 hello everyone and welcome to episode 45 for the minions of special halloween episode we're going to change things up this week we're going to do the news and updates the little bit of news and updates that we had but uh after that we're going to skip all the polls and the paragon discussion we're going to kick back this time and just tell some spooky stories from our personal collection stuff that's happened to us so i hope you guys enjoy that and if you have your own spooky story share it in the description below i'm your host the man gideon joining me as always is my bodacious co-host mandy mel how you doing mandy evening i'm doing well and i'm so excited because we have one of my favorite ever returning guest host joysinator aka taco bell yeah what's up guys so yeah maybe what your your costume again i am arthur morgan from red dead redemption 2 and joys let's see the bell so they done right let's see it yes more cowbell he's a taco bell more taco bell right on so well done anybody that doesn't know joys a little bit of history about your uh your your uh experiences with paragon kind of is a little relevant in today's topics yeah it kind of is so um basically i have been playing um since or i played paragon starting in early access um and played all the way up through monolith until about like v 42.3 or something like that until i couldn't take it anymore um but uh but yeah i've been i've been playing for a long time my favorite stage of the game was monolith pre v 42 and um yeah goose and i go go way back to the the early days of monolith so yeah we do that we do i've been playing together for a while yeah not really playing together but we've known each other right talking talking for a good while sharing clips and stuff so let's uh let's scoot right along into the news and updates uh for ometa studios this week and the reason i was talking about how uh joysin's experience with the paragon was relevant is because ometa studios friend has been doing his streams and he released that he's making a monolith style map um it's kind of alongside the legacy map so it's not like they're replacing their legacy field with a new monolith map it's something that he's just kind of trying out to challenge himself to see how he can use the assets and there was a little bit of talk that maybe you'd be able to choose between the maps i don't want to put words in their mouth i don't want to say that that's definitely going to be a thing that is of course something that they would have to test fringe is working on that monolith map so monolith fans were joys there might be some some hope for you guys instead of uh just all of us old legacy bastards getting what we want so uh mandy what do you think what do you think about this this new update i like it i mean i'm excited either way because i didn't get to play legacy so to experience the legacy map will be you know fun for me um but if they do go ahead and add in the monolith as like that's your option you can you know pick and choose which one you want to want to play on that would be just nostalgia that i just would be so excited for like that that's home you know like that's the yagora i know and love so i like it joys i'm sure you've got some uh some some strong feelings about this yeah i mean um i'm gonna be happy regardless like even if we don't get to play on it i'm still gonna be super excited to play but obviously like for me i loved the feel of monolith i loved how like they had their like little unbalanced planes to help kind of like determine role placement and stuff like i i there was a lot of stuff i really liked about monolith and so i'd be really excited to be able to play that again um but if they do allow both of them to be playable um i think that's going to give people access like a lot of people wanted wanted to be able to do that in paragon is play on both maps and so that i think that'd be a really big move for them and i think that'd be you know really exciting for a lot of people who loved both of them yeah it's something they would have to have a pretty large um uh player base to do though like definitely if you're trying to queue up for two different maps unless you can just queue up for both and then whatever fills up first fills up first or something like that yeah i don't necessarily have a preference i hope it's something they do like i said this isn't i'm not telling you guys that this is what they're doing but uh it is a an option available to them and i really hope that they they take that option and somehow make it work um in other ometta news smoky was able to make the mini map work so that is done and in the game so coolio one step closer to that pre alpha re-release and then uh they are also going to be doing some internal testing again so if you do have an alpha key watch out for some invites if they do need some people to help them test uh that's again not a guarantee but i'm certainly going to be um keeping my eyes glued to discord hoping that i can get back in there unless i'm going to take somebody else's spot then i totally don't want to do that but i've had my shot but uh yeah really good stuff all around that seems like they're uh they're moving forward um they really picked up pace they slowed a bit down after they took the the alpha down i think they just recuperated for a couple months and then they just went back at it extremely hard so good on them any final thoughts for ometta studios mandy since it's your baby it is my baby um yeah i unlike goose uh will have no mercy i will be getting into that internal testing if i can i'm not i don't care if anybody else had a chance no i uh i want everybody to have a chance to see the progress that has been made um and uh yeah i just want to remind everybody that discord is the place to to look out for that if you do have that alpha key indeed i think you said that but i can't remember if you did or not it's all good joice you got any final thoughts on ometta um i've been my fingers cross for an alpha key but uh but yeah definitely definitely really uh very excited um whether i get to try it out or not right away uh to see what they've been cooking up and and what they've been doing with it sounds like they've been working really hard and i'm very excited right one way or another then onward to my baby ethereal clash of souls uh a little bit of news for them they're going to be participating in extra life on november second so they have a twitch channel i haven't been posting that i didn't know it existed i'll put that down in the in the description below along with the rest of the links for ethereal but uh they'll they're going to be just streaming some development mainly like um 3d concept art um some 3d sculpting and rigging and they may uh they may even show some of the skins that they have planned for some of the heroes already so that should be really fun we haven't seen anything like that out of ethereal yet any kind of live streaming of the development like we have for all the other games so that'll be uh really fun to see and it is of course for a great cause the uh the extra life thing so that again is november second so what do you guys think what do you think uh joey's what do you think about the extra life um mainly i'm just really excited for them to get some extra exposure um you know i feel like that's super super key at this stage in any games development is just getting their name out there getting some recognition and exposure um and if there's you know other positives to be had and awesome that's that's really great too um but for the most part like just trying to think like from a business standpoint super excited for them to get extra exposure and and get their name out there because they've been working really hard on something that looks absolutely beautiful and i'm just kind of like chopping at the bit waiting for it totally agreed totally agreed maybe anything um i think this is so incredible that they are participating with extra life and i think they kind of are developing a little bit of a track record of um i don't like charity like thing because they also did the thing for um the kitty cat that needed surgery um they they they didn't like start the go fund meet it was british girl friend i think it was her cat but they shared that you know and we're like hey we're looking at our community and that that's cool to me i mean that just shows that they are they're they love us they're looking out for us i was going to cover that on for the minions when they did that because i thought it was such a cool gesture but uh one of the original cast members didn't like it at all for whatever fucking reason but let's move on now to uh made about forgot enough for made about nothing for phoenix rising i do want to remind you guys that i will have all the links to all these games eat including made about from phoenix rising down in the uh in visionary i should say down in the description below if you want to check them out and then um oh also before i go it's probably it's going to be already out by the time this show airs but project stamina did their their live stream on october 30th uh it should be a video by now go check that out if you were a fan of gigantic or if you're just a fan of quirky third person mobs in generals um good stuff for them but we're going to move on now to the topic for of discussion which is supernatural stories from our own experiences and hopefully we have some good ones um i forget what we were going to do for the order but i think we're going to Joyce to Mandy right and then to me and then back to Joyce sounds good to me is that good okay yeah yeah we're on board okay um yeah i don't know i don't know really where to start i got a few of these um i think one of the one of the coolest and like most recent ones that i had was um this spring i went on vacation to new england obviously like a place with a lot of rich history and people have been around there doing messed up spooky stuff for a long time um and so one of the nights we spent there was actually in Salem as in like witch trials and everything nice yeah so we saw a lot of cool stuff there we went to um like the house of the seven gables like from the Nathaniel Hawthorne book um which is really creepy in and of itself um and really cool looking there's like secret passageways all over that thing um yeah it's really messed up but anyway that night we went on a ghost tour in in the town of Salem and we weren't expecting to see anything it was like a historical tour and then like also people say they see spooky stuff here and uh so we got to the house where Nathaniel Hawthorne's wife grew up and this is actually the house where Nathaniel Hawthorne had his first paranormal experience um that he didn't even talk about to anyone we didn't find out about until after he was dead in a letter he wrote to a friend oh wow yeah i mean like this this messed him up and so we're standing outside there and it's still owned by his wife's family like even 300 some years later and right now they're doing restoration work on it and it's all stripped down to like the original 1720 clavards it's like for me i'm a huge architecture guy so i'm just trying to take pictures of this cool old house and all of a sudden i'm like looking through my my camera i'm like what the fuck is that and sure shit in the third story of this house i look up and there's like this spectral figure just comes up to the window and is staring right at me and my girlfriend and i like zoom in and i snap a couple pictures of it and i'm like freaking out and as we're walking away right like what are you doing dude you're dead he's got a boner so there's there's two really creepy parts of this story um creepier than the fact that there's like this ghostly figure looking at us right so so this house is on lockdown right the only people who have access to it are the renovators and the Peabody family themselves so no one can get in no one can get out without like special security driven permission it's also right next to the graveyard where all of the judges and jury members from the Salem witch trials are buried and right across the graveyard from the memorial to the victims of the Salem witch trials holy shit that's crazy yeah oh my gosh it gets worse oh my gosh as we were walking away my girlfriend leans over to me and goes uh did you see that and i'm like oh you mean this and i like pull up the pictures of it on my phone towards the end of the tour we find out that that window where it was looking at us is actually a ghost hot spot people see stuff in that window all the time and one of the most credible like images ever captured of a paranormal event happening in the city of Salem was a guy who got a 10 second clip seeing that exact phenomenon happen a couple years earlier wow wow we didn't find that out till later yeah holy smokes yeah i got yeah oh it was it was definitely one of the highlights of the trip um and i got picked you know i got the pictures i can put them on discord or something later if you guys want right on yeah yeah that would be amazing i definitely want to see those pictures one time i'll put them up in the uh background yeah not not not good pictures but but i i did get kind of kind of pictures you can kind of kind of make stuff out really really crappy pictures because i'm zoomed way in and it's kind of dark out but right yeah yeah i got a couple pictures of it you can kind of see it not for a while was like crystal clear like this like creepy looking like dog kind of face thing sitting in the window staring at us um i didn't get quite really good pictures of that but but yeah that's awesome that is incredible yeah so maybe uh you gotta follow up on that one and this is awful because mine is like it's pretty short and i mean not really sweet but uh i'll just get right into it so um this happened to me back when i lived i still lived with my parents and um i don't even remember how old i was but um the computer used to be set up in my parents room so they could like monitor you know what we're doing and everything like that um and they had the way it was set up um if you're facing the camera their bed was behind you directly behind you and they had um this like old bed frame from like the 70s that was like falling apart it was like very like if you the the bed frame would start to like go like this it had posts on it and so you had to kind of like pull on the bed posts to get it to like straighten back out it was it was terrible and every time you pulled on the bed post or if you like bumped into it or anything like that you would hear a very distinctive squeak like it was just it would always squeak it was just the thing it did so um i was home alone of course as one always is when creepy shit happened uh i was home alone and i was on the computer and um i heard one squeak just one little squeak and i was like all right and so i kind of turn around and i'm like how maybe i just i don't know something we don't have like pets or anything in the house so it's not like anything bumped up against it um and i was like all right i'm just you know whatever on the computer and then i hear like squeak squeak and i'm like all right and so i'm like turning around again and uh nothing there's nothing there there's nobody home um and then i'm like do what do i leave like what do i do and i'm like no it's just you're being silly whatever and then i start hearing squeak squeak squeak squeak like it's just squeaking very i mean clear as day there's no way i'm mistaking it it's happening over and over again and i like turn around real fast and it stops and i'm like i don't know i i don't know what to do and so i just like i leave the computer going and i just leave i'm home alone i don't know what to do i just like go outside and do things outside and this is like you know no i wasn't i wasn't into it um and so i never told this story to my sister uh who is dara not gaini who is probably in the uh chat right now i never told her this story while we still lived there because she was she's very very afraid of like shit like that she would you know she's very afraid of it so i never told her this story um and then i don't know why i decided to tell the story years later and she was like no way i swear when i was in that bed one time because we would also watch tv in there when we were a lot younger um um and she was like i swear i was in there and i just felt the sheets like someone jerked the sheets like because she was laying on the bed watching tv and she's like someone just jerked the sheets and she was like i was done i was out there like so yeah and then that was it there was never anything else um but as kind of a follow-up i guess when i turned 17 um a friend of mine took me to st augustine here in florida which is one of the most you know notoriously haunted places and we went on a ghost tour and they told us i don't know if they just tell you this to scare you or not but they say um if you've ever had a near-death experience you're more likely to have things follow you bond to you whatever oh really yeah and so when i was actually when my mom was in labor with me um she had a kind of a troublesome labor and they had to do an emergency c-section because my heartbeat would just keep dropping and everything like that so i don't know if that really counts as a near-death experience but i was like maybe you know and just because i love this kind of stuff i'm like grasping at straws like this is what it is this is what's happening so so there it is there's my supernatural experience all right so we've got a peeping tom ghost and a squeaky bed ghost and a squeaky horn and it's fucked they know each other all right so i guess that brings me to my story uh before i start this story a couple things you should know this is a story about the curse of devil's hola that's where I grew up and which is that it's devil's holo but in West Virginia you say devil's hola but um first thing my brother and my uncle are the same age I know that's a little weird but it is relevant to the story the other thing is the curse story I think was made up I'm not a superstitious person at all but yeah I think this whole curse story was made up but I'll tell you the story that I heard as far as the curse goes it was a Native American man worked for an Englishman actually in Pennsylvania and he was actually really good at his job he had a head for numbers and he worked for a merchant but he ended up catching the eye of the merchants daughter and ended up asking for her hand in marriage you know formally asked the merchant the merchants like hell no not having that shit fired him and then you know put it out around town that he was not to be hired by anyone else essentially ran him out of town so he left town he actually went got a new job got some money came back eloped with the girl she came with him and they they ended up settling down in devil's hola and the people there didn't really like it too much because they settled down they got married and they had three children and you know people are racist as fuck and they didn't care for the whole interracial Native American and English woman relationship that was going on so the all the while the merchant father had you know put out was putting out information trying to find his daughter and you know saying that this man kidnapped his daughter and stuff so when news finally reached that community and they realized that that's who it was they they formed up in a group and of course you know mob rules that you know how people think they ended up killing the three the three children first hanging them and then hanging the man last which and you know rescuing the the wife but that's just seems particularly harsh to me that you would hang the children before him but as the story goes he put a curse on the entire area saying that every third generation the curse would come and take three children from that community which is the community I grew up in so there's the curse story so I'm going to tell you now the when the deaths started happening in in our community and I'm not going to use people's real names this stuff really did happen but I'm not going to use people's real names because these guys were friends of mine but um and I don't want people like looking up their family and trying to find stuff out so we'll just say Bob for the first one my uncle and Bob were at this place called Running Bear pond which was it was really just a sinkhole that was filled with water like a very very deep sinkhole sinkhole wasn't very far across but it was extremely deep and it was known to have pockets of very cold water bubbling up from from from below and my dumbass uncle Mike and Bob were challenging each other to swim across Running Bear and they'd both done it once and they were going back to try and do it again my uncle made a cross Bob did not he started you know thrashing around my uncle tried to swim out and get him but he was already tired from swimming across the pond pretty much twice and so so Bob Bob drowned took them days and days to find his body apparently there's school buses and several cars and all kinds of shit at the bottom of Running Bear pond which I did not know about but so that was the first one and then the second one was very close friend of mine we'll call him Danny we took Taekwondo lessons together in the in the local local library basement but Danny and unfortunately in a farming accident I lost his life and so and Danny and Bob were both the same age which is the same age as my uncle and my brother and that's when this whole curse story started floating around and that's why I think it was made up I think people made it up because just to deal with all of that and I had lived there for a long time and never heard this story it didn't come out until kids started dying of the same age in the same area but anyway my brother was freaked the fuck out well once this curse story started up because there was supposed to be a third there was gonna be a third child he was the same age he lived in the same area I don't know if my uncle was afraid at all but because you know he just didn't bring that situation up to him but yeah that it was going around all the kids in the area I wasn't all that afraid because I just wasn't that age I did believe it at the time I don't know but yeah my brother was very scared but we ended up finding out that a month before Bob died the one who drowned there was a girl that we didn't even know who was homes she was a homeschool in a Mormon family that lived a little bit further down the hollow that had died of pneumonia her parents didn't want to take her to the hospital for religious reasons so that was so that would make a what I calling Danny that would make Danny the third person in the curse story to die so that is the curse of devil's hollow and yeah like I said those are real people really great dudes I mean I barely remember them because I was very small but yeah that's intense shit well said yeah what's that what's that we found out that up that third girl died like everybody's like oh like no no cheese it's horrible that's not a sigh of relief well I don't know if I don't know if I just killed the mood or intensified the mood that's that's like intense as shit holy shit okay well well I think that kind of makes up my mind for me I'm gonna go with something a little bit lighter because nothing bad ended up actually happening but it is still pretty creepy so the house that I grew up in was like a hundred some year old farmhouse and when I was about like seven years older so I had four imaginary friends and they were all like prepubescent to about like early teenage American Indian kids and they weren't and this is only weird to me now looking back they weren't allowed to leave the property and they were afraid to go inside the house like they refused to they could but they refused to and I saw a lot of weird shit in that house I could probably go on for a couple hours about everything that happened in that house but the thing that freaked me out probably more than anything else is in the basement there was two parts of it so one was original to the house and then the other one because it was so old it didn't have a bathroom you know it's it's northern Wisconsin like a hundred years ago they didn't have you know toilets and bathrooms there so eventually at some point they had added on a bathroom and when they did that they added on to the basement as well and every time you would go from one part of the basement to the other the temperature would change and right in the threshold of that doorway I would always feel someone like breathing on my neck every time I went down there because that's where we kept like our canned goods and like you know sodas and stuff that we weren't keeping in the fridge and so every time I had to go down there for food or something I would feel like this like a like a you know like when someone's like almost touching you but they're not like all over my back and then like cold breath like down my neck and so I get spooked and this one time I mean this happened more than once but this was around the same time you know like a like when I was seven probably the first time it happened so I decided I was just because normally I would just run right up the stairs and I decided being stupid I'm being you know I'm a dumb kid just gonna walk up the stairs like normal and something grabbed me by the ankle and yoinked me down the stairs and like literally dragged me down back into the basement and no no apparently he wanted me to run yeah and it dragged me down into the basement probably the scariest part of this story is because I moved out of that house when I was ten I lived there from like just before I turned six to I was about ten and a half and two of my brothers actually ended up moving back into that house and so I asked them a couple months ago and one of my brothers like yeah like I still hear footsteps upstairs even though like no one's home and like I'll still see shadows even though nothing's casting it and like yeah there's like a whole ton of weird shit still going on in that house to this day and and whatever it was didn't like that I didn't want to run away from it you gotta show that goes to respect I do I do now do you know any history on the house as to like what the you know I know it was clear cut by loggers during the 1800s the town nearby was a logging camp during the 1800s at some point the house went up not too terribly long after that and that's really all I know about the history's property but we ended up building another house on that property and moved in there so like obviously that house couldn't be haunted but weird shit still kept happening so I think you know if whatever it is is probably more more the property than anything else that but but there is something about that house and it's not not pleasant yeah I thought you said you were going a little lighter that was that was not like terrifying well I mean nothing bad actually happened it just pulled me out and pulled my feet out from under me and said no try it try again bud flee and terror this time that's what I want you gotta think though like I mean we didn't really go down there besides like laundry or to restock our pantry yeah from like the extra pantry in the basement so he had to get bored down there yeah right my dogs didn't like the basement my mom's cat didn't like the basement we kept her litter box down there and she like wouldn't use it yeah that's not a good sign anytime animals like think like if they stare off into space like they see something you know I'm like oh hell no I'm trying to play around with stuff it's like yeah I don't know there's there's something about animals for me it's little kids yeah little kids as well wow it's like they don't know about all this shit they got no reason to make they don't really have a concept of like lying or you know yeah good one unfortunately I think that's about all we have time for just a couple of couple of stories I hope you guys had all had fun I know I certainly had fun I love I love telling scary stories but let's move it along the plugs joy she got anything to plug yeah I mean I still have my YouTube channel we're about to hit 6,000 subscribers we're around like that 70 or 57 to 5,800 mark right now I've also been streaming on twitch full-time this last month and a half switched over to there made affiliates twitch.tv slash joy senator I'd really appreciate any follows we're doing a giveaway at 250 followers so sooner we hit that the the better the sooner I can give out some some money so good to hear good to hear and I can testify that Joyce giveaways are no joke is my husband won one he got a $10 PlayStation gift card from from a giveaway I did not know that nice yeah yeah um I'll plug my my twitch I haven't been streaming too often I'm sorry I'm kind of just taking a step back for a little while but I will still go ahead and plug it because I'm not going anywhere I'm still gonna gonna be streaming so come on out and say hi by the time this airs I guess there's no yeah by the time it's airs I'm gonna do a birthday stream so which my birthday yeah so if you guys but I'll I'll plug all that on like my discord and everything so hopefully you guys will have come out to my birthday stream I ain't got nothing to plug I'm really happy for everybody that came out like I said if you do have a spooky story of your own please leave it in the comments below and share it I will be more than happy to read I am so speaking of spooky scary stuff that was your cat has excellent timing I can hear you okay that's good oh my god this is gonna be before the Indians crew signing off you guys have a good one man