 And even the way we conduct our business now for me doesn't it's not as sustainable as it should be I still don't think that the plant-based industry has done enough to be sustainable. I know Emerson experiences every day we go through 50 cartons of oat milk on a weekend on one day I sent Tony on Instagram a link yesterday or two days ago somebody. I think it was somewhere in Europe They were recycling their cartons by like I guess they were Washing them out and then cutting like holes in the middle and letting it serve as a drink carrier And they were just repurposing it yeah, and that way to say oh, well, we've got now this empty oat milk container Yeah, oh, that's so smart. Let's just clean it out Let's kind of triangle cut and then now it's a drink here. Yeah, people ask us every day for drink carriers I don't have them. Yeah, so that's not my new so that's your new thing. Yeah I want to go back you had talked about how you feel like even with what you're doing now Is not as sustainable as you want it to be so like what's if you guys were to have like you're on That checklist your top three of like the next things you want to either implement whether it's like within your company itself or an extension to your Customers, what are those three things that you kind of want to do my dream is number one say dream I want to have Create I've seen them before they exist when those big machines that we get our oat milk out of so rather than using cartons, that's our biggest waste most we have two or three bin bags a day of Cartons that we put in recycling bin where they then go. I don't know I think that was one of our biggest shocks coming to California the supposed like vegan centric environmentally friendly place of America has The worst recycling I've ever witnessed before So like seeing all of that definitely something made me go We have to do something better with our waste So I'd like to get rid of the carton side of the business and find a way It's very difficult on a truck Because you're limited with resource and stuff So I guess if I'm taking out the confines of that that's definitely something I don't want to do where we've just got a bigger system Or bigger container storage and maybe we get The milk delivered in a different method that means that we can pour it straight out of that type of machine Like I worked for intelligentsia way back in the day like going on ten years now and at the time When the milk would come in we would put it in Class milk containers that would then be in our ice buckets at the machine And it was that there was like a way that we could control the recycling aspect of that Those containers and that plastic Which was the same thing that we would do with the beans we would get the five pound bags of beans And we'd put them in these big class mason jars That were Probably better airtight Than the bags once the bags are opened We really try on the small wares as well You know put in every trying to put as much as we can in the the paper Cups, um, but there's still a little element of plastics that we use Yeah, even the recycled plastics were a bit of an eye opener. Wasn't they? Yeah, I think there's a there's a misconception here isn't there if you put the word compostable on your item or Uh biodegradable everyone thinks oh, that's amazing. That's a really sustainable product But lo and behold if you don't put that in the right facility That's just going to end up in landfill like everything else So we do have plastics on our truck and they're the number one You know the one in the little recycling symbol, which means if they go to the recycling center, they'll actually get recycled and reused They're the easiest one to recycle And that you know it took us some education and learning and it makes sense to do it that way But I would like to as well like number one is definitely We go through so much oatmeal those cartons have got to find a way to go will be reused better And then number two is the small wares I'd like to be able to offer Recycle back schemes. So if you you know bring your cup back and we all will make sure this goes to the right place We do like a lot of people do the discount if you bring your own cup or whatnot, but Because we're not that coffee shop. I can't do anything in ceramics I can only do bring your own cup. So Doing something more and actually taking back the containers if especially when we're like farmers markets where people grab a coffee They walk around They're still in the same area as I think they could happily put that cup back in my trash And then doing something with that cup to make sure it goes to the right home or the right facility is a big one Yeah, we've started to Do with do that with the coffee grinds haven't we as well Give them to the farmers market at the end of the shift They've got a plot of land down the road that they grow fruit and veg on so we give them them give them our beans for compost I imagine even in this neighborhood you guys could find if you like had a sign or advertised that you'd have somebody with their own Little home garden of some sort Oh, I can have your your coffee grinds Yes, please save me a bag. Well the farm cup face grab. I can see it coming. That's another thing That is always a good idea to reuse all of your grounds Yeah, I know that a lot of shops to do that But I think fundamentally the business model of coffee is kind of all over the place and sustainability and it's And it really falls down to the owners of you know, each coffee shop but at the end of the day the beginning stages of the coffee farming And exporting because none of that coffee, you know comes out of anywhere near the united states. So transporting it here With you know fossil fuels from those very far-flung places Does cost a lot So we need to mitigate mitigate mitigate on to the point that we're giving it to the to the consumer So I see the the drive, you know to switch to alternative milks to really reduce that Making sure that we use all the plastics and I'm putting a little bit of the blame to all of the Alternative milks out there because you're right a lot of those plastic elements the tetrapacks the linings all of those things are not recyclable So there's a lot of things and I don't know how we see the coffee Industry switching from now on because you know like it's starting in the epicenter in certain places like LA like San Francisco And all those places where the majority of the things are plant-based I would say even Seattle So I don't know how it's going to expand and I don't know how we're going to be able to see it Kind of like shift itself away from all of these things now that we know that it's like a really heavy burden And even our roasters like roasting machines do create a lot of pollution. They create a lot of Micro particles that do you know and get around everywhere So there's a lot of things that we need to create a better awareness over and I don't know how we're going to see it I don't know when it's going to happen or how it's going to happen I mean I feel like the one good thing like if there's one Potential silver lining kind of coming out of kovat, you know as you guys kind of decide your brick and mortar and whatnot I mean the downside to kovat is like everything's been to go Just by default everything's going to go because we're closed you can't hang out Support our business, but you got to go You know yeah, and now like it's as we're slowly coming out of that, you know being able to be in a position to Have your brick and mortar spaces and want to encourage people to say no no no don't don't go come hang out You know maybe to the point where you say we don't offer to go cups unless it's your own You know everything else is just like ground. Yeah sit down and enjoy your cortado Sit down with your friend and do your cappuccino. I love that idea