 Big shit, big shit, big shit, it's a unique hustle nigga big shit, big shit, big shit, big shit. And who did it? Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique hustle. It's your boy, E-C-E-O. And no money modes by the way, we crazy cunts in every damn day. Hey, man, what's going on, man? Hey, man, we got a special guest today, man. This brother right here don't need no introduction, man. He been everywhere doing everything here lately. I don't know where he come from, like he just come out of nowhere to be honest with you, man. I did. Man, my boy, hey, my boy shot at low juniors in the building, man. Man, what's happening, man? It's a pleasure to be here. I thank y'all for having me. Hey, man, boy, when I look at it, I just think about your dad. That ain't gonna lie, man. That's the first thing you said. I ain't never seen him in my life when you shot at low juniors. I knew it. He probably get that a lot, man. So, man, what's up, man? I want to say you from Bowen Home, but is that correct? Right. Because I really didn't know if you grew up over there. But just give me a rundown on who you are and kind of how it all began. Oh, like how it all began with me. Would you? No, no. Would you just coming up as a kid? Oh, well. Oh, we go all the way back. Okay. All the way back. You know, all right, man. Shot at low juniors, AKA Harlow Walker, you know. My dad is who he is. Shot at low Bankhead, Bowen Homes, you know, all that. And that's me, Bankhead, Bowen Homes. I moved to the south side of Atlanta when I was like, let's say 12, 13. That's old national college park area. Just growing up like with a father and a mom like that, because they really both hustled. You know, my mom used to kind of work for that. Okay. So, just, just being around that, you know, just being with my dad and he hustled in, you know, just in Bowen Homes, you know, they had it trucked out all day. Like all day long, man. We had the three shifts, you know, it was three, eight hour shifts. So it was people, you know, it was a different set and they just used to come through all day. And sometimes we didn't even get to the kids. We there and we don't even get to go home. So, you know, it's been there three, four, five in the morning. None of them are falling asleep. Man, like, hey, bro, when we going home? Man, on that we here for the night. Just, you know, sound like them too. The crazy part is the age you're saying that they were going down at. And I know because I used to hustle too. So I get it. So you were actually in the midst like you've seen, you've seen the drugs. Oh, yeah. You've seen what was popping. The money counter. The money counter. You knew that sound. Yeah, I was trying to tell you. It was crazy. You know, so when you've seen it first, you felt like it, you know, because I heard him say something one time, he said, I was getting so much money. He said, I would get it. I thought everybody would get it. Like, he would say, I get 100,000 at a time. He said, I thought everybody was doing it because I was doing it. I felt that when he said it. So you've seen all of this going on. I'm seeing it, man. As a kid, you know, like around the ages, four, five, six and seven and stuff like that. So I'm seeing it. But you know, as a kid, you don't really know what's going on. But you've seen it. But you don't know. You think it's normal. Yeah. So you think this is normal, but it's really not. And so you've seen all the cause and everything in the cause around the women. I like, you know, I've been in the hood, like playing football, like with the neighborhood kids and stuff. And then, you know, I see my dad coming around the corner running. And then after that, I see the police coming around the corner too. So, but I seen him on his phone and it was later came outside. So, so he was running and she came outside and he ran to her house. So when the police came around the corner, she was like, he ran that way. But he really ran in the house. So he had to call her. I was like, look at this. I'm like, well, this is like a movie. Yeah. Yeah. Like, no, for real. Like, man, I've seen a lot. Drive-by's. I don't see people get shot. Kill. Like James at the door. Like all type of stuff. Like, man, I don't see it at all. So what got you into sports? Cause you ended up playing football early on. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So my mom, she used to hustle. You know, too. But, um, you know, and I was always good at football. And, you know, I was always just, you know, just around the neighborhood playing football, basketball, basketball. When I was young, so I used to suck. But on football, I was the truth. You the dog. Oh, yeah. So I was the truth. So, you know, um, my mom had met this guy and, um, and, um, he made like kind of helped her change her life and she turned over to God. And, you know, and I see how she was struggling, you know, like sometimes we really have food or this or that or whatever the catchment be. So I told her, I say, mom, I'm going to the league. You know what I mean? I'm gonna take care of you. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, that was just my passion and my dream at the time. So, you know, I just stayed focused with it. And, you know, um, high school, college, um, I was, I actually was talking to, um, Georgia State and Sam Houston and stuff. But my senior year. Excuse me. My senior year. I hurt my arm back. So, you know, and people were like, you know, I just want to see if you can still play. So I went to, um, a junior college in Cali. But then when I came back for Thanksgiving break, that was 2012. That's when I got in trouble and I didn't go back. So, and the crazy part is how was it like when you growing up and you went to playing football and everybody knew you was, you was shorted low sun. Did that open doors for you? Or did that cause issues for you? Um, meaning like I ain't showing this nigga no favoritism cause he started low sun. See, but that was actually good though. Like my, my coaches and stuff, you know, they was hard on me just like they were harder than everybody else kid. Because, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm out here. So they gonna push me to be great and have that mindset, you know, just like everybody else, you know, so I didn't get no favoritism. It was like sometimes like when, like when I was playing bad and stuff and they'll take me out of the game and my dad and my mom at the game. I'm like, coach, we need to put him in the game. He was like, I don't care cause your dad up there. I don't care about him being shorted low. Shit. You finna sit right here. Wow. And I, and it really like, damn, shit hurt me. So I look bad and my dad watching. He like, what's going on? Like, you done got yourself in the jam. Like, yeah. So, so you know, but like you got stuff like that, you know, but. That builds, that builds integrity and ethics too, man. And that made me want to work harder, get better, you know, cause I wanted my parents to see me do good and you know, sign and stuff. So it that made me focus more too. What about your siblings, man? Did any one of the other ones play football? No, I only got one older brother. Okay. Yeah. So, you know, he did, he do what he do. He had been doing music since he was 13 and everything, you know, but I don't know if he really ever took it. Serious? Serious, yeah. When I see you, you know, I just, I just know that the things that God got prepared for you, bro, ain't no telling where it's going. You know what I'm saying? And I'm excited about it. What did you think about it? Money Moses? I want to know what was the best thing that you got from your daddy when he was selling drugs that made you think positive. I'm not going to do this. What was the best thing that came to your mind? I'm not going to do this. I mean, because as a kid, you know, you know, you know what's good and what's bad, but you might don't know what's going on, but you know what is good and what's bad. So, like, I seen him getting chased by the police. I seen him shooting at people. I said, I don't see people get shot and die. I was like, man, you know, I don't want to live like this. I don't want to be a part of that. Yeah. You know, I want to be different. You know what I mean? You know, I want to help people and I want to just be good and have somebody proud of me. You know, and in that aspect, not saying that people wasn't proud of my dad, but you know, he was doing what he was doing, but he was doing it for a good reason. Yeah. Like, so he took care of the neighborhood. Like, like he paying the whole hood rent, like taking care of everybody. You know what I mean? So he was doing what he was doing, but it was for good, though. Yeah. But you don't... It ain't good in the other folks' eyes. Right. No, it ain't. It ain't. It's always a good thing for us, because we see it, but it's like... How they look at it, it's like you're doing too much. You taking care of the hood. It's like, they don't want that to see. They don't want to see you do good in the hood. So they're going to make a way for you to be... I agree with that. They're going to make a way for you to be in the hood. I see the D4L change, man. I remember back when I didn't even know who Charlotte Lowe was. I really... I just seen them niggas just doing the dance and you know, I ain't seen Charlotte Lowe and none of that. I'm being real. Like, he was on the backside when that was going on. Right. And I was like, dang, man. He was in jail then. Well... Was he in jail? Prison then. He was in prison then. But he still... He started it. Right. That's crazy. How did that... Okay, how did that start out? And I don't know the history of it, but how did that... From your perspective, how did it... You say he was in jail then, how did they even get that off the ground and then how did he orchestrate that while he was locked up? Well, basically, my dad was already a millionaire before he even started rapping or doing anything. He's just out of street money. My dad said that he's seen his first million by the time I think he was 17? Yeah. 18? So, he was already... Kingpin already. So, he was just looking for ways to invest his money to help his people. And that's when he started the studio, the D4L studio. And he was investing his money into his group. Stuntman, Fable, Front Street, all of those people that you've seen. So, basically, they was already working and stuff, but he had got locked up. Jammed up, yeah. Right. So, then when that happened, they were just still doing the thing or whatever. So, they may... laugh at Taffy and they had played it for him over the phone. And then, dad was like, nah, I don't know about that one. But, you know, they end up being one of the biggest songs, if not the biggest song. It was big, man. It changed culture in a lot of ways, bro. So, how old were you then? You was young. Yeah. I was still staying on the west side when that song came out. So, I was probably around like 10 or 11. 11. Yeah. Yeah, because that was around like the 2003-2004 era. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's crazy, man. So, okay. So, you now... I'm fast-forwarding a little bit, but... Well, during that era, when he first came out and then that got going, he started doing his own solo deal. And when he started doing his solo deal, him and T.I. ended up having issues about was he from born home. Did you even understand what was going on in that whole thing? I mean, from my understanding, from what I know, basically, dad asked T.I. to get on one of his songs or whatever on the door. Yeah, yeah. He said that, yeah. So, you know, dad, you know, T.I. was always claiming Bankhead, but, you know, nobody never said nothing or my dad, and them ain't never say nothing because they felt like, you know, it felt good for somebody to be claiming they side of the town. So, you claiming Bankhead and you doing all this and all that, but then, you know, when the man of Bankhead asked you for something, you know, you pull the, you know, move on that, but he didn't. So, he was just like, you know, this and that, like now he don't want to do whatever it can be. So, so dad was like, yeah, so how the hell you going, you know, just claiming Bankhead and you know, and first off, we ain't never heard of you, or seen you. Yeah. No, well. Yeah. So, but then you're gonna do that. And from here, we would just, then you claim it, but T.I. was using my dad cars and stuff in his video. Correct. I heard him say that. I heard the story, but it's just crazy because I just, you was, at that time, you would have been about 13. Mm-hmm. You about 13 then because this one is balling down. Mm-hmm. So, during that time also, if I remember correctly, right after that Gucci come on the scene, did you ever meet Gucci with your dad during that time when you was hanging out? Yeah. Yeah. That would have had to be dope. Oh yeah, man, so I met Gucci, man, Gucci funny. Hold on, which Gucci man? He met the old Gucci man. The first Gucci. Yeah, the first Gucci, man, the big Gucci. So what's the difference? Well, big Gucci was real. I know him, you know, but I haven't answered the question. Both are different. So you actually met him, like. Well, I haven't got to meet Gucci. I don't know this Gucci, but I knew Gucci from back then because him and my dad used to always kicking and stuff. And they was like this. But, so it was like me, my dad and Gucci, we went to Six Flags, me, that's dope. My dad and his partners, Gucci and his partners and stuff. And that's when Gucci was talking to Buffy the Body. Okay. So, I think I was like 13, 14 years. So we walked in. You were managed in. You seen Buffy the Body, you like, yeah, man. So, man, we waiting in line and Gucci told me to slap her butt. I knew it. So, I was like, nah, man, I didn't do that. But you know, I'm like, I'm 13, 14. Oh yeah. I want to slap it, but I don't know. Yeah. So, so when he made me do it, but see, see what the thing is, like when I said, no, man, what's up with this thing, right? That sounds like him too, boy. So, so they were like, man, you know, man, he kind of shy, man, you know, he's still young. He was like 13 shy. Yeah. So, so, so Gucci let me walk in front of him. So, now I'm behind Buffy the Body. You see all that, man. So, he pushed me on her. So, man, I was trying to stop her from falling and stuff like that, but the, the booty, it hit you in the chest. Yeah. So, I'm like, it was crazy. So, man, Gucci. What Gucci say? He laughing. Gucci, laughing, daddy laughing. I want to remember that. Man, oh no, so I ain't gonna, but I'm talking about it. Oh yeah, Gucci remember that? Man, they just remember what's going on. They crazy. I often say, boy, you remember that, you know what I'm talking about. I would remember it too. Yeah. Yeah, man, that's crazy, man. Cause those are the stories, man. I have so many people that, cause, cause, Pimp is no longer here and his, his, people that, you know, been with him. I hear all these stories, man, just dope. I wish I'd have got the meat shawty. I listen to every, every song, everything he was doing, I was on it, man. I liked, you know what I mean? You could tell the ones who really wasn't, who really wasn't getting it like that, but acting like they were getting it too. Cause they, they give fake dope prices and all that. You know what I'm saying? He was more about just the money and talking about, you know, the good time that was going on and I liked that about it. You know, I appreciate it. Yes, man. Well, let's talk about, about you, man. Is that brick baby? Yes. What's up with that, and how was it going good? Maybe. You know, you know, you live withophytics porque you were in started, and you know, the growth rate of, the growth rate of, of, when you know,で When the growth rate, when the growth rate of the food rate, you know, the money, not going to be in funding dept, really. So the plan. You know, you come up, the idea of a land of gonna be recreated down a long period of time that will allow you to bring riches inconsistently. Hey. And you know, and I feel like this is for my hustlers, people who want somebody's life, who's chasing goals, who's chasing dreams. You know, and I feel like that should be everybody. So everybody can be a Brit, baby. Wow, that's dope, man. I'm gonna, hey man, I want that merch in the store, man. I'm gonna, I need a wholesale order. Stop playing, you see where we at. I got you. Give me a wholesale order then. I'm gonna put the word out, nigga. Dallas Texas. How you doing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, man. Thank you so much for coming to Dallas, man. I'm loving the movement, man. So when you say you did some time, how long was you locked up, man? Three years. Three years, three years. And what did you get out of being locked up with that time that you had to, you know, sit down? Basically, you know, as being a kid, you know, and like, I ain't never gonna forget, like I was riding in the car, it was me, my mom, and the dude that she talked to and my sister. And I seen the blue bus, you know, the little bus that was riding past whatever. And I used to always think like, what did they do to get locked up? Like, what are they doing? You know, like, why go out and be bad? But, you know, getting older and you understanding that me actually going to jail and going to prison, that just allowed me to see like, everybody in there ain't bad, you know, everybody. Some people just be put in bad situations, lifestyles, circumstances. Some people just are a part of the environment and stuff happens. Some people just make bad decisions, right? So, that just allowed me just to, you know, just sit back and it like, it allowed me to grow like, like my mindset, my thought process on people who went into jail and went into prison and just, it just allowed me to be more, let me find a word, let me find a word. I'll say, it allowed me to be more, you know, should of wear, pay, you know, just pay or should of attention more, you know, how to read people. And it just taught me how to be, you know, what's the word? How to be, you know, just by myself, you know, just like. Isolated, right, isolated, like not to, you know, be so big on needing people. Cause, you know, when you go down, you go to jail or you go to prison, you really see who has your back or who gonna make time for you or who gonna reach out or who just gonna talk to you. It's not even about the money. Who just gonna be there to talk, keep you uplifted and keep you going. And that was a lesson that my mom had taught me. She was like, sometimes you gotta learn how to be by yourself, you know, you can't depend on people all the time, you know. So sometimes when stuff get hard, you gonna have to figure it out on your own, you know. Everybody ain't gonna always be there and everybody ain't gonna always wanna help you. And if they do, sometimes it's not all the way real. Yeah, I get it. So she's like, you know, you gotta learn how to be, you know, just you sometimes. So I know when you was, when you was, did you have something you wanted to say? I go. Go ahead. I can tell you, you actually sit down and listen and think about everything that you did. Cause like you actually seeing what you did wrong, what you did right, what not to do and not to do wrong. Like you actually see it. Like other people don't see it. They can get out, so I'm gonna go do this and do this again. Like you actually see it, you sit down and you actually sit down and broke it down to where what you, what you was actually thinking. Like, damn, I'm in GIC, everybody ain't this, everybody ain't that. It's like, you see a different side of everybody. It's like, you actually, the most smartest people are in jail. Oh man. The most smartest people are in jail. The smartest people be it. You understand, you'll never know. Like you put them in a situation and you give them a small thing, they're gonna come out with a big old, like they're gonna make some out of it. Bro, they so creative. I was like, I was like, you know, I was as pure. I was like, bro, y'all so creative what they are. Like why y'all didn't imply this like that? Like, bro. But yeah. See, but you don't like, just for me being there and seeing all this, you know, us as black people, like we can, bro, we are the entrepreneurs. Like we can, we can really run this. Like cause we are, you know, that that's just saying like you, you know, you're a hustler. Don't nobody hustle harder than us. Don't, don't nobody hustle harder than black people. Period. So it just being that creative and that smart. I'd be like, man, y'all guys don't know that, y'all can get out here and really get to take it over. But a lot of people don't know, a lot of people don't know the business side and they won't take the time to go, you know, learn it. But now in this age, you can go on Google, you can go on YouTube. And these people is explaining it to you versus back then when, you know, this wasn't really gotten to the available. Next people, give me you free game. The only thing you gotta do is go get it. No, that's not true. No, but you gotta have a paperwork behind you, bro. You gotta have a paperwork. They gonna take it from you. Yeah. That's the one thing we don't do. Black people, we don't take the paperwork behind it. Yeah. But I always just go do what they do and they take it from us. We all complain. I agree. But when you paperwork first and they ain't go do it. Yeah. Yeah, these streets is real too. And I think we are creative like you said. So, but when you think about it, you know, it's eye-opening, man. But the one thing I did notice and, because when I got jammed, my mother had passed away. And when I researched it, I found out your mom passed and your father passed while you was incarcerated. Right. That's, how was it dealing with both of those incidents if I might ask if you want to talk about it? Yeah, sure. Like losing my mom, like that hurt me the most. Yeah, I know. They broke me down. Like just even think about it, it's just crazy. Cause I really don't talk about my mom, but it's like I have no choice but to talk about that cause everybody's lost it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't just me, but my mom, that's my baby. Like I can't even count to you. No, no, I already know. Like, man, like that hurt me more than anything else in the world. How did you react and what did you do? And the reason I ask these questions, Lowe, is because it'll help somebody else who go through that. My cousin lost his mother and his dad while he was like my first cousin. We were in together all the time. So I know, but he can't sit down like you cause he ain't type of person that could do this, but somebody that's gonna see this parents, they may lose their parents or something, or have lost it or going through something like that. That's why I asked you about it. You know what I mean? Cause it'll help somebody else. Like man, like the only thing I can say we like losing my mom. It wasn't nothing really nobody could tell me. It was unexpected. Yeah, it was just unexpected cause I had just talked to her earlier that day. I told her happy birthday and stuff. And I told her- It was on her birthday? Yeah. I told her don't be drinking and driving. And she said that I'm not, I got somebody who gonna drive me home. So my dad came out and surprised her and turned up her party for her. You know, he came out and did his thing and performed with her and stuff. And then she drove my dad sister home but she didn't get to get home. Wow. You know, she passed, she passed like not too shortly after leaving her house cause she got to a car accident the same way as dad. And that's where it blew my mind. Both my parents passed in car accidents. Yeah. So, so boom. So just like that. And when it happened, I didn't know. So I guess one of the guards at the, on the prison that I was at, he told my partner just to make sure I'm okay on good. And you know, at the time, I don't know. But I guess my parent, I mean my dad, my grandma, my auntie or somebody had called down to tell the prison already and told them to tell me. So the guard just told my partner to make sure that I'm good. So, so my partner was like, hey bro, you know the guard. No, he was like, bro, the guard just told me to make sure you're good. I don't know what's going on with that, bro. Is you good? I like, yeah. Here, he was like, bro, you might need to call home and see what's going on. I was like, man, why like, but I had just got recently got some paperwork saying that I was going home in December and this was July. So, and I called my mom a couple weeks early and told me I'm coming home in December. So I'm thinking, I'm like, but I know she didn't call down here and tell them to just make sure I'm okay and I'm safe and stuff. Cause she would do something like that. Make sure my baby good. Y'all better watch it. He coming home. So I wonder about doing that tour type stuff. So, so, so boom. So I walked upstairs and I was getting on the, the actual jail phone and I can dial the number. I pushed it, it rained one time and I hung it up. So man got out. I was just like, man, I ain't finna call her. You know, cause I had set days where I actually called and stuff and talked to her and stuff. Yeah. So I was like, you know what, for some just say they called. So I went back downstairs and one of my partners and stuff, he from the city too. So he, he just kept staring at me. You know, and I was down there playing cards and stuff. I looked up, he's staring. He walked away. He walked that way. So you know, in prison, you know, you just talk to watch how people move. How he walking and stuff. So I looked at like, bro, what's going on? Were you good? He was like, yeah, yeah. But I can tell how he said it. I was like, so that's how I stopped playing cards. And I walked upstairs to his room. I was like, bro, what's going on? Bro, talk to him, bro. You got something going on? You got a feeling of some type of way or something? And he was just like, no, bro, you just need to call home and make sure your people's great, bro. Shit, man. The folks say under your mom pad. I'm like, bro, I don't like how. Where should I just talk to him? Man, you tripping. Oh, I call under my dad and he picked up. And I'm like, dad, man, what's going on? Man, these folks trying to tell me that mom pads and stuff. And he was trying to change the subject. He was like, bro, son, what's going on, bro? I'm like, man, dad, man, where did these folks talk about? You talking about what's going on, I mean, what's going on? And then he got quiet. I was just like, what? Said I ain't so. And he got down, he was like, bro, shit, it's so. And I just lost it. Man, I can't even explain it. What happened after that? I just, I couldn't even believe it, man. When I tell you, like for like a whole week, I ain't sleep. And I cried like every day, all day. But those guys never really showed me love, though. Like they like, bro. That's the way it be. God put the right people around you to deal with situations and circumstances. You know what I'm saying? No, no, and that had to be hard. Now, now explain to me how it was when Charlotte Lowe, when he passed away, how you get, how did you hear about that when he was locked up? Bro, it's crazy. Cause I had just talked to him the night before cause my granddad had just passed two weeks prior. Right. So my granddad passed on September 6th. So, you know, um, so, um, so, um, he had called. No, my aunt, cause you know, we had the cell phones and stuff. So the cell phone that I usually use and stuff, she had text that phone and told them to tell me to, you know, to call my dad and stuff. So I called her like, auntie, what's going on? What the hell can it be? I'm like, she was like, just call your dad cause he going to be the only one who can control you and control you and all that. I'm like, man, what you talking about? She was like, just call the social, I call my dad. I'm telling him, I'm like, damn, what's going on? Everybody talking crazy. Like, you know, I'm like, what's going on? So, um, so, um, he, so he would talk to him and he was like, man, you know your, um, Granddad is up there with your mom now. I'm like, huh? And then, you know, when I thought about like the way he was saying, I'm like, man, I'm like, uh, you know, and me and him just sat on the phone and just cried together. You know what I mean? Wow. And now, so you lost your mama and your grandpa and your daddy. Yeah. In a year span. Within a year span. So. And you were locked up all the time. Mm-hmm. And so. The whole time. Wow. So y'all got the, you had, you got him to console with you on that. But so, so how does the news get to you about short and low? And I know people probably asking you these questions, but I just, I just liked the real bro. No, no, bro. It's cool. So, um, so, um, it was, it was a winstay. She said, she said, 10 of 21st. I ain't never gonna forget. Can't forget. It was a winstay. That was when my daddy died. The commissary, Ashley. Yeah. September 21st. Yeah. The commissary, Ashley, come that day on the winstay. So the guy who ordered me some commissary, or whatever, he came to my dole and it was like five, six in the morning. So they, they had already called us to go to breakfast, but I ain't go. So he came back like, low, low, bro, come to the door. I'm like, bro, what's up? So I hopped off the bump. So I popped the door. I'm like, bro, what's going on? He was like, bro, you ain't gonna believe this. And I'm thinking, he finna tell me like, you know, he didn't get to go to the store. So he's gonna pay me this week or something like that. He was like, bro, yo, dad, he died, he dead. I'm like, bro, what? I rubbed my eyes. You like, you'd have heard this stuff. You'd have heard all of these different transitions now. This is two weeks apart. Cause my granny had just passed out. So they're two weeks later. So I'm thinking, I'm like, bro. So I told him, I said, man, get the fuck away from under my dole, bro. You tripping. And I about to close the door and my other partner pulled up and gave me the cell phone. So I'm thinking like, damn, like, they gotta be real. There was a song going on. So on my call, my dad, mom, and my dad, it's had picked the phone up. So she was like, hey, look, call up. But it's like five, six in the morning. I'm like, oh man. So she's like, hey, what's up? So I'm like, bro, what's going on? And then she was like, um, I say, man, is it true? It is not true. She's like, it's true. And at that moment, I actually went numb. Like, you know, I ain't never felt it before. Like I went numb. Like I ain't feel nothing. It's like, it's just like, I was more angry or pissed off or like, damn. Like, what the? I'm like, oh no, what's going on now? It's just like everything. He's like, my mind's spinning. But it's like, I don't get it. It's like, man, he gone and I feel like, man, that's the last thing I had left. You know, that's my own, my mom, granddad, and now dad is like, I ain't really too much crushing about that one. You know? You know, cause I was numb. I was just like, man. After all of that. After, he done went through so much. And that's the crazy part because this is something that you can't, you got to write a book, brother. You got to write a book because that ain't something. That's not normal, bro. You know what I'm saying? But I look at God in the whole situation, how you said that you spoke to him not too long before that. And then with your mom, you talk to her every week. So you were able to talk to her on that. A lot of people in there and like wait months or, you know, I don't talk to their relatives and figure out that they just passed away. You were able to have that last conversation. You know what I mean? We was all close, you know? Before my mom passed, I got the news that I was coming home December, 2015. So, but I got that news like the early part of July. And she came and seen me the following week. And it's crazy cause like when I seen her, she has some blue, what's it called? I contact some of the eyes, so my eyes are blue and stuff. And I'm like, mom, I don't know if they got anything to do with it. But I'm like, mom, you know, you look like an angel or something, like goddess or something. Yeah, I'm like, let's take a look at you. So then when me and her was talking and stuff and then the other people was having a visit too, they was like, your mom is so beautiful. She looked like an angel and stuff, you know? I was just like, yeah, man. I ain't never seen with these in the eyes or whatever it came in be. So it's like, on it, it's like, just think about that. It just like made me think about all that. Like, and I told her she looked like an angel then two weeks later, she became one. Wow, that's dope, man. Like I said, your story is breathtaking, man. And just the way that you, like I say, I appreciate the story, man. I appreciate you telling me what went down because that's something that, like I said, it'll help somebody else that's going through it because people going through it. You know, most of the black men are getting locked up and a lot of them, you've seen what the ratio was with us down there, that ratio crazy, right? It's real, it's us down there. When you get there, you see like this way about it. This way about it. You know another thing that when you were talking about when you found out that your mom had passed and you went and you just cried, you tear it up. We were interviewing somebody else who mom passed away while I think it was Aldi while he was in prison and he said he couldn't cry because you had to stay tough in front of everybody because you don't want to see him weak. But that's probably, and it's probably bad to say this, but that's probably the best place that I could have been when all of that was happening because it made me be strong. So what he's saying is true, but it's like, I was trying to, you know, keep up my, but those guys, that group of guys, like, us in that dorm, you know, it was us versus, you know, the police or the guards or whatever the case, you know, it's us, so we had that tight bond and I was cool with pretty much everybody in that dorm. So, you know, like when mom passed, like, they was there, like, they was just like, it was really nothing nobody could say. And they knew it. Look at his weakness. That is like, okay. Right, like, so you know, but I ain't go out and just cry in front of my mom. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You had to go through your time on sorrow, man. And that had to happen, you know? Yeah, so like, so sometimes they'll just come in the room and just sit with me for like hours or two, like, and nobody's saying nothing. That's dope. And, you know, and we just there. And I used to have the pictures, like pictures of my family and I'd go through all the pictures of just her. And like, I can't believe this. Like, she right here, she smile, she happy. Like, it's like she gone. Like, and he's driving me crazy. But he's just like, I don't know. I just felt like, I was like, man, she came to me in a dream one time. I ain't, I ain't, I ain't never gonna forget. And in that dream, I won a million dollars, look like a chick. So the people was like, I just wanted a million dollars. And I seen her and I dropped the chick. I was like, I don't care about them as much. I want you. And she say, no, you gotta be strong and stay strong, pick up that chick and take their money and whatever the case be. I was like, no, I ain't stand no chick. And it's like, in my sleep, like I can feel her hug me. Like, I kind of felt her like over me. I've been there. And like, and it woke me up. And I'm like, tear I like. It's crazy. I've been there. I've been the same dream, exact same dream. I was like, damn, I just felt the hug. Like, it touched me like, It woke me out of my sleep. Yeah, me too. And it's like, but I felt the spirit. I was like. And I believe that dreams, all dreams have meanings. They all have a meaning. They all come to you for a reason. Maybe that time in your life, you needed that. Yeah. Like her telling me to be strong, you know? Cause I, it didn't really matter hearing it from. Anybody else? Nobody else but hearing it from her. It was like, okay, like I can do this. Like I can fight through it. And it's like, like doing that period of time. I was like, man, I ain't gonna lie. I would think about doing some crazy stuff. Like I was like, I was just on go. But everybody in that dorm knew. So they was just like, you know, little bro, like, cause it was Sunday's like, I'm telling you, like I didn't sleep. Like I probably get like a hour nap, wake up and I'm up all day. Yeah. Like I ain't eating. Like it was like a whole, excuse me. Yeah. It was like a whole week I ain't eat. And like people like, bro, you gotta eat. You gotta do this. I'm like, I ain't got no appetite. Like y'all, they were like, some are like, bro, I get it. I lost a person like that person. But you gotta, you got them. You gotta shake it, shake it. They were like, y'all, you don't mean like that, but bro, you gotta take care of yourself. You know. That's what they would want. So let me ask you a question. Cause whenever, you know, of course, I'd never experienced what you've been going through or what you went through. But being locked up and hearing that, is it a case where, you know how you know it's true, but you really. Don't want to hear it. In denial until you actually come out and see that she's really not there. Right there. And that's key. Cause it's like, you know, from being locked up and being in jail and prison and stuff. And you know, they really not really there anyway. But you can call every nine days. So it was just like, it was not, it was just like, okay, so I can't call her. So eventually that's what I made myself believe. Like, you know, so I just can't call her right now. Yeah. So God damn. So when I finally got home, you know. I wanted to talk about that like coming home to a whole different situation than what you left. Right. How was that? How was it coming back into society? Like leaving, you know, and like, you know, I was locked up when I was 19. I got out when I was 22. So, you know, just leaving from that. Like I had both my parents. I had like a life. And your grandpa. Set up your granddad, you know, he played a big role in my life too. So it's just like coming back, you know, like when by the time I lost dad, I was already numb. So it's like it, nothing didn't phase me like no more. So I was like, I was just stone cold. Like, it's like, okay, it is what it is by that time. So by the time I came home, I was happy to be home. But that's when it started to hit me like, like, damn, like, okay. Like I'm expecting to come home. And these are the people that I want to see. They would embrace you. Yeah. They was like, like, we all could have grown up and you cried. They would pick you up. Yeah. So, you know, but it was my brother, my girl that at that time, my brother girl and two of my aunts and stuff. So, um, so, um, when like, when they came and picked me up and I was walking out the gates and stuff, you know, I was happy to see them. And you know, it was like, damn, like, you know, I'm free like, but it's like I'm free. And you know, my day ones, I ain't here on my day one out. Wow. So, so, you know, like I changed clothes. We went and got food and stuff. And you know, they took me to the graves like to see my mom and, and I ain't gonna lie. I really didn't have no feeling. Like, Yeah. You already done went through so much. Like, it's like, I was there. I looked at that ground for about two minutes. I was just like, all right. Come on. So I'm ready to go. And that was like, you good? I'm good. Cause my mind, I was, I was, my heart is, you know, it was already stone cold cause I, I, I, I, I had to lose that. I wouldn't know. So shit. Out of that, I'm like, I'm, I'm good. Like, don't, nothing faze me. But after being home for a period of time, the, that's when it started hit. It started affect you. Like, it's like, oh, shit. Like, bro, they really not here. Like, they really gone or, or this and that. And then that's when a little envy started to kick in. Like, cause I see people older than me, 40s and 50s. They parents. They parents. It's not familiar. I'm, I'm like, bro, I'm like, bro, God, like, why me? Like, shit, you know, the default old and they got, they parents, they parents still here. And the first thing that everybody do is blame God. No, I'm not, I ain't, I'm just like, why me? You know, I'm like, I'm like, I ain't never been on bad person or my parents when bad people, you know, we help people. We love people. We, you know, my dad, my mom didn't laugh people. I'm just like, why? So, you know, and I see kids, she with they parents and stuff and babies and stuff. You know, I ain't like that. I'm like, man, what the, what? And crazy thoughts start going through my head. Like, you know what? I say, I, I, I really just want people to see how I feel. I was like, well, I want to do some, do some to everybody. So everybody can see how I feel. You know, what you feeling? Yeah. But, you know, but eventually I snapped out of it. What changed your mind from all of that? Okay. You know, after being home for a certain period of time, um, my girl at that time, you know, um, me and her, she was, you know, she was with me. So, you know, she was trying to pick me up, help me find jobs, do this and do that. Like she was basically taking care of me. But as, as all of the reality started to hit me, I started being more bad, like evil towards her. Like, like I talked down on her. That's what I mean. That's what I meant. Like, like this and that, and I was making her feel bad. And I was tearing her down as a woman and she wasn't trying to do that for me. Because you would hurt me. Yeah, I would hurt her. And, you know, and she was always around. So it's like this energy was just, you know, draining her. You could go to her. So eventually, you know, she left. And once she, you know, that'd probably be the best thing that ever happened to me. Because once she left, I was like, I can't lose nobody else close to me. And it made me change. And it basically made me change my mindset, my points of view, the way I see life, the way that I see people, the way that I move. And it just made me be more positive, you know, and just grind, you know, and just get what I want. Cause it's like having her and she was doing everything for me, kind of like, like. It's like she was your crush. Right. So when she left, I just had to follow all the way down. Right. Then get back up. Let me ask you about the dream. You had a dream, you say that you needed to start rapping. Was that, your father came to you? Right. Yeah, so. How long was that after you had gotten home? It was a long time after? Yeah, cause I got home in 2016. And recently, November, November 23rd of 2020, I got locked up for violins and probation. Okay. So, so, January the 4th, January the 5th, I had court. My dad came to me to January the 4th. And he was like, man, get the music 100%. You gon' make it. He say, but you gotta give it 100%. He say tomorrow. This year. Yeah. January. So he was like, tomorrow, you not going home. But when you go, make sure that you get the music 100%. You gon' make it. And I'm gonna put the pieces around you to make it. But you ain't gon' make it just because you my son, you gotta give 100, just like everybody else. And you know, so the next day came and I didn't go home. So I ended up coming home, February the 12th, if I'm not mistaken. So I already, you know, I was dibbing and dabbing with the music before I had got locked up. Make some songs or make a song. And I didn't really put it out because before, back in 2017, my brother was rapping. I ain't never rapped before. I ain't never thought about rapping. So I was trying to manage him. And it was basically like just losing pops did something different to him. And you know, he was burning a lot of bridges. I'm like, I'm like, hell no. I was like, you know, were we losing our opportunities? We still gotta live out here. And there's people that just want to help us, but you flipping out and you doing this. Now I'm like, nah, I say, bump that shuffling around. But at that time, I wasn't good. And I knew that I wasn't good. Honestly, I still don't feel like I'm good now, but people think I'm good. I like it. I listen to the songs that you have released. So at that time, you know, the people around me was like, yeah, bro, you shot a little song. You can just put out anything. So I'm like, I ain't even put out on anything. I was like, no, but then the people that I, you know, got to say that Spett did know to help me and groom me was the same people who was around that and who was helping him. And you know, and nobody wanted to help me. So, and then, you know, like I was doing like crazy stuff. Like I was so dedicated and I had my mind made up that the music was the way I was gonna do. Like I'll spend my last to Uber to the studio to pay for the pay for a studio session and not have a way home. Like, I ain't know how I was gonna get back home. I was like, man, so I call somebody and be going on my call line and somebody finally come pick me up and take me back to the house. So, so, so it got to that point to where I was just like, okay, so my uncle stunt, he got like a studio in his apartment. So, you know, I was going over there and I was asking people to show me how to record myself. Like just show me the button to push to make it got them record me and then I can stop it. And would you believe that nobody didn't even want to show me how to do that? Yeah, that's what called it. That's just God just making you stronger the whole while. Cause you, you know, once he teaches some and show you some, ain't nobody can take it from you. And there may be some unique way you want you to do it. And it was crazy. Like I come believe nobody wouldn't come in there and show me how to push a button to record myself cause I ain't had the money to keep over and then paying for studio time. And I'm like, I'm not really good. So I read the practice over here and you know, and do this, nobody didn't want to show me how to push a button. So, you know, I was like the people that I expect to support me, they ain't helping me. And then, and then the people that I don't really care about, they telling me to put out anything. So I fell back from the music. Yeah, I was like, you know, and I ain't, I ain't doing it. So when I got me a job and I did sales and marketing and stuff. And I did good and that, but I broke my foot and I couldn't work and I lost my job and stuff. And I went through a whole spiel with doing that. So, so then, so then afterwards, afterwards, that's when I got a lot of the front violation probation. I was actually finna move into the house that I'm in now. And I went down to change my paperwork over and they locked me up, told me that I had a warrant. So, so dad came in the dream. He told me that I got out. I was working on music, but I was still kind of nervous. I was like, man, I don't want to put on no bullshit, but I wanted people gonna like it. And one of my dad partners, he said, play something. And I played, my song got another single. The Bricks. Bricks, I played Bricks. He say, man, he started, he say, man, you tripping. He say, man, you better put this out. Well, he was like, man, the people gonna go out and won't you, but it's on. He was like, and you say that you ain't never rap before. He was like, well, you lying to me. He was like, but it's good music right here. So, man, he actually made that cover that's on my Instagram now. Yeah. And I think if I'm not mistaken, I dropped Bricks April the 24th. And it's been up since then. Man, I see you on different platforms, man. The interviews, the people that's embracing you. I just like the whole movement. I think it's something else. They need to do a growing up hip hop and throw you on that thing somewhere that you get that money, all counterweights, because it's there for you. You know what I mean? Doors are gonna open, man. And you're just gonna have to be prepared to go with it. Like that 100% thing, your daddy write about that. Anything you do, you gotta give it all. Don't do it at all. So what other feels you would like to branch out into because I know you're doing the music. In the shirts. But I know being a brand, you might wanna do movies. You might wanna do a book and this different things. Have you thought about any of those? Yes, actually, I actually started my own label, D4WEL Reloaded. So I basically started that because I felt like I ran into some bad business. So people were just trying to tell me I can give you this amount of money. I can get you on birthday bass, Coachella, Matt Gellar. You know, just all types of stuff. You know, my instinct was telling me like, nah, these four cap and the way they're able to get me. But they gave me the paperwork and I was trying to wait to see if they can get me on the, which one came first. Birthday bass came up first. So, you know, I ain't signed on paperwork or none. And until I see like they can do what they say they gonna do. So when birthday bass was coming up, I seen all the other artists posting, they flyers and doing this and doing that. And I'm asking them, like, where my eyes at? Like, oh, where the paperwork at the contract? So we can see what's going on. And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he was just like, yeah, man, it's on the way, the radio station is still doing it. And I'm like, okay, cool. Well, but I ain't signed on paperwork anyway. So like about a week or so before birthday bass came up, he was like, man, they gave away the slide and did all this and that, man. I'm on the phone with him now. I was like, you know what? Versus me trying to look to get signed, I'll start my own label and I'll sign on it myself. And then I can help people because I know I'm 100. Yeah. You know what I mean? You know, I ain't trying to get over on nobody or do nothing to nobody. I didn't want to see people win. And like I tell the people around me, I can't promise nobody success, but I can promise you an opportunity to create your own line and do whatever it is you want to do and help change your future and your family's future. I can promise you success. And it's only right because that's the same with your pops. So you want to make sure that you give yourself every opportunity to create that lane so that you know what I mean? So you'll be able to help more people. The more people you can help, the better off it is. Right. So man, I appreciate you, man. Is there anything else you got to ask? Oh, that's it. Hey man, how can people get a hold to you, man? Man, you can follow me on IG that's shawtylo, underscore Junior. That's S-H-A-W-T-Y-L-O, underscore JR. You can find my music on all platforms. Wherever they have music, you can find my music. My singles out right now, shawtylo, Junior. Brits, shawtylo, Junior. I'm with it. Shawtylo, Junior, Future and Skoolie. That's the one I've seen too. Every time. Yeah. That'll go hard. Every time. I forgot to ask you top three artists of all time. Any genre. My top three. Number one. Number one is Future. I ain't gonna lie, so I love Future. Love Future. Future. Number two. Drake. Number 30. Dad. Hey, man, that's dope, man. Hey, man, we love you, brother. Thank you so much. We appreciate you for coming on the show. Yes, sir. I have one more. Oh, you got another question? I'll let that man go. So if you had to go back and advise a young man, say about 16 years old, who about to face some time in prison, you know what I mean? Say, even face eight years, because when you go in there. You say eight like that ain't a lie. That's a lie, man. Yeah, that's a lie. You ain't anything good. But when you're facing eight, I don't mean you're gonna do the whole eight. You might not get that. Depends on the state you in. Right. But, and he left with his mom and dad there, you never know what might happen in life. How could you advise him what to face coming up? You really can't, you know? Because his life is gonna be different from mine and the things that he might experience and feel it's gonna be different from what I felt. And I got into experience. And the people around him, I don't know how they'll try to help him and guide him. The only thing I can say is you like, you like eventually, once you, you know, had time to grieve, you just gotta know what you want out of life and go get it. Like at that time, I ain't know what I wanted. You know, like before my dad passed me and him was talking, and I was telling him that I'm gonna come out and help him start businesses and his restaurant and finish writing his book and starting the movie. Like me and him had plans and had goals. And you know, and that just got shattered. He left. So I didn't know what I was gonna do. You know? And when, and when I got out and I came home, you know? And I had to stay with my aunt and her dude. And eventually he put me out. So I was homeless for a while. I was living here, living there. And you know, I'm shot a little son. He fall like, well, yeah, you shot a little son, you scraped. You know what I mean? I'm like, nah, I scraped. You don't work like that, do you? You know what I mean? But it was just like that. But it was like, I just had to stay rooted and grounded. It is like my pride and my ego didn't let me go under. I was like, you know, I, I really can't be, you know, like this. Like cause I just got pride in me. Like I ain't finna be homeless. I'm not finna do it in a little hell. No, so I'm gonna go get it. You know, so I found jobs and so you know, I ain't, I ain't really have no pride in that sense of, I can't work. You know, my first job, I was making it 725 hours. And you know, so then that ain't really nothing when you got bills. You got this, you got that. You got to provide for yourself. That ain't nothing. But you know, I like, I had to learn how to manage money, how to live better, be like consistent and beat and like tell myself, you know, it's some stuff that I can't do. And that's okay. So your dad told you in a dream that you got to get it on your own. Right. You can't, and that's a good thing, you know, because I've heard of so many famous rappers who passed on and wasn't able to leave their kids anything. And their kids are not in a great situation right now, except from just having that name. And you have a lot of mean people out there who will say, Oh, but you such and such son, you shouldn't be, you know, what you doing working here? What you doing doing that? You know, they expect you to have money, to be living good off of your dad's name. Or you know what I mean? People, people have said that, you know, and you know, and I just tell them, you know, should I be real? That's him on me, you know, so I'm grinding and I'm doing my own thing. You know, so I feel like I need to work on my work. So some work and I'm doing that. And I love that, that, that, that. I like it. Let's go. Man, thank you so much for coming on the show, man. Dope interview, man. It's been another great segment of Boston 101. And we out.