 Before we get into the video today, I just want to give a quick shout out to one of our sponsors, Gnostic TV. Gnostic TV is ancient wisdom reimagined. This is a Netflix for those who are spiritually curious and want a place to go where there is no censorship. I personally am doing a whole series on Gnostic TV called The Esoteric Explorer where I am providing exclusive content to Gnostic. Gnostic TV is a host to all sorts of different content creators, many of whom are your old favorites. If you would like to check out Gnostic TV, there is a link down in the description box below. On the evening of February 9th, 2004, a black 1996 Saturn four-door sedan crashed into a ditch on Route 112 near the small New Hampshire town of Woodsville. The driver was a young 21-year-old nursing student at the University of Massachusetts Amherst. A call was made to the Griffin County Sheriff's Department at 7.27 p.m. by a neighbor who noticed the wrecked car up on the snowbank along Route 112. According to the police call log, the neighbor claimed a man was smoking a cigarette in the passenger side of the car inside the wrecked car while the young woman walked around the car checking out the damage. Later on, this neighbor would claim she did not see a man smoking but what might have been a red glowing light from a cell phone. Another call was made to the police at 7.43 p.m. by another neighbor who was coming home from work and spotted the accident. Seeing a young girl in distress, he pulled over and asked if he could call the police for her. According to this neighbor, the young girl pleaded with him not to call the police, claiming she had already called AAA. The neighbor knew two things for certain. This young girl was terrified of the police and was also lying about calling AAA as he knew there was no cell phone reception in that area. Because of this, when the neighbor got home, he called the police. The official report claims the police showed up at the crash at 7.46 p.m. The officer on the scene said there was no human in sight. The young girl has never been seen again and almost 20 years later, we still have no idea what happened to her. But before we go any further, you know what to do, please hit that subscribe button and give us a like. As always, such a big, big thank you to all of our patrons and our producers here on Esoteric Atlanta. Without your help, this channel would not exist. If you would like to join our Patreon or our producer community, there is a link down in the description box below. Welcome to Esoteric Atlanta, my name is Bryce and today in part one, we're going to be talking about the disappearance of Mora Murray. The Mora Murray case is a very, very big and very interesting case. Because of that, we are going to be dividing this case into a part one and a part two. Now in part one, the episodes you're watching now, we're going to divide it into two sections. Part one point A and part one point B. In part one point A, we're going to talk about who Mora Murray was and start to look at the official timeline of her disappearance. That's been given to the public. In part one point B, we're going to be breaking down that timeline and looking at all the different theories of what possibly happened to Mora Murray. Now, like many people who've been invested in this case, I do have an opinion of what happened to her. And to be honest with you guys, this case has fascinated me for a very, very long time. The Mora Murray case is considered to be one of the first big social media cases. This case happened, her disappearance happened around the time that Facebook itself was just getting started. And so what I believe they mean by this is before social media, when people would go missing, there would be documentaries, date lines, 2020s, all that kind of stuff. But with the onslaught of social media, getting the word out and having just regular citizens on the lookout for a missing person, or having regular citizens be what we call armchair detectives, to research and give their theories has really changed the way in which people are found. Now, with that being said, it has been almost 20 years since Mora Murray disappeared. And some people, the people who do believe she is still alive, have claimed to have seen her. But other people believe that she is no longer living. And again, we're going to talk about that, what possibly happened to her in part one point B. But right now, let's go ahead and get started with part one point A. Mora Murray was born on the 4th of May 1982. She was born to her father, Fred Murray, who was a medical technician and her mother, Lori Murray, who was a nurse. Now, Laura was born into a pretty big family. Well, big by today's standards, she was the fourth child. She had an older brother named Fred, Fred, Junior, and two older sisters named Kathleen and Julie. The Murrays lived in Massachusetts and Mora Murray herself was born in Brockton, Massachusetts. Now, when I looked at the map to look at all the different locations where the Murrays had lived, they basically kind of all lived in the same area just south of Boston. And in fact, this whole case regarding her disappearance all happens in the New England area. And for people who are not familiar with New England, it is kind of this like cluster of states. So there are some states like Massachusetts that are pretty big, but some states are not so big. And so when we get into the timeline into where her car was found, what happened, I will try my best to explain the geographical locations just for our audience watching who is not from the United States. Well, around the age of six, Fred and Lori, her parents got divorced. And right after her parents got divorced, Lori Murray, her mother got pregnant with Curtis, who is the fifth child now. On top of that, Mora and her siblings were primarily raised with their mother once their parents got divorced, which is very common. I think in most states, the mother typically gets primary custody of the children. But her father, Fred, was very, very involved in his kids' lives. Now, another reason why I feel like I am very attracted to this missing person's case is because Mora Murray was only nine months older than me. Again, she was born on May 4, 1982. I was born on February 4, 1983. And so I feel a deep connection to Mora in a lot of ways. I, reading through this case, looking at her high school experiences, looking at her college experiences, she had a bit of an overachiever persona. I understand that. I remember those days of being in high school and doing everything I could to get accepted into a good college and all the stress that comes with that. And so I do feel like, for me especially, and there might be a lot of other podcasters and YouTubers out there that probably feel that same connection, like there's this kind of understanding of what Mora was going through. Because in high school, she was very much an overachiever. She excelled in almost everything she did. She didn't just excel at it, though. It wasn't like she just, like, was naturally good at things. She really worked very hard to be the best at what she did. In fact, for academically, she was on the National Honor Society. But where she really excelled was sports. Now, according to the family's website, which I will link down in the description box below, she played all sorts of sports. In fact, she really loved basketball. She did a lot with basketball, traveled all over New England with basketball. But the sport in which she really excelled was running. She was a track star as well as a cross-country star. And it does seem that this was a sport that was pretty well-practiced by a lot of her family members. She basically kind of came from, like, a running family. And we do know that Fred, the father, was very involved in coaching the girls. He really worked with the girls, especially, especially Julie and Mora, on their athletics. Now, many people have kind of come down hard on Fred, like pushing him. Because maybe he pushed them too much in the sports. But again, Curtis, the little brother, so that really wasn't true. And from other episodes I've seen or interviews I've seen with Fred, he pushed them where they wanted to be pushed. He has said many times, as well as Curtis and other family members, that if the girls all of a sudden weren't interested in running anymore, Fred would have been fine with that as well. He just seemed to be very involved with them. And I can respect that. I think that is one way, in this case, where perhaps maybe the media has sensationalized something that doesn't need to be sensationalized. Her parents were divorced. Mora and her siblings primarily lived with the mother Lori. And so it is natural for the father, we think about father energy, to want to be involved in his children's lives in one way where a father might excel in his children's lives. Is there sports? According to MoraMariemissing.org, Mora was a fierce competitor who finished as a top tier runner in Massachusetts and broke several long standing school records. Now again, the reason why I reiterate this is because this is something very important to remember as we move into part one point B of this story. When we look at Mora's capacity, her lung capacity, when it comes to surviving in the mountains in winter, and her level of physical fitness, we know that long distance runners, especially cross country runners, which was something Mora did. It is that sport is what you think it is. It's cross country track. You're on a pretty even kill track, but in cross country, you are trail running. And so for Mora, even at her university, even if she's not running competitively in a university, she was still a runner. And so her physical fitness, her ability, her body's ability to take in oxygen was a lot better. And she was way better equipped to survive the Appalachian Mountains than maybe just an average Joe on the street. So I really want you guys to keep that hold that into consideration because it is going to come up later in the story. In the year 2000, Mora graduated from Whitman Hanson High School with top marks academically and a record breaking athletic resume. Mora had her pick of universities. In my opinion, Mora made a bold move when she decided to accept a congressional nomination from the state Senator Edward Kennedy to start her college journey at the prestigious United States Military Academy at West Point. For our non-American viewers, this is simply just called West Point here in the United States. But I wanted to read out the full title of the college because this is a big deal. This is from some of the statistics I read and looked up. They only accept about 10% of the applicants who actually apply to West Point. It is military based. And so the kids who decide to go to university here, they're not only expected to keep up with university classes themselves, but also they are expected to constantly be doing military training. And of course, because of that, you know, a lot of college campuses or university campuses for our viewers who are from another country in the United States. I know in England and other parts of the world, college and university are two different things. But in the United States, those are interchangeable words. So I want to make that very clear in case you hear me going in and out with the word college and university. It's the same thing here in the United States. It's the place you go to for an undergrad, you know, for higher education after you have finished high school, basically your 12th year of school. So this is university for lack of a better word. So she was 18 when she when she went to West Point. And that just also shows you how smart she was and how adept she was because they offered her an actual scholarship to go to West Point, whereas most kids were just trying crossing their fingers and trying to get in. But I also want to reiterate, like this is not most not most. There are a lot of universities here in the United States that are considered to be like party schools. So like here in the state of Georgia, our state university is the University of Georgia over in Athens, Georgia, where my friend who's on the channel a lot, Angie is from. Both of my parents went to the University of Georgia and my father also went to veterinary school at the University of Georgia. Now that University of Georgia is one of the most prestigious universities in the United States that with the University of Virginia, there's some other big ones. But West Point was a little bit different because at the University of Georgia, all these other universities, you do have a sense of party. You do have a sense of kids letting loose. They're in this time in their life where they're finally out of the house. They're in, they're joining shorties, joining fraternities. They're they're experimenting with their boundaries when it comes to no, no real rules and regulations and how to how to self govern without being at home and learning how to maintain their, their academics work along with again being out in the world socializing as an adult. But with West Point, again, she's not in this situation. She's she's definitely being monitored. She's having to work her ass off. A lot of kids go to university and they gain the freshman 15 because they're eating junk food. That's that's probably not happening at West Point because they're working their asses off physically and keeping it. It's it's military. It's absolute military. Well, Mara's older sister Julie was also at West Point and Julie herself has been very instrumental in Mara's disappearance. And you can definitely tell from Julie that this is a this is a very hardworking, very physically fit woman even today. Well, around Mara's second year, she started to have some issues at West Point. Now, according to her family's website, she decided that she the military lifestyle was not for her. And so she withdrew from West Point. I totally understand that the military life is not for me either, even though I'm a hardcore exerciser. I also don't like being told what to do all the time. So so I totally understand if that's the case, but it does seem like the family did sugar coat that for their website because we do have evidence that Mara had been called before the discipline disciplinary committee of West Point about seven times before her withdrawal. Now, again, it places like West Point. I don't know. It could be that you didn't make your bed up properly or you were late to a training. That might be something that renders you to the disciplinary committee at somewhere like West Point. But we do know that Mara had finally what would finally instigated her withdrawal from West Point was that she got caught shoplifting some makeup from Fort Knox, when the Fort Knox commissary shops, which is pretty bold move to do. It almost sounds like she was like crying out for help in my opinion because I don't think anybody would be successful at shoplifting makeup from Fort Knox. Mara did admit to this theft and so she was dismissed. She withdrew from West Point and she re-enrolled herself into the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, which is again called in the United States UMass. So if you hear me for our viewers that are not from the United States, I will thus forth be referring to her new university as UMass. Now, this is a typical university like the University of Georgia or any other university where now she's got a little bit more freedom. She does change her study to nursing like her mother. This is notoriously a very hard degree to get. 20 years ago, you were expected to earn your grades. You were expected to do the hard work. So I'm not going to sugarcoat that. She was under some stress even as a nursing student, but at least she was in a university that was maybe a little bit more relaxed. You didn't have to also have the pressure of being a star athlete of all these other things that West Point was putting on her shoulders. And it does appear that Mara did very quickly make friends that she did create a little new little social circle of girlies that were her friends at UMass. In November of 2003, though, just a few mere months before Mara would disappear, she got into some trouble again. She got in trouble for credit card theft. She charged about $79 to food delivery services using somebody else's credit card. Now, it was one of the other girls that lived in the dorm with her at UMass. She had noticed that there was big food charges to like a couple of pizza places and stuff like that. And so she called the police. The police literally tracked down an order that Mara had placed. And the delivery guy brought the food to the dorm. And after she signed the credit card receipt, that's when the cops confronted her. She was brought to trial in December of 2003. But because the theft was under $250, the judge just basically told Mara to pay back the money. And if she was good, now, once you guys remember this, this is important. If she was good for three months, then this arrest would basically be taken off of her record. But if she wasn't, if she got into trouble the next three months, then she would be charged with credit card and identity theft. So just remember that, guys. Three months, she had to be clean in order. That was the choice, right? She was either going to have this completely taken off of her record. All she needed to do was pay back the $79 or she was going to be fully charged with identity and credit card theft. Now, here's what's interesting about Mara. I've seen Mara's propensity to steal as being a sign of a mental struggle. Now with this credit card, because it doesn't seem like she's actually actively trying to go out and seek theft, because according to her, she found the credit card number on a receipt in the girl's bathroom at the door. So it was just kind of like a happenstance of where she was at that time. It's not like she knew the girl, like, picked her pocket. She just got the card number off of a receipt. Now, thank you to some other podcasters that brought this up. They actually looked up laws regarding credit card numbers. And now if you put something on a credit card or debit card, they X out all the numbers except maybe the four at the end. Well, 20 years ago, this was not the case. 20 years ago, they fully had the credit card numbers on receipts. So from what these other podcasters said, given their research and I agree with them, that story does seem accurate that she literally just found the receipt. So that says to me, she's not a malicious person. She's not someone that's out there trying to plot ways to steal from people. She's just seeing opportunities. And for some reason, she's acting those opportunities out almost like an adrenaline rush. We also know that Mora was not somebody who was financially struggling. She worked multiple jobs. And even though she came from a middle class family, it wasn't like she couldn't ask her parents for help if she needed help. She wasn't starving. She wasn't somebody that was stealing food because she couldn't feed herself. There's also something else I would like to bring up in this as well. And a lot of different podcasters and armchair detectives have spoken about this, the potential that Mora had an eating disorder. And I have a lot to say about this. And I'm not saying she did and I'm not saying she didn't. I just want to give my experience and why I think this might potentially show maybe some of the obsessive compulsion that Mora had and maybe spoke more to her anxiety. When she was placing these orders with the credit card, she was ordering a lot of food each time. Is it possible that she was ordering food for friends too? Maybe. But it seems like that she maybe was a binge eater. Now, I don't know if she did have an eating disorder. I don't know if it was just binge eating or if it was bulimia where she was throwing it up later. But I will say something that I have yet to hear somebody bring up. And again, this is coming from my experience. This is not necessarily what was happening to Mora, but maybe this is another perspective that we can take. As I've said before on this channel, I am a huge exerciser. I, like Mora, ran cross-country in high school. I ran throughout my university years too. I was like her. I was a cross-country long distance runner. I now am the only female authorized Ashtanga teacher in the state of Georgia. And Ashtanga is an incredibly physically demanding practice. And to be authorized, you have to make it to a certain level physically in the practice in order to be able to teach. So that gives you kind of an understanding of what I've put my body through. Now, with that being said too, because my running in college and in my work as an Ashtanga practitioner and teacher, we don't have an off season. We're always repeatedly working out and exercising. Now, when you're involved in a sport, and I've seen this with myself, I've also seen this within my colleagues and my peers, especially a sport that's like long distance running, swimming, something like Ashtanga, you start to become very subtly aware of the food you eat. And when you eat too much, it starts to create a heaviness in your body. And you feel that heaviness. So if I were to binge eat a big cheesy pizza right now and then tomorrow morning try to go for like a six mile run, it would not be pleasant because I feel that in my stomach. The same with Ashtanga. When you're trying to put your leg behind your head or do move forward and back hand springs, if you've got a heaviness in your stomach, it's going to cause problems within the activity. Now, it's even more so if you are competitive, like if you are running races, that's even more so of how it affects your time, your speed, all that kind of stuff. And so what tends to happen is that people, not just women, but men too will pick up a disordered eating where they will try to just naturally refrain from eating enough so that they have a lighter load, literally a lighter load in their stomach so they can go faster or they can have a more stable practice, whatever it is. I'm sure this is true in almost every sport where things like time and precision matter, right? And so what tends to happen though is you end up, you do end up or in a lot of cases, people do end up creating their own eating disorder, but it doesn't come from the traditional places eating disorders come from. It ends in the same results, but it's coming from a different motivation because when you're doing things like long distance running, long distance swimming, Ashtanga, all these things, you are burning a shit ton of calories. And your body starts, your body in motion stays in motion. And so your metabolism gets up. So that is going to cause you to get a lot hungrier sometimes. And when you're trying to restrict yourself and you're feeling that hunger pain, you're going to go through episodes where you then lose control and binge. And then after you binge, you're probably going to throw it up because you don't want to feel that heaviness tomorrow when you go for your run. I believe with a lot of people, and that's something that I try to be very, very careful with, with Ashtanga, Harmony Slater, who is a friend of mine, a female teacher up in Canada. One time she was teaching here in Atlanta and a woman was working on a particular transition, Pichmyrasana, Kranavasana, where you're up in your forearm stand and you're kicking your legs and pulling them in your stomach and lifting. It's a very complicated transition. And this one student that we have here in Atlanta had been working on this for a really long time and was just having a really hard time executing the, the, the transition, which is normal. It takes a long time, especially for women because it's let an upper body strength. And she had asked Harmony, is there anything I can do to help me figure this out? And in the moment, Harmony said, just keep practicing. After class, she said, I could have told her if you lose 10 pounds, you'll be able to do this. But I'm not going to because I don't want to cause an eating disorder for her. So in telling you that story, I want you to see how, how, okay, yeah, if I'm an athlete, if I want to, you know, do this, this thing, this transition and I lose 10 pounds, it'll make it easier. And all of a sudden you start to realize how subtly the food affects you within your own performance in your sport. And then over time, it starts to become such a pattern with you. And if Mara had an eating disorder, I believe that that's where it came from. I believe it came from her cross-country running. I believe it was something that she figured out, maybe even in high school, that if she had a light stomach and no food in it, she could run faster and further that she would have more bodily control over herself when her stomach was empty and lighter in her sport. And what started off is something very innocent. Well, I just won't eat a lot the night before my meat or something like that. Turned into a full-fledged eating disorder. So I think that is where that started. And I do believe there is enough evidence to suggest that she probably was bingeing and purging and just looking at the pictures of her and how thin she was and knowing how much food she was consuming. So anyway, I just wanted to make that clear. I don't know that for sure. That's just my opinion. But I wanted to a lot of people who suspect she did have this issue. It seems like they weren't even putting into the equation the running. And that is something that I actually understand. And I hope I did a good job explaining that because this is very common with athletes. It's very common. I know so many people in the Estanga world who have a problem with this. This is really common for athletes. And I'm going to throw the Estanga people in there as athletes for this conversation. It's just very common. And it's not coming from the same place. It's coming from the same intention and that intention is to control to have more control over your body. But it's not coming from the same place as somebody who just develops it in their life. It's a different stress. But for the same reason of controlling your body, if that makes sense. And it does. It will have devastating effects on you if it continues. And so it is a sign of stress. Again, it's anxiety over keeping that perfectionism in your sports. I hope that makes sense. And if you want me to elaborate on that phenomenon more in a separate video, I will be more than happy to. But this is common with athletes. I'm sure my friend, Jamie Salay, my gold medalist, Olympic ice skating friend, probably has seen this before too. If I had to bet, I bet she knows exactly what I'm talking about with ice skaters. This is probably common with them too. So I just wanted to put that out there. So her having an eating disorder might not be caused by the same stress that other is still coming from a need of perfection, but from another instigator. I hope that makes sense. But anyway, there's that. I also want to mention that Mora was not only the Murray kid to have some sort of continual problem. It is very well documented that Mora's sister Kathleen has struggled with addiction. However, according to interviews, again with Curtis, their half brother on the Missing Mora Murray podcast, Kathleen's addiction problem started with a suicide that she felt responsible for when her fiance died when she was only 19. And Kathleen was older than Mora. So this would have been before Mora's disappearance. And a lot of people, I thought it was great that Curtis kind of cleared his sister's name because in a lot of documentaries, people think Kathleen knows more than she's saying regarding her addiction problems and Mora's disappearance. But Curtis said, no, what she's hiding is the fact that she was engaged to a man who unalived himself and in his unaliving himself notes, he blamed Kathleen for it and she was only 19 years old. So that was most likely the thing that instigated her drug addiction. So I just wanted to make that clear because that's going to come up probably more in part 1.b. So leading up to Mora's disappearance on February 9, 2004, we're going to start with February 5, 2004, which was actually one day after my 21st birthday. So there's that. I know exactly where I was when all of this was happening for Mora. I was not near Massachusetts. So it's interesting to go back in your life and go, oh my God, where was I at this time when this person was going through one of the most stressful situations that she was in. But anyway, February 5, 2004 is where this is all going to kick off for us. And we start looking at the timeline. So again, Mora worked many part-time jobs. And one of these part-time jobs was like a security job at University of Massachusetts or UMass. And she had a night shift at night. So she got to work at like 10, 30 p.m. And according to her colleagues, everything was well and good. She did get a phone call from her sister Kathleen at some point where she was visibly upset on the phone. It seems that Kathleen had just got out of another rehab facility. And I think that the siblings were so close that it was just very upsetting. It's a lot for anybody to take in the devastating effect of addiction on a sibling or a parent. But to be that young, Mora's age, and to have to hear your sister go through so much with her addiction and knowing the backstory to why her sister was in the position she was in was a lot for Mora to take in. And so she was pretty shooken up by this conversation. We also know that after she spoke with her sister Kathleen from 1207 to 1214, she had a phone call with her boyfriend, a man named Billy Rausch. And we will speak more on Billy later in this video because he does come up as a suspect. But for now, I don't really want to focus on him too much. I just want to get through the timeline of events before we start breaking down every person involved. All the spinning wheels involved in this story. But from 1207 to 1214, she did have a phone conversation with Billy. Now, Billy did not live in Massachusetts. Some reports say that he was her high school sweetheart. Other reports say that he met her at West Point. But he was in a military-esque situation at another school. So they were a long-distance relationship. And whatever they talked about on the phone from 1207 to 1214 really did upset Mora to the point where she was really just not able to work. They called the supervisor of their job and she took Mora, walked Mora, escorted her back to her dorms. So that shows you kind of the state of Mora's mind. Something really upset her. And to the point where someone had to escort her home, they didn't trust her to walk home by herself. And her escort home happened around 1.20 a.m. The supervisor all said all Mora kept saying was my sister, my sister, my sister, which is very odd because, yes, she was upset on the phone with Kathleen, but not as upset as after she got off the phone call with Billy. So I don't know if she was using her sister as a reasonable excuse as to why she was having an emotional breakdown or if Billy had said something about her sister. I don't know, but that's very odd and that's something I wanted to note here in this video. But nonetheless, on Saturday, February 7th, Fred, Murray, Mora's father, drove to Amherst to help Mora buy a new car. Now, she was driving the 1996 Saturn sedan four-door simple little car and apparently this car was quite a lemon. I've had lemons before, annoying. And Fred was gonna just bite the bullet and get his daughter a safe new car. Now, a lot of podcasters kind of question this, like, was he really buying her a car? And to them, I say like, yeah, I believe him because I know through some parents, they don't buy their kids' cars and some parents can't afford to buy their kids' cars. My parents bought my sister and me cars and when you're kidding your kid a car, if you can afford it, Fred obviously can afford it. You're obviously gonna get your kid a used car but you wanna make sure it's a safe car, especially for a young girl. And Mora had to drive around a lot for her nursing. She worked rotations through her nursing school and he was very concerned. Her car broke down all the time and so that concerned him as a father for her safety that she was, especially in a place like Massachusetts where the winters are very tumultuous. He didn't want her to get hurt in a car. So I absolutely, I don't think this is weird. I think this is very normal for a family with their socioeconomic background to be able to afford to get their kid a safe car and if you can afford to get your kid a safe car, you're going to, right? It's not, you're not buying them Mercedes. You're just getting them a reliable car that's gonna help them start their life and get to school safely. So I don't think this is weird at all but nonetheless, he picked Mora up in the morning from her dorm and they spent all day just car shopping, looking at different options. Again, they made no purchase that day but that's not shocking to me. I think you do, that's being smart and responsible with finances to be able to kind of look at what's available and try to figure out the best deal for your child. That evening, Fred took Mora and one of her friends a girl named Katie out to dinner. Again, nothing weird about that. Katie said they never mentioned the car shopping which some people find that strange, I don't. Like why are you gonna talk about buying your kid a car in front of one of her friends? That could be kind of rude, especially we don't know much about this Katie girl, like what her background was. Like you don't wanna like rub it in someone's face that your dad's getting your car. Like I don't know, I just feel like and you don't wanna have, it's three people are having at the table having a conversation. You don't wanna be rude and talk about a family thing, getting a transportation. So I don't know, maybe I'm giving them a little bit too much slack in this or Fred had too much slack in this, but I just don't see that as being odd but they didn't talk about car shopping with Katie. Anyway, Fred did take the girls to a liquor store after that where they got some liquor because they were gonna go to a dorm party that night. Now this is a little strange to me what happened next. Fred had Mora drop him off at his hotel and he let her take his brand new Toyota to a college dorm party where there was obviously going to be drinking involved. They arrived at the party around 10, 30 p.m. and then Mora left the party at 2.30 a.m. on Sunday, February 8th, early in the mornings of that Sunday. It is said that a few of the people at the party did want Mora to stay just been the night there because she had been drinking but she felt really rushed to get her car back to her father to drop it off at the hotel and on her way back, she had a car accident. Not the car accident that's gonna trigger her disappearance but like another car. So she's gonna have two car accidents in a row. Talk about trauma. And it seems that she came to what we call like a T intersection where she was driving up a road and then the road stopped and you could either turn right or turn left. And Mora just drove straight through into the guard rail. She drove so forcefully into the guard rail that it did total the brand new Toyota. Now at that point, Mora did call the police. The police came and they just wrote out an incident report. There is no evidence that they gave her a sobriety test. There was no evidence that any type of drugs or alcohol were tested on her which seems like at that time of night with an accident like that when you literally, you didn't hit another car another car didn't hit you. You literally just drove straight into a guard rail. It seems very peculiar to me that they would not, even if you were a stone called sober and just kind of fell asleep at the wheel they probably still would test you for alcohol. And if they had tested her for alcohol and she had been drinking which we do know she had been drinking not saying she was drunk, we don't know that but that she had been drinking. She probably would have been arrested that night for your DUI which she was not. The cop let her go. They towed the car to a car wreckage place and she got a ride back to her father's hotel. Now they do say, Fred did say he just woke up in the morning with her there. He doesn't remember her coming into the hotel. She didn't have a key. So that's odd too. But nonetheless, she gets back to her father's hotel around four o'clock in the morning. And we do know that at 4 49 a.m. Mora did call her boyfriend Billy again on her father's cell phone because her cell phone had died and it lost its charge and she did not have her charger with her. Billy went on to say that conversation basically was how upset Mora was about the car accident, how she was terrified to tell her dad that she had totaled his brand new Toyota and that was basically the extent of it. In the morning when Fred woke up and Mora told Fred that she had wrecked his brand new Toyota, Fred said that he wasn't that upset, that he was just really happy that Mora was safe, which I know most parents when their child is in a car accident, you are glad that they are safe, but my parents would have killed me. Like if I had totaled their brand new Toyota and I had been drinking, then I definitely, I would probably be less afraid of the police than my parents at that point. So I mean, some people find that kind of odd. I guess Fred does have to take some responsibility where he gave his daughter, his young daughter, his Toyota to drive and he knew she was going to a party where there's going to be alcohol. I don't know, but nonetheless, Fred was like, you know what? You're a lie. That's all that matters. Insurance is going to take care of it. No big deal. Let me just take you back to your dorm. So this was again on Sunday, the 8th of February. After Fred dropped Mora back at school, he proceeded to go to Connecticut where he had a job. We know that he did call Mora around 11 30 p.m. that night to confirm that she would go to the registry of motor vehicles to pick up the accident form so they could pass it over to the insurance company. They agreed that they would speak again Monday evening, February 9th to finish the paperwork over the phone. So this is where we get into the timeline of Mora's disappearance. Her computer records do show that she was looking up directions to the Berkshires in Burlington, Vermont, a little bit past midnight on Monday, February 9th. Now the Berkshires for those who are not familiar is a very popular place in New England for like a weekend getaway. It's in the Appalachian Mountains and this whole story is in the northern part of the Appalachian Mountains, not my area up in New England, close to Canada. This is a popular place, like a weekend place for people to go and so she was looking on her computer. This is the first sign we see of her looking to escape, basically. Just so much had happened to her. She was under so much stress and she was on her computer just looking at directions to the Berkshires in Burlington, Vermont. Now for the young people who happened to be listening right now, back at this time, because again, I was in college at this time too. Mora's only a few nine months older than me. We had this theme called MapQuest and some of you guys might remember it if you're around my age. Before MapQuest, we used little literal maps and that is something that I learned how to read when I was young, learned how to read a map so I can still read a map, which is great. I don't know if kids today could read an actual map. We didn't have computers. We didn't have cell phones back then. And so MapQuest was kind of like that transitional period between an actual map and GPS that we have now. And so basically what you would do is you would Google in the place that you want to go and your location and it would give you step by step directions. So you would print them out. So there was no voice telling you no surry voice saying turn here at the next light. Now you would have to like read the directions and get yourself there from what the directions were telling you. So this is what she was doing. And we know this from a few places throughout the upcoming day before she leaves. She was looking for hotels for condos to rent last minute, directions to different places to get away just for what would look like a weekend getaway. After she Googled the directions to the Berkshires in Burlington, Vermont, she obviously went to bed because we don't see any action from her on her devices until about 1pm on Monday, February 9th. At 1pm, she sends Billy again, her boyfriend, an email telling him that she loves him and that she will call him later. We also know right after that she did start calling around to a couple of vacation rentals in Burlet, New Hampshire, which was a place she was very familiar with because apparently her family used to go there when she was a child. And so she knew the area. Now we did have confirmation from some of the people she spoke to that she never rented. She was just inquiring about prices and availability. At 1.13pm, we do know that Mora calls another nursing student. We don't know why though. This was just someone she was in school with not necessarily a friend just up here. At 1.24pm, Mora emailed a work supervisor just to say that she would be out due to a death in the family. However, the family has verified that there was no such death. She also told her work supervisor that she would let them know when she was going to come back. And this was a work supervisor through school, through her nursing program. So basically like a professor that she was letting them know that she was going to be gone and due to a death in the family and she would let the professor know when she was going to come back. At 2.05pm, she called around hotels in Stowe, Vermont, inquiring again about hotel prices. At 2.18pm, she leaves her boyfriend a voicemail saying she would call him later. At 3.30pm, Mora's car, her Saturn, her beat-up car, is seen leaving campus. Now at this point, it is important to note that they had already called off classes for the rest of the day due to an incoming snowstorm. And this is pretty serious for this area. They're used to snowstorms. They're used to having to work and live in snow. So the fact that they did close classes down gives you an indication of this was going to be a pretty major storm that was due to come into the area. At 3.40pm, baked cameras show her withdrawing about $280 from her account. She was alone when she did this. We know that after she went to the bank, she did go by a liquor store where she spent $40 on booze. We also know that she did pick up the incident report that day that her father wanted her to grab for the insurance claims. Now at 4.37pm, she checked her voicemail. And this is important because due to phone towers in the area, we know that by 5pm, she was already heading north on I-91 and we know that because she checked her voicemail at 4.37pm. And then we have no official report of her until 7.27pm when the first call is made to the police regarding the accident on Route 112. And then at 7.46pm, we have the second call from the pastor by who actually spoke to Mora regarding her wreck on Route 112. And then according to the police records, police got to the site of the accident at 7.46pm. When the police got to the scene of her accident on Route 112, they found her car locked with no one there. No one was around. She was not there. When they finally got into her car, they found her suitcase where she had packed basically an over... Where she had basically packed a bag for what appeared to be, again, a weekend getaway. She had clothes, workout clothes, running clothes, makeup, her birth control, and like a little duffel bag. They also found a bunch of alcohol, some spilled wine. It was obvious that someone had been drinking in the car. But they did notice that Mora's purse that supposedly probably had her ID and her debit cards and credit cards and cell phone were gone. So initially at 7.46pm when the cops got there they felt like she had just left the car. She voluntarily left the car maybe to go find help. This area did not get cell phone reception. So at first the cops were not super concerned. It just really looked like she went for help even though there was spilled alcohol in the car. They didn't know if she had been drinking or not. This Route 112 was notorious for wrecks. It was a very sharp turn. And so this was not surprising. So it didn't necessarily mean that they were looking for like a drunk driver. This was common to happen at this particular sharp turn in this small town. All right, you guys, let's get started with Part 1.B of the whole Part 1 of this episode. I know this episode is a lot longer than my normal episodes. And we will be doing a Part 2 with my friend Jessica Jones, the Cryptid Huntress who is a remote viewer. She has worked cases with police before for missing bodies. And so I gave her a blind target. Basically, what a blind target is is I gave her coordinates. These coordinates don't have anything to do with location or anything like that. They're just coordinates to an energy of a person. And she is remote viewing. She has no idea the name of this person, what this case is. She just has the blind target. And as I'm recording this right now, pre-filming this right now, she is actually remote viewing at this very moment, getting the data, the data that she needs to do Part 2 with us so she can go over what she found regarding Mara Murray's disappearance. And I want to make something very clear. Jessica and I are probably going to move forward doing a lot of missing persons cases and cold case cases. Now with that being said, if you are following along on Gnostic TV, you know that Jessica and I with the Bell Witch, Part 2, we talked about Laws of Consent. And so for me, when it comes to divination, especially for someone like Jessica who can remote view, you have to kind of have some ethical standards about basically spying on someone who has not given their consent. So this is a very tricky subject for her and for me because both of us do have those moral standards where we don't want to invade somebody's privacy if they don't want to be found. So with that being said, there is a possibility and we're going to get into it with all the theories that Mara Murray could still be alive. With that being said, most likely she is dead. And so this makes this case a cold case. It's about a 20-year-old case now. And so I feel a little bit more comfortable and I think Jessica also feels a little bit more comfortable doing a remote viewing when there's a highly likely that she met foul play. And so if psychic abilities can help give closure to a suffering family, then that's great. So with that being said, with cases going forward, any cases that are new or someone has just gone missing, I probably won't touch. I will let the police officers do what they need to do, private investigators doing what they need to do to help find this person. But for a YouTuber, I feel like that would be crossing a boundary and so I will probably only be working with cold cases with Jessica when it comes to remote viewing. I hope that makes sense. It's just an ethical standard. Again, people do have the right. Adults in the United States and in most other countries, legal adults do have the right to disappear. And people will disappear for many different reasons. Some of them is for their own protection. And so with that being said, for somebody who has disappeared to protect themselves, it would not be good of me or Jessica or anybody to try to locate them when they don't want to be found. All right. So with that being said, I wanted to go ahead and get that out of the way. Secondly, I want to make you guys aware that when we go through these theories of what happened to her and there's a lot, there have been psychics who have worked this case. And I do have the notes from some of the big psychics that have worked this case. But I'm not going to be covering what they found in this episode. I'm going to hold off on what I know some psychic mediums have discovered until we do our episode with Jessica. So for this part, one point B, we're just going to go over the big theories out there. We're going to talk about some of the players involved in the Maramori fandom. I hate to say it that way, but she has become a celebrity. She's one of the most famous missing persons cases in the United States. And so there's a lot of, as I said, in part one point A, a lot of armchair detectives out there that have put a lot of time and effort into trying to locate this woman. Now, for me, I can understand why people are obsessed with this case. This case is literally as they said on the Missing Maramori podcast, this case is literally one mystery after another. We don't know why she was up in the White Mountains area. We don't know why she went up there. We don't know why she didn't tell anybody she was going up there. Allegedly didn't tell anybody she was going up there, which we'll get into. And then again, we don't know what happened to her. So we're going to try to unpack all of this. I also, for me especially, and I'm probably not the only one that feels this way. This is the first time I've ever talked about Maramori on my channel. But the Maramori case has haunted me for many, many, many years long before I was even on YouTube. There are just some crazy cases that you feel personally connected to. I know that sounds wild because I never knew Mara, but I think it's because there's a lot about Maramori's personality that I feel akin to. And we can get it to that in my speculations. And I understand I feel like how she was feeling. And also she was my age. She was nine months older than me. So I know this time period. I know. And so some of the reasons why she got lost might be no pun intended but lost to a younger generation. But we're going to get into like why she why she did some of the things she did which weren't peculiar to people who were her age in 2004 like myself. If that makes sense. So anyway, guys, now another thing I want to point out with this case. Normally when I do solo videos by myself I try not to look at my notes. I will look at my notes and then I will shoot what I want to say cut look again because I want it to be very clean. But with part one B I'm going to have to look back and forth at my notes. So I apologize if that's distracting because there is so much here to go through that I don't want to miss anything accidentally and I want to make sure I'm as clear as possible with all of the different theories that are out there so you guys can join into the conversation and hopefully you will be well versed in this case by the time we do the remote viewing with Jessica. So please excuse me for going back and forth when I when I film with other people I will look at notes because it's a two-way conversation but with just me I always want to make sure it's clear and precise and I hope that that doesn't bother you guys. So let's go ahead and get into it. So a brief brief recap leading up to February 9th of 2004 the day Marmari went missing. She was under a lot of stress as you guys know she had had a couple of incidents of stealing like she got kicked out of West Point because she had shop lifted from Fort Knox which is literally the most secure place in the world. And then she had stolen a credit card number from a bathroom in her dormitory at UMass where she had ordered like $79 worth of delivery food. So the things that she was stealing like at Fort Knox it was like makeup right. She's not she's not a kleptomaniac in the sense that that she was in desperate need of stuff. She had resources. She had money. She came from a very supportive family. She was in a good school. And these are the only two incidents that we know of her stealing. But the judge in December of 2003 the judge told Marmari that if she had a clean record for three months straight she's basically on a probation right that that she would not be criminally charged for identity theft and credit card theft. Okay. And so having that criminal charge on your record is a pretty big deal. Especially if you're only 21 years old and you're just starting out your life. This is something that future employers would have to know how you would have to disclose to when you are applying for jobs. So this was a pretty big deal and I do think that's why the judge was pretty lenient with her and kind of had some compassion for her. She was young. She was dumb. Not not young and dumb. Not. She was very smart. Trust me. We're going to get into that. She was very academically smart but she just was finding her way in this world and one goof up one mistake. I could see how this judge did not want that one mistake to kind of ruin her life. Especially for only $79. So the judge basically was like listen honey if you can pay this $79 back and you can stay clean for three months we are going to take this off your record. This will not be on your record. And so you know that she got lucky. She got really lucky with that judge. And I think that what resulted in her actions to leave town was the stress of knowing she had wrecked her father's car. So once again the night before she went missing February 8th she had gone to excuse me two nights before she went missing the 7th leading into the morning of the 8th she went to a dorm party with her dad's car. She probably was drinking we don't know for sure because there was no sobriety test taken at the time. I don't know why there was no sobriety test taken but she got into a car accident a pretty big car accident told her dad's car. And I think she was very stressed about this being against her with her credit card and identity that she could have gotten in more trouble and had this criminal charge on her record. And so that's kind of for me that's really important information leading up to her disappearance. So I hope that recap was the most important thing is there was a lot of stress and anxiety in her life leading up to her disappearance. Now something that I wrote in my notes as I was once again going through all the evidence in this case is yes Mar-Marie was very smart. She scored like a 14-20 on her SATs. She was very academically talented but I wrote in my notes I said super smart but what about common sense and at 21 years old you are also not going to be the brightest and you're probably going to overreact anyway. The frontal lobe of your brain isn't even done developing until you're about 25. But some of Marra's actions I kind of see this as either she was really stressed out in reacting in ways that weren't that great right before she disappeared or did she just not have street smarts or common sense. So that's something I wanted to bring to the table that it could have been that she just was not intellectually prepared for what was about to happen to her. All right but the main theories we have going into this case of what happened to her. Our police cover-up was there was this a police cover-up was the family involved? Was it a suicide? Was she trying to escape to Canada? Was it a serial killer or did locals have something to do with her disappearance? And once again I wrote in my notes here. I said I just wrote in my notes and I circled it. What was she doing on the road in the middle of the night? So once we figure out what she was doing on that road in the middle of the night about 140 miles away from UMass I think that will give us some sort of clarity as to what happened to her. But nobody fully knows why she was there. We all have our speculations. I have my speculations as to why she was there but at this point it's just speculation because we don't know for sure why she was there. All right. I also wrote in my notes this case is overwhelming because there are so many layers. Right. There's mystery upon mystery upon mystery in this case that ultimately led to her disappearance. I was this morning when I was prepping to come in and film I was saying to my boyfriend I was like this was the perfect storm in my opinion it was like the stars just aligned and people were just in this place at this exact moment and I believe that's what calls her disappearance but we'll get into that later on like I don't think any of this was planned I don't think there's some big like big plan in this I think I think that this was just circumstantial or happenstantial so let's let's continue now I want to cover the theory that she is still alive and living in Canada first. So where her car wrecked was at the base of the white mountains and she herself was very familiar with the white mountains this is all part of Appalachia she as a little girl would go with her father and her siblings a lot to this area to hike and camp according to her father Fred Murray this was like her place of solace this is what she knew this area so I I just want to put that out there so they did find something I didn't say in part one point A was they did find in her car a book about hiking trails in the white mountains so we can maybe make a educated guess that she was heading towards a particular place in New Hampshire that she was very familiar with as a child and I absolutely understand that like you know for me places if I needed to get out of the city of Atlanta really quickly and go back to somewhere that I was really comforted by and familiar with from my childhood I would go to Charleston South Carolina I would go to the beaches of Charleston that's why I spent my summers as a kid with and I loved my grandparents and you know that that's that to me that that still is a place of innocence for me and that's it too right like these places we go to when we're children are places of innocence and to be back there to kind of reset yourself to find somewhere familiar and comforting while you sort through whatever it is you need to sort through now something interesting I want to point out as well before we get into the Canada theory is Maggie Maggie furling who is an investigative a Pulitzer prize-winning investigator investigative journalist did a huge docu-series on this case and she did something that was quite clever she drove and she left the same time Mara left she did all the stops that Mara allegedly stopped at and she timed her drive with a old FBI agent was in the car with her to see how the drive would go for Mara and when she made the drive and she got to the the site of the accident from UMass all the way to the site of the last known location of Mara at the accident there they had an hour to spare so we do have missing time potentially some missing time in the timeline that was given that's been given to the public of where Mara was and what Mara was doing right so if she had gotten there like or 10 minutes earlier that could probably be easily explained away by um traffic right or making a wrong turn and turning around but the fact that it's a whole hour is very concerning as far as like okay we know our timeline might not be totally accurate now I do also want to mention something that Maggie uh speculated as well and I do respect her work and I will say I don't mean to sound like biased as far as far as being a female but the one thing that Maggie has and myself I have and maybe um some other researchers have that the males who are researching this case don't have is female concerns you know like being a female alone you're going to have a heightened sense of your surroundings then probably a male would have and that's just a natural subconscious thing and one thing Maggie pointed out when they pulled off the exit that led them to the spot where the the car accident happened was two things she said something and actually I actually quoted her on this she said that the town was very small we know that with very winding roads it's mountain land obviously they're very winding roads she said she either knew exactly where she is going or she had no idea where she was going so with the fact that she was found at the base of the white mountains which she would go to realize a child's hiking yeah she could have known this area pretty well to take this route to the white mountains but she also could have gotten off at the wrong exits again you guys this was for the young people watching this is long before GPS so she had printed out a map quest where she had to read the map quest at night in her car and make certain turns and I thought that was clever that she said either this girl knew exactly where she was going or got lost and had no idea where she was going it was it was nothing in between that you know people also speculated that she might have been driving drunk and Maggie gave her opinion which I agree with because I do also live at the base of Appalachian Mountains and because there were so many winding roads that Mara had to take that night if she were drunk she would have wrecked way before her accident site so Maggie Furling had said that she didn't think Mara was drunk I don't think Mara was drunk either and we're going to get more into that as we go deeper into these theories so I just wanted to kind of give you that first so you understand why she was at the White Mountains there was a connection there for her we don't know if that route was her connection or if she had made a mistake getting off of the wrong exit but thus let's move forward now where she was located was about 90 minutes I think I have that written down again 90 minutes from the Canadian border by car so she was very close to the Canadian border so this has lead a lot of people to speculate that Mara was running away we're going to get into this because the main person who is pushing this narrative is an investigative journalist from Cleveland named James Renner now James Renner is a very controversial investigative journalist and on the positive side he did he is with the one that's super responsible for bringing this case to the mainstream attention by utilizing things like blog social media to really push information about Mara and try to get more information about her whereabouts now James Renner did come down really heavy on the family he alluded to things like her father being really heavy hard on the girls he even alluded to and either in either in his book he did write a book about Mara Murray too and I know there was speculation either in the book or on the blog about the father potentially sexually assaulting Mara I don't believe that at all I really don't I think I don't think James Renner has a bad heart I think that he is a writer and I think that he got kind of in over his head like I think he's created a story that he wants to believe is true and I think he's created a sensational story over this girl and I think that's part of him wanting her to be alive in some weird way but we're going to get he is very convincing though but we're going to get into his theories you guys don't don't worry so James Renner also believes the family has a lot of secrets in the docu series the disappearance of Mara Murray Renner states that he believes Mara was running from the mid in her life and is still alive now Renner believes that Mara was potentially pregnant due to search results on her computer about the effects of alcohol on the baby now we do know that Mara had a very tumultuous relationship with her boyfriend Bill Roush and the family has come out and stated especially her sister that they weren't a huge fan of Bill and you know Bill has never really spoken out publicly so this is just alleged we'll just stay alleged for now because I don't want to disparage somebody who might have just been young and dumb too but with Bill Roush what we're looking at in this situation was was that Bill had many reports for many of her friends of not being super good to Mara apparently he cheated on her a lot they were in a long distance relationship and again they were very very young so this might not be an indication of who Bill is today as a forty something year old man but more might have been just the behaviors of a young kid right there were it does sound like from from what I picked up from what some of his family was saying that maybe he wasn't also might have been a little bit of I don't want to say abusive but maybe which is a little snarky mentally to Mara which could have maybe affected her in a very very negative way but needless to say they did say that Mara like thought she was going to marry him which to me isn't surprising when you're 21 years old and you've got a boyfriend I think every girl kind of things that's the man they're going to marry but if she was pregnant with Bill's baby winner believes that she did not want Bill to have any type of custody for with a child that he really believes she was trying to protect her child and that was her main motivation for going to Canada he also believed she was really like out running the men in her life like she didn't want her dad to be involved she just wanted to be able to raise this child on her own and at this point in 2004 to cross and I had a question this too like how easy really is it for somebody to cross into a new country with virtually no resources and start all over again and you know we go through borders with our passports they scan it so they know we're in the country there would be easy it would be easy to pinpoint to actually realize that someone had cross borders they can look through those files with people's passports but in 2004 on the Canadian and the United States border you didn't need a passport you just needed your driver's license so with that being said it is it is possible that someone could have crossed the border without the Canadian government really knowing it was just kind of a simple just pass them on through no big deal and she could have gotten lost within the paperwork of of the customs of of Canada now Ritter believes that she was living closer to the Quebec area Canada which I kind of go back and forth on this like the logics of this so according to Mars family she didn't know anyone in Canada so she would have no one to go to and she did not speak French so why would a 21 year old girl with less than $300 to her name travel all the way up to the French area of Canada where she doesn't speak the language and successfully start all over again I if I were in her position I thought about that like if I were 21 years old and I found that I was pregnant with a man's baby that I realized in that moment that oh holy shit like this guy is not going to be a good father he's abusive I don't want him to even know he has a child where would I go and I think I would actually stay in the United States now I might try to go to the other side of the country and pick up a new identity but I don't think I would leave the comforts of my own country given the circumstances given that you're pregnant given that you don't have much money given that you're also disconnecting from friends and family who can help you out you probably would want to stay in an area that you are a country that you at least knew right you know how to do things here if that makes sense but on the flip side if you aren't trying to hide from somebody then how clever to go to an area of the world where people will look because you don't speak French and you don't know anyone now Renner was so convinced that Mara was living in Quebec that he actually took a trip up there in 2014 with two of the guys who run the Mara Maury podcast because he had found a shop owner record owner shop owner that or clerk rather that believes she had seen Mara she said the girl came in was obviously American looked very athletic was looking for venues music venues that were small where there weren't going to be any cameras and he showed her a picture of Mara when she the last known picture like when she was 21 and she said she recognized her but when they aged they when they went back and like added years to the picture and age regressed regressed her the clerk said all of a sudden no no no this is not this is not the person I saw and so I think that kind of maybe take some of the eyewitness accounts you know and just because somebody saw a strange interaction in their shop maybe they want to they they miss remember that does happen sometimes where we miss remember because we know it was strange and then we hear about this missing girl and so all of a sudden we we connect dots that that aren't connected at all and and so I don't think that there has really truly been any eyewitness accounts of Mara in Canada the people who do claim they thought they have seen her I don't believe that's who they saw claims she did have like young a young boy with her so it you know that kind of gives some credence to Renner's theory that she was pregnant however again I really don't think she went to Canada and I really do think that Renner has just taken this story and he wants to believe it's true like it's it's way more fulfilling to believe that somebody somebody is alive and they did not meet foul play and they're living a better life because they made the decision to to disappear now and I immediately wrote this down in my notes because and it will get to it I was actually a validated because I wrote down in my notes when they were talking about the the possibility that she was pregnant I wrote in my notes wasn't she wasn't she in nursing school like wasn't she you know it seems like if you were in nursing school that I mean let me know and sound off in the comment sections if you had to study different pregnancy issues like a baby you know if I okay I'm not a doctor I'm not a nurse but I know that you should not drink when you're pregnant and if I was socially drinking and didn't know I was pregnant and then found out I was pregnant I might go and Google it like oops just because I felt bad and I wanted to see if I had done any harm to the baby but but in reality like a lot of people there are a lot of women that did not know they were pregnant in the first stages and we're still continuing to drink and once they found out they were pregnant they stopped drinking and it was no harm no foul the baby's fine so I don't really see this as necessary necessarily pointing to her being pregnant I see this more as her just doing her homework for nursing school you know like really as as a doctor or a nurse really understanding if you are a nurse in in a delivery room and you're you're helping bring a baby into the world whose parents is an alcoholic who did drink consistently throughout the pregnancy I think that part of your your job would be to understand what then the immediate help help the implications would be on the baby so that as a nurse you can then help service the baby and getting the baby healthy if that makes sense so I wrote my nose I was like I she was a nurse like I would never jump to that conclusion right away that she was pregnant because again she was a fucking nurse she was going to nursing like me and was googling that then maybe there's some more there's there's a little bit more merit to to the speculation but I I just really think that had a lot to do with her her education we also know that amongst her items found in her car and her duffel bag were birth control pills and four of these birth control pills were missing so this would tell us that most likely she was still taking her birth control we also know that Bill Roush her boyfriend was stationed in Oklahoma about 1700 miles away so that kind of knocks him out first of all as a suspect in her disappearance he was not there he could not have been there but I also wondered and I don't want to pry too much into somebody's sex life but what's the reality of when was the last time we saw him right if this is if Renner's theory is that she was pregnant with his baby could we not go back and track when the last time was they were together because if it had been like a few months since they had been together then there's no way she would have been pregnant with his baby because she would have already been showing at that time right this is if she was pregnant this is something she would have just found out right she was not showing she would have just found this out we saw no evidence anywhere of a birth control or a pregnancy test no evidence of her checking her blood nothing like that any you ladies know like whenever you find out your pregnant you find out your pregnant because you run a test in the beginning there was none of that in the bathrooms at the dormitories nothing nothing and we also do know that right before she disappeared she was still drinking so if she cared enough if she were pregnant if Renner was correct and she was pregnant and she cared enough to google the side effects of drinking while pregnant then she obviously cared enough about potential harm that she was causing her unborn child and she probably would not have gone to that party a couple nights before she vanished where she was definitely that that party was her goodbye party but still I just don't even if it was her goodbye party even if she were pregnant she was going to have one last hurrah with her with her friends let's look at this logically maybe if this were like 1994 or 1984 and her friends all had this secret they were keeping the secret for her because they felt like her life was in danger it would have been easier to keep because that if it was 1994 before the the invent of of social media the case would have just become a cold case and people it probably would have never gotten the media coverage that this case got with it happening in 2004 the same week that Facebook was launched and I just don't think that that many people could have kept this secret for 20 years I just don't think so I think you know a good intention that they wanted to keep her safe I think somebody would have said something at some point to somebody else and we would know for sure but there has been nothing no one none of her friends have mentioned anything about any knowledge of her whereabouts now let's kind of talk a little bit about the police cover-up and in the docu-series the the disappearance of Mar-Marie they go really in-depth into into the police and they can you keep going back like is this just a podunk small town where the police are just not used to this level of scrutiny and they're not used to this and they just fucked up could that be it or are they literally hiding information are they trying to protect their own now this theory of them trying to protect their own comes down to someone called witness A and this woman has kept her identity secret because she does not want the police to know who she is we know from the police transcripts that the police got there at 7 46 p.m. but she claims that she saw a police car head to head with Mara's car at 737 when she was driving down the road going home from work now the thing about her testimony is that it has maintained the same for 20 years she claims she saw another police officer there before talking to Mara tomorrow before the official timeline came out and I go back and forth on this could it be that I do believe she saw something but I don't know if she was correct on the time they seem to in the docu series they seem to like come up with a logical explanation as to why the police officer was there early and really it kind of was a dead end like nothing happened she the police are not hiding really hiding anything the police have admitted that they did not handle this case very well they have admitted that and you have to also remember that human beings are human beings and police are human beings and not every person we I know that many people are skeptical of law enforcement I understand that but we have to also remember that every within every career there are good guys and there are bad guys and there are good cops and there are bad cops and I believe that most people in this world are actually good I do believe that I do believe most people want to do the right thing and would never really hurt anybody you know intentionally and so I think that they're apologetic that they just did not do enough the night that she went missing and I I feel like we have to give them some grace because when they got to the wreck it was I mean the car was pretty banged up but it wasn't like a bad wreck right and she had literally just kind of tailspin on on ice you know it was it was a accident that can happen to anybody it's it's not something immediately a suspect of drunk driving even though there was alcohol in the car and there was alcohol spilled in the car which makes people believe she was drinking again I think that it just spilled because of the impact and they kind of believe that there's a possibility she ran into the woods to hide in the cop so that she could sober up so she would not get a DUI and then as we know now that would then sacked against her with her identity that charges but the cops believe that she had just kind of walked off voluntarily because her purse was gone her cell phone was gone the car was locked so obviously she was trying to keep her belongings safe she locked it herself and they also thought maybe she had walked down the road to try to find a neighbor or find a reception for her phone it was not that big of a deal to them in the moment now one of the EMTs did notice a rag in one of the cylinders and he believed that that rag was potentially put there by someone so she would spin out and in the docu series with Maggie furling they actually did test this theory because he said the EMT so that was very odd that he'd never seen that before and he kind of believed that somebody had put that there intentionally so she would spin out but when they tested it they they brought in a Saturn specialist a person who specializes in the Saturn cars and he got a 1996 Saturn the same kind of car that and he made the car he damaged the car you know because Morris car was as we stated was not in good shape and he stuck a rag in one of the cylinders and he he rubbed the car up to about this the speed she was going which they believed was about 25 miles per hour and then they speeded they hit the gas a little bit more and it spat the rag out showing that the rag would have eventually come out of the cylinder it was not the cause of the accident even though it was very strange well Fred Murray came back and said that she must have put the rag in the cylinder because of him Mars car was smoking like it was it was not a safe car to be driving and he had he told Marra he said many times he told Marra do not drive your car unless it's absolutely necessary for you to drive your car do not drive your car and he told her that because it was smoking so badly that the cops would probably pull her over and if she absolutely had to drive her car just to put a rag in the cylinder so that the smoke would not come out now this was probably Fred thinking like if she had to run to the grocery store quickly or something minor with an amherst where she wasn't going to be driving miles and miles and miles away which this is another clue to me that this plan this trip that she this last minute trip she went on was indeed last minute because she knew her car was not reliable and that would have been very stressful to be in a I've been in that situation with a car that's not reliable and having to drive a long distance and kind of crossing my fingers and constantly praying that my car is going to make it you know but for me that the times that I've had to do that with a beat up car it was necessary it was for work or for something that I I was responsible for so for her to decide last minute to go up to possibly the White Mountains there was again a book in her car on the White Mountains last minute in a car that was not reliable is suspicious right and does that go back to my theory that maybe she just did not have common sense maybe this was just an overreaction to anxiety and so she wasn't thinking clearly I don't know but we can now eliminate this idea that somebody else put the rag in the cylinder because we know that Fred has said no I told her to do that so she wouldn't she wouldn't draw attention to herself from the police now the worries have also been very critical of the New Hampshire police they have filed lawsuits against the New Hampshire police because New Hampshire police will not release information to them and I can definitely see both sides of this I as a parent as is for her siblings this has been going on 20 years now I cannot imagine the trauma that they're all living in because they don't know what happened to her they still have no idea where she is and so I think that they were hoping the police could work with them and help give them at least some information so they had a better idea of what happened to her but the police have been holding back a lot of evidence especially forensic evidence even though this is technically a cold case that does seem like they still do have people actively looking into other clues and I do get this like I do understand why the again I understand both sides of this the police we know sometimes evidence and not release it to the public or the family because they're trying to hone in on a suspect and if the suspect says something that they never released to the public then that's a better indication that that they have there they have their guide right if she was murdered that they found their person so I do understand why the police are holding back on some of this evidence but again I understand the family's frustrations too I've been listen I've had to deal with the police with my stalker and I I try to be very patient with the police because I know that they also have a lot of red tape that they have to get through they have to dot all their eyes and cross all their T's and so sometimes the wills of justice will run slowly I do believe that the cops were irresponsible and I think that was because human nature they just thought the girl had like walked off like they they didn't realize that something nefarious might have happened they thought she was going to be coming back right so I understand what they didn't do was there of a search that night it was also pitch black dark outside in the mountains in a small town in the snow right so there's a lot of limitations they had with the elements of nature anyway so so I I think it's very admirable that they have basically put their hands up and said we fucked up we could have done more that night we just didn't I think that's admirable that they have admitted to that I think that this is just a cluster I don't in my opinion I know people in the comment section the police cover up but I don't think it is I just don't I just think it's just an unfortunate situation and I hopefully that the police in this area learned some lessons from this this situation and I do believe the cops that have come forward to apologize I think they genuinely feel bad they carry that guilt they didn't do more that night because they simply did not realize she was actually a missing person they thought she just voluntarily left the scene of the crime there was no crime though it was just a car accident so the other another theory we have is suicide now in the opening part 1a we talked about how in the timeline that there was a phone call Mara made at 1 13 p.m. and that we didn't know why she made this phone call to a fellow nursing student well now I can tell you guys that nursing student has been located and she has been interviewed her name is Erin O'Neil and basically she said that Mara called her very upset it was telling her that sometimes they would car sometimes Mara would hitch rides with her to their because her car again her car was not reliable so sometimes Mara would hitch rides with Erin to the hospital for their rotations and for their school as nursing students and so she had basically called Erin to tell her that she was going to be she had a family emergency which is what she told her professor in that email but there was a death of the family and that she wasn't going to be in town for a while and Erin said she was upset on the phone like she was had been crying and Erin said she told her it was her sister something was going on with her sister and so she had told Erin as well that she had obviously borrowed some clothes for Erin and she wanted to return the clothes to Erin before she went quote-unquote home for the family emergency and Erin had said don't worry about it it's cool just you know I can get them when you get back go take care of your family but Laura was so insistent upon bringing the clothes back to Erin that she left that at Erin's door in a bag in her dorm so this definitely tells me that Laura knew she was going to be away for a lot longer than she was letting on again she had told her professor in the in the email that she would let the professor know when she was going to come back so she was it does seem like she was trying to like tidy up some loose ends before she went away now Laura did something I did not tell you guys in one point a held this back for this reason because this adds another layer to the mystery more did pack up her dorm room so not only did she pack up a duffel bag for a little trip but she boxed up her dorm room things that you do at the end of the year or when you're leaving the dorm she had put all of her seven boxes she had taken down every poster and picture off the wall she had sealed them all up so it's almost like she knew people are going to come and look and look for her in the room and it was going to make it easy for them just to get her stuff out like she did them a favor she did her family a favor because she boxed everything up so they could just move the boxes into the U-Haul now could that be an indication that she was planning on committing suicide or that she was planning on running off to Canada yes however however my friends at three thirty four a.m. on Monday morning early morning day morning Laura did submit through email her homework her nursing homework she emailed it in so if Laura was not planning on ever coming back she was not planning on returning to school ever i.e. she was going to go kill herself or go up to Canada then why would she turn her homework in it's not like it's a simple homework either it's it's medicine it's a complicated project to turn in and she took time on it and she turned it in why if she wasn't coming back if she wasn't planning on coming back why did she turn her homework in i.e. she was absolutely planning on coming back i.e. she was just planning on taking some time possibly even writing out the three months that's my idea that she was going to try to live out the three months so that she would not have that's credit card theft and identity theft on her record and she just needed to be away from alcohol and socializing in order to write out that time that's just my my opinion though because again why else would you turn your homework in if you're that depressed and you're about to commit suicide the last thing you're thinking about is your nursing school homework likewise if you are about to make the biggest escape of your life and run across the border into another country and start a new life the last thing on your mind is your nursing school homework just common sense here okay so for me that really eliminates suicide now in the beginning I told you guys to remember that she was a hardcore runner and therefore had was very physically fit and had a bigger capacity to take in oxygen so one of the theories to is that mora was hiding from the cops and ran up into the mountains and she could have easily gotten through the mountains because of her physical abilities but that she got lost and nature took her out however that night when the cops were looking around they saw no footprints in the snow okay they have also extensively brought in searchers people to search within a certain radius around the car that's reasonable for someone to run or walk and they have found no signs of any human remains they brought in cadaver dogs nothing and they've done this thoroughly a few times and so for me I think it's safe to say she did not run into the woods that night now what they did pick up on with a trace dog y'all dogs are fucking brilliant I love dogs and I watched the I rewatched the docu series with the where they showed the dogs and how well dogs are dogs are reliable like they can smell better than almost any animal and they freaking are amazing so they had a cadaver dog come in and they had a a a trace dog come in so one dog was working with the scent of an alive human and one dog was looking for the scent of a dead human a dead body the dogs looking for a dead body did not find anything however the dogs that were tracing her since followed her scent from her car a little ways down the road and then her scent just stops so this can safely tell us that Mara got into somebody else's car easy peasy but this is where it gets interesting and this is why I said in the beginning this is like the stars aligned perfectly for this to happen I don't think that Mara I think she planned this trip last minute I think after the ordeal with wrecking her father's car because we see her father bringing her back to her dorm and then a little after midnight that the early that morning of February 9th she's looking at directions to the Berkshires and she's looking at places that are she's looking she's like I got to get out of here like I'm going to get myself into trouble I got to get out of here and so for her this was really important because she did not want that credit card identity theft on her record and so this is kind of getting into my speculation and a lot of the locals also believe this and it does seem that most people actually also agree with this this is kind of probably what happened to her the first 911 call was placed by Bay Westman one of the neighbors at 7.27 p.m. that night at 7.30 p.m. Butch Atwood who was another neighbor that spoke to Mara who was a school bus driver saw Mara standing on the side of the road pulled the bus over and said are you okay? Can I call the police for you? And she pleaded with him not to call the police and said that she had called AAA. At that point Butch knew that she was lying because he knew there was no cell reception there so Butch drove his bus Butch drove his bus to his house parked the bus it is said that he sat in the bus for a couple minutes just to fill out the rest of his paperwork for the day went inside and called the police between 7.40 and 7.43 with that timeline between 7.30 and 7.43 it does seem like that's the appropriate amount of time I know people have speculated whether Butch had anything to do with her disappearance but most people have said no it's just not it fits the timeline fits and unfortunately Butch did pass away about a few years after this happened so we can't talk to Butch anymore we know that the official police record say the cop showed up at 7.46 so presumably three minutes after Butch called the second 911 called the police showed up and she was not there now there was also neighbors so you have the road you have the westman's across the street they Butch at what was down the street and then there was another neighbor the Marats right here all of them could see what was going on with the car accident through their windows okay so they could all see Mara there you know it's a small town it's really dark except the blinking of the hazard light so they all were kind of just watching like you know rubber-necking watching what was going on so for Mara to disappear for her to it would have been within a seven minute window for her to quickly hop in the car when all three of these neighbors backs were turned to the window would only have realistically happened within a 15 to 20 second window now they ask the family if Mara would have accepted help from a stranger the family said yeah absolutely she would have you know she was raised in a small town she was a good girl she would have accepted help from a stranger so why did she not accept help from Butch at Wood well my theory this is my theory as to why she did not accept help from Butch at Wood is because she saw him as a threat not not that he was a threat but he wanted to call the police and she saw him as probably being a grown-up he was a lot older than her she was a grown-up too she was 21 but she's still kind of a kid right and so I think she hesitated and she did not want his help because she felt like he was going to get her in trouble but what if a car pulled up she's walking from what the dog picked up she obviously turned around and started walking down the streets probably to get cell phone reception to probably call a friend and a car must have pulled up passing by and picked her up now the neighbor said there were a few cars that were passing by it's Route 112 going in and out of work very possible and for her to agree to get into the car with somebody she had to inherently trust them so was it somebody a boy a man that was closer to her age that she felt like maybe would understand the predicament she was in we do know that she went back to her car and grabbed some liquor so maybe she thought okay well if they're going to take me to their house and let me call my friend then I'll just give them some of my alcohol to say thank you we also have speculation that she knew this person or at least was acquainted with this person because they're going to pull their like butch at what did it's going to take a couple of minutes to talk hey how you doing my name's such and such what's your name do you need some help but to only have a 15 to 20 second window to get in the car that would have meant that she already knew who this person was now James Renner with his with her great escape to Canada did believe she was driving in tandem with someone which I don't think many people believe that she escaped to Canada but he does bring a good up a good point with the tandem driving we know from what Maggie furling discovered that there is an hour missing is it possible that Morris stopped at a restaurant to convenient store to get some food and happened to meet chatted quickly with the guy from the area and I say guy because I do believe my mar was five seven so she was pretty tall for a girl and she was athletic I I don't she get out what probably outrun I think of a man I definitely believe a man had something to do with this for sure she might have met a man and just briefly maybe flirted a little bit and then got back in the car and then when he saw her rack he took his opportunity and picked her up there is a snow resort ski resorts a little bit further down route 112 and there were a couple of boys that were working at that ski resort they were due to come in that night for a shift and they never showed up so that is a possibility that they picked her up and something happened we do have the A frame house which there has been blood found the A framed house is off of a road off of about a mile away from the car accidents they have found human blood in the closets of the A framed house and they have tried to test it they cannot they found two different DNA sets one being a man and one is identifiable so they can't rule it out it can be a woman and but it's definitely human blood we also know that the brother of the person who owned the A frame house did go to the police and did tell the police he suspected that his brother had something to do with this and he found a knife in the glove compartment of his brother's car that had what appeared to be human blood on it and he did turn it into the police with that being said we don't know the police will not disclose what was what the remains were on the knife it could have been an animal but they won't let us know that so let's go with my theory and this we're going to end with my theory this is what I think happened Mara was high anxiety she was in a very stressful situation she had probably a lot of guilt from being kicked out of West Point she was displaying signs of stress through and potential eating disorder I don't think that this had anything to do with her family you know trauma is complicated stress is complicated it could have been coming from something completely different I think she had a really good relationship with her family they seem to be very close and supportive family I think that's because the judge had given her a break and said if you can remain clean for three months then this will be taken off your record I think after the wreck that she had and her father's Toyota I think it pushed her over the edge and I think she decided that in order to to stay on the straight and narrow it was a good idea in that moment of just to get out of school for a few months and to let the time run out where she was going to be isolated I think she thought she only had less than $300 I mean that was a lot more back in 2004 but obviously she knew the area so she might have thought maybe I could get a part-time job for a couple of months you know camp out if I need to just to kind of keep myself isolated until the time runs out so that I can return back to school and I'll have a clean record I think that she obviously got into the accident and I think because she did have alcohol in her car I don't think she was drinking but I think she panicked I think she panicked because she had just been in a wreck literally a couple nights before and I think that she was petrified that the cops were going to put all of this on her record and she would have this criminal charge on her record and so I think that she decided she grabbed her purse after she talked to Butch at what I think she grabbed her purse and her cell phone and decided that she was just going to go try to find a place where there was reception and potentially call a friend to come get her that's what I think she was going to do I don't think she was running from a sobriety test I think she was just trying to get help from someone she trusted I think before she wrecked I think that she did pull over somewhere to get food and maybe there was a guy that thought she was cute and when he passed her wreck and saw her walking down the road thought oh here's my opportunity and picked her up now some people do believe this could be the working of a serial killer I don't know I mostly believe this might have been a crime of passion I think he maybe brought her back to his house where he was like it's cool it's fine just chill here we'll have some drinks call your friends and maybe he tried to make some advances on her which she did not want and maybe it got out of hand and he accidentally killed her and I don't know what he did with the body there's no telling it's Appalachia her body may never be found but that's what I think happened I think that it was just a terrible terrible set of circumstances I don't believe that her disappearance has anything to do with what was going on in her personal life but however I think that she was in the area she was in because of what was going so that the things happening in her personal life put her in on route 12 that night where she was trying to get away but I don't think any of the things that she had done is what resulted in her disappearance if that makes sense alright you guys so I keep wanting to say more about what I know from what other psychics have picked up but I'm going to hold off on that when we do our remote viewing with Jessica after I hear what she has to say again just to remind you guys she has a blind target she does not know anything about this case she's going to see what she gets with the blind target and I will be going through my notes again with her and talking through some of what she's found see if we can connect some dots if you do know anything about the disappearance of Marmarie please call the New Hampshire State Police anything at all that you might think you know you never know it could be the one tip that they need to hopefully find her body and bring this family closure with that being said stay tuned for part two where we do the remote viewing of Marmarie