 It's January the 20th. It's a new day. It's rediscovering America. I'm Tim Appichella, your host. And the title of this show is President Biden, A New Day in America. And before I get to my guests, I'd like to just do a brief commentary. Trump has vacated the White House. In the past few days, we've seen new video of Trump's mob invasion into our nation's capital. Trump's legacy includes but not limited to attempts to normalize white supremacy groups, good people on both sides. Remember that one? Zero tolerance policy of tearing children away from their parents at the Mexican border and warehousing them in cages and detainment centers. Abuse of power to influence foreign powers to attack political opponents. That was the first impeachment. Use of classic propaganda techniques to divide Americans. The use of the big line. Trump's lie. The Trump lie was the election was rife with fraud and Trump's second term victory was stolen and all things should be reversed. All leading to stoking up the anger of a mob and sending them loose to stop Congress certification of electoral college vote. Never mind the 62 law court cases. Never mind the multiple recounts. And never mind the audits of voting machines to exactly match the paper ballots. And why do facts matter? When only beliefs are required to prove your fictitious claims. Only cold star status is required to wind up his lacking mouthpieces, otherwise known as GOP senators and House representatives. As Trump exits, I'm reminded of a comment of a good friend of mine, a lifetime dear friend of a career police chief. And Scott said the Kennedy years were known as the Camelot years. The Trump years will be the Adams family years. And that's true, Scott. All bizarre and most surreal. Trump leaves the Oval Office with a nation divided. 74% of GOP surveyed believe the election was stolen. He leaves with 400,000 COVID dead without one ounce of empathy for this dead or their families. He leaves us as liar and chief with over 30,000 documented lies. He's diminished the health of our institutions, agencies and debased the executive office. Trump has successfully painted the media as not to be trusted. Only what Trump says is to be trusted. And if it's not on Fox, his followers doubt what they read and what they see. Facts are lies and lies are facts. Divisions is the only truth which Trump has created. Now, President Biden will have a great list of priorities to accomplish in a short time. A monumental task to repair an alien economy, apply real efforts to stem COVID-19, and bridge the cultural political divide in America. Before he enters the White House today, the cleaning and fumigation crews have been busy cleaning the foul odor of Trump's autocracy out of the Oval Office. A stance so strong that only the return of democratic governance and the rule of law will be effective in its removal. And as Joe Biden said yesterday, to heal is to remember. And although he referred to the COVID-19 deaths, we can apply it to the last four years. So let's not forget where we've been and let's heal as we move forward. And with that, I'd like to introduce my guests here on Rediscovering America, Jay Fidel, Cynthia Lee Sinclair, Winston Welch and Stephanie Dalton. Welcome, everyone. It's a new day. Congratulations on our new nation. Precisely, Jay. And nice, nice, Stephanie. Jay, to you. What are your comments about the Trump legacy and his exit? And just possess that to Biden's entrance, his inauguration, and his goals for America? Couple thoughts. One is, you know, if hearing your opening, Tim, what it reminded me is the fact that through the four years, Trump got worse. As all psychopaths, he was always testing the water to see if he could get away with stuff. And he got away. He had a technique of getting away with all these outrageous things. And every time he got away with something outrageous, he would try something more outrageous. So by the time we got to the end of the four years, it was just all outrage. He took us to new levels of outrage. He tested us in every way. And so now we have his disappearance. He's gone. He's not on social media. The conventional media is not talking about him much. They're not using his name. We shouldn't use his name. We should refer to him as the person whose name should be erased. We don't want him back. But what is interesting is, and we talked about this on the show, what is interesting about this is the power has sloughed off him. Mitch McConnell has sloughed off him. A lot of people in this country, including his base, have sloughed off on him. And that's because there are other fish to fry. There are other things we have to attend to. We're going to be watching Biden. We're going to be either rooting for him, criticizing him, but he is the center now. And this means that Trump cannot be the center. So I think a prediction we made earlier is going to come true. Knockwood that it does is that he whose name should be erased is being erased. He's losing his mojo, losing his power all in the past few hours. It is such a delight. It is such a relief. Before we worried about the nation, we worried whether he was coming for us. We had anxiety here to tell that Winston, Iron Winston couldn't sleep at night. And I think a lot of other people were worried now that worry is off our shoulders. It's a brand new day. Whatever Biden does, it's way better than what Trump was doing. It's fair-minded. And if you start with fair-minded, you're so much better off. And that's what we have now, a brand new nation. So just a follow-up question, and that is, do we see his name on the headlines or is it going to be on page three as Cyrus Vance and other jurisdictions perhaps prosecute? Page three, there'll be so many prosecutions that, you know, there's no geography to cover them all on the first page. It'll have to be page three and it'll keep on going for years. And that's a great thing. Go with God. All the prosecutors in the country that will belly up, including Merrick, the new Attorney General. And so, Cyrus Vance and Merrick, let's go for it, boys, because we have to demonstrate not only to the people in this country, not only is it the way we're GOP, but we have to demonstrate to the world that we can make this right. Good point, Jay. Thank you. Hey, Cynthia, I'm going to go to the same question with you, and that is your impressions of Trump's legacy and exit and compare that to Biden's entrance and his goals for America. I have a couple of quotes for this. But first, I want to read you what was on the front page of the New York Times when Abraham Lincoln was inaugurated and how very similar it is to today. The day to which all have looked with so much anxiety and interest has come and passed. Abraham Lincoln has been inaugurated and all as well. So we could certainly put in there, Joseph R. Biden has been inaugurated and all as well. So I know that for me is a big giant sort of wake-up call, but the country was so divided then, and yet we came together, and so I have hope. And that's a big deal. When I was listening to his inauguration speech, his inaugural speech, he says, we will lead not by the example of our power, but by the power of our example. And that just struck me right straight to my heart when I heard him say that. And then I cried through most of the rest of his speech on and off because it was so moving and so inspiring. And I was so hungry to hear that kind of professionalism and intelligence. And so I know part of it was because of the words he was saying and part of it was because of the hunger that I had to hear it. Thank you. I'm hoping that 74 million people that voted for Donald Trump begin to feel the way that you just expressed. And I appreciate you taking the time to express your thoughts. Winston, I'm going to go around the table. Same question to you. Your thoughts and comments about Trump's exit and his legacy in juxtaposition to Joe Biden's, President Biden's entrance and his goals for America. Well, let's face it, these are extraordinary times where what's happened is Donald Trump is leaving in a capital that has to have 20,000 armed people to protect its citizens, its elected representatives. I can't say it's unparalleled. It's insane. And this is going now. Whatever you thought about Donald Trump before he's gone, he's going, I hope that that Jay is right and that it's page three or page four. He's, we're never going to be rid of that family and the words. I mean, it's obviously going to be there, but it provides such a powerful lesson for us of where we came and we walk to the edge of the abyss and we are pulling back and we have a sane, honorable, good, kind leader in charge of our nation now. And he says, I will, I don't care if you voted for me or not. I am your president and I am going to fight for all of you. And I love Stephanie's flag of America. We are reclaiming our flag. I got this one too. The Constitution, I keep it up. I think we should all have a copy of it. While it's a little bit hard to read, maybe a little arcane, I know that Donald Trump never, ever read it. And he saw no constraints on his power, whatever oath he took to it was meaningless. Today's oath when Biden took the oath and Kamala Harris took her oath was real. It was sincere. You had, it was an unusual inauguration just because of the, of COVID as well, but going around and having Mr. McCarthy and also Mitch McConnell and others saying, welcome, Mr. President. Here's a flag in your honor. Ms. Harris, here's Vice President Harris, here's a flag when it brought some semblance of normality that said, and I think those folks, if they weren't, they didn't have the bejesus scared out of them, then they weren't thinking right. And they realized we need to pull back. We need to gain control back of our party of sanity, of goodness. And I think we have a very, very strong chance now with Biden with this message of let's come together. We have very serious problems. We're not going to solve them by going to where we were. And now that hopefully, like you said, we've got 74 million Americans, we have to harken back to a time in ancient history, oh, I don't know, say five years ago and before that says we can disagree agreeably on these issues. But at the end of the day, we need to move forward so that we can challenge, tackle these really important issues before us. And I think I'm feeling hopeful for as I mentioned just before the show, I made a conscious effort that if I slept in past seven, and I think I was probably awake laying in bed, I didn't want to pick up my iPad. But I said, I can sleep in today. Normalcy is coming back. Decency is coming back. We don't have to be on hyper alert, DEF CON 5 anymore. We are getting you know, that's a good point, Winston. There was always a sense of dread every morning. And as I, you know, reached from my phone and to check the news services of what, what new calamity was in store for me today. The damage report of the hour. Yes. And so I damage report on the on the hour. And that's a really good point. And what a relief. Thank you, Winston. Yeah, thank you, Winston. Hey, Stephanie, same question for you. Like I said, I want to hear everyone's opinion about where we've been and where we're going. And certainly what you think Donald Trump's legacy is and, you know, how you feel about President Biden and hopefully as we heal and move forward. I think that, as has been said, Jay said, fair minded. Now we're more into promises, promising thoughtfulness, competence, heartfelt concern for the nation's people and modeling of our conception of mom of democracy. However, and I, I'm celebrating that with my flag and also my pearls, which Kamala Harris said to wear today in honor of those gains and that model of American democracy, which is diversity. But Trump abides. And I know I've been ensconced in this bubble, too. And then I'll pop over to another station whose name we often mentioned, but it's all there still. So it's clearly indicating the issue is the power issue. And they're not going to stop with this. And that Kevin McCarthy could stand up and present a gift to Kamala and Joe or the Vice President and the President is a feat of deserving the Academy Award. I mean, this is a man who needs consequences. Okay. As Winston gave himself a consequence, a positive one. He could sleep in today if he wanted or any day. He's given himself a reward. Well, we need consequences. We cannot stop with this. And yes, Biden wants to. I heard people say that many are, of course, saying, and certainly the Republicans, oh, let's move on. Let's move on. Biden hasn't said move on. He said move forward. Well, what I heard him say is, and again, it was relation to COVID, the COVID 400,000 deaths. But I heard him said, in order to heal, you have to remember. Unless we not forget. That's the inverse of let's remember. Let's not forget. So let's add clarity to the list of his incomiums. Okay. He's going to provide us clarity. He told us he would level. He said that in the speech that as our president and leader, he will always level with us. So that will be forthcoming. So but we have lots of ways to go. And people are not going to change overnight. And there he's got the work to do. So let's see how Biden models all of this for us. And then how we are going to follow this leader who seems to really have a handle or good sense and intuition about how to move forward and bring us together in unity. Okay. Thank you, Stephanie. Jay, yesterday, I saw a very touching memorial for the 400,000 COVID dead in our country. And I don't know if you saw that or not, but that was the beginning of healing is the recognition that since mid March, we've had Americans die at numbers unparalleled, certainly exceeding now that of World War Two and Vietnam War and President Trump really just never had it in him. He didn't have the empathy. He didn't have the motivation to acknowledge the hundreds of thousands of Americans dying. Maybe it was out of guilt. Maybe but people say that Trump has no guilt, but he just avoided the topic until yesterday where Joe Biden took the reins and made that recognition. Where were your thoughts about that memorial? Beautiful memorial. Heart touching, heart-rending. It was hard to keep a dry eye on that one. And it was long and coming. We haven't really celebrated. We haven't really memorialized all those dead. I remember a year ago on this program, we talked about you know, just reading off the names or even just the numbers of all the people who had died. It would take weeks of this program to do that. Now it would take months of this program just reading off the names or the numbers of the people who died. So it was long and coming. It was very touching. And it was so clear from all of that that Trump never cared, never uttered any kind of sympathetic words. And as it got worse, that became more stark. And as we saw the lights on the side of the reflecting pool, it became starker still. Remarkable how cold and ugly and mean he is. And we're not done with that. And I want to mention this other, you know, this other point with respect to our discussion so far today. And that is, don't forget the sabotage. He has tried so hard out of that same psychopathic meanness to lay traps for us, booby traps, all along the way and for Biden. And so we have to look at Biden with a kind of empathy. He wants to do the right thing. There will be roadblocks from the Republicans who hang on to the Fox News approach to things, as you mentioned. And there will be roadblocks from the sabotage, sabotaging foreign policy, our relations with other countries, sabotaging the agencies, appointing Trumpers to serve in security, you know, agencies, intelligence agencies at the last minute. Biden has his work cut out from just dealing with the sabotage. So we have to be sympathetic. And he's worth our sympathy. He's worth our support. We have to give him a honeymoon, a really robust honeymoon for not 100 days, but longer than that. Okay. Thank you, Jim. Cynthia, Joe Biden's agenda for just today only is to rejoin the Paris Agreement, reverse travel bans on Muslim majority countries, mandate mask marrying on all federal property, extend the eviction for closure restrictions, and put a pause on student loan payments of interest. Going through the COVID aspect of things where a mask policy is expected minimally on federal property. Do we start to see a transformation now from those who have refused to wear masks? And do they start to try to blend in and not make such a political statement of not wearing a mask? Or does that continue in your minds, Cynthia? Well, in my mind, I would like them to come around, but we only need to look back to the anti-maskers from the Spanish influenza that wiped out so many. And they were anti-maskers all the way till the end. So I'm afraid we may end up dealing with these people for longer than we'd like to. I think maybe once these levels start rising like they are, I mean, 4,000 people a day are dying. That means the chances are good that these people are going to have someone in their family that they are affected by. And the more it hits coast to home, maybe the more they will respond with respect and responsibility to the rest of the nation. But unfortunately, they've been so programmed by the misinformation of that crazy man, that maniac who's finally gone. But unfortunately, I think we are left with some of the fallout from all of his misinformation and lies. And so it's going to take a while for these people to come around. They're not going to just snap their fingers and change for us like we'd like. Okay, thank you. Hey, you know, Winston, we've got a question in from a viewer, and we welcome all viewers whether you agree with us or not. In fact, I'd like to hear from the ones that don't agree with us. And although this question is a bit off topic, I'd like you to address this question. And that is, would Biden, let's see, I've heard and seen much unacceptable behavior from Hunter. Will Biden be a good father and address all of this bad behavior or just let it go and address? So again, the question's off topic, but go ahead. That's your question, Winston. Well, let's universalize it and say I've seen a lot of unacceptable behavior in this nation. Will Biden be a good father of the nation or parent of the nation and address this bad behavior or let it go unaddressed? It's a good question because as parents, you know, you have to deal with children. His child had issues. He has said he's had serious drug and alcohol issues. He has come back. He's worked hard on repairing himself and he is proud of the efforts that he's made. I think Joe Biden will take the same tactic with the nation. And he will say, we made some serious mistakes. We have to own them. We have to understand them so that we don't repeat them. And let's put some things in place, whether it's you not socializing with your old friends or getting all the booze out of the house or whatever it is that you need to end the metaphorical booze, as it were. And I think the Republicans need to look and say what part of our party was completely hijacked? Do we need to associate with those people anymore? Because they cause this point where we have 20,000 federal troops and whatever it was in Washington to protect our elected leaders. I think that Joe Biden will be an excellent father for the nation. I think that he is a decent and good man and like every family and every country, it has its moments where there's trouble. But when you have someone steady and good at the helm, that is something that children and as a metaphorical society is that we need the leader and the father of the nation, the mother of the nation that we can look to with respect and honor that that will help all of us, including by what's it named Hunter. Hunter has a good point and this is that he's come a long way and we will come as well with the leadership under Joe Biden from the disaster that we've been in as a nation over the last four years. And I really would like to add something to that. I think this is a red herring question. I think it's provocative. I think it's from somebody who would like to continue the ugly conversation that went on during the campaign that Trump raised. It's like a birther question. It's a nagging attempt to undermine Biden. We should not have that conversation. Biden should not dwell on it. He should not respond to it. It's a distraction at best. He's got to deal with the issues of the country. But this reminds us there are people out there who would like to continue the Trump rhetoric and continue personal attacks on Biden and his family. They have to be discarded. We have to move into handling the issues, not replaying the whole damn campaign. Yeah, I'll go with that, Jay. And also, if it's not red herring, it's certainly hypocritical. I could look at the Trump family and we could create lists of issues that need to be brought up. But we're not going to do that because it's over. Trump is over. The Trump children are over. Although I understand Ivanka is going to run for governor in Florida, or not governor, excuse me, mayor, mayor in some of the cities there. Miami, yeah. So, okay, thank you, Jay, for your comment because I think it's spot on. And it's perfect timing for what we just went through here. And we got a couple minutes left. And so, Stephanie, I want to go to you. Of the things that Joe Biden has on his plate immediately, and I mentioned some of them just for Wednesday, not to mention on Thursday and Friday, what do you think is probably the most one of the more important items that President Biden now has to grapple with and basically be successful in accomplishing? Well, of course, I believe that that has been set up as the coronavirus and the response of the nation for that. And the addressing of already that the disastrous issues we face in not having enough vaccine or the companies that are holding back, but they don't have enough resources to make it. So he needs to invoke those laws we have that were usually in wartime and this is a war against a bug. So he will do that. I think also he has stated, as we know his character to be, concern for these families that were separated from their children. And he is also going to in one of his early acts and has stated this is a high priority. Find out where those children are and those parents. I mean, certainly DNA could solve that problem, you know, pretty lickety split. But whatever he's going to do, we ought to, that's what I believe is happening ahead of us. But the issue of what Winston said, I like what he said, but we said lots about Biden. We said lots of positive things about Trump in the beginning, just reams of those kinds of praise statements. That was based on no evidence, no evidence that he met those high standards and those criteria for having those values. And we paid the price for it. And with the new president, we have a long track record of his work that's on the record. Okay. And so he and that that's in the history book, Stephanie, it's in the whole different place to be. So with the Hunter Biden, which I hope we never hear that again, or socialism, or we will, we will, but but the point is that I want to hear the evidence, excuse me, but there's not one centilla of evidence yet. So let's hear about that. As I said in my commentary, we're in the realm of belief. Evidence is irrelevant. You don't need it. All you need to do is have belief and whatever you're being told to say and believe. Right. And the point is also for the issues of the election. So where is the evidence? So once you get that stuff up, otherwise please shut up about it. Alrighty. Thank you, Stephanie. New norm. Okay. Hey, we're out of time. So it's time for last comment. Jay, your last comments. Eternal vigilance is important. We have to watch out for the sabotage. And this question that came in as an example of somebody who speaks about about what Trump would have him say or her. Okay. And so sabotage can be indirect. We have to watch out for it at all levels. We have to protect our leadership relationship with Biden going forward. Thank you. Cynthia, your last comment. Okay. So my final comments are going to be my favorite words out of his inaugural speech. Thinking not of power, but possibilities, or a personal interest, but a public good. And together we will write the American story of hope, not fear, of unity, not division, of light, not darkness, a story of decency and dignity, love and healing, greatness and goodness. Let this be our story. Thank you. I think dignity and decency are the two words that stand out of my mind. That's going to be a far departure of the past four years. Thank you, Cynthia. Winston, last comments, please. I love that, Cynthia. And I encourage people to go on C-SPAN. They can read the text or see the replays of specific speeches and times of this inauguration. And Jay's right. It is a red herring, but it's going to come up and these types of questions. So we just need to, we need to reframe them and we need to move forward as I, as Cynthia Stephanie said, not, but acknowledging these people are still out there. They're told what to believe, they believe it. And Tim, it is all about belief. So we need to work on a new dialogue, a new framework so that we can help people, 74 million people, we can help them move on from worrying about that to everything else that we need to focus on as a nation, unified together, moving forward rather than getting caught up in the nonsense and the noise. And that's where I'm feeling very hopeful right now and optimistic. So it's a good day in America. Wonderful. Thank you, Winston. Great comments too. Stephanie, your last comment, please. Tim, influence and change. Biden faces that challenge to influence and to make changes. This is not just an ideological thought process and admonitions and praises. This is about an area of study that is clearly delineated in how it is you influence and change people and their thoughts and their thinking. We've got negative examples, a planning in the world history, but they're also very positive changes, examples also. So let's get on with influence and change for this country to be all it promises the world it will be and we'll step up into that modeling. Alrighty. We're out of time. Thank you, Stephanie. I'd like to thank everyone. Jay Fidel, Cynthia, Lee Sinclair, Winston Welch, and Stephanie Dalton. Thank you for joining us on Rediscovering America. Join us next week, Wednesday at 11 o'clock. I'm Tim Apachele, your host, and we'll see you very soon. It's a new day. Aloha.