 Hi, my name is Leon Rowe, currency trader and trading coach at Trading180.com and in this video, I have John who is a Trading180 member joined me. When did you join me, John? It was last spring. Was it last spring? John's been with me for a while now and this is a talk, an interview to get his experience and really his progress as a trader from joining Trading180. He talked about some of the concepts that he's learned from fundamentals, technicals and again just getting really his experience in his journey with Trading180. John, just quickly, let's say quickly, but when did you really kind of pick up on trading forex? How did your journey really start? Sure. Okay, so five years, I'd say five, it was five years ago. No, six years ago is when I started forex trading. I was in between jobs and I was looking for some way to obviously make money. And then I did the good old Google search and you look at things are popping up and you get the binary options and you get the Amazon dropshipping and you get this and that and you get forex. So I just started down that path and I was immediately just hooked. You know, it's one of those things where I just, I love, I love starting the charts, I love looking at charts and I'll just, you know, I watched a million YouTube videos. I read everything that I could, I would sit in front of the charts, you know, 10 hours a day on the weekends, you know, each day, like 30 hours on the weekends and all that stuff. What's interesting is that, you know, I learned, I learned a lot, but the stuff that I was learning was just all technical analysis. When it came to, yeah, when it came to fundamental analysis, I was kind of like, I don't need that, you know, I don't want to learn that. And the thing about fundamental analysis that I knew at the time it was, you know, you trade non-farm payroll or you trade a news event, you know what I'm saying. I just kind of said, now I'm just, I'm just not going down that path. What's interesting is that it was a little over a year ago, not probably about two years ago. I actually completed the evaluation at the 5% or is prop firm. Yeah. And so I completed their evaluation and they gave me $52,000 account to trade. At that point in time, I was elated. I'm like, Oh my gosh, I've made it. You know, I did it. I know what I'm doing. Right. Yeah. I'm like, this is, it was like one of the, my defining moments, you know, my life and, you know, and I was super excited. And what's crazy though is that after that, it was a slow bleed until I finally lost and got nixed from the program. I never made any money. I never even made a monthly commission or anything, you know, anything like that from the firm. It was literally, I completed it and I just kept losing really slowly. And at that point, I knew, I knew I need, I was missing something, you know, like, and I wasn't going to quit. Like, I, you know, I was not going to quit. I was determined to do this. And so I started searching supply and demand trading. I just, I felt I listened to podcasts. I read enough stuff. I knew supply and demand trading was the way to go. Then though, it's kind of like, okay, well, yeah, you can trade supply and demand, but which direction do you trade it in? Right? Same, same, same problem is support and resistance, right? It's right. Which way? Which way? You can, you can do all the technical analysis you want, but if you don't understand what's moving the market, you're, you're just, you're throwing darts. So I, I, one day I YouTubeed supply and demand and you popped up and, and I clicked on your video. And I remember I was about 10 minutes in your video. And it's like, I went, holy shit. Like, I, this is, this is what I've been missing. And it just made complete sense. And I think I emailed you like right away. And I'm like, like, how, how, I'm like, how can I get into your group? Because you only accept people like quarter, right? Yeah. And I'm like, how can I get in? And then you're like, well, I only do it, you know, every, every quarter. Yeah. It's coming up. And then I'm like, well, if I can get in early, just let me know. You know, I mean, I was just chopping it a bit. Joined you and then the rest is history. Brilliant. Yeah, there's, there's, there's a lot there, right? Because we again, we kind of will share the same journeys in the sense that we go through. It's almost like, I guess a baptism of fire, right? As a new trader, you have to go through a lot of strategies, almost technical strategies to kind of realize that, or some people never realize it. But, you know, that there's more to trading than just the technicals, right? You know, we get into it. It's the easiest thing in the world, right? I mean, the first strategy that was, I mean, I spent, well, I paid about six grand. Yeah. So the technical strategy was pinballs, Fibonacci and moving average, right? And that's, and by the way, that's, that's no, there's no, you know, there's no shame to those people who, whoever they were, because they were really nice guys, right? Maybe the problem was me as a trader, right? Maybe it did work, right? But as a trader, I wasn't ready for it. But from a technical analysis perspective, that was basically what it was. It was a moving average cross, some Fibonacci support and resistance, compliance. And that was, and that was that, right? But, like you said, we get to that point where we have to realize what was it is, what is it that is moving the market. So you kind of had, I guess, the fundamentals in the back of your mind. Did you actually search, because you didn't mention Forex Factory, but did you, how many videos did you watch, I guess, on fundamental analysis? And what was your conclusion, I guess, based off of what you found about fundamental analysis online? So prior to you? Prior to me, yeah. Oh, it's, I mean, nothing. You know, I mean, it's, yeah, when you have a news release, you trade, you know, you trade the news release. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just, yeah, just that kind of stuff. Like, you know, that's what I thought fundamental analysis was. Little did I know that it's so much more in depth. And, you know, and you basically, you need to learn, you know, global economics, you know, and, but in one of the cool things too, that you've always said is like, you know, you talk about the technicals and go, the pin bar is not going to move the market. You know, like, it's not, I mean, it's not. And now I'm like, it makes me just kind of, it just makes me roll my eyes and it makes me wish I found you five years ago, you know, I mean, it's just. You know, nothing, nothing before it's time, John, because I felt I felt the exact same way when I was when I met, you know, my friend and mentor Mark Chapman, right? Why didn't I meet you right at the beginning? You know, I mean, but but sometimes you maybe you wouldn't have been ready for it. Like we said, we have to kind of almost go through the burn the losses the blowing up of accounts, you know, I've blown up countless accounts right. But we have to kind of go through that in order to grow and kind of get the experience, the knowledge and then all of a sudden you're like, you know what, if you keep going, if you just keep going because there has to be that burning desire and I think it was Sam that said this in his interview, he said, you actually have to like trading you have to like the fundamentals you have to enjoy them right. It has to be a thing. And like you and like many other traders in the group. I had this thing where I like to figure things out. You know, I mean, I've like, I know it's I can figure it out that person can learn it, you know, I can learn it if you know I'm right so but from but from fundamentals, fundamental perspective, it's kind of seen as maybe, you know, maybe a bit overwhelming a bit, you know, because you go into so many different directions correct. Like you said, before finding again trading 180. There's so many different things and people will tell you all these different things about fundamentals right it's like you're in a in the wilderness almost. How have you found I guess, because we use the fundamental analysis spreadsheet to kind of simplify things how have you found the process of learning the fundamentals. So, what's, what's interesting is that I, I watched, I don't know how many of your free videos like all of them, you know, maybe I had a 30 minute commute to work, you know, one way. I would listen each every day, both both commutes you know I would every day, and I listen to all your videos and I would sit there and be like okay, 2% inflation rate is a target if inflation is high, you know what has to happen. If GDP, if GDP is, you know, equals more X, you know, exports and then you know what I'm saying like I just, I just kept just repeating and if I didn't understand it, I would just kind of rewind and I listen to it again and again, I did it over and over so by the time I actually joined your group. I had a really good grasp of it, you know, and it didn't take much in the members area to actually really get me, you know, to really up to speed because I had already I really learned studied it hard, you know. Now granted the members area has so much more, you know, I mean there's, there's so much more stuff in there. But yeah, that's kind of how I did it. And yeah, now it's not even, it's not even difficult. So from the stuff that I provided online, I guess, and the amount of that, you know, fundamentally provided online, you literally just digested it came into it but then, I guess, fit the pieces together like you know, for example the mentor. There's only really, no worries, there's only really so much I guess you can learn from videos right and actually just watching videos and YouTube videos and things like that. Some people, you know, may get it, you know, a little bit but there's something that comes with maybe the mentoring behind as well and the reinforcement the feedback. Am I doing this right? Am I, you know, I mean am I off base? So have you found, for example, the group, the mentoring, you know, and how has it kind of helped you really kind of put the pieces together? Sure. So you're, you're very good at putting out content all the time. As far as what's going on during the week, what setups are occurring, you know, and that in itself is wonderful. The other thing that I truly like is just that the amount of information that's posted on the different economies of the world is, you know, all in one place. Like having that at your fingertips is just, it's amazing, you know, I can click on Australia and I can click on United States and I can click on, you know, Great Britain and I can, and I can have a feel right away about what actually is occurring in their economies. And therefore I can, you know, then you look at the spreadsheet, you look at the data that's come out, and then you can easily see the divergence, the fundamental strength divergence between the two currency pairs. And that gives you your bias. And that, that is so powerful, you know, and to be able to figure out a bias within 30 seconds is pretty cool. Yeah, it is. And it took me a while. Actually, I was, I was saying to, I had a call with Roger and on his one, I was saying that it took me, even though it was explained to me about fundamentals, it took me maybe about a kind of a year, maybe something like that to really kind of, you know, believe in the fundamentals because you have to, you have to believe that interest rates, inflation, monetary policy is actually the reason why currencies will move in the medium to long term in the short term, nobody knows right, nobody knows, because of things like, you know, we go over in the course far as liquidity, you know, stop hunting and things like that, right. So, so your perspective has probably changed from more, actually, what were you doing before? Were you, before you met me, were you more day trading or were you still maybe swing trading? I was swing trading. I've always traded the, like the higher time frames, the lowest I would ever go is 4H. And even 4H doesn't work well for me very much. The only way I can actually capitalize on lower time frames is by capitalizing on the stop hunt pattern, which I'm making that robot, I'm programming. Yeah, I meant to talk to about that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm going to have that for MetaTrader to take advantage of the stop on patterns on the intraday so I can do that, put that on while I'm at work. So I definitely want to talk to you about that. Yeah. But for me, it was, it was usually daily chart. But now, because I started using MetaTrader 5, I know you use trading view, but I'm just very familiar with MetaTrader. I was using MetaTrader 4, but now I went to MetaTrader 5 and I'm able to use 12 hour candles, 8 hour candles, 6 hour candles. Yeah. Yeah, and I'm telling you, the 12 hour candle to me is like, that's my jam. I love it. And I guess the perspective of fundamentals, because we kind of, yes, we make, you know, there's some short term trades that we take as far as when we're in a trade, we take what we kind of teach to take a few positions, right? So you can make money on the short term, but generally what you want to do is hold maybe a position or two and go for the long run, right, the long term. So how is fundamentals, I guess, kind of helped you to potentially, you know, to hold trades, for example? Oh. A lot of traders, you know, will tend to want to take maybe 30 pips, 20 pips. Yeah. Right. You know, so how do fundamentals help that? Totally understand. So when you have, when you understand the fundamentals, you know, economies don't change on a dime. It's not like, you know, it's just overnight things are going to change. The risk sentiment can be different, especially these days. Okay. Yeah. But as far as, you know, the fundamentals of the economies, it's, it has allowed me to confidently hold trades a lot longer, because I can say, okay, well, nothing's like, I'm in a trade. You know, my biases in one direction, nothing's changed, you know. Exactly. I'm going to keep holding. Yeah. And I mean, Lynn, I'm putting, I'm, I just did, I just hit a 12 to one, I hit an 11 to one. Brilliant. I just hit a four to one. I just got, oh my gosh, I got, I got tagged in on the, the dollar yen. Oh, it's on the end trade. Okay. Oh man. Oh, I got such a good entry. I got such a good entry. That's going to be, that'll be a nine to one. Wow. If that completes. So it's like, you know, I'm just holding longer. I don't worry about it. I don't stress about it. I don't take profit. You know, I take profits, but I don't take the trade off the table. You know, but then also your, your information about unfair auctions is gold. And that, that even allows me to hold longer because I look left and I see the unfair auction. I go, okay, well I'm going to hold longer because it's probably going to go. Although nobody knows, nobody knows when, when it's going to, but for, for, for those of you. I mean, I wasn't the, I guess the, the person that saw this, right? It was again, my mentor Mark who does mentoring privately and he'll tell you all about it. You can visit his channel if you do Mark Chapman, I think underground trade is a lie. I don't think he's mentors anymore. Yeah. I looked him up. Yeah, but, but great, great guy. You know, I pretty much owe everything I know to him. You know what I mean? At least 80% of what I know to him. And with his, I guess his blessing, he kind of released a video on unfair auctions, right? Because I couldn't talk about it. I'm in a, I'm in a group with him, with market makers, right? And when he explained about unfair auctions and it's coming straight from a market maker, not theory. This is not like, oh, maybe get, no, this is coming directly from the horse's mouth, right? And he released a video publicly on that unfair auctions. And it kind of just gave me the green light to then be able to kind of show you guys as well, right? Because it's trade secrets generally, do you know what I mean? So I had to keep that closed. I get it. And then that's it. That's exactly it. So understanding, you know, not just the fundamentals, but the liquidity element behind it, the unfair auctions behind why prices are likely to go in certain directions. Sure. Yeah, just adds to, you know, the confidence. And yeah, because I was, I've seen a few of your trades recently, and, you know, on the Aussie CAD, for example, you know, and, yeah, and we can talk about that a bit, a bit, a bit in a little bit. But we have great trade, man, great trade. I know you, Jarb Red, I know Lawrence as well, you know, was, I think he missed out on that trade. Yeah, he missed out on that, unfortunately. But he did well. But from a, from again, just from a, from a maybe a, I guess the question I want to ask is, since being with trading 180, there's probably been many like mind blowing moments that you've had by and many are hard moments. What would maybe one of them be when it comes to, you know, just, you know, something that really kind of changed or a light bulb moment that you just for when you heard it you saw it you just would like, oh my days. Right. Good. So let's, one of the big things, which is just kind of like, just the, what do I say the base of everything. Okay. I mean, this, this might sound a little repetitive, but I remember distinctly listening to one of your videos and you said, you know, if you don't understand GDP inflation rates, risk sentiment and interest rates. You're basically a technical analysis or analysts, technical analysts. If you go if you go in thinking, you know, as a technical analyst and you go talk to some traders at the big banks and whatnot. They're going to laugh you out of the room. And, and I remember listening to that and I'm like, huh, that's interesting, you know, that then that made a lot of sense. And then, you know, once again, you're saying that you got to understand what actually, what actually moves the the foreign exchange market like there's a reason behind these, these movements. And that I don't know that was so profound to me it was kind of like, oh, of course, like, why would you trade blindly. Like, you know what I'm saying? You don't know what moves the market. It's crazy in it. It's crazy. Right. Like, what are you doing? Like, you're just gambling. You know what I'm saying? Like, but so being able to understand what moves the market and have that bias is so profound. And it's so powerful, because then then it's just a matter of waiting for the setup. Absolutely. So now let me also talk about CPR. So this is CPR capture pain relief trades, right? Yeah, blew my mind. All right. And, and now that I can recognize them. I know what's happening. You just, you just know, you like you go, yeah, I see that like I see what they're what they're trying to do here. You know, and they're faking, they're faking out, they're faking out the quote unquote, you know, dumb money, right? I mean, that's, that's what they're doing. And if you know that, for one, you have you don't have FOMO anymore because, you know, you realize this is a manipulation and prices is probably going to come back. So FOMO goes out the window, which is phenomenal because FOMO sucks, you know, FOMO is not fun. But to get that erased is, you know, out of your mind is wonderful. And just knowing that the setup is occurring. And I literally like, like the yen trade today, like the long on the dollar yen. Yeah, I literally was like salami, like I've said, I've been waiting for a couple weeks. Yeah, it's like, this is going to come back. I know it's going to come back. It's fundamentally the divergence is super crystal clear, right? Absolutely. The Fed's extremely hawkish. The yen is extremely expensive. The economies are completely different, you know, and the dollar is what you want to invest in. So buy the dollar over the yen. And I saw that setup coming. And man, I wish I could show you my screen. Yeah, I mean, we can kind of go, yeah, you can see my screen, right? Yeah, I'll post it. Yeah, I'll put, oh yeah, you can go put a 12 hour on the dollar yen. And I know you enter, you enter with, you enter with pending orders, don't you? Yeah, I've started, I just started doing liminors and it's worked out really nicely and I'm real comfortable with it. I literally got in on the bottom of that pin bar on the right. Right. So let's all the way that this was where the demand zone was demand and let's go to a 12 hour. So it was literally right. I literally got in right. I got in right there. Right there. Right off nicely. That's about 50 pips right there, right? Yeah, and my stop loss is like 25 pips. So it's like, I'm gonna, if it keeps going, it'll be a nine to one, you know. Right, brilliant. I think my take profits about 80% of the high. Right. Yeah, of course. Absolutely. Because that was a, you know, something that I posted. I remember we were talking about, you know, the Aussie CAD, right? And I think I posted it just before, you know, that afternoon and literally it bounced off of that 80% to the pit, right? And then, right. Oh, yeah. In this direction. Yeah, take profits around that 158. Yeah, 115, 1778. That's it. Yeah, that's that's where my TPS. Yeah, brilliant. And, and so hopefully this trade works out, right? If it doesn't, if it doesn't, does it matter? No, if it doesn't, I'll re-answer at the, you know, at a lower price is this is one of those things. I have no problem losing, losing, losing. And then I win and I win seven, eight, nine to one, you know, it doesn't, it doesn't matter. I've been trying to explain this to traders for years, right? You know, because losing, it doesn't matter when you're going for those, you know, five, six, seven, eight to one, 10 to one, 15 to one type trades. I think jar bread, I think it was on the Aussie CAD. I think he, I don't know if he took profit on that Aussie CAD. But at one point, when I, when I interviewed him, he was up like on one position, he was up like 28 to one. And, you know, I mean, and another position, he was up like 15 to one. Yeah. You know what I mean? So it's like, You want to pull up the Aussie CAD? Yeah, we'll put up the Aussie CAD. That's a, that was a brilliant trade. I got, I got two positions on that one. And one of them was a, one's a stop point too. So that's, that's a lot of fun to go through. Brilliant. So we're talking. So yeah, actually matter of fact, this would be a good, this would be a good trade to go over fundamentally for anyone who's listening. Maybe break down why the Aussie CAD, fundamentally, and we can go over again the technicals, I guess, as to, you know, where the entry was and why you were looking at this zone, etc. And so on and so forth. So, so why, why were you looking to buy the Canadian dollar, sell the Australian dollar? So Canadian economy is doing great right now. They're ahead of the game. They're right up there with New Zealand, as far as their outlook and their growth. I know the Bank of Canada is hiking rates and they're going to, they're saying they're going to continue to hike rates. Okay. So obviously, when you hear that, we definitely want to, we perk up our ears and we definitely look to be, to be buying the CAD. Yeah. Also to, I think, you know, they're going to hike rates because obviously inflation is high. So you got to hike rates, bring down inflation. Okay. So everything's looking really solid for the Canadian, the Canadian dollar. As far as the Aussie dollar, at first, you know, a few months ago, we thought this was going to be a pretty, a pretty good buy, the Aussie dollar. You know, we're thinking, okay, they did really well with the quarantines and the lockdowns and everything. They're going to come out of this, you know, pretty well. The economy is going to boom, you know, that's kind of was what we were thinking. Recently though, with the new variants, that kind of took its toll on Australia. And I don't think the data was as good as we had predicted. And so we're looking at Australia kind of being not, let's say, not a good purchase at this point. Okay. Is that correct? Would you say that? What do you mean? Yeah. Yeah. Now, at the time, now I'm not saying, don't, anybody listening, don't don't necessarily sell the Aussie dollar right now because the future is actually going to look pretty bright. Yeah. We've been talking about that. Yeah. But at the time, it was just the fundamental strength divergence between the two currency pairs were very great. So I shorted this pair right at the, let's see, the 0.928. 0.928. Oh, you got a really good. Yeah, I got it right there. My stop loss was above the high. Okay. And then my, I took that all the way down to. The tighter stop, maybe just above how many pits above maybe do you remember? It wasn't, it wasn't that many. It was really, it was pretty tight. I'd say, you know, I usually tend to do about 25 to 30 pit stop. It's pretty somewhere around about somewhere right right in there. And then I got out of that. My take profit was at, yeah, it was like right, a little bit higher. It's slightly higher. Yeah, I, I also, I use round numbers. So I use that to help set no targets. Yeah, we had, we had a, we had a profit target and one of the targets we tend to look towards anyway, one of them is just that 80% you know, right retracement, right? Yeah, and I'm comfortable with that. I like that. Yeah, but again, round numbers is fine as well. Half numbers and round numbers is fine because you know, we know psychologically that big traders tend to place orders around those numbers. Not every single round number is going to react, right? It doesn't, doesn't make sense. But from a, from a perspective of where you understand where the range was as far as that was actually an expensive area for the Australian dollar. If this must be a bargain, then you really want to start to take, look to take profit as prices start to come back down. Absolutely. Into that area. And then you look left too, and you see that unfair auction. You see the unfair auction. And also you go, okay, that's cool. Yeah, that's it. That's exactly it. It probably got partially completed as well. So it came down far enough to be, I think maybe a little bit to be completed, but, but in general, you know, you can't, you know, it was the same. Don't be a, don't be a dick for a tick. Exactly. I mean, exactly. It's just, you know, just, just take profits wherever you, you know, you can kind of think, but yeah, great trade. That was a great trade. Now, let's go to the second one. So that's right there where you, we had your cursor at the 0.922. Yeah. 0.922. Oh, back up. Yeah. Oh, that's too high. Let's go. Oh, around here. Yeah. I took that. I took that trade as a stop on it. I do remember that. I do remember this because I think job red took the same trade. I think you and job red took the same trade. Yeah, right. Yeah. So that I took that on a lower timeframe. Right. And this is what I'm hoping when I get that robot done, they'll just do it for me. Right. Because I can't always, I can't always look at your day. Yeah. Because as long as you know which way you want to trade, if again, the trading algorithm that you've created is all you've got to do is kind of set it to set up in that direction. Exactly. It's going to ignore everything the other end. Just I needed either a stop on in this direction and I'm taking it. Exactly. Yeah. It's like, I will recognize the range. Exactly. I see the range develop, put it on. I can go to work. The robot will do its thing and trigger it. That's exactly it. Brilliant. Brilliant. So, oh, and this, this take profit is low. I took this one lower. So you're one of three with this one. It was night. You said it was 922. Yeah. And I actually, I have my, that's where I have my stop, my stop losses above that, the long candle. Just above the long candle. Yeah. Keep going down. Oh, this one. I got, I got in there. Oh, you got a tight start. Yeah. Yeah. Like right in there. So this is going to be a 10. This will be a 10 to one. Right. So that was maybe about a 10 put stop, something like that. No, a little bit wider, but, but my TP is even lower. So I took the second one because I was looking at unfair auction. I'm like, okay, I really believe that this will get down. Yeah. And it's, and it kind of came down to about a 10 to one on that 80% level, but it's on its way back down. It's a trace to bit. Yep. So like, profits even lower. So just slightly lower. Yeah. We're about to use your take profit. It's above the, it's probably above the eight, nine, eight. Okay. I'd have to look. No worries. Eight, nine, eight, nine. Well, okay. So you're looking about, about the absolute right there, right? Yeah. Okay. So just, just, just, just as I guess as a, maybe a bit of guidance, just make sure that you, you know, maybe troll your stop a little bit, lock in some of those profits as well. So make sure. Yeah. But, but yeah, brilliant me. And that's going to be maybe somewhere around about a 13 to one, or maybe like I said, maybe about a 10 to one type rate. Yeah. Yeah. Brilliant. That is fantastic. If it works out, of course. And even if it doesn't work out. If it doesn't work out, I already, I already made seven to one. So, you know, yeah, exactly. Whatever. And that's a great place to be. That is a fantastic place to be. And, you know, John, I just want to say, you know, it's been an absolute pleasure, you know, having you on, talking about your experience and really kind of showing, you know, some trades, you know, recent trades that you've taken. And I'm just glad that, you know, the, I guess trading 180 has, you know, I'm just glad that you're here with us and the way that we trade has jailed with you about because it's not going to gel with everybody. It really isn't. Honestly, Leon, it's absolute game changer. It has changed everything for me. I'm now consistently profitable. And I'm just, I'm so grateful. And I'm, I have an annual membership. I know that I'm going to be, I'm going to upgrade to a lifetime. I guarantee. I promise. No worries. Well, let me ask you a question then. Well, if for, for whatever reason, I'm not going anywhere, but I always have to ask this question because I believe that, you know, I guess my approach is more, you know, if you teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime rather than catching someone fish, right? Catching someone fish would be place to stop loss, telling someone where to place their stop loss and where to place their, you know, where to enter and where to take the profit target. So, so without, if God forbid something was to happen to me and or I just said, you know what, I'm done with trading one eight. I'm done with, you know, teaching, et cetera. Do you think you would have, still have the confidence again or to be independent and continue to trade, you know, and profitably? Yeah, absolutely. You should see my browser. I have every single big bank on my, bookmarked on my browser. Trading economics is my Bible, you know, Bloomberg is my Bible. Yeah. I have all the data at my fingertips that the thing about trading one 80, it makes it convenient, you know, because the information is just right there. And you're very good at posting it. And so it's Ken and job read and a bunch of other, a bunch of other guys, really good at posting stuff. But yeah, I mean, I can easily go to, you know, all the information that you have directed us to. Yeah. Saying read this, look at this, go to this site, check this out. I have it all there bookmarked. So, you know, if, if you, God willing, you know, nothing happens, but if you were to cease, cease trading one 80, I'd be totally fine. Brilliant. And that is what we want to achieve it. That's what I wanted to achieve because it worked for me, right? Mark did that for me. And so, you know, I'm trying to pass that on. And Mark continues to pass on as well. Well, I think he's kind of stopped now, but he might change his mind. He stopped in the past. He told me he stopped in the past, but maybe he might do it again. But, you know, but the point is, is that we, he's passed on to me and I'll pass it on to you. And, and John and anyone else who comes into trading one 80, I say this, right? Like if you want to pass it on to other, you know, your loved ones, your family, your friends, it's a skill for life. Like, like Lawrence, I think Lawrence said this. And he said, you know, all he needs now is just an internet connection, you know, and a chart, right? And you can, you know, you can make money anywhere kind of thing. It's not necessarily a cash machine. There is a learning curve as well. There is a lot of hard work that goes into this. And depending on maybe where you're at in your learning, it might be steeped. The learning curve might be quite steep. Something like, you know, like yourself, you kind of went before you came in. As you said, you had kind of done the hard work before. Watched a lot of my videos. So it wasn't too much, you know, but from a hard working perspective, and I guess the attitude, I guess you have to have, is someone like yours, John, which is basically just dedication, hard work. Yeah, absolutely. You know, and, you know, I thank you for this interview. Brilliant. I'm just so glad that, you know, you're another person who has come on camera, I guess, you know, this time around and actually, you know, proved that they are, you know, getting the benefits from trading 180. Hey, anytime, and I will refer as many people to you as possible. I'm that grateful. Thank you. Brilliant. I'm grateful to you as well. And thank you, John, and I'll speak to you soon. Take care. I'll see you in the group. Yeah. Riley, I'll take care of you. Bye.