 U.S. President Joe Biden does not think the Chinese government carried out the global cyber espionage campaign, but he believes that the Asian country protected the hackers. His statement comes after the United States and its allies accused China of the campaign. Biden in the meantime says investigation is still underway. It's the best of my knowledge and I'm getting a report tomorrow morning on this, a detailed report. My understanding is that the Chinese government, not unlike the Russian government, is not doing this themselves, but are protecting those who are doing it, and maybe even accommodating them being able to do it. That may be the difference. And joining us now is Pyotr Kuzn. He's a geopolitical analyst from the United Kingdom. Thank you very much, Pyotr, for joining us. Thank you very much for having me. It's very exciting to be here. I do appreciate being on to share and talk about this very important and timely topic. Great. So let's go straight to it. The scale of cyber attacks is, I mean, in question is pretty huge. Can you help us understand why it's becoming bigger and bigger? So I mean, generally cyber attacks and cyber security is something that is becoming one of the prevalent ways that countries sort of undergo geostrategical manoeuvring and balance against one another. We're out of the days of conventional warfare where traditional military fights will be occurring and we're not, everything's being done online. And I think with the impact of the COVID pandemic, we've really seen that shift even more. And so countries that are challenging the US hegemony are going to be coming and utilizing such tactics like these more and more, including China, Russia, Iran and others. Well, there seems to be no love lost between China and the rest of the world. Why do you think that China is coming under so much fire, especially when it comes to, you know, cyber espionage, like the one that the US government is referring to? So China is in a bit of a rock and a hard place, I think at the moment, because they are, they're going up against a lot of criticism given the what happened with the pandemic. There is, you know, there's some speculations as to whether or not they could have released information about the virus sooner than they did, that they are protecting individuals who do malign activities like these. And also because of their human rights issues ongoing with the Uyghurs in the west of China. And there's just a lot of, should we say, questionable activities that the CCP are doing. And I think that a lot of the international community are beginning to really sit up and take notice and want to hold them to account. Well, if China were to be behind this, we're saying if, what could be the motivation of China to be behind this cyber espionage? What would be, you know, the end game? That's a very good question. Not one that we can fully ascertain, given that, you know, these are things that do go on in background, we kind of fully gain all the information. It's a balancing game. The U.S. has been the dominant power for pretty much 70, 80 years since the Second World War. And they were particularly at the collapse of the Soviet Union with the only power of the Hegemon. So China is now here, it is rising in many ways. And so it wants to find ways to challenge and some ways undermine the, the, the, the, the graph will hold that the Western world, if you like, has had so long. And as I say, I think cyber attacks is one of the ways that they go about that. Do you see an end in sight, especially when the U.S. and its allies are literally fingering, you know, China and all of this, do you see an end? Is there a time where China and the rest of the world will come to some sort of agreement or have a common ground of sorts? Well, if we take it back a little bit, particular relation, senior U.S. relations have been delicate, given the shift in U.S. policy under the Trump administration. We are effectively the United States and China are effectively in a form of war, a trade war, and they have been since 2018 or so. And so if they're going to start doing malign activities like these, then that's just going to escalate things even more to the point where it's difficult to really tell how far you can, how where this is going to go. I don't see it boiling over into like a hot war of actually, you know, military engagement between the two countries. But it's definitely going to see a deterioration in the country's relations. And it's difficult because China has such a centrality to so much of the global economy in globalization and our alliance on China to produce so much of everything that we take for granted for in the West. And so it's going to be delicate to see where the where the relations go. I myself can't. I don't want to try and make predictions because it could it could take a very different number of directions. But I can't see things getting moving that quickly. Unfortunately, I think that the way that we'll see some kind of cooperation will be through areas like climate change. If China plays ball with the with the global pandemic and allows the WHO to access the market and releases more of the information. And there will be ways that the US and China can work together. But if they continue to undertake activity such as these, it's going to be difficult to see how we can how we can all be, brotherly and close, unfortunately. Well, thank you very much. Peter Cousin is a geopolitics analyst and he joined us from the United Kingdom. Thank you for speaking with us. Thank you very much, ma'am. All right. Hello, hope you enjoyed the news. Please do subscribe to our YouTube channel and don't forget to hit the notification button so you get notified about fresh news updates.