them in goal for a while, I don't think. I think he's been brilliant for us in a team that had the defence chop and change. We played big portions of the season with our best fullbacks, centrebacks were getting changed all the time in the field. So in a tabulent season, I think he's been a constant. He was a consistent member of the defence that we needed. Listen, he hasn't been perfect. He's conceded the goals that he should have conceded, but I don't think he's cost us a match as such. I think maybe the FA Cup at Anfield, maybe he should have stayed on his line. Well, he should have. Not maybe. But I think for his second season in the Premier League, I think he's done really, really well. One hell of a lot of points. Big saves like the one against Bournemouth. The only real shot that he had in the last minute. And I think just as all round presence in the defence, while everything else was going to pot, right-backs out, left-backs out, centre-backs out, everything gets swapped. It was important that he was consistent. I agree with an eight of the eight. Sheamus Coleman, the returning Sheamus Coleman. I want to give him a seven, because even though he had some poor games when he came back and he did, I think overall he's been very good considering the injury was horrific. But the way he came back in, the less the game he was out of this world, that first game. It was adrenaline. And it was the crowd and it was just everything. But I think in general he's been very good. For a player that has been out for so long, you don't look at him. The way you look at Balasi. And it's quite obvious he was out for a long time. Sheamus I think is almost, almost picked it back up. Mentally it doesn't seem to have gotten to at all. And that first game proved I get through it in his runs in the last minute. And I know after that he did miss a couple of weeks of games because of probably because of everything he put into that game. But that was more physical and that's fine. Mentally he was over it straight away. And I agree, I'd say a seven as well. I think he came back in and he was solid. Vocal in people's faces. Like a leader straight away. And I think the challenge on being is calm and let him know. But he came back and he just, you know, he helped the last few months of the season by being the player that you expect. A consistent player. Got into jags a few times as well in some games. You know why you've given away passes there when you can just give the easy ball. He's a leader. He really is a leader. He's developed a leader. I think that the fact of the injury has made him more of a leader. You know we've seen him when James McCarty got injured. He was like, should I, should I? And he was like, his gut took over and you can see him straight down. I think he loves the club. I think he gets the club. I think the crowd loving me knows that. And I think it matters too. Mistakes make mistake against Swansea away. Really shitty mistake. That led to a goal. But overall everyone on making mistakes. But overall his levels have been quite good since he came back. And it's just good to have him back. So yeah, I'll agree. A seven. John Joe Kenny. Obviously last season playing with the under-23s. Captain under-23s went to the under-20 World Cup. Lot was expected of him. Early on in the season we were very critical of Ronald Coonman for not giving him more game time. Cos for us he was a Seamus Coleman Mark II. He preferred other players ahead of him. Finally got his chance. Didn't initially take it, I don't think. And ultimately didn't find the consistency that you would say for a lot of people. Well there's a player who will go and take that chair off Seamus Coleman in years to come. But in some games showed a lot of heart, a lot of leadership in some games as well. Some real desire like the Maisie side Derby, the first one. But I think he just fell short of where I thought he was going to be coming to the end of the season. And I'd give him a five personally. Cos I expected more from him. I really did. I don't want to be harsh on the lad, but I just expected a bit more. I'd give him a six cos I think Ian Nilly don't very well. I think he had some really good games and he had other games. You could tell he was, I wouldn't say out of his depth but some games he just wasn't at the races. But I think that's a young player getting his chance. I think Cuman put him in almost begrudginly. Because at that time he was getting a bit of, people were asking the question. And other people were asking the questions. I still remember him coming on against Bournemouth after 70 minutes and we were one down. And the next minute he just took us up and down a pit and brought the game in. In fact, Calderlun should have scored off his cross to make it three when he put it over. And I think he had some really good games, the Derby, like you said. But then there was games like Bournemouth away when he didn't track the Francis for their first goal and things like that and some games he'd give the ball away. And then I think what happened was, I think he had a resurgence when Ondsworth took over. And Sam Allardyce, don't forget, Sam Allardyce praised him massively when he came in. The whole game up on Newcastle, he was good. He just wasn't great. But that's a young player development. I'm all David, that's Sam. I think the biggest part of John Joe's game is his attacking. He likes attacking on all that, but it is forward play. And he's towards the end before Colman got in. And I don't know whether it probably was Sam Allardyce. He started not going forward. And when he stops doing what the best part of his game is, other things get shown up, I think. Because I don't think he's great at the minute in terms of defending. I think he's a good defender, but there's areas of it that he needs to pick up. But his real strength, a bit like Seamus when Seamus came in, the big strength of Seamus is his attacking qualities. Do you know what I mean? I think once John Joe stopped crossing the halfway line, there wasn't enough room. I just think I expected more from him. I really did, I expected more from him. Because what I've seen of him, I really... Yeah, yeah. But what I'm saying is that... Again, a kid coming into his side, that struggle. A kid coming into his side where he, the manager, didn't seem to believe in him. We all thought he'd start the season. We had no shame's calm on Mason Hallgate's centre back, Cucar Martina. What I would say is... What I would say is... In the last season, we were at the end of the 23 game, and I watched him, and I watched him turn to Alexander Arnold. And I looked at both of them, and I thought both of these could make the step up. Now I know it's different circumstances. Now I know it's different circumstances, I know it is. But one of them's going to a Champions League final, and one of them's going to a World Cup as well. And I know they are, one leads to the other. I understand that. And we've got, with teamers coming, we've got a better right back. But I just think one's gone on a little bit more than the other. Now he's been given more opportunities, I appreciate that as well, because Liverpool... Have more games. Have had, not only more games, but have had clients being off amongst the season. And Gomez, Gomez was there, at Alexander Arnold, was back up the straight. Gomez got injured, he got back in. So I just think he could have pushed himself a little bit more. But from within, I think it's, but what I mean is, seeing the kind of player he is, I know that you can see that within him, to do that, and I just think that. I think it's all, I don't know what it is, I just think that. And I might be being too harsh on him, I can only say what I'm saying, like Catrice. But I just think that, I just think he's stopped himself. But I think it was monitored instruction as well. And I think if you're a young lad getting in, and the manatee then puts you in, praises you. You just do what he tells you to do. Give him a contact. And I think if you get, I think, say it's Marco Silva, he likes to attack. I think he'd encourage him, like under it, to get forward, because that's a big part of his game. And I think you'd see that. There's a different circumstances. And again, he's a kid. You know, if he'd have come in, if he'd have come in and everything was settled. Say, last season and we were settled and playing well. I think he'd have got more of them. But I think he's done very well. I think he's done all right. I just think he could have done better. I really do. Listen, let me say that about mum. Cucko Martina, what are you giving him? I'm giving him a two. Right. I'm giving him a two. Garbage. He's absolutely garbage. Right. I'm going to say he's garbage. All right. He was thrown into the deep end at left back. But the lad is garbage. Right. At right back he was garbage. And at left back he was garbage. He's garbage. He's not good enough to play for everyone. Pardon? I'm not saying he's not. I'm not saying he doesn't try. Or he hasn't tried or whatever. I just think he's not good enough. For that reason, I'm giving him a two. I just don't think he's anywhere near the level. And I should have thought of him ever playing for ever and ever again. Okay. I'm going to give him a three. You generous bastard. I think he's done some games. He's done all right at left back of thought. I thought he defended all right at times. But I can't give him much more than that. I think he's the fourth to his right back at the club. He'll have to shout over that. And I think he's about the sixth to his left back. Really. He should be. Now listen, he's a Ronald Cumin sign. And he's coming. Without being really harsh on him, I don't understand why we got him. But I think he was free in Cumin. He's obviously a very good train and he tries hard and stuff. Cumin probably just wanted another body in there. But yeah, three. Listen, he went in there and he did a job for a few months when we really needed someone to do a job. So fair enough. Could someone else have done that job? Probably. But that someone else wasn't registered to play. So I suppose he did save our bacon and maybe I would be willing to put it up to a three. Because of that. But when Bain's come back in it was night and day, wasn't it? All of a sudden the pitch opened up. We had no left hand side when he played. It was as simple as that. He didn't even try. He didn't even try. And let's not forget the amount of times. I've just gone all nice and now I'm going to go back to being reality. How many times did he go up the field and just drop back while stuff was going on behind him and just go and then go. But occasionally he crossed the ball and he's gone for me. Occasionally. Very occasionally did his job. So. So there you go. Let's move on from him. Michael Keane. First season at the club. I think he's had an absolute horrific season. Horrific. I'm not sure it could have gone any worse for him. Between his performances. His injury. Losing his place in the England squad. It's been an absolutely horrific. And the team he left finishing above us. It's been a horrendous season for him. For the money he cost us. He was absolutely shite. Honestly I'll give the kid all. I'll give the kid all the leeway. I want him to stay and I want him to prove me wrong and have a better second season. He has been crap. Really, really disappointing. Really disappointing. And for that he gets a three from me. Because he's been absolutely garbage. There's no way of adding it. So he's been the same as Cucamartina? No Cucamartina got a two for me. They're but that new upgrade. And then we thought in and thought how many times he didn't get back. He got a two for me. Stick with your face number. That's how I got these things going. He's been garbage. He's been garbage. We paid £30m for him mate. 25. He's been garbage for what we've paid for him. He's come in. He was in England International. And he's just gone. At times it was like having a child playing at the back. The way he played. Not like a normal child. I mean like a child footballer. He was just at times you felt like if he had a shovel he would have dug a hole for himself and escaped at times. He was just without Jags next to him at times. If you buy a play for £25m I expect the same level of football. And he just felt so short of it. He was so bad. Now there are reasons. One is not a very good defender. No the changing of the plays around him. Didn't help. Whether it be right back left back or the centre back partnership. Why was he played left side of centre back? When there was other plays he could do that. Confidence. Zero confidence. In himself or anyone else in here. But now that comes into it. Now it's got any confidence in you. Fans. I knew the thing as well. I knew the thing as well. How many times did we have corners that he had big chances from and never hit the target? He should have scored a few goals there. He scored one early on against. Was it split? He scored against. He scored the first against. Had he splitted? Wafford. Chelsea. That was it. Dave Watson would have put that in. He would have done that. Why keep it as pass it? It's not given me five. I think he started off quite well. I think he started off quite well. I think the injury could tell them. Then he just got worse after that. The confidence we were going to see. He was horrific. He had a horrific brand. He shows everybody. When he got back in. He had some good games and some bad games. It was as simple as that. But he looked like a player devoid of a lot of confidence. When he got put, and when he was with Williams. The pair of them was just terrible. But I think when he was with Jagielcar he looked a lot better. He still wasn't great towards the end of the season. But he did have some good games. He can't rewrite history. I think overall for a face he was disappointing. He came in and I thought he come in and I thought he settled in quite well. Stubbing your toes disappointing. You've got yours, your opinion. I've got mine. Five disappointed with them. But I still think he can be a good defender for us. Because he was very good the year before. Fair enough. I'm not going to argue. I'm going to let the people decide. That's five. Mason Hallgate. I think early on in the season he was paired with Ashley Williams a lot. When he started off at right back and went to Man City and when he played against Man City he was his mistake that cost us the goal. Although he played all like that game defensively. It was just when he was going forward he was a bit kept on giving the ball away. But ultimately he gave them the goal. I thought he got better as the season went on saying they have to come and left. I think he showed that he can be he's a young player. He's got the attributes to be a top player. It's just whether it's a difficult balancing act now. Because you want you want him to be the leader but is he mature enough to be the leader as he's got enough about him can you rely on him to be the leader? I don't know. But certainly I like him in a three. I think in a three he's a good player. I think he's got some about him. I think he showed in the derby that he's not one to be messed with. But then also does he let that play on his mind or does that go as soon as it's happened? So I'd give him a I'd give him a six. I think he's had he's had injury problems as in stuff like that. He's been in and out the side. He's played it right back. I think there's been games I think the Europa League game against Leon. Leon and now the other one Limosol. I think he was especially the first goal and also the penalty against Leon. But I think there's there's more positive signs there. But it was a stop start season for him as well which doesn't help. In and out the side. I think with a bit of guidance and with Jags if he did Jag Nixon I think he would have been a lot a lot better. He suffered from having Ashley Williams next to him or the season which is never good. I'd give him a six as well. I think he's matured this season. I think he looks like a very good centre back. Problem he has sometimes his concentration levels. It's where he's brought my own spares away just switched off for goals. You can't. Stepped out against West Brom when Rodriguez with the level with him and things. Things like that. But then again you look at the performances at Amfield and he was excellent. Very good on the ball. You're right he is a leader. He's got those qualities he doesn't mind having a goal people and stuff. Gotta know when to play and when not to. But I think he's got to know when to do the basics of defending as well though. I mean there's stones he'd overplay for the sake of it. But I think he just switches off when and not doesn't do the basic defending like you just said concentrating. Don't step up if there's a danger and you're not 100% sure you play to what the game is. And other things like the game that's born for he jumped in and allowed the player to go round them and score. You stay on your feet there and you're trying to push them wide or you're trying to push them into somewhere they don't want to go. Things like that. I think he jumps in too much and he did it against Man United at home as well. He allows the forward to take the forward to dictate where he's going to go rather than him dictating where trying to send them down the line and push them to the next defender. I think he's a very good player and I'm in a little bit of guidance and a little bit of maturity but he can be a top class defender. So I think he's 6 over all. Yeah. Fair right. I think it's fair. Yeah okay I'll go with that then. Layton Baines. 6 6 and tempted to give him a 7 because I was that excited to see a left back in the side. Do you know what? I'd say 6 as well because yes he ended the season okay but before his injury he wasn't really pulling up any trees either but what I will say caveat no back up played nearly every game before he got injured you know you've got to manage older players you've got to you know give someone else a go give them a rest so they don't get those injuries that ended up costing them nearly 4 months of the season listen clearly he's got it all there and it's not all how it should be all how it was but he's still a reassured player top at left back he still can pop the ball quickly get it back move nicely into space finish the season okay but I think 6 is probably about right doesn't go hard big penalty against Wofford when we really need him to you know to we won as the game didn't we ultimately didn't go missing on that one it's just also very very cool yeah it's just a very good footballer okay some of his the ability to get up and down is weighing on them you don't know whether well he would invigorate him because when he come back in the side when he been out for a while he had that best again of being able to get up and down you've got to manage those plays he's not getting any younger so to play him every week I know we won a high energy team but you don't know whether you manage any plays he played three at the back and played it properly Bains could then play 15 yards higher up the pitch which would then get him in the half but you still need another left back because you needed I think Bains are days of playing back over well I will say but he's still a competent defender he's still a good defender but ultimately his legs are which happens to everybody so it's just the way it is but he's been a fantastic player for us and he's had still be happy to have him in the squad without the shadow but I think six is probably about right he's had much better seasons he could come back and have a stormer of a season next season but I think this season he's been up and down but he finished the season quite well but overall six Phil Jagielke I think for me I'd say it was a seven because on in the season he was swapping and changing actually Williams quite a lot when he's out the side it's very noticeable that he's not in the side and the way he finished the season was fantastic really as I said with Keane there he kept Keane ticking over for a lot of the games he's still got loads of energy he's still got it funny enough a a tee in a pace he's still quick covering the ground he anticipates a lot when he got back was probably a fast a fast he got back I think it's leadership skills now when I say leadership I don't mean being a captain and running round the point fingers I mean being a leader of how on the pitch defensively a defensive leader I think that's really really important and I still think there's nobody else really they in the centre box they say it isn't anyway doesn't when he plays a game he's not looking at himself he's looking at who's next to him and helping them get through the games and talking to them where there's other people don't do that and look more at themselves and just care about getting themselves to a game and I think the last couple of months of the season when he got back in you know the defence really showed up and really it was night and day you know to the next next game when the game's following that the defence was just the defence against Baylor was so wicked and yeah he comes in a week later and it looks alright again and we start getting clean sheets and look them defensively a lot more solid so yeah I give him a 7 yeah I think I had 10 to agree with that I think he finished the season easily a best defender we got good results or decent results because of him defending and defending the way he did he reads the game really well makes mistakes but the older you know in the season where they've all made mistakes but I think it's general like you said before you notice when he's not there the canons are miss we need a new defender and we need one in the same mould as Phil this is the thing isn't it I'll probably give him a 7 because this time last year we were like he let him go to Sheffield United you know we were still ooing an ar about him at least finished the season as our best defender and I think because of that I think the fact that he decided to stay given another year is aint him another year and I think we've still got all the same problems we had last season in the terms of bringing players in but I think because of that and because the standards didn't slip too much I mean we're not sitting here going you know we just threw up Bains some of Bains maybe you're leaning a little bit off and a little bit jaded maybe Jagielker has benefited from not playing every single game where his Bains has suffered for playing every single game but I think the other thing as well you can't get to these players too quickly they don't have to Jagielker doesn't have to play every week next season but having him around a place keeps camaraderie and everything else going he's a leader he trusts in the dressing room he's the face around the club he's been here for 11 years as well so it's the face around the club that everyone knows the players he's evident isn't he when you come in so it's going to be very pretty new man as well coming in because you need a couple of people who can build the bridges so to speak you need content, you need good people you need people you can trust to keep other people in order that's a big deal and let them know what it's about but I think listen he's finished the season really like he did last year to be fair he got in last year in about I'll tell you what he'll come back for pre-season with that talent and he'll be looking at it with the slightly bleached hair a bit of a ffind on it he'll be looking a million dollars look right on the bench and cool about these things look good on the calendar finally last no, necessarily least but you know Ashley Williams Ashley Williams what did I give Cuckill Matina? two Ashley Williams again a two as well I'd give him a three talk about being disappointed you going on about Michael Keane and all that Ashley Williams come last year and I thought we were getting this man mountaineer cos I'd seen him have a few good games for Swansea and he'd have made me one you're making me one you've turned into Ashley Williams blaming everyone else it was your only shot at that it was your only shot at that but he was alright I thought he'd done okay last year and we'd been that poor as the year before that he'd come in and we were alright last year defensively we were okay and he was quite solid but this season has been such a such a drop off it's been unbelievable I just don't think I get the feeling and I don't know the lad and all that I just get the feeling he's just not really that that's what I mean and it's like when your heart's not in it and you're not playing well in the Premier League you get punished but I think the difference between him and Jack Ylker is Jack Ylker will still try to cover for this partner and he'll still throw himself in it Ashley Williams no show that over the season he's not interested in just self-preservation it was in and out of the beginning of the season the way they rotated it listen that didn't help anyone he'd come back looking a little bit well he'd come back looking like a little fat bastard that's what he came back looking like let's get it on the table but he'd come back looking like looking like he'd had a couple of begs a fat bastard is what he'd come back as I don't give a shit I'll say it as it is he'd come back looking tubby as and you can't tell me that when literally we were having like a two week pre-season into games you can't tell me that that's unprofessional for the start that he looked at and I know he'll probably go look at Dersham put the abs but he looked like he was overweight and that means he's got to work hard to get that off which is lowering his lowering him you know that's like you're going to get fitter but that's going to sap your energy isn't it and you know he's going into games and you've got someone like he next year you've got you're having to show through games and you've got your light is hiding and it's always and it's not come on lads let's come on let's get you know it's all captain of his country and he's giving it all and he's bearing himself and he's trying to go missing and it all like it's all box it's all for show oh and all and I'm sorry ultimately he just looked like a plet and I know listen the grief he's fighting in the Leon game and they're starting the other and I just think at times show that kind of energy on the pitch it's not it's not worth a carrot to us if you're doing that and you're not putting it out there on the pitch and the waff the barely game is just horrendous he just well the waff again the week before giving 3dini 5 yards to 10 2dini needs at least 10 it's like a cool line he needs a bleeding tug boat pulling him as well can't hear 3 words like that and then the week after at barely he was in absolute disgrace he was horrendous and then to get himself sent off when we needed him he only got down with the last few minutes to do what he did and the fact that he never made it back on the pitch suggest to me that well I thought you meant that he would come back on to the pitch and I was thinking when so the fact that he never came back on the pitch suggest to me that Sam Allardyche also knew what he'd done and suggest and did make a big deal out of it but knew what he'd done maybe he thought if he'd made a big deal out of it the I don't know maybe he thought the dressing room was too fragile to deal with something like that I don't know but for him to come get to spend the comeback and not get near the pitch suggested that the manager had seen enough of him to say you're not in the fight and for me that was the end of him as an event player and should be the end of him as an event player the club should try to seem try and replace me as fast as possible and let him go to Swansea or something or whatever I don't really care I don't because he just he just no heart there he just showed all the heart and showed what it means to be an event player and really embodied that Williams didn't show any Williams just and yet you see him putting performances for Wales where he was you know fighting and and working hard and doing all the things giving the goal away that cost him but he didn't know as well didn't he get sent off in that games though no I will not be sorry to see him go no really disappointing like I said I put the person who I thought would be a leader you know coming as a captain and we talked about having captains and trying to get the drop off this season has been startling performances not good enough the reaction anyone can make a mistake no one's perfect and you can have bad games that it happens no one goes out of a bad game you won't have gone out editor to have a bad game but it wasn't happening and the hiding you'd like the hiding and then it became self-preservation and it became and not leaving my position to try and help you because then I'll get blamed for it it was just saw dancing away it was just disgusting to perform by letting Charlie Austin out running out jumping and not picking players it was just really poor and I know it got a bit better when Sam coming but then it went again and that discipline a bit but I will say for those for maybe those four to six weeks when the initial sort of honeymoon period of ice it did play well I will say that that defence looked really solid him and all gates he looked really solid but when push come to shove I don't know whether he just didn't like playing alongside Key or something but when push come to shove his attitude never mind his defending his attitude was horrendous it was horrendous I won't be I won't be I won't be sad sad to see him leave to be honest and I think for himself he needs to go somewhere else and have a fresh start cos he's 34 now he's probably only got a couple of years left playing he may as well go somewhere and enjoy it cos he's not enjoying the 11 quite obviously definitely so there you have it that's been the defence there are our ratings let us know your thoughts have I been too harsh has Bas been too generous has Bas been too generous have I been too generous let us know your thoughts in the comments what would you have for these players let us know in the comments make sure to look out for the other videos all the season review videos and also these player ratings we will be looking forward to the midfield and the attackers so off your TV we'll see you later