 Thanks for staying with us. It's time now to look at the papers. What are the headlines saying this morning? I guess it's Mr. Tunde Kolaule, a legal practitioner here in Lagos State. Good morning and welcome to the program, Mr. Kolaule. Good morning, my brother. Hope you have a restful night. Yes, I did have a restful night. At least that small time that God gave us to forget our sorrows and live in the land of dreams. Good morning, good morning. What would you like us to begin with this morning? Well, it is not unexpected that foreign investors living in our balance sheet will be too fearful to either come into the country to invest or will be too eager to take out whatever investments they have made in this country. But when people have worked very hard for their money, they will not want it to go down the drain. Most of the problems that we have in this country to do, whether in the banking sector, whether in the political sector, whether in agriculture or economic sector, are man-made. We are the architect of our own misfortune until the investors begin to see the green light, until they begin to see that we are making very serious and meaningful to turn things around. And this can really be turned around within the shortest possible space of time, if we are ambitious, if we are developed, if we are committed. So I should think the reactions of the foreign investors are reactions that good businessmen will make given the circumstances of the Nigerian situation. If we do, I have read somewhere where a southern African businessman was saying that the pulling out of business out of Nigeria is just going to be for a short while. As soon as the military, international businesses will still return to Nigeria, giving the huge mass potential of the country, the huge mineral resources, the potential of the country. And also the very, very huge manpower capacity of the country. You will remember when, is it 9 o'clock now, what do they call it, was being established. One of the leading investors in there came, I think for me, Zimbabwe, I think he is based in South Africa. He said he has never seen what he saw in Nigeria when they were establishing that telecommunication company. The way they call for adverse, for the country adverse, there were people who have two, three PhDs, three masters degree. In diverse areas, who are applying for jobs. Nigeria is about one of the only countries in the world where you can see that kind of a thing. So these are things that can really be understood to cool Nigeria out of what they admire it is now. But I suspect, once you begin to show some seriousness and all that, the red light, the amber light, will continue to be seen in the international business circle. Well, I don't know if we are just talking out of arrogance and self-confidence that we are a populist country and because of that everything will work in our favor. Because people who are pulling out are the people who are doing legitimate business. For instance, these illegal miners that we have been hearing about, they are not pulling out. They are still doing what business they are doing. So the light mineral resources that we have in Nigeria are being tapped, whether we like it or not. And the people who are tapping it are not contributing to the growth of Nigeria's economy at all. So we are letting the legitimate ones go and then the illegitimate ones are still continuing as if nothing is happening. Okay, right now, because of the accusations and everything that they have given to Binance, another headline is saying that Binance departs to depart Nigeria market and services in local currency. Yes, they have told us that Binance is doing illegal things. They are making the Naira to fall and so many accusations that they have said, they have even said they are financing terrorism and all that. Now they are folding up and leaving Nigeria. I was just asking this morning, couldn't there have been a middle ground to meet these people, prosecute them if you find them guilty and all that, and make sure that it's not just pack up and get out of our country, because that is what it has amounted to. They are leaving the country and whether we accuse them rightly or wrongly, it is sending a signal to the people who may want to come and invest in Nigeria again. Those are just my thoughts. I don't know what you feel about it. Binance is leaving now. I agree with you totally. You know, when I was doing my intro, I said most of the problems that we have in this country have set me, we are the architect of our own misfortune. The binance that we are talking about, if there has been a very good regulatory framework on ground, if there is no conspiracy commission within the regulatory authorities and in that country, most of the malfeasances that they have committed or allegedly committed and all that will not have happened. For every infraction that those companies may have committed, you will find that 70 percent, the way they are 70 percent by Nigeria and other people, it was very less of a regulation on the foreign exchange market. As regards whether there could be sanctions for them, either internationally or locally, I agree with them in their own opportunity for the Nigeria Authority to make our sanctions to these people. Of course, we and I do know that there are international finance or business appraisal costs. Such as we went during the IPI issues that Nigeria could take for the company to. Of course, those companies are not living in the clouds. They came from one country or the other. They could be reporting the country to their own country where they come from and then legal proceedings are committed. There is also nothing that solves the Nigeria Authority from arresting the principal officers of the company and sending them in the court of competent judicial in Nigeria to face the consequence of whatever infraction they may have committed. But the truth of the matter is that we may not have the political will to be able to do that. Because like I said, whatever infraction these people may have committed, the most have been needed and are better by the Nigerian people. It's only those people in the Nigerian area and not us. So if your people are going missing and are dead, then this is why not us. Then wouldn't be too eager. Or they will not have both the one adjudication or the legal adjudication or the local adjudication to begin to take steps to bring these people to justice. As a consensus of these cases, they may have required, because like we said, the Ambanite has always been there. There were reports in so many newspapers on radio and then so many platforms that the foreign exchange markets of Nigeria, these are the activities of some of these companies and the central banks of Nigeria, was being done in a very open manner. And that is what has turned so many people into multi-millionaires in the country without really investing or manufacturing any products. So your question became, there are opportunities to bring them to justice in Nigeria. There are opportunities to bring them to justice in their own countries. There are opportunities to bring them to justice in the international distress arena. If we have the political way. Yeah, because the National Assembly, I know they invited Binance head to come. But before that happened, two officials of Binance just landed Nigeria and they were arrested. You know, as we usually do things, arrest them before you do investigation and all that. And because of that, the others were afraid to even appear. So maybe there could have been an explanation. We don't know. But now this is where it is going, which means a lot of Nigerians will have to lose their jobs and lose their means of livelihood because of this. I don't know. Another thing on the headlines here, still on BusinessNG, IMF to federal government, implement cash transfer program before addressing fuel and electricity subsidies. IMF again. So I don't know what you feel about that. I have my reservations, but what do you think? To be honest, speaking, all these cash transfer regimes or programs are effective in an organized economy. Where there are debtors, especially as the debtors who are living below the poverty line, that require to be paid, that require to be helped and watered. Yeah, and I didn't know that statistics is very opaque in Nigeria. And you see what has happened of recent, while the Minister of Humanitarian Affair and I think that of this internal affair and top billions of Naira have to be voted to attend to do research to get data as regards those who should not nearly be paid out in respect to some of these cash transfer programs. Whereas you and I didn't know. Now, before you even begin to think about those programs, what you have done is get statistics before you even begin to think about the program. And we do have the organs and structures in this country to help us get those statistics. Say for example, the Federal Ministry of Statistics, they are all over the country and they have been there since the independence. So why such persons are not being needed to get some of these things or that we may have an individual that we have to contest such programs to private companies. We don't even have the statistics. We don't have the resources. We don't have the reach to get all the details and then when it comes to statistics as it was to be done. Furthermore, if we look around the world, there are very few places where this cash transfer program has really helped people out of the poverty. I know they've done it in India before. I know they have done it in Pakistan and Noura. But other than the programs of the people in Noura, you find that in most of those places, the people are thinking to more and more update their properties in Noura because once you transfer this money to Noura, other than invest the money, the people who get the money will just see the money to sell their immediate needs, buy food stock, cook a pot of steel, maybe pay their students who fees so that life goes on. These are not people who could wait and invest the money to really begin to turn their lives around and vulnerable. So we need to be more sensitive to the nature of our environment as regards the way and manner we're going to build our discipline. The IMF program works in an organized environment. We are there as statistics. We are people that are sensitive. We are there all sorts of safety measures. So we may be able to help the poor people, the indigent people. The people are living below the poverty line in the different countries of the world. We are not in that bracket as a nation. And of course, once you begin to do this kind of corruption, political decisions will influence it. It is not impossible and it has been alleged in the past that some politicians need the opportunity to smuggle their supporters, those who vote for them into all these cash transfer programs which at the end of the day does not get to the place where they should even get to. I was also reading the paper not too long ago that some of the people who benefit from some of this really don't have a bank account. And even if they do have a bank account, those accounts will have been shot down now because most of them will not have their DVA. Most of them will not have their NIN. Because we have been told that the Nigerian data management, the NINC, and then also the banks and others don't have branches. In some of these local governments, we have been told that NIN could be provided for the people so that the cash transfer regime or the money will be transferred to the different accounts and the thing can work seamlessly. I have been told that the capacity of the NINC to provide NINC for the Nigerian people is that it still requires more than one million people still required to be provided with NINC. This is for the people, I mean for the business, the different banks and others. It's not too good to begin to visit the dictate of the NINC. NINC has been responsible for the collapse of government, for the poverty in some different countries. The second NINC, the Latin American countries, is to be wary of them. And let's also remember what the geologist, Mubasa, just said. So you don't want to say that Mubasa just told him that, look, this is to the INA when they talk to you, but the wary of implementing their program. I think that is the kind of window that we should apply. In the second NINC, they are asking us not to subsidize anything, agricultural, transportation, education, power and water. We are asking the own country where they come from, in Britain, in America and others. But generally all this is unsubsidized. And asking us not to subsidize those things, Mr. Contagion and OK, we are people who are even more poor. We are getting no food stand for people. It's to me, suicide. It's to me, suicide. It should be wary of the INA's recommendations in that respect. Everybody is just getting tired of these external influences. What do you expect when we keep going cup in hand to borrow and borrow and borrow? They say, if you take care of today, tomorrow will take care of itself. The whole problems that we are having now started with the fuel subsidy removal. And they are advising us to give pitans to people. 20,000 Naira will not even buy a bag of Gary right now. You are not talking about rice, which is like four times of that amount or even four plus of that amount. And they are saying, why many people will even get it when it comes to that? I'm thinking about, whenever I talk about this thing, I think about the people in my village that I can identify as poor people. They can't even move to the next village except they are trekking. And they are asking them to come with BVN, with NIN, people that don't even have. They don't even have any idea about that. Exactly. There was a time in the time. And the NINC and the banks and all that, they don't even have the capacity to provide those things for them now. What is so difficult? Because in the time of... In the time of... The NINC we are talking about, that program started in 1979, from that day I like to say, we should have got the presidency. And that is what we are still battling with up till now. From 1979. You know? I don't know. Maybe there is this duplication of offices. I don't know. But in the time of Basan Joe, there was this national identity program, where every village had officers that were doing this national identity. And everybody was captured, no matter how old, how poor, whatever, because it's in your village. I don't know why that is not... We cannot bring back such a thing for NINC. Let's remind ourselves that in the past, the national security office of statistics used to have offices of different local governments all over the country. Apart from that, they had the state level. You know, the different local government, the federal office of statistics had offices in all those places. And this is for the purpose of capturing some of these data that you are talking about. I'm not to show whether they have written those offices, and if they have written them, whether it is credit, resources and funds have been made available to them. So they have to carry out some of these very, very crucial and essential functions that the federal office of statistics has been trying to do. Well, there's another one. You said that a lot of the things that happen in Nigeria are caused by us. And this story maybe just explains that. And when I read it, it was very, very worrisome to me. The BUA, the Bois cement, said why we couldn't sustain selling cement for 3,500 Naira. Now, last year you remember that there was this story that Bois has said they were going to reduce the price of cement back to 3,500 Naira. And everybody was clapping. At some point, we didn't see the 3,500 Naira cement anymore. And Bois is coming out to say that they did implement it, but the middlemen were the ones who prevented those who needed it to have it at 3,500 Naira. And the shame was shaming me, as we say in Nigeria. I don't even know how to explain this, how to say this. I don't know what you think about it. If a company is true to its words, and the middlemen are preventing that largesse, let me call it largesse now, that they are giving to the people, to reach the people, from reaching the people. Let's be very, very careful. Why do I say this? They are turned by the federal government to dictate the prices at which cement was going to be sold for me. And it's neither here nor there. It's like making a decree under a military regime as regards how prices of goods and services will be sold. Yeah, and I will remember. All efforts in the past since independence to regulate the prices of goods and services in Nigeria in most parts of the world have never worked. It had always been those products and services and those who sell them underground. Large black market platforms where goods and services that are regulated have been sold. The truth of the matter is that there is no way any cement company in Nigeria today can keep the price of cement at $3,500. Why do I say this? People do, most of the raw material that they use like lime and water are gotten in Nigeria. We must remember that they also use electricity. We must remember that they also buy goods to power their plants and other. We must also remember that they have to freight their goods and services to their company, their cement, from different parts of the country to the other. You must also remember their other overhead costs and water fees. Taxes at the local government level, at the federal level and then at the state level. When you put all this in place into the production of cement and other, you and I will know that it is wishful thinking that the federal government needs the government to be dictated for the cement and other that they should be selling their product at $3,500 per part. The producers who are telling us it is the middlemen who are the cause of their inability to sell at that price are just being economically with the truth. In the first instance, they merely agreed or merely respected the federal government by saying at that point at the time that they are going to be selling at $3,500 per part. They wouldn't want to believe the federal government. But they do know that in reality that is not possible. For us to be able to buy cement at $3,500, if that would ever be possible in the next 10 or 20 years, you would have to look at some of those in terms of prevention. Kizu, which I am told sells for about $1,100 per part now. And of course petroleum and also spare parts for vehicles so you can imagine how much a sale ahead is going to cost now giving the difference between the Naira and the dollar between the Naira empire between the Naira and Europe you have to import those costs. Yeah, but this is the problem. There are different parts of the country but all of these are increased by the people position. I understand what you are saying. I understand what you are saying. I totally agree with you that it is going to be difficult. How do you dictate to someone how to sell his things when you are not helping him to buy? But the problem here right now is that even when these people have agreed to do the needful there are people who are not government that are preventing that from happening. For instance, let me give you another example. Now you go into the streets in a lot of places they are selling a sachet of what we call pure water for 50 Naira and when you go to the companies that are selling this water to them some of these companies are still selling a bag of 20 of these sachets for 250. The highest I have seen is 300 Naira but they are selling one for 50 Naira. That means you are going to have a thousand Naira per bag. So it is not now the fault of the people who are supplying the water but the people who are in the middle of it. When inflation is this much and not that we should not I mean there is no doubt that there will be some racket here and there and there are people trying to take advantage and make a jumbo profit at the expense of the ordinary consumers on the streets. Those things are not impossible. There are things that happen given the circumstances that we have in our hands. The government can step into some of those areas and make sure that those things that never don't happen all the time. But that itself is also going to be very difficult. Why do I say that? I have spoken with some women who say some of those things are not okay. They told me that the reason why they do that is that when they go back to renew their stock when they want to return their stock is to sold out another. Most times when they go to renew their stock they don't meet the price. They don't meet the cost at which they bought the one they sold who most times have become different by the time they go to return their stock. So in order to be able to return their stock, they must anticipate that there might be an increase in the old state price from where they are trying to put it on it. They cannot speculate the thing and then so that if and so if they get in there and the price on the producer of change and all that, they will not be at the low. So that is what is happening. The way out of that is to stabilize in Naira and make sure that raw materials increase into manufacturing processes are not sold for the people who use them, get them at a fairly good price. We understand all that and we would like to appeal to the people who like the pure water I was using anytime you go back to the company they are still selling you at the same price so why are you hiking the prices? For other things we will understand this segment that we were talking about if the company agreed to be selling at 3.5 or lower than that so that the people will get it at 3.5 why? So don't you think we should start defining or redefining the role of the middleman in our economy where these problems are coming from the middleman? It is possible, there is no doubt about that it is possible for example you go to some other countries of the world and all that you find that the goods that you bought some 10 years ago but can you go back to that country after 10 years and all that the price might still remain the same without any significant changes or changes in the price of those goods it is possible when the currency of the country is very very stable that is possible so that more, that is possible where there are statistics as regards how you can manage or regulate the economy but the challenges that we have in our circumstances our currencies are never stable and more importantly you must remember that even though there is more I mean, businesses should go back into their business too many times business is not about morality it is about making a profit and most time it is in crisis situation that some people who have not really become a millionaire that is why you find out in world situation where you and I will not be too eager to be dealing in arms and ammunition some other persons will take advantage and begin to deal in arms and ammunition not minding what their beliefs are not minding what their religions are not minding the consequences of their actions and war as well so morality and businesses even though it is good they could be helpful most times businessmen think about profit more than morals and ethics when they are doing their business so longer they do not fall far of the law they want to continue doing their business the way they used to do it well falling far of the law we will have to talk about that another time because we don't know let's move on to nature news nature news is next so we still have this story we honored 3500 promise a bag of cement now food crisis don't back food importation I don't know what you think is food importation really a solution especially in the long run to Nigeria's food crisis honestly within among some circle of things we have been having this debate as regards whether the government will require to import food or teach the people to plant whatever food items they require and then be able to feed for them but the truth of the matter is that the money is based on salvation asking or telling such a person to make himself available for to be taught how to plant grains how to plant legumes how to fish oneself or be able to feed themselves and all that by the time in the process of teaching and in the process of inquiry and the process of investment whatever has been taught to do the problem will have died before those things give some good results so the analogy I'm making is that with the crisis we have in our hand now in which a very good carrying items food items from different parts of the country are being attacked and the food items are being looted this is a constant in which warehouses warefields are coming, warefields are coming warefields are coming kept from food items for emergency use are not being looted and looted we may require the federal government may require to import some good items to cross the prices of the food items in the market today and then to make these food items immediately available to the people so you will teach them how to plant what they need using the level of insecurity in the rural areas the hunger and starvation in the country today where people are beginning to serve their children to be able to eat and order the situation is very very dire I would in my own opinion advise and recommend for a short time maybe for a period of six months import food items into the country make it available to the people to distribute them at very cheap prices to be able to make the items available and then cash to provide this of the existing food items in the market and also use that period to go back to the land and begin to plant food or agricultural products in a very massive manner because as I said we are not going to be importing the food but we have done that so the farmers we are still not importing machinery are using seeds we cannot go back to the farm so how would we solve the problem if we are not going to import importation to me maybe the thing to do today import fish, import chicken import egg and also import grains, legumes and water at least for a period of six months so that we are able to dash and dash the attention and stop people from looting the different warehouses and then the trucks that are flying the country and then the food items yeah because that's really important I don't know agricultural, agric extension officers disappeared from our farms from our villages, I don't know why we don't have mechanized farming because at some point the local governments were having tractors and other things, farm imputes that people could use and we don't see those things anymore in Nigeria we don't see dry season farming that much because irrigation farming is not that much in the south at least I don't know about the north but in the south we don't find them these are things that we need and if we get this instead of even opening the borders we can start exporting food items but like you said a period of six months will not kill us exactly I take your analogy from where you start look at a country like Ukraine that country has been at war for about two years do you know as in terms of the war they are still exporting wheat and some other grains and water they even gave us some grains most of the arms that are used now especially some of the long-distance weapons that they are using they are not beginning to produce those things in their own country they are also producing clones and some other armaments that is to say that despite the war that is taking some of those countries and other research and development they still have been able to find the way around their agricultural production activities and other so that their people are not a start a war that has lasted two years and we are not yearning for any sort of salvation or hunger in a country like Spain I think for me that is food for thought as the people but we in Nigeria we have been at war with Bukwara we have been at war with Bandis for about 15 years or they are about and because of that we have abandoned the farm now we have abandoned the rural area we have not been able to secure we have not been able to protect the farmer that is a lot of danger in the horizon as regards the rural areas we talk about the cultural, the officers, the friends I mean how to reach a program that we used to take into this in Anola well immediately we begin to sell a we are making huge money for meat and water we abandoned the farmer and people also abandoned the rural area I think we have lost the audio from Tunde Kola Wole we are hoping he could rejoin us a little bit in a moment because we still have some time on our hands before we end this paper review in the meantime I will just take some of the headlines that we have not touched hoping that if he returns we are going to continue with it on the punch newspaper we have Nigeria's electricity, fuel, subsidies may gulp 7 trillion Naira that is according to IMF we have dealt with IMF and we may not go back to that again Army chief dismisses coup calls demands good leadership that is on the punch newspaper we also have federal government food smuggling government intercepts 141 green trucks drivers threaten strike over attacks the riders there customs cease 120 smuggled green trucks EFCC intercepts 21 Tinobu other sale of forfeited food now truck owners threaten to stop transporting food over attacks say no insurance for looted food stuff those are some of the headlines there okay Mr. Kolewole has rejoined us Mr. Kolewole we lost your audio at some point glad to know that you are back some is a very dirty job I think documentaries with farmers in France and wine makers in France are abandoning the farm some of them are committing suicide because we think farming is not enough to make ends meet some are selling their farmland and then going to other businesses not too long ago we have also seen farmers and Pakistan and Germany backing on a strike and then occupying the city centre because they think farming is no longer able to guarantee them a decent living the same challenges we are also facing in Nigeria and water these are some of the reasons why farming has collapsed in the rural area where most of the young people who ordinarily should take off farming from their parents have abandoned the farm and migrated to the urban centres to look for blue colour jobs in the different centres and in the different city centres if we are going to be attacking and young hens of farming we must make the rural areas a liveable electricity in the pipe and good network of roads and internet policies except we do that we will continue to face the kind of challenges that we are having now in the area of agricultural production so it is not just the bandages it is not just the insecurity farming all over the world because it declined not many people want to take to farming because it is bigger, it is dirty it is no longer as lucrative as it used to be so some things are right you must provide incentives for these farmers in form of subsidies and make life comfortable for them wherever they may be or wherever they might be in their farming and now it's not just a matter of not being able to farm even the products that we have the drivers are threatening to stop transporting because the food smuggling federal government intercepts 141 green trucks drivers threaten strike over attacks now you know that food trucks are being attacked people are looting the food everything is connected and unfortunately the minister of agriculture came out and said that what happened in Abuja for instance is not hunger is criminality and all that yes a lot of people me inclusive we will not say people should loot other people's properties no matter what it is people should not steal and all that but hunger can lead a lot of people to desperation and things like this will happen now if the food if the truck drivers down their tools and say they are not going to transport this food anymore that is another wahala as we would like to say it in Nigeria I don't know very very serious wahalas because the whole economy almost short-term because those trucks the activities are the bandwagon effect or what happens in the other sectors of the major economy for example it is not just food attacking the transport they also use food items they also use this stuff to bring down some other things down south besides those truck drivers and all that also buy diesel so if they are not working diesel they also have motor boys and loaders and water and some of those market movements and then children whose life are dependent on the activities of those truck and truck drivers and all that as much as possible find a way not to get the truck drivers to really pull out their trucks because if they do the consequences, I mean the situation in the country today will get worse and I am also sorry to say the Minister of Agriculture shouldn't be talking the way he is talking we should be sensitive to the plight of our people but very less on gas should not be a justification or a leasing from a looter to begin to steal but then we must be careful that not all people will be able to uphold their morality not all people will be able to uphold their ethics not all people will be able to say look in spite of this anger I am not going to do anything that will make me fall far of the law and because of that we should not even push people to commit crimes for them to be able to make ends meet say for example our young people who are doing who are trapping, who are fleeing the country they go by all these rickety boats across the Atlantic Ocean, Indian Ocean and Northern with the need to get into Europe and America in fact of a better life do you know when you interview some of these people about the areas they are taking they will just look what is the value of my life in the country why don't I even take the risk of going by rickety boats to Europe and even the process I have heard in the Atlantic Ocean and the fish is with me those fishes will become fatter and when they become fatter when some fishermen kind of get them another they will sell them and then my people might be one of those people who will benefit from eating those fish and they get to the planet and what have so these are the kind of fatalities these are the kind of thinking that you will find in the minds of those who go to government warehouses who lose those folks that are taking food items from one part of the country the only man is an angry man talking about religion, talking about belief so somebody so much is empty now I am full of you know it is a very very futile effort I saw a story a few weeks ago where robbers entered a house and all they took was a bag of gary a pot of soup and so many other things they left the phones, they left every other valuables they took the pot of soup they took the rice that was cooked and was put in the fridge and everything that they could find that was food and left but these people are classified as thieves but you will find out that they are thieves for a reason stealing is still bad in any ramification anyway we have also seen a situation in some of these areas too in which people go out even when they are cooking their pot of soup or food before they turn around some other person has gone to do pot of soup that is on fire food is being cooked and all that they empty the pot and disappear into clean air and these are some of the reports we also get in some of these places and all that to protest or to so if a man goes to commit burglary and all that he took the pot of rice and then the pot of soup and then maybe a bottle of water you can almost guess that the reason why he has gone to do the burglary or to steal and lower is the out of a serious hunger and this strength we shouldn't push our people to that level there is no person even to beg because the person you are begging might even turn around to beg you too because the situation is biting everybody now 767 manufacturers shot down in 2023 that's according to manufacturers association of Nigeria that's another story on the punch aha isn't that a frightening perspective I mean isn't that a frightening story my brother when setting on that company shot down within one year we have to take out the numbers of all those who are shot down before that time and since the beginning of these 2000 and of course some other companies are shot down the implications of that is very big one, people will lose their jobs isn't it one, production activities go with the living of those companies and what are they what those who sell raw material and provide something to those companies and others are also out of jobs and what are they so these are very very frightening specters and what are they that the local government the state government and then the federal government require to sit down with experts and they are a great people, great minds in our universities in the business communities and others who can provide solutions to some of these problems and the commercial companies also came out and think at the 37th birthday ceremony that Zimbabwe had once witnessed the kind of thing that we are witnessing now that the federal government should go and talk to Zimbabwe and find out how they were able to manage the situation those are the kind of things I would recommend to the local government as well but even without looking at Zimbabwe I am convinced that Nigerians have enough expertise we have enough men and women who could provide solutions immediate solutions to some of these problems but that is going to be possible but that will only be done if the political parties, the positions and others will also have to claim their greed they will have to claim their greed if they don't claim their greed nobody is going to stick out its net because we don't have enough to do hmm ok let's move to other news still in the punch newspaper we have Ami Chief dismisses coup calls, demands good leadership you know they have been this talk about the fact that they may be a coup and they are whispers all around the country and all that so he has come out to say that there is nothing like a coup coming up he has dismissed that and his calling in the same breath for good leadership I just like your comment on it honestly speaking when you look at our history of the nation when you look at our trajectory as the people you also look around the world and not we want to agree with him that the coup is not a solution to any society or any country more especially our own problems generally given as a consensus why do I say this most time the military men don't have the expertise to run society the way they should be run say for example the development of the giant strike that Nigeria made in the Second Republic look at the giant strike that Nigeria made in the Second Republic look at also the giant strike that was made in spite of all the challenges that are not it's 1999 the politicians in spite of their decisions that are not not they are more proactive some will look in the last few years on what they are about also in a factualized area with giving us a two way line lines now they have also invested in mass policies in terms of banning a budget and water in spite of the fact that the military had more money when they were in power and water they never thought about this program imagine when the country had the money under the military they had done on the grand transportation system they have expanded the road all over the country they had invested massively in agriculture and then they had invested in water it wouldn't be in the kind of dilemma that we have today so to the extent that the military are not trained to manage the strike they don't have the expertise most of their programs are hard talk hard talk a program a design program on a natural basis so it is the usual setback for anybody to be thinking or to be encouraging the military to come back to power in Nigeria because of the crisis that we have in our country how can we even say that they are not part and parcel or that they didn't contribute to the problem that we have in our country they are not they cannot totally be incorporated from some of the problems we have in our country and to the army chiefs that is what they always say most of the army chiefs are not the problem it is the anchor fact look at the group that are taking place in the Tairi job they are mainly inspired by the middle class officers the lieutenant colonel the captain, the lieutenant and the middle and water in fact the army general has an example of this on the keg of gun powder because if it is the anchor fact if it is the middle class officers they are not spared the consequences of the coup d'etat from the junior officers and water the solution to this problem is for us as a nation to make sure that we begin to find immediate solution in terms of unemployment in terms of hunger in terms of insecurity and water the officers have benefited immensely from the civil democracy system that we have in the country that met with the senior officers to make sure they will not be dreaming and they will not be playing and they wouldn't want any coup d'etat because they are also beneficiary of the stable political system and regime that we are more important than the two when they leave the service it is almost them as governor as senator, as house of rest member and have inspired and become president two of their men have become president within the last few years so there is no justification whatsoever for any of them to begin to live their life to carry out the coup for whatever to pander to the details or to the pressure that are coming from selfish and greedy and unquestionable and people who are not thinking too deeply as to get the consequences of what they are promoting okay let me just say this last one bring this to your attention on the Guardian newspaper there is a small headline the background is red let me describe it well alleged bribe alleged dollar bribe court stops Ganduja's probe you are a lawyer so I'm just telling you as a lawyer and I'm asking you things like this why do they even happen where law is the profession of what the court will see most times we read these things in the paper and begin to become judgmental to condemn people and others when the fact of the story we don't even know the truth of the matter is the court does not base its decision on speculation on what is published in the newspapers and what are the and then on some of these videos that could be produced or that could be made using artificial intelligence and some other methods of producing concrete facts everything the court will be able to to get whatever judgment whatever decision and then whatever solution I mean a resolution you want the court to be able to do I am sure that the court will not have stopped the proof without some facts without some evidence but we will not stop this there is always the opportunity for either the U.S.C.P.C the I.C.P.C. over the special fraud units in the Nigerian police to appeal whatever decision has been made at the lower court the high court to the Supreme Court look at the case of the former let me just ask you because we're running out of time let me just ask you we're running out of time let me just ask you this what is the rationale behind stopping a probe when you can just discharge and quit that person and say he didn't do any wrong after everything this is a probe we are finding out whether you did it or you didn't do it and you're just stopping it so why not let it get to the point where this person will be pronounced not guilty that's my problem you know when you are also doing a probe there are steps that you have to follow you have to begin to do a probe for probing sake even the process of doing a probe you have violated the fundamental rights of the person you are probing of course the court will hold the probe I give you an example look at what's happened in the incubator government in Mundo State and Nora I'm sorry to say from people who appear to mean to be in a hurry to take over from Makhre Zulu and then the petition all stopped deputy governor becomes the governor wanted to quickly organize an impeachment proceeding against the governor at Nora and then I think they approached the court too they approached the chief judge of the state to constitute a panel Nora but the chief judge I think refused to do it and then they also went to the court and then stopped the move to impeach the deputy governor who is now the governor that the court was able to leave him in the line that this is about quality it's not about that the man has committed any infarction is that people want to stop him and want to stop them from becoming the governor or they themselves want to see the governor and that's why they stopped in the case of Gandhiji the park has seen not our disposal it is not impossible that all the requirements all the steps that those who are probing Gandhiji should take that is why the court is stopping the depot because if you violate the fundamental rights of the decision and the president is trying to probe him because he wants to bring him to justice of course the court will not find for you because he's patient if you want to do this okay let's be patient that's a good way to wrap it up this morning on of the press we'd like to thank you Mr. Kola Wole for coming and sharing your thoughts on the program today thanks for having me take place another lovely day it's been a lot of fun in Legos we didn't know what it was because Legos has become very hot it's everywhere okay we've been talking with Mr. Tunde Kola Wole a legal practitioner here in Legos state we were looking at the headlines we'll take a short break and when we return we'll be looking at a hot topic which focuses on women stay with us