 So welcome to the Dr. Gundry podcast, you know, I'm really looking forward to today's guest We've been trying to get her on and you're gonna be so excited She's a life coach for dogs and their people and this is Tom our Geller She works with so many celebrities. I can't keep track of them including Oprah Ellen Kelly Ripka and Ben Althack Now many of you know, I own dogs usually a lot of them and Going for a walk or a run with them is really I think the most peaceful and centering parts of my day And I've written a lot about this So today we're going to talk about the health benefits dogs provide you and what you can do to keep them healthy and I understand that you actually eat mostly plant paradox. So is that true? I'm a huge friend of your work I'm huge huge huge huge friend and you know, I've been eating like that way for a long time But nobody was corroborating what I was feeling because I grew up in the Middle East grew up in Israel so then you came with your information and Ta-da, so that's the end of our show today. Thank you very much. Thank you So speaking of Israel you you were a Army intelligence officer. I was intelligence officer with the elite special forces Yes, and I was focusing on behavior. Yeah, so you were trying to get the troops to behave or You know, it's really funny because if you think about Osama bin Laden the way they caught him It was the delivery guy who was delivering his medicine that that's at the track where he was staying My job was to pay attention to the unimportant people and to pay attention to their behaviors So I was completely nobody's important pain to the unimportant people because oftentimes These are the key to do or undo a mission. So So, how do you go from there? to To listening to dogs, you're not a dog whisperer, right? You're a dog listener. So How do you how do you do that? You know dr. Gandhi, it's one of the most incredible things in life Because what happened to me? I had a dream. I never intended to work with dogs. I like dogs I was not a dog lover. I was a dog liker and I thought I had a plan to become a therapist and To focus on holocaust survivors and all of that because that's my family and I really wanted to understand the family and Then I had a dream when I was helping Research of wolf behavior and bird behavior in the desert and the dream said you must work with dogs And it really rattled me, but I still didn't know how to go about it you know, I'm a nobody in Israel and Life started happening for me and one thing led to another and I came here for a visit I had the dream of volunteered for a dog trainer for a minute and one thing just Introduced me to people I became the resident dog expert for the today show Simon and Schuster chased me down to write a book about my method opera my beloved angel called the CEO of Simon and Schuster said I want to launch her book and The rest is history, but I really didn't do it I really truly believe that there are bigger forces that support each one of us if we're really going for what our calling is and We're serving the greater good. Yeah, that's absolutely true So you just put it out there. Yes, and I mean did a dog show up on your doorstep or no The detail I'd happen is I was already a meditator at age 19 I changed my diet and I became a meditator and I went to listen to a lecture on Meditation and I walk into a room full of people and I didn't know anybody and there was a dog in the corner So I went to talk to the dog because I just finished studying wolves in the wild and their behavior which was completely mind-opening and I went and interacted with him and the guy was giving the lectures came running tomorrow You can't talk to the dog. You can't be with him. He's not nice to people meanwhile the dog and me are French kissing so We became friends and at one point he needed somebody to go to Southeast Asia To take pictures of Sri Lanka and Singapore places that I would find interesting because he was trying to reach my generation I was in my 20s and He sent me there in my ticket. You're now in your 30s, right? Thank you. Thanks to your diet. I'm in my 50s. We're D. H. You know I agree with that. Well, that's your new book. That's the new book. That's a new book coming up. I love it. I hope it has my picture on it Anyhow so Instead of going for two weeks to Southeast Asia end up staying a year So when I came to United States instead of staying just for a week end up staying 30 something years now Following it just one thing led to another. I truly just had the dream that would not leave me alone You know, it's a great point because I on the way over here. I was listening to an album from Ibiza Ibiza, sorry and they there's this ongoing rap through this song of Obama giving one of his speeches to kids and Basically, he says in the speech You have to get an education and you're gonna be great all of us have a talent Yes, no matter how you know little or how big all of us has a unique talent Yes, and it's your job to find that talent and foster it and I don't care what your talent is Yes, but you have one. Yes, and this is in a rap song and Obama's voice So on the way over here and you just found your talent So when the first time I stayed with Oprah She taught me about what just happened that you just listened to it and I just talked about it Oprah talked me that it's called God's wink and the first time I stayed with her She put a little book by my bed and she came in the morning and she said did you read that book? And I said no and she said read it and she said of the food in my bed and waited She is such a magnificent caring human being and and he talks about the Synchronicities or the unimportant things that all of a sudden sync with something else within a short period of time And what it is if we walk around life Recognizing those Godwinks There's a part of a magic. It's almost like Einstein when he said either you see everything is a miracle or nothing at all Very so how do you go through life? Are you look at your talent that is not important enough or you look at the talent that Obama was talking about and You realize no, that is my way to contribute to the tapestry of life that we're all a part of No, absolutely. You know, yeah, so that's what was beautiful that we just had a God's wink you and me There you go. So okay getting back to dog. Let's get to your talent. So what makes your you know training so unique? You're not a dog whisperer. No No, so here's what it is. I do not believe in obedience. I Do not believe in obedience and the reason why is if you think about it Nobody gets a dog because they want more obedience in the life Everybody gets a dog because they want more love in the life We have science and I'm a big believer in science and science shows us the dogs cognitively and emotionally a very much like a human toddler and The way we raise children today is no longer the way we did in the 1950s, which is about obedience True. If we know that they are like dog that they're like human toddler and we change the way they raise kids in to empower the kid to find their own talent to be the best version of themselves Then that's what I do with the dog. I look at the dog and I'm saying how can I serve you and serve your dog parents Meaning what is your gift? Where are the? Weaknesses that I need to heal you to help you so you can be the best kind of what you're doing with food The other thing that I'm doing which you're doing too. You're not looking when somebody comes to you with a problem You're not looking at that problem. You're looking at the whole yesterday Somebody came to me with a puppy nine weeks old and she said all I need is housebreaking Two hours later. We didn't even start with house breaking because what we found out right away is the dog Has fear of even stepping from here to you He was completely terrified and I said what we need to teach the dog is life skills How not to be afraid because if a dog is afraid your life is not gonna turn out the way you want More than if your dog is not house broken. We will get to the house breaking But right now it's kind of like you as a physician. You have to prioritize What's the first most important thing and that's what I do from an holistic point of view? So it's completely not dog training as usual Just like you what you're not doing what you're doing is not so are you person training secretly or? Well, that's what offers a little secret or I Truly don't see myself Qualified to tell anybody about their life. I know everybody is now a life coach. I do not see myself qualified for that But what does happen is when I introduce people to a different way of looking at their dog and assessing Situation and looking at the diet as a contributor contributor to how we Feel and how we behave Then all of a sudden they're starting to say wait a minute. I tried it with my husband. I tried it with my wife I tried it with my children So just by them practicing it with their dog All of a sudden it's a tool that works and then they're trying to tool in other aspects of their life But I'm not coming from a place of let me teach you I'm not Is there a right dog or a wrong dog for some for somebody I actually agree with that and it's not about a breed It's about your lifestyle. So right now. I'm dealing with a husky puppy husky Very very hyper that they got for an 11 year old boy with severe ADHD and they want the kids to You know teach the dog and it's like taking two dynamites You know and expecting not to be explosive It's not gonna work. It just not gonna work and it breaks my heart because that husky with a person who gonna exercise them we're gonna hike them we're gonna You know be there for them that asking gonna be phenomenal, but right now is the wrong combination It's kind of like dating. It's not that the dog is wrong just like we did inside of the person is wrong It's just who is the best matching for your lifestyle for your values for your time Management, that's what I'm looking to see how can I Mitch because not all Labrador's are the same you have two golden doodles Labrador's they're not the same personality. No, you know, and that's kind of like, you know I mean one is mellow and you laid back kind of very yodish big 85 pound Labrador Yeah, and the other ones is just a little dynamo and you know wants to play constantly And you know if I'm sitting on the couch in the morning She's sitting there batting my hand Yeah, saying come on, you know stop come on. Let's go And the other ones just sitting there going So that's what I'm trying to teach people don't go by a breed. Let's get rid of the nonsense of a breed Let's look up of the individuals and that's why I would really like people to get a little bit older dog Preferably from a rescue preferably fostering so you can date the dog and see if it makes sense If that dog is a good one for marriage. Oh, I love that. So we're gonna dog date Yes, just like you date to see if you can marry that person if you can deal with their issues Because we know the things that work out. But what about the things that we disagree with? You know, I mean, I love you story when you talk about your wife when she went to menopause And you were freezing your butt in that hotel And it's kind of like very true, you know what I mean? You if it's forever you wouldn't you may not be able to sleep in the same bedroom and ultimately it's gonna impact your marriage Yeah, so you gotta look at things. Is it a temporary issue or is it a permanent issue? What is with the person whether it's with the dog? So and so a lot a lot of shelters will let you foster a dog Shelters know but rescue organization and they have rescue organization that are rigid and you have rescue organizations that are benevolent So it's kind of like with anything else. You have to find the benevolent one who would like for the dog to date because most of us who foster dogs we become Foster failure where meaning we keep the dogs My my wife has a very dear friend who fosters dogs and she'll foster sometimes ten dogs And she unfortunately has a very large collection of dogs now and she's perfectly capable of taking care of them But you're right. I think you're right most foster families Unfortunately adopt the dog, which is great, which is fantastic because what it is that try because to choose a dog based on look It's like choosing a life mate based on look. It is ridiculous But wait a minute. That's how most people do it, right? It's ridiculous. That's what we have more than 60% Divorce rate and you know there was just a research They did a research on loneliness on people feeling lonely in 62.5% of people who said they are lonely were married Hmm So when you look at that and again, we already established the dogs They have very similar brain to human toddler meaning they're not a different than us Then let's not make mistakes with dogs that we make mistake with people if you're dumped in a relationship Which we all have it's heartbreaking If you're a dog and somebody dump you in a relationship and you end up in the shelter you have the label of defective Not that your people Where have the issue? It's you have the issue. So you can see I have a lot of work at hand to change the way society label You know, that's a great point. I just finishing a book called the elephant whisperer and don't know if you know it Elephant So you you got to get this it's a guy who has a game preserve in I think Uganda, but it doesn't really matter and He didn't have any elephants and he gets a call from Another game preserve saying we've got a family of rogue elephants. They are Intolerant of humans they break out they ravage the villages blah blah blah and we're gonna we're gonna put them down But any interest in these elephants and the guy says Uh, yeah, I don't know anything about elephants, but you know, I know a lot about animals So he builds this big elephant area and they break out and they Have to go get them and he says this is not going to work He says I this is not a bad animal Something has made this animal bad and it turns out that these animals had what witness these people kill two of the matriarchs So he basically Yeah, so he basically Basically sat at the edge of this enclosure Camped there with a friend and every time they made it a charge He would get up and say no, no, no, it's just me. You don't have to leave. You're safe here He would talk to them and long story short They became you know part of his family these rogue elephants It was all because there was an incident where for good reason they distrusted humans traumatic And he said hey, I'm right in your way. In fact later on the book He picks up another rogue elephant and she literally Tries to kill him run him over and at the last second the elephant who he rescued Wacked her and picked her off and she eventually you know came around But that element saved his life So you see we don't have to go to Uganda to do it because we have so many dogs With ptsd with post-traumatic stress disorder That people gave to them under the guise of dog training and i'm not even faulting people because most people do not know That there's a different way of doing things Which is my method What is a look at the dog and how can I help you be everything that you can be the way you look at the body The way you look at the human being Versus You know, let me harness you with medication with strong medication with obedience with chalk chain with front collars No, no, no, no. Can we all work together? To bring each other You know to be the whole to let's get rid of emotional injuries So, you know, we have a rescue dog And he came to us very late in his life. He actually was found on the streets of Skid Row and wow and he was he was rescued by a young man who Got busy and couldn't keep him and he was given to his mother who lived out in the desert and she Unfortunately recently a couple years ago died of cancer And he looks his name is george and he looks like a wheaton that I had called george who passed away And so george, she said would you take him? I said, oh, yeah, his name is george How could I know he's half wheaton But he was the most standoffish dog and just didn't become a part of the pack would never come to you And so just every day I just sit on the floor and and wait and as he go by I'd give his ear a little scratch And you just keep walking by Well, eventually now this guy we've had him for two years He now comes up puts his head on my knee And I scratch his head and we had a thunderstorm a few months ago Shaking like a leaf could not be controlled. I brought him up on the bed I locked him in my arms And he finally with his head just kind of sticking out Yeah, fine and he stopped shaking and my wife and my wife went Holy cow, you know this dog is you know part of the pack And he's now you know trusting in humans for the first time in his life. So it's really it's really exciting Isn't it most soul fulfilling most fulfilling on the deepest way to help somebody? I know I'm getting emotional, but I I mean, this is what I do what I do To see somebody not go through life without debilitating fear Yeah, you know, it just it's heartbreaking to see an innocent animal And he from what I could tell you had a horrible, you know, he had a horrible life But now we think he's 16 and we we kind of adopted him. So yeah, he's at the end of life Now the idiot wants to go for a three mile run every morning And you know and he's there wagging his tail going, okay, let's go. I'm part of the pack and so Beautiful So he'll outlive us all in the name of dogs. Thank you and your wife Well, thank you George So how did you get your start in your health journey? Let's let's shift over from dogs for a man. We'll come back to dogs Well, you know again oftentimes You know, some of the worst things that happen in our life in retrospect become the best thing in our life very true Very true So I was in In a set in a course to be an intelligence officer for the elite special forces And I was just I had high fever all the time and I was miserably tired all the time Turns out I had mono, but it was misdiagnosed for a long time And I the only doctor that helped me was an alternative doctor And what he did is he changed my diet completely Put me on It was insane because I was at the hospital for three weeks. I couldn't breathe I had one lung shot one lung operating at like 30 percent It was terrible because it was so overlooked and He put me on a diet that it was beyond clean I mean it was food combining. It was macobiotic no night shed vegetables He taught me how to meditate and he also not to not to tell me not to speak to my family to my parents for one year My parents sadly particularly my father had a narcissistic personality disorder which completely Create havoc on your on your system. I did not know it. There's a matter of fact. I just found that out Just like a month ago. Interesting. So I did not even know all of that But he knew it. But when I was 19, he changed my life And since I'm 19 I became a meditator I became completely devoted to knowing more what life in a part of it is the way you eat Part of it is is to really honor your body And to look at your body as a whole. That's what meditation. That's what dogs. That's what everything So I've been on that journey now You know for quite a few decades and that's what I was that's why I'm a huge fan of yours. These are not empty words because To see the journey that you've been on As a cardiologist and you say enough dealing with the symptom. Let's deal with the why let's deal with the cause It is phenomenal and your your book is the only cookbook that I use Oh, thank you. You know, I love it It's awesome because I can do stuff that I didn't know I could do Like now I can go back to eating pancakes, which I didn't get to eat for decades because I'm following You know, and they taste great. They're phenomenal. They'll be yummy. Yeah, they're phenomenal. Thank you Well, you know, that's one of the things we've really tried to do Is have food that you love but will love you back exactly and it can be done I'm a true follower of of your work because it is in line with my life's journey and with my work That's that's great to hear. No, it's sincere. Oh, thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you So, um, how come celebrities are so attracted to your training? You know When I wanted to get to know you years ago, it was impossible And the only way I could get to you is by using my celebrity connections So what happened is celebrities I think have The most access to innovation. That's true And that's what it is because I work a lot with regular people as a matter of fact It's easier for me to work with regular people Because they don't have a whole team around them that I need to work It's usually smaller houses regular schedule People listen Celebrities I can put, you know, that these are my clients and people go. Oh, okay You know, but in reality I work with everybody and I prefer to work with a common Man like me like you are dog lovers It's just easier life than with celebrities But to your answer just because they have more access to innovation and they want the method that is You know, going to connect them to love because they won't love I remember one time I was sitting with opera in front of her home in Montecito and I And we had a conversation in the center, you know, your dogs don't know that she's that you're opera And she goes that's why I love them And I think celebrities will always get yes people around them No without any shit of a doubt that the dogs love them Whether their movie was successful or tanked Whether they got 5 million 20 million for the movie whether the gain weight or lost weight Dogs are there for them consistently genuinely authentically without holding back And I'm the one who connects them and everybody To that part of the dog. I don't want a dog to be obedient to you I want your dog to be devoted to you completely different If the person you're in a relationship with is obedient to you or devoted to you And I think celebrities who are dealing with so much BS in their life Like a dog who is devoted to them because it's true. That's why Yeah, very true. I'll tell you a funny dog walking story. I've written about this When I moved Palm Springs, I was a Very world famous heart surgeon. I was out Kind of running my dogs through the neighborhood that we just moved in and a car pulls up And rolls down the window and they said, excuse me. Are you a dog walker? And so I came home and I said, you know, penny I can't believe it. You know, I'm recognized everywhere as a world famous heart surgeon now They think I'm a dog walker. She said, you know, this is very good for you And she she says I want you to think of yourself as nothing more than a dog walker and That's a good thing and I've written about it in in my books. You know, if I start the day realizing Me being a dog walker is a wonderful thing and a very high achievement And I'm I'm good with that. Yeah good. Anything from the Harry's a bonus. Yeah Anything else, you know, it's a bonus because my dogs like me for doing that Okay, so we've established that you listen to dogs and celebrities find you because They want to be loved by their dogs and they want, you know, they have access to Innovative things and and you know, I see a lot of celebrities as well. It's exactly and I think that's one of the reasons So but a normal person could call you and say hi come on over and you know, I got a Problem dog. Yes Is do you see mostly Problem dogs or do you just somebody says hey, I want to train my dog, you know, it's really funny I see two two type of clients either the client that I'm either the seventh Person that went to the 11th person that went to or I see puppies I really prefer to start with puppies because what I do I do not do dog training What I do is I look holistically at the dog and I'm saying where the red flags That if I'm not going to take care of it when they are young That's the only reason to get a puppy because puppies are pain in the neck If they were not cute, nobody would get a puppy. That's true. Okay. They're really a pain in the neck Grown-up dogs usually don't like puppies So when I get a puppy is because I want to catch the red flag When it's young so it will not develop and we can eradicate it Or I get those with the dogs being already traumatized Under the guise of dog training with prong colors with chalk chain when the person needs to be the master and the owner The dog needs to be submissive And all of that nonsense. I called it the Saddam Hussein method of governing You know where you are in charge and the dog is to be submissive I adhere more to the Gandhi way Of governing which you said I'm just a dog walker. If you remember Gandhi He was just making you know weaving all day that like, you know So I'd hear more to the Gandhi's way of doing things where he took a nation That was really third world, you know how to read or write and empower them To be more powerful the strongest empire at the time the British empire My job is not to put a dog down My job is to show the dog how to make the best decision possible meaning not to be impulsive And instead to regulate the emotions And how to think I wish somebody taught me that as a young kid. I wish as a society We would learn that not not not to be so triggered You know by somebody cutting us in traffic by somebody criticizing us or Or whatever. So I teach it to a dog from a young age when they come to me at a later age I change the diet I work with them on what you know, literally to create a new neuro pathway in the brain meaning not to go On what God's given impulsive way I literally teach them and practice with them how to think and to connect with me the mom the dog mom For feedback the way you teach a kid When your kid wants something and they look at you and you go or you go You know what I mean? I narrate every aspect of the dog's life. I built an unbelievable secure attachment. It's called In psychology the way you do it with young children Because the more you have a good secure attachment The more resourceful they are when they grow up So I do it either with a young puppy or with an older dog and when you go on my website on the testimonials I sometimes blown away when they give a testimony and say yeah, tom, I was the 11th person We came to and after one session I couldn't touch the dog now I'm kissing the dog in the face and I'm like I was the 11th Because I don't come in from a place of I know let me tell you I come from a place. Look, I developed a protocol I've been doing it for over 30 years Let's give it a shot if the protocol gonna work for you and it blows me away and humbles me How often the nut it does work, but it's a lot of homework for the people and I said please said it It took a lot of homework. I don't have a magic dust You have to follow what I'm telling you So you give them a little hand out and say, okay, they write down in their handwriting As we're going through the session because as you know when you write down you remember I was everything that is available For them to be a partner. So it's the dog and them and me We are like the three legs of the stool We become a partnership We are going to be there for you, but you need to be there for your dog Because if you're not there's nothing I can help you. It's kind of they can come to you But if they're not following You know, what can you do? Right and so many people the same thing. I see a lot of people Who have been to you know, 11 12 right doctors universities and they're labeled with something and You know, I'm the kind of the last person Yes recently Saw a young actress who I won't mention the name Who had been diagnosed with idiopathic eutica area All of a sudden she would get huge rashes on her face on her legs For no apparent reason and literally had been Her parents who are in Show business had the resources to take her all over the world Diagnosed as idiopathic eutica area means we don't know. We don't know. That's what it means. And so I talked her on the phone. I said, well, I'll see you in Santa Barbara And in the meantime, I want you to start, you know, the plant paradox and two weeks later She and her boyfriend walk in And she had sent me pictures of what she looked like and it was actually pretty scary and she said They're all gone. All all my rashes. They're gone because you know, in walks this beautiful one with no rashes Now this is a comment. She says it's all gone. Yes. How did you know? Everybody else didn't know and he said look I've been doing this a long time and it's usually people at the end of a long journey like yourself and You know, I I didn't get off the turnip truck yesterday Yeah, so you're right. Um, I think there is some fundamental things that are missing In how we train our dogs and how we teach people to eat. Yes. So That's a good segue You said you changed the dog's diet. Yeah, okay. How do we feed our dogs? Huge question. And should we watch these commercials on tv? You should feed the dogs what you eat. You should eat give them healthy whole grains What do we do? Okay, so there's science Are we adhering to science or are we adhering to commercial to marketing? And what I tell people is do not read what the big says. I do not care what the big says Here's the sad part. I teach veterinarian students behavior I go in a lecture in Cal Poly in the holistic program My friend doctor, uh, Barbara Royale, she used to be the president of the holistic veterinarian association I wrote the forward to her book. So she invited me to come and, um Teach in her program. So I said show me what there's the veterinarian students learn as far as nutrition And they have three days and guess who teaches them the people who sell them the commercial dog food Now here's the other problem that I have When you look at the biggest hospital chain It's vca. Who owns vca? Who bought vca last year for nine billion dollars? Do you know who did? No, who? Mars? Oh, Mars company who makes I believe seven out of the 11 commercial foods And the problem is If you remember years ago They found out that what that mcdonald sells what's called pink slime That it was okay for people to eat. Do you remember years ago? If pink slime which was the picking up what's on the floor and they were bleaching it and putting it in a hamburger Okay for people What do you think goes then for dog food because there's no way to put the qualities that they put on the label And it's that cheap Just use common sense. It cannot be that inexpensive the dog food And yet it's better than mcdonald's Do you understand what i'm saying? Right, right? So if mcdonald's give pink slimes, okay, what do you feed your dog? So to me You cannot feed that to your dog. You cannot put garbage in your dog's body You cannot follow the nonsense that we've been taught of never change your dog's food Never give human food. What do you think dog food is made out of? Human food the dog food is made out of the same stuff. There's no human food trees versus dog food trees All right, so what it is is I invite people whether they work with me with behavior with training when it comes with food. Let's bring it down to common sense We know the dog's body is very similar to human body. They get most of the same diseases Then let's do the right way. Let's feed them the right way. So my dogs eat raw diet They do not get carbohydrates. I mean there's carbohydrates in vegetables and stuff that is okay But they're not gonna get Of course they're not gonna get grains, but they're not also gonna get no potato no peas No No garbanzo beans no tapioca none of these things just july 12 the fda came out with a warning That shows as you know, but the heart condition the dogs are now dying like flies By age five because what happens all these non-grain food The anat got rid of the grain and put more meat They put other substitutes to keep the price and the margins that they need to make for the shareholders intact So what happens you are now feeding your dog? Something that caused heart conditions Yeah Yeah, so you cannot going grain free going grain free and what it is is a lot of veterinarians They cannot say number one because they don't know it nobody taught them number two That part of vca vca wants you to sell that food and And they're afraid also that somebody gonna go against them Because you know, I'm a dog trainer. I'm a measly nobody dog trainer And I can say because you cannot take you know My license away I can tell you what my belief system is right I can send you to literature where you can read and make your own decision If this doesn't agree with you, that's okay But I think you and me know that often time when you got to regular doctors They're going to tell you a doctor gander is crazy or they tell me tamar is crazy Eating sugar all day got nothing to do with behavior. Keeble is balanced food. I said keeble is not balanced food It's sugar. Yeah, you cannot give sugar and not have brain fog You cannot have sugar and and be able to you know, I know it for myself. Sure So I'm very as you can tell outspoken and I can tell you a lot of people don't like me But I have to do what's right for me. Somebody came to me recently and they sold their own keeble company For hundreds of millions of dollars and the non-compete is over and they're about to do a new one with probiotics And I said come do it with us and I said I can't I can't and I said and he said Let me give you to the formulator. He's a scientist and I said great I would love to because god you're going to be so much money I could make and we all need to make a living it will be lovely To make money, but I can't do something that goes again against my consciousness So I'm talking to the formulator is a scientist and nothing makes sense and I said to him I need to ask you after 45 minutes of conversation. I said I need to ask you dr. So-and-so Um, when was the research done that you are referring to and he goes 1997 And I go but do you know dr. So-and-so that since then we have a lot of research done about gut and microbiome and everything and he goes I don't believe in that And I said sadly I would not be able to partner and I really love the man He's a good man He does a lot of good of work in the rescue world that I would love to partner with that man But unfortunately he gets the wrong information from the scientists And I had to walk away So it is that important for people and for dogs for longevity and for quality of life To eat healthy. I'm sorry. This is just not two ways about it. So raw diet Vegetables particularly green vegetables Bone broth all those things, you know that are about health Yeah, I was maize recently I came across a website from a major University veterinary program in the Midwest And they have huge amounts of funding. They just got 20 million or 12 million Like a month ago and from the company who makes the dog food. Yeah. Yes, and they They actually have very interesting guides that they believe that Grains are an essential part of a dog's diet And unbelievable meat by-products are actually incredibly important and there's nothing wrong with them And I'm going wow, you know, this is a major university yet. And so I I start digging through freedom of information act Yeah, and they're major one of their major donors is the Ralston furina company I saw it. Yeah, and it's like and you have to dig to find these donors. There's nothing on their websites Exactly right. Yeah, and and so here's this, you know, disinformation from a major university. Yes Who, you know, I would trust every really good football team Of course, and yet they're getting their funding from the very people I mean it's it's come on don't we all know we're also on 60 minutes the pharmaceutical company You know that so many physicians get the education from the people who sell the drug, right? It's true And it's not that different and People think of dogs longevity is oh my god. My dog is all these 12 voice 13. No Your dog is all these when he's 17 or he's in their 20s Kind of like people used to die when they're 60s or 70s now people lives longer. It's kind of like but you see it's very difficult You and me Are kind of like in the same and you see so many dogs running around with you know the color of shame And arthritis and they're not supposed to have eczema. They're not supposed to have rashes And they're not supposed to be on steroids for this. No, you know, and they're not supposed to be on ibuprofen Absolutely Absol absolute yoga by painting day in day out for the rest of the life I mean you cannot do all these things without having side effects And you see I'm looking that I'm here to serve dogs. So in any way that I can Great So do your personal choices and food affect your dog health? Well, of course because You know when I make myself steam broccoli's my dogs stand around when are we getting my steam broccoli? You know when I'm opening a bag of kale my dogs love raw kale, you know, so it's kind of like I don't have garbage at my home. I don't have Food in my home. So that's what my dogs are eating and they're loving it I made the salvation years ago during the spring my dogs Whenever there were young shoots of grass or young leaves, they'd stop and munch them not to throw up Mature leaves they'll throw up And I said that's interesting. You know, what are they eating all this green stuff for and you've studied wolves And one of the things we know about great carnivores is they'll eat the guts of the animal They kill first and they number one and that's where all the vegetable product was And so yeah, and they were lacking that vegetable product that would have been a normal part of their diet And I'm going, huh there, you know, they're they're good carnivores. They're great predators and exactly eating dirt Yeah, and I'm not giving them that in their diet. So I started giving them, you know Kale and lettuce and they love a good piece of lettuce. Absolutely My dogs love my Mediterranean salad with the olive oil And absolutely, okay Uh, how about omega 3s for dogs fish oil? I love omega 3 And I recommend omega 3 that is 60% epa and 40% dha based on research that was done for the best of Brain because I like to look at my brain and study my brain. How can I make my brain? The best tool that I can have Because stress bring my brain down and dogs are under a lot of stress. So I'm my dogs get omega 3 every day I don't think your dogs are under stress They do because you know what my dogs like to be my only dogs and I always have dogs coming in and out of my home My clients come to my home and we do like a therapy session We sit in my kitchen and we really it's a beautiful environment because We I get to expedite the the puppy that comes to me or the client dog who come To see when they're getting triggered when they see other dogs. So I don't have to do it It's kind of like learning a language You can learn to speak French in a school in a class. So you can go learning speak French in Paris You expedited if you're gonna do it in Paris. So I ask my clients to come to me And then we're doing with other dogs around. So I always have dogs coming in and out and my personal dogs are my helpers So I think they would prefer to be sometimes just mom. Can we just be your dogs? We don't want you to give your time to other dogs. So I think it's stressful for them sometimes So do they act territorial? No, it's not about territorial But I can see that just like looking at me You know how to read the faces when you have a dog and they go like really Can't we just be just us? You know, but that's part of what I do, you know So what do you say to all the dog trainers out there that this is a power struggle? That you have to be the master and Your dog has to submit and that's how you train a dog. I would say welcome to the 1950s If you think our dog training started it started after the second world war And that's why dogs are when they are healing. They're on the left side. Why is that? Because the rifle was on the right side Last time I checked none of us walking around with rifles. Most of us are right-handed Most dogs are left-handed And now look at that That the divine intelligence did it so the dogs can be with their strong side The dog how much we're the brain next to our strong so we can connect so we can bond When I teach dogs how to work on the white side on the right side And I give them the option that side or this side because I always test Everything that I do with the dog with each individual I test which one would you prefer? It's always that coming to this side when I give them the option when I've not been trained before to do that So what I tell people is we are not in the 1950s. We have behavioral research That is available to us That shows that when you teach a dog how to make decisions just the way you teach a kid To empower them to make good decision They become better Individual and they become Devoted to you like tony robin says you want a raving fan We are all looking for a raving fan in our dogs We may not always get a raving fan in our house on our children They have their own journey But the one being in our life that we can have as a raving fan Is our dog and unfortunately People get a dog because they want that and then they go to a trainer who breaks the dogs spirit and breaks that unbelievable bond unbelievable trust unbelievable connection and faith That you are the best human for me That dogs wants to feel So I really would like to make it just like it was done with children Raising that it's not okay to hit your children. It's not okay to do this I would like to change it that it's not okay To use prong colors on dogs You know, just think about it if I'm going to tell you now word in hebrew And you are not going to do it and I'm going to put a prong color that digs into your neck And by the way, no Mother's dog do not use correction on dogs. And certainly not like that You know, um If I'm teaching you a word in hebrew and you're not doing it and I'm going to hurt you Would it make you want to learn from me more? I might learn faster You're not because when you're stressed as you know, you actually learn less Because you know what happened to your body when you're stressed, right? Court is all goes up. This is not the time to learn. So it's oh Do you can we give treats to our dogs learning process? Absolutely, but what I do I don't teach dog a command I present a situation for a dog and I want a dog to think and I'm Zipping it and waiting and if the dog is doing it wrong. I'm just keep looking when he's doing it right I use the las vegas method the jackpot and what it is the dog realizes. Oh my god When I do that It's so much pleasure and I show them because I come from a place of respect That there are sentient being that there are mammals that they need that they can think and it's up to me to be a good teacher To bring the most out of them And what kind of treat? Uh protein of a or green vegetables. Yeah. Yes. That's it. I make my own You know, I don't go and buy treats because It's just you know, I wanted that I make it. I want them to feel the dogs that I cooked for them It's all about design about I'm here to serve you mr. Doggie and the dog parent I'm here to serve them And that's why I cook for them and I have different types and they are all living like oh my god We can't wait to come back and that's what I want people to feel and dogs to feel So can dogs save your life? I think so We have again studies and study of people who were depressed You know, uh completely like in a dark energy place and you bring a dog even just from visiting them Anywhere to living with them and there's like a flower that something opens up dogs to me Are the closest thing to that Divine energy that people call god or whatever Because they're really all about They want to give love they want to connect. They don't have ulterior motives No, they don't they're pure. Yeah, they're pure. You know, I told you off-camera. I give people prescriptions to get a dog I actually write them on a prescription page and a number of my patients have come back Saying, you know, that's the first prescription a doctor ever gave me that you that worked And it's really true. In fact, somebody sent me the prescription frame Uh recently a picture of it. So but you see but you are a cardiologist was the best thing to a heart love Yeah, that's exactly right form of love a dog. Yeah, that's very true Yeah Let's not leave out cats. Uh, I love cats. I just don't know them Yeah, I had a cat in medical school having a dog in medical school does not work. Um, they demand too much Well, yeah, you know, you're off and on call in the hospital days at a time and a cat can go That's okay. I I got this, you know, I care for myself So, uh, so please folks if you have a cat, I I've had a cat. I loved my cat Uh, this is a dog show today, but cats can be incredibly useful Pets as well as birds. I used to have a bird miss my bird. So But yeah, dogs are really special Okay, so we're going to wrap it up as you know, we do an audience question And I'm actually going to include you on this So today's question comes from barb barb writes in can we eat coconut oil? Or extra virgin olive oil in phase one and phase two of your program You know, I get this a lot. So here's the deal in phase one Almost everybody in the world at least in america has a leaky gut get over it What happens when you have a leaky gut is we're trying to keep Among other things bacterial particles Called lipo polysaccharides lps's and as you know, I don't swear But I call them little pieces of shit in the book because that's what they are These things ride through our gut wall on saturated fats unfortunately like coconut oil They will also ride on olive oil And everybody goes what dr. Gundry you love olive oil and coconut oil is okay for most people and that's true But in phase one, I really want to seal your gut And so I want to try to keep these guys out of you now interesting We've talked about fish oil in omega three. It turns out that fish oil Actually Seals your gut and these little guys can't ride in on fish oil So early on yeah, just go easy. You don't have to avoid it But it's not the leader of olive oil that I want you eventually to get to Once we seal your gut and we calm down your gut microbiome and get a lot of good bugs rather than bad bugs Then it's fine. You've heard me talk about before that if you have the apo E4 gene, which is unfortunately Nicknamed the Alzheimer's gene and 30 of us carry that gene If you have that I want you to be cautious with the amount of coconut oil that you use Probably MCT oil is different, but I don't have enough data to prove that yet But coconut oil, coconut oil if you're an apo E4 Not your best choice of of fats So can we give our dogs coconut oil? I give coconut oil, but very little I switched from coconut oil. It was the fade to omega three oil In the last few years the more I read about coconut oil The more I realized you have to be cautious with that and omega three is a little bit better. Yeah, I'm testing out a very high polyphenol olive oil that was originally made in Morocco for horses race horses And apparently from the literature I've seen was really really useful for helping them recover from races Which is incredible stress on a race horse And so and my daughter actually rehabs old race horses. Oh, wow So yeah, so anyhow, uh, so we're gonna try this up Okay, so look it's been great. Well, we've had a wonderful Metaphysical experience here today. We've covered far more than just dogs and I can't thank you enough for coming on the show You pleasure So I'm dr. Gundry. You've been watching the dr. Gundry podcast Make sure that you sign up for the plant paradox 30 day challenge The new book comes out in just a couple days. The challenge is going to start january 15th ends on valentine's day How appropriate we got 30 days of meals in the new plant paradox quick and easy Sign up for the challenge go to dr. Gundry.com or at plant paradox 30 I'm going to do it even though the day after the start I have to fly to paris and boy Is that going to be a challenge? So and I'm going to instagram every day about what I'm eating over there So till next time. Thanks a lot and tomorrow. Thank you very much. My pleasure