 And we are supposedly live. Hello, everybody. I'm going to refresh this page and see if we actually are. We are. Oh my goodness. Can everybody hear us? Everybody? Everybody? If so, say what's up. What's going on, everybody? All right. You know what I'm going to do? Since we're just getting started and people have probably had busy days since the last time I reminded them to tune in. Also, Eileen, I don't know if you saw this this morning, but when I posted on X, like, hey, later today, 2pm Pacific, you know, we're doing this thing. Eileen and I are and here's the link, the YouTube link, which I misspelled because that's how my Monday went. And then the link to our website, which does pull from ACAST, included a picture of a red apple. And I'm like, that's not even part of our brand identity. I just don't know where that came from. So I just posted it. I just posted it and I was like, well, you know, I guess I'll just send a follow up and somebody wrote back and was like, oh, that's some outdated thing. I changed it and then it seemed to go away. I don't know. It was Mayhem. It was a Monday. It was a Monday. Is that a sign? Should we just have a little apple, like a real one at our, you know, like the corner here? Take a bite. Yeah. It's like we literally take a bite before the show begins every single time. Listen, I love apples. I'm happy to. I don't know if I would eat an apple a day for realsies. That's a lot of that's seven apples a week minimum. But once I start eating an apple, I always finish it. I never am like, oh, I don't like this. I love it. I love the apple. It's not like other fruits. I feel like really tart fruits. Like I don't always eat oranges. Like the thing for me. I sometimes don't because they're, they can be a little messy just depending on what else I'm doing. Like I don't want to eat an orange over my desk. For example, you know, there's, there's going to be a drip. It's going to get sticky. Yeah. Also apricots. I'm not a fan. No way ever. No, I'm not a fan. Not a fan. What if they're dried? I mean, it's okay. Like I don't like anything. You, you just wouldn't be like, mmm, a handful of dried apricots. Yum. Yeah. No, I mean, if I was on a deserted island and that was all I had to eat. That's fine. It's not like I'm totally averse, but it's just not my fruit of choice. I don't actually, I need to eat more fruit, Sarah. You know, I do too. And that's weird because I do not dislike fruit and I have no issue with, you know, the fruit, the sugar that is in fruit. Cause I'm like, if I'm going to get a certain amount of sugar, it might as well be in real food rather than, you know, ice cream or candy or something. Right. Right. All right. So I'm posting to X. All right. And I'm going to post to a few friends who I told I was doing this. Ooh, exciting. I know, I know that we were doing this. And then I think we'll get, we'll get officially going here. Now, what I want to do is because we're in StreamYard, I want to manage stuff I'm seeing on YouTube. Sounds good. So I think what I should do is load that page and then mute it. Cause otherwise we get a little tiny, tiny second, couple second delay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So should I stop everyone? I'm learning StreamYard just so you know. So this is all new to me. Last thing I ever switched was a tricaster a long time ago. So this is foreign territory. So just please understand there might be some mistakes. Also, this is our workshop. Yeah. So maybe we start. Let's start at the beginning. Yeah. Now that we're talking about fruit. Yes. For everybody who has joined us, do spread the word. We are doing a fun little fun, fun live stream to more or less workshop our new show. Our new show is a real thing. It's, it's, it's happening. It's happening as we speak. What we still would love to just kind of kick around and definitely get input from y'all on is what the show should be. You know, an Apple show is there are lots of Apple shows and we love those shows. I mean, some of those shows are my favorite shows. This is not designed to replicate any of those shows specifically, but to, to, to really kind of give a perspective that Eileen and I think that we have, we certainly hope we have on using Apple products as regular folks. We're definitely technically inclined more than the average person, but if you're listening or watching chances are you are as well. And so, you know, it's a kind of a mixture of news and tips and kind of, you know, fun, anecdotal information and definitely lifestyle tricks. Eileen, I know you're, you're, you're pretty pumped about that. So did I explain this fall? I think you sure did. I mean, you know, the focus on lifestyle, how Apple fits in our everyday lives. I mean, honestly, that's what we're going to be talking about and how to differentiate ourselves. I know there was some people in our promo comments that are like, well, you know, how are you going to make it different from Apple? I'm like, well, we may have some of the same news, but it's, it's kind of like, and we'll see how this goes along. We've always, we thought at the beginning we're going to talk about one big item, whatever it may be, you know, the launch of the Apple Vision Pro, for instance, and spend most of our time there and then end it, you know, it's not going to be, we're also going to talk about, you know, another software update or anything like that. We're really kind of trying to focus on a particular Apple moment and discuss how that affects us in our lives, because quite frankly, so many people have Apple products. How you use them, Sarah, is different. How I use them is different. How others, you know, out there use them. There's more light users. There's hardcore users. There's everything in between. You know, like some people only have a phone. Some people only have an iPad. Some people, I don't know. Maybe there is somebody who's just going to be like, I only have the Apple Vision Pro. What? Okay. I know. I'm sure there are quite a few of you out there being like, yeah, that's me. You know, maybe you're a developer. Maybe you're just, I don't know. You don't, haven't been moved by other Apple products or you just have stuff that works well enough for you. And I think that's another big part of the show is, you know, there are people who you could use the term or maybe the term is used by others as elitist about, you know, the ecosystem, the platform that you choose. And as much as this is an Apple focused show, so that's what we'll be focusing on, we're not going to pretend that there aren't really cool other tech alternatives out in the world. Sometimes we'll compare them, you know, sometimes we'll try to get somebody on who's an expert, I don't know, in the state of Android, we happen to know quite a few people who are really good at talking about Android. And, you know, that kind of stuff, it's like to be as inclusive as possible while still having a focus, it's kind of our overarching goal, at least to start out. Now, what we need and would very much love is a little more, you know, just feedback from you. Do you have favorite Apple shows currently? Are there certain things that you think those shows do really well? Are there things we can expand on in those areas? Are there things you think are kind of missing from the options that you have right now? Because of course, we're not trying to just give you more of what you already have. And as Eileen mentioned, Daily Tech News show obviously covers a lot of Apple news. Anytime there's anything significant, we certainly try to cover it. But, you know, we cover news pretty broadly because we don't want to focus too much on any one thing because we're trying to be as much tech as possible for as many people as possible. This is much more focused than that. So I think, although you might hear about topics that you've heard on DTNS here on Apple Vision, we will not only go into more depth, probably, on that kind of stuff, but have a different perspective. The pacing is going to be a little different. You know, more focus on lifestyle. Eileen and I are trying to just get things done at the end of the day and have fun while doing it. So we got a question in here. What is the length of our show? Good question. That is a good question. Okay, so we have, when we decided, okay, let's do the show. Are you in? Eileen's like, I'm in. Are you in, Sarah? I said, I'm in. We're sort of like, okay, what are some just kind of basic questions just to get us, get the ball rolling on our side? And that was one of the questions is, what is the, is it an hour? Is it 30 minutes? You know, is it shorter than that? Is it longer? I don't know. Eileen, my initial gut was, let's call it an hour because I feel like if you've got a few topics and you don't want to feel rushed or constrained an hour is a pretty solid baseline. Some of my favorite podcasts are more like 90 minutes, but I save them because I don't like to start a podcast and then finish it later because I kind of forget where they were. So it's like, maybe if I'm going on a longer walk where I know I'm going to be at the gym for a while or maybe I'm going to be in my car, I'll do the longer show. But I think that's a great question for y'all. What is the sweet spot for a lot of you? People commute. Not everybody has the same length of commute. I don't know, Eileen, what about your favorite podcast? Do you ever look at a TRT and go like, perfect, that's exactly what I wanted? Yeah, I'm usually around the 45 minute to an hour. Because I know that they're going to talk enough about something and not just give me a minute's worth of info on what particular topic. They're going to go deep. They're going to go at least 15 minutes here, 20 minutes here, which I like because I want to hear all perspectives. And when I'm thinking about the show itself and the topics that we'll be covering, surely we're going to be timely on days that there's going to be releases, but there might be more evergreen topics that we talk about, whether it be like productivity. I know I was pitching you, Sarah, like I love using my iPad and for digital planning and calendaring and all that whole world that I discovered over the last three or four months, which I'm really into. And that could be a topic we've talked about. Sure, there's going to be Apple Music News, but we may go really into, like I was complaining about spatial music, and oh, wow, today there happens to be some incentives about spatial audio. Yeah, exactly. If you happen to miss that news, it's cool. Apple, at least if you were in the position to upload music to Apple Music, given higher royalties to artists for spatial audio, and it apparently doesn't, it's not dependent on, like Eileen, if you upload a spatial audio version of your latest album, I don't even necessarily have to listen to any of those tracks, but just because you did it, you know, you're incentivized monetarily, which is pretty cool. But spatial audio, you and I did have a fun conversation about that where you were like, sometimes I just don't like it. It just is not like helping my experience, and I agree with you, but I actually really do. I feel like I'm in a concert. Oh, that's true. I think if the song is made for spatial audio, then it sounds good. But there's a lot of like, I sometimes like to listen to retro 80s disco, and when they force spatial audio to a song that was never made for it, it works. Most of the time for me, it does not. And I can't hear the vocal, and I'm like, no, this is the part I really like the most, and mostly because I've spent so many years with that song, right? I wasn't conditioned to hear it through spatial audio. And so I get annoyed with some of that. And maybe they'll fix it. I don't know if they can, but that's when I'm not a fan, but I have heard some tracks that make sense in spatial, but because they're doing it for spatial audio. That's what I think is the difference. Yeah. There have been times where, you know, I mentioned walking, which I mean, I'm not like the craziest walker in the world, but I walk a lot because I've got a dog and he needs to be walked. And I don't always listen to audio. In fact, at night I prefer not to listen to anything because I just want to have my wits about me. I want to know who's coming and going and sounds and this and that, but there have been times where I'm walking with him and my dog Otis, God love him. He's just all over the place sometimes. We're getting tangled in the leash and I'm, you know, I'm doing twirls. It's ballet ask and the spatial audio of whatever I'm listening to starts to go crazy because it's like, what's she doing? Where's she going? She's moving left. She's moving right where I'm like, ah, it's chaos. Well, I was going to ask you because like, I haven't really listened to spatial audio when I'm walking, but like I can imagine every once in a while it might freak me out. I might go, oh my gosh, where is that noise? Or it's like coming from somewhere behind versus, or whatever, you know, it's just not mono. Right. I don't know. I'm curious the way if people really love spatial audio and I don't hear a lot of people talking about it, but I just may not be running those same circles. So when spatial audio was first introduced, was this 2022? I think it was. You know, thereabouts. I didn't have AirPods. I was for a while kind of an AirPods hater and I lean. I have no good reason for that. I was just sort of like, I already had wireless earbuds, Jabra makes them very good earbuds. And, you know, I was just sort of like, I don't know, AirPods like hang out of your ears and so many other earbuds don't. So just why would you have them? They're just annoyingly Apple. Well, I eventually lost my Jabras. They were, they were, I misplaced them. They're around here somewhere. I moved recently. So, you know, they're in a box. This is how it goes. And so I thought, you know, they were, they were going on four years old anyway. Let's get some AirPods. And AirPods Pro, you know, the latest gen and I immediately was like, spatial audio is so cool. And people were like, Sarah, I mean, you're like a tech person. Have you never listened to this before? I'm like, you only, you could only have certain equipment in order to take advantage. You know, even if I was at my desktop and, you know, plugged in type thing, I just didn't have the right, you know, headphones. I think it's great. I think it's gimmicky sometimes, but it's sort of like, well, you know, that's what they said about stereo audio back in the day. So why do the same old, same old, let's push the boundaries, right? That's right. Think different. And maybe from this, we'll be born like five years later, something that really, you know, rocks, right? Like really knocks us off our feet. Anyway. All right. So Philip, you're in, you're also happy with longer. We could go on and on and on. Let me tell you, our original promo that we recorded was 20 minutes, and I cut it down, you know, just to kind of get to the heart of it, which was what some of you may have already seen on YouTube. Yeah. And even, I don't know, Eileen, I am, I'm going to have to get used to, and this is not totally Apple vision show specific, but just the real quick snippies, because I'm just sort of used to going on for at least a few minutes at a time. Even the promo that I recorded, if anybody saw it with my cat, Ralphie, who's actually next to me, but he's being shy right now. You know, I was like, I was like, ah, it's like 60 seconds. It was like almost three minutes. It was almost three minutes. Yeah. Was it? I thought it was really quick. Time goes by so fast when you're talking, right? I know. So that just brings us back to, you know, I feel like we're going to feel it out. You know, I think, like you said, Sarah, I think these episodes are going to be more like an hour, but we'll feel it out, you know, and if it goes longer or shorter, that's what it's going to be. I don't think we're going to hit like 10 stories. It's literally going to be like one or two, but really kind of dig deep, right? We want to dig deep for everybody. We do. Yeah. Let it breathe. And this is, again, it's like, sure, sometimes there's breaking news. Sometimes there's going to be a big event, and that will probably be the focus of that episode, you know, or maybe in more of a capacity than it would be normally. But I think there are lots of, you know, again, I think, I don't know, when I say something like lifestyle tweak, I don't know exactly what that means to everybody. I think it means different things to different people. But for example, so I wear an Apple watch. I wear it pretty much 24 hours a day. I sleep with it because I like to track my sleep. But you know, it means I got to take it off and charge it for a couple of hours in the morning, which I usually do when I'm just like sitting there drinking coffee, waking up. So it's great. I mean, it's kind of with me all the time. I originally got cell service along with the watch. And then after a couple of months, I was like, I'm just never really trying to leave my phone behind. So it didn't make sense, you know, even though it was really only another $10 a month on my Verizon plan. It just didn't really make sense to me. Anyway, I love the watch. But I got a new iPhone last weekend, and it's awesome. Shout out to Lamar Wilson, who helped facilitate that. And because of that, you know, I just did like a phone to phone a sync. It was so easy. Like it wasn't even an iCloud backup. You know, it was even easier than that. But just based on how things moved over, I started to get like these like rando notifications on my watch that I didn't have before. And it's just a notification thing, you know, because they're coming from my phone that then I have now synced to my watch, whatever. And some of them I'm just like, oh, I just have to like figure out how to turn that off at some point. And some of them I'm like, oh, I didn't used to get these interesting, or oh, I'm getting alerts about the, you know, area of California I used to live in, which is just no longer relevant, at least for me to get, you know, on my wrist. Well, one of them is the Amazon's assistant, you know, ALX, the A-L-E-X-A, won't say her name, which is like these push notifications for like some very bizarre calendar of birthdays of people that like I'm not close enough with, to even say happy birthday casually. Like someone that like I maybe like went on one date with 20 years ago, or like an old boss that like I'm not in touch with, or just somebody like who's a friend of a friend of a friend where it would be like somewhat odd if I was like happy birthday. Why would that automatically turn on for you? Like why would that automatically? Well, so I don't know for you. I don't really know. And maybe somebody out there does, but so when I, you know, I moved recently, and when I did, even though my Wi-Fi, you know, the name of my Wi-Fi address is the same, I have a different router. So I had to set up all my smartlets from scratch. Serial number, the pits. It actually has worked. So I mean, I can't really be all that mad about it, but it was basically harder than just getting a bunch of new lights. You know, I had to just reprogram and like factory reset and everything. I'm still not even done. But I think because of that, because I was in Amazon's assistance app, you know, rejiggering my, you know, these are the lights that go in the living room and this is the bedroom light now and you know, this and that. I don't know. I woke it up somehow. You did. So now I'm getting these like bizarre, like Apple Watch like, so-and-so's birthdays today, would you like to send them a gift? It's like, hell no. Maybe you'll send them a little Facebook happy birthday if you're Facebook friends with them. I wouldn't. And this is not to say that I, like I don't care about these people, but you know, you know the kind of acquaintance I'm talking about where you're like, it would almost seem strange. Like I wanted something, you know, to be like happy birthday person that I do not talk to. Maybe like, why is Sarah contacting me? This is weird. Okay. Well, so if anyone's just sort of like, well, I've been here or you know, I'm having the same problem. I finally found, I think it was on Reddit. There was, you know, because everything's, all solutions lead to, you know, a Reddit thread of some kind. Well, it was actually, it was actually on Amazon's, Amazon form.com itself. I had to go into the settings for the app on my phone, go into settings, go into notifications, go into communications. And sure enough, there is a little, there's a little lever, you know, want birthday notifications on. And mine was yes. So I said no. And hopefully that, that will be the end of it. Now this is somewhat specific of a case, but I hope someone out there learned something because I sure did today. Did it by chance remind you of someone that maybe you would want to reach out and say hello? Absolutely not. I mean, I get, listen, their birthdays would be now, right? In January. Yeah, I mean, it's not like, oh, you know, of the 10 to 12 people I talked to, super regularly, anybody outside that bubble should never be, you know, reached out to again. No. It was just too much. You know, my watch I feel like is, I want personal notifications like, you know, am I nearing my step goal for the day? Because that's something I, I try to take pretty seriously. I don't always get there, but I try. And, you know, and notification for, you know, certain people who message me, that kind of thing, you know, my personal calendar. Now this was obviously a calendar, but it was something that I don't even know where it's pulled from. I assume Facebook, because I don't know, you know, how else the integration would work. But it was just, just too much, you know, where I'm kind of, you know, I got full of grocery, a handful of groceries and I'm like, it's so-and-so's birthday. Oh my gosh, I have to stop. I have to stop this madness. I was just romanticizing the scenario and thinking of some film where you were reminded, oh my goodness, this person I've never talked to. And then your friendship is blooming again because of Apple. I mean, sadly no. I will say, I don't, now Eileen, now this is, and I'm not trying to like, you know, make us be like, I don't know, too personal or anything, but there have been people who, and I'm not going to thank Apple really for this, a little bit of a stretch, but there have been people who have become really good friends of mine that I met through apps, variety of apps. Instagram, DM for example, and I'm not even talking about like romantic or you know, like I'm talking just like, people who got a hold of me or maybe I got a hold of them in some way that now are like, important people in my life. So there's, there's something to be said about, you know, the serendipity of all of that. And you know, that just did not used to be a way that we could do that. Right. I mean, if somebody like, I don't know, what would they do? Send me a telegram. I mean, then they'd have to know my address and that's weird. So, yeah. All you like, I never pick up phone calls. They might call you. Like, ooh, phone call. Are you that person, Sarah? I'm that person that, when I see a phone call, if I don't see the name associated, I just literally, I freak out. I go, oh my God, why is this person calling me? One, I don't like to pick up phone calls anyways. So, I have a little bit of a, and then, okay, let me deal with it or not deal with it. Let it go to voicemail, depending on, you know, who it is. Yeah. I, I've got a few, there are a few people who, and I want this to sound like, as not mean as possible, but I have people who are just more phone talker friends than I am. I'm kind of with you. Like, for the most part, if I don't expect it, it's probably not going to work for me. But, I have a few friends, or like family members. You know, like if my mom calls me, my first, my first reaction is, are you okay? Same, with my dad. You know, and it's like, oh, you're okay? Okay, let's talk. We're good. Like, I want to hear from you, but I want to talk to you. And I have a few friends, same thing. You know, it's like, or yeah, if it's just an unknown number that I'm either not expecting or I consider it spam, or it even says no potential spam with Verizon, you know, I'm just like, not even going to do this. But, yeah, I think the phone call, the phone call relationship is a very interesting one because I wouldn't even say that it's only the people that I love the most that I will pick up for. It's just like, oh, we have a good phone cadence, you know, as long as I'm not like super busy or like holding a, you know, I don't know, that's a hot pan over the stove type thing, you know, but even then, I'll just switch to my earbuds and then we're fine. Yeah. Yeah. I'm making a bigger deal than it really is, but there are the people that are like, please just text me, don't call me, or it's easier to find me if you text me versus calling me, if that makes sense. I mean, I do appreciate, as far as the etiquette goes, I definitely appreciate when someone's like, hey, are you in the middle some right now? I was going to call or something like that, you know, because sometimes I'm like, ooh, give me two hours. I am kind of in the middle of something, or no, call, you know, just a little, a little ping, a little nudge is always appreciated. Over in our YouTube chat, thanks everybody for giving us your feelings on the length of a show. It sounds like an hour-ish, sounds pretty good for some folks. Surfin' Trucks wrote in, for the new show, I challenge you both to wear the Apple Vision Pro for the entire show. No other show does that, and you would be the first show to do it. Well, I'm going to have to break it to you that Eileen and I would have to share one single pro. We just have the one to start, but we do have it, and it's coming on Friday, and we're pumped. And it's going to be Eileen's first VR headset, I think, right? It is, yeah. I mean, I've tried the Meta one, but, you know, I haven't really used it, like you have. You have more experience with it. And so, I'm really anxious to hear, you know, how you receive this. And I'm curious, like, because you use it for working out, and I was thinking, oh, I'll use it to watch stuff. Well, there's no Netflix in YouTube, and guess what I watch the most? Netflix in YouTube. I know. It's, we're getting into, and this is, you know, as we're recording this, it's Monday, January 22nd. And the kind of, the news over the weekend was all sort of about Apple Vision Pro pre-orders, which opened on Friday at 5 a.m. Pacific time, and we secured one, and, you know, delivered on time. Then shipping dates slipped, which always indicates that demand is eclipsing supply, which is what anybody who has something that's in demand is used to as a company. Apple's not the only company to do that. But then, they're, you know, based on numbers that, you know, folks have crunched who know how supply chain stuff goes. It's like, well, it seems like it sold out of the initial run, but then those shipping dates didn't continue to slip, which would then indicate that the initial rush, there was quite, you know, strong demand, but is there enough demand going forward, or are we getting into this waiting period, which I suspect we're in, where it's like the developers and the people who are kind of like hardcore, we want to try this, which would be you and me, Eileen. It's a lot of other people being like, I want to wait till somebody tells me I can't live without this. Right. You know, so, and that may still happen, but you know, it's like, it's that early niche product, you know, do I need this type thing? Yeah, and I mean, it is pretty pricey. So, you know, those are the price of two adult tickets. I know that. If you like, if you like going to concerts, which, yeah, I mean, I wouldn't say no to her. Yeah. Gosh, are they really that expensive? Well, because she used to be like $25. I know. It's because she's doing a residency in Vegas. They're like literally like $700 a piece. Oh, what is this thumbs up here? Oh, I'm doing this again. You remember when we were doing, let's see. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why it works for you. And it doesn't for, oh, it's because you're using your phone as your input, your camera input. No, I'm using my Mac, but I think you turned off a setting on your computer. We were trying to figure this out before. I mean, I'm not using my, I have an external monitor. I'm using a Mac mini. So my, my camera is, is not, you know, native Mac, although it is supported. It's an OPC one for anybody who's interested. Yeah. I was like, why, why can't I do it? Only I lean into it. You know, I don't know. Maybe you're just the person who's just the, you know, you're the emotion. I'm the emotional. Have you ever taken your MBTI test, Sarah? Do you know what that, you know, I, okay, this is embarrassing, but some years ago, not even, no, like not even in the last 10 years, I started to see these particularly on dating apps when someone would be like, here's my thing, you know, that should let you know a little bit more about me if you're so inclined to, you know, kind of know the test. And so eventually I was like, so annoying, but maybe I should do it. Maybe I should just know. Like even if that isn't what I'm like going forward with and I couldn't get through it. I just always got busy and I was like, this is really long. So I still don't know what I am. There's one that you could take. It's really short online. Oh, okay. I am an ISFJ. So there's like, you get four letters, I or Eve to begin with, whether you're, you know, what am I, why can't I think of the word right now? Introvert. Introvert or extrovert. Yeah, you're extrovert or extrovert. The third letter is either an F or T and I'm an F. So I'm the feeling, I'm more feeling and T is, you know, thinker, more rational. I feel like Tom is yelling something in his office saying, it's this, it's this. It's right over there. I love how it's like you are under one roof. And yet you're like, he might be yelling something at me right now. I don't know, whatever. I think he is. He's four walls away. I know. Anyway, not to deter our Apple conversation much more, but yeah, maybe that's what I am to this show is I'm the feeling that, oh, let me give you heart, Sarah. Yay. And you're the rational thinker. Oh gosh. Well, that's, that's a tall order. No, I get it. I get it. Well, here's the thing. So I, for anybody, you know, just for, for those of you who are, who are watching this live or might watch this later, first of all, thank you so much. What we really wanted this to be was, you know, a workshop idea to just get some senses of what people want from the show. As we said a few minutes ago, you might be joining us a little bit later. So I'll repeat that. But also Eileen and I have worked together in various capacities for quite some time. We've never done a show like this together, but we've worked on, you know, larger and smaller teams. And we certainly know each other just based on, you know, mutual friends and marriage and the works. So this is something that even though it's fun and new and different at the same time, it feels very familiar to me. And I hope that's not too soupy and, you know, mushy. But it's, you know, it's, it's, it's like, yeah, like we didn't just sort of go like, I don't know who wants to do an Apple show with me. I'll put a Craigslist ad out and see, you know, where it, I answered the Craigslist ad. Imagine I'm like Eileen, it was you the whole time. Why didn't you just tell me you wanted to do it? No, we thought this would be really fun. So, you know, here we are. And that said, we are, we're bootstrapping this. To the point where we, you know, asking you how long do you think the show should be? What we may do because we want to make sure that as we grow the show, we're doing stuff that is resonating, is what people ask for and receive well. And, you know, even if you have criticism, I mean, that's all part of the deal, you know, that we, we, we want all of that. And what we may, and we thought about doing is, is starting it a little lean, I guess, so to speak. Like our first show might not be an hour long because we just kind of want to, you know, give you some like good info and, and see if there's, there's more that you would have liked to see. There are ideas that you have for future shows. What, I think Eileen and I, because we've been in production for so long. Sometimes, you know, a show is just a, is a slam dunk, you know, right away. More often than not, there's a lot of reiterations that have to happen in order for the hosts, you know, the production team. And most importantly, the audience, you know, finally mesh with. And so that's why input, super important, really want to hear that. And, and also, yeah, not wanting to give you too much of like, here's the finished show. Do you like it? Because what if it needs some tweaks? You know, we're all in the human. We, we want to make those tweaks. And we want to be transparent about making those tweaks so that you feel like we're all in this together because we very much are. Yeah, what are you guys curious about with that? We, we will definitely share all our curiosities with you. And, you know, I don't know that this is like hard news show. Again, it's lifestyle. So we will be hitting beats like if there is an Apple announcement and stuff like that. But, you know, like I said, we're going to be investigating per se how the average consumer is enjoying and using Apple products. Let's see the questionnaire once per week or what day. Good question. That is a good question. Yeah. So we're both, I mean, I would like to say, you know, when I lean and I aren't doing the show, we're just sitting around eating various types of apples and just wondering how to fill up our days. That is not the case. Both very busy bees. So we are hoping, I don't know, are we talking about our, yeah, I guess so. You know, again, this is, this is where everybody else could weigh in. We're hoping that Monday afternoon, which would be post DTNS, you know, local time would be when we would record the show, what we're, what we're thinking right now. And again, feedback appreciated and very important is we will, if you want to be part of this live version of the show, it's video. It's a stream. Obviously it's, you know, we're doing a workshop right now. So we don't have a real agenda. The show itself would be a lot more structured, but that will be something that you can, you know, be part of. And of course, as a live participant, you can be part of the show, you know, you have a question like some of the folks who are giving us feedback and questions right now live. That's awesome. If you want to listen after the fact, obviously that's totally, that's totally doable. And then we'll, we'll add the video to YouTube once we're done. So you really have a few options, right? You can join the stream. You don't have to watch, but you know, audio and video is, is a live component. You know, you get a little bit of like a less polished version of the show. Maybe there's fewer, you know, screenshots of products that we might be talking about that sort of thing, you know, but you're, but you're here with us after the fact on demand, audio, video, both, you know, at your disposal, sorry, someone's car alarm is going insane right outside my house right now in case you hear that. And so that's what we're thinking. If there are, you know, other options that you didn't hear or would like to have or you're into this, let us know. What we haven't done at this point is start a Patreon. We feel like if there is demand for that, we will absolutely consider that going forward. We know that for many folks, you know, you're already contributing to so many creators' dreams. And we are, you know, two more humble creators who have our dreams. So we're thinking this is the place to start. You know, if getting a Patreon going is the right call down the road, then we're all ears. And we're kind of going to let you steer this ship. Yeah, like for instance, you know, here's Mark, we've got two questions about tips and tricks, you know. Fairly recent convert to macOS. Any tips or tricks would be greatly appreciated. So there's one vote for tips and tricks. We've talked about that, too, whether or not, you know, where we would do that, how that would work in the show, and then tips are appreciated. One issue that I need to understand more are the integrations, i.e. watch to phone, phone to computer, especially as Apple provides more of an integrated UX across devices. So, you know, not only if you're asking for that, but you may learn about it. And I feel like the vision is we're all going to learn together. So even if we don't know something, maybe somebody will write in later and tell us and we'll be like, great, let's do that on the show and let's show that off. And maybe we already know and we'll, you know, answer your question right away. So I love this, too. Like, this is it. Like, these are the integrations. Like, why do you have a watch? Why do you have your phone or your iPad? Where do you want to get an iPad now to work with your phone or a watch to work with your phone? I'm actually in that world, too, because I'm not wearing my watch, because maybe it is the time for me to reveal to everyone. I have a Series 4 watch and it dies rather quickly. And Tom says, maybe you just need to delete some apps and all this stuff, because it's syncing up to all my photos. You know, connected to my phone. It has cellular service, blah, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff. But it's old. I didn't even realize I had a Series 4 until last year. I'm like, what version do I have? I am one of those like, oh, it does what I need. So I don't need to upgrade. And Sarah, when I told her, she was like, I think it's time for you to upgrade your watch if you're going to continue to use it. And those are the questions. That's the question I'm asking myself. Like, do I need a new watch? I was starting to live without it this past week, because it's really been annoying to just, you know, have to put it back on the charger after three to four hours. And I'm thinking, do I need to? Oh, yeah. I mean, if I had to do that more than once a day, and I use it pretty heavily, you know, I mean, it is, it's getting, it's sending data back and forth, you know, with my phone quite a bit. And that's even like when you're like, you record like an outdoor walk or something. It's like, that's just that much more, you know, cycles. Yeah. You have to do that more than once a day. I know people who just, and this is actually a good conversation. I would love to revisit this when, when we're, you know, into the show specifically, is the whole wearables thing, because I don't mind wearing this overnight, but I had to like train myself to do it. I used to wear a Fitbit the Versa 2, which I loved. I loved to the point, it was kind of like how I felt about the job or earbuds. I was like, I don't want an Apple product. I like this third party product. It works for me. I don't want it. And you know, people are like, Apple Watch is like really good though. And I'm like, no, I have everything I need with my Fitbit and I was in the Fitbit universe and I was tracking all my calories and I was crazy. It was COVID. But then when I got the Apple Watch, I was like, I don't want to wear this at night. It's bothering me. I don't like it. And I just had to like, just give myself a week. And I also make it a little, it's actually like it's on one ring tighter than it should be right now, which is probably why it's bothering me. But at night, I make it a little bit looser, you know, but it's still, it's tracking my heart. That's all I'm really doing. And I love that. But I know people who are like can't do it. And so I charge my watch at night. I go to bed and I charge it you know, on the nightstand, you know, wherever near me and I wake up in the morning and I put it on and I never have to think about battery life. I have to think about it a little bit differently because it's working all night. Yeah. I don't wear it either. And I thought about it a little bit differently. But do you want to, at some point track my sleep schedule? I'd like to have a better sleep schedule than I have right now. I think I stay up way too late. And I don't think I get enough sleep. But I don't know if that's just because I've just always been a night person, but I'm desperately trying to be a morning person. I don't know if that will ever happen. I don't know. But I'm wondering if tracking will help later. I mean, what are we talking? I mean, I'm not trying to get too personal with your schedule. But are you up past 2 a.m.? No. That's very rare. But one or two, I'd like to start going to bed at midnight so I can have a good at least seven hours of sleep, get up at seven and get the day going. But if I go to bed at one or two, then I'm like pushing eight, you know, 8.30 and I'm like, it's getting late, you know, and a lot of people are on their way, you know. And by the time I'm clicking all cylinders, like I remember last night, I think I sent you my message on Discord. I looked at the time. I'm like, I hope she's not on Discord right now. I don't think she is. But it was like 11.30. I was like, oh girl, I was not awake. I was like, I looked at it because I was like, oh, did I miss this? And I was like, oh, I wouldn't have seen this. No, you wouldn't. But that was my inspiration. My inspiration came at like 11.30. I was like, oh, which I think is great. I mean, I think, especially when you've got either friends or people you're working with or both in various time zones, you just get used to this. You know, I've got a couple of friends who live in, I don't know, the part of Western Europe that's nine hours ahead of me in Pacific Time. And, you know, I get like just like bizarre messages from them, usually in the middle of the night. They know I'm not going to answer until they're halfway through their next day. It's fine. You know, you just, you get it. I forget how global we really are. We are very global. I know. Me too. Me too. In fact, to go back to the Apple Watch and I should really like geek out on this with everybody at some point because I feel like I have a lot of good things I've set up with my Apple Watch, but then today I had my weird Amazon birthday thing where I was like, I'm going to freak out if I can't, you know, shut this down. Haven't gotten one cent, so I think it worked. But, um, I will tell my watch or I don't have to do it all the time, just the once. I set up my watch to say, at 10 30, remind me to go to bed. I don't always go to bed at 10 30 p.m. But I, you know, if I'm like still reading or on the internet or watching a show or one of all three, it's like, just a reminder, Sarah, let's start, think, you know, brush the teeth, wash the face. Let's wrap it up. Let's wrap it up. Yeah. And, um, and sometimes just my little watch, well, it like gives me like, it's like a little boy reminder, like, where I go, oh yeah, oh gosh it is 10 30. Where'd the time go? And then in the morning because I always go for eight hours, I rarely get eight hours either but I say like, okay, so if it's 10 30 to 6 30 is where like I want to like a little nudge, like if I'm not up, like it's time time to wake me up unless I have indicated that I didn't go to bed at 10 30 and so don't wake me up because I'm still, I have now shifted those eight hours at the time. Yeah, which you can do, like there are all these like fun parameters where it's like, it's really smart. Like it's like the least annoying little alarm nudge if you want it to be which is cool. I have the like, you know at 11 30 turn off all notifications. I'm in sleep mode at 11 30. So I don't see any of my notifications or unless I'm on my phone and then I actively go to it and that sometimes helps start the process at least a reminder because it'll say, oh are you ready to, we're going to be doing this in 15 minutes. Like, oh, okay, okay, right. Yeah. It's still I put it on there because I think at some point it might help me, but it does. Yeah, I love having those little moments there with your with your phone, your technology that will kind of remind you like start wrapping it. Let's go. Or on the flip side there have been, for example, this morning it was raining crazy hard in LA. You would, you would know this because you were in the same city so hard. I mean raining just buckets and not even really overnight it was more like early morning you know between like one and four, you know where I was kind of awake because I could just hear the rain like wow it is really raining really hard kind of sounded cool, but you know, so I'm tossing and turning just a little bit because of the noise and eventually you know, it was six and I was like, I'm just gonna, you know, I'm awake this is dumb, you know, just make some coffee, it's fine. You know, my watch was like well, this is a little early for you or you wanting to start your day and I was like, yes it's like so perfect because I could have just been like no quick bathroom trip do not bother me you know, but I'm like you're so sorry you knew it asked you the question so considerate not like well we're gonna start the day and it's like are you sure yeah, like are you you seem like you've been kind of awake for a while and I'm like so smart I totally was yes, thank you, you know it's great I still hit my sleep goal because I went to bed early it was great let's see here what else do we have here in terms of comments we could go a long time yeah, we could go a long time you know what we haven't talked about is guests yeah, so when Eileen and I decided alright let's do this show obviously the two of us had no problem talking it could just be the two of us and I think sometimes that will just you know, depending on the material we have that week that will be the case but we're definitely interested in having guests on who are experts in arenas that we're not in who are just plain old great people I can think off the top of my head lots of folks who would fit that bill and I'm sure all of you can guest suggestions highly appreciated we know that there are quite a few people in our space again who talk about Apple and some of those people are just very obvious guests for the show I think we're going to try to be not selective but just like let's have a guest when it makes perfect sense to talk about this thing you know that works for our booking process because again we're a lean mean team of two and it also just keeps us away from a bit of a trap that I think sometimes shows get into where it's like you have to have a guest you know and does that guest really want to talk about what the you know the host want to talk about type thing so we're thinking on those terms and I don't know Eileen if you wanted to add anything to that yeah I mean I used to book shows that was not the hard work that was not my favorite part of the job my favorite part of the job was building the rundown was you know research research and then you know contributing to the show but like the booking and the chasing people because you needed to put someone in the seat that was I'm just being transparent that is not fun it's not fun at all and people drop out so I think we're trying to build this show where Sarah and I can be self-sufficient but when it makes sense and whenever someone's really interested in coming on the show and has time we're for it you know so absolutely absolutely yes you didn't see my fireworks no stop again oh I know why because I'm so just a little behind the curtain going on for everybody Eileen and I are using a service called StreamYard to stream this to YouTube looking at YouTube because I want to look at all of your comments but our StreamYard is slightly ahead of YouTube so it's like if I look at the YouTube video I'm going to get weird Eileen's like don't you see the fireworks I'm like no oh there they were five seconds later I should know better yeah so that's what we're thinking for guests so we've covered the length of show topics of show more or less we very much can't stress this enough really want to know what everybody's into little tips and tricks like the Apple Watch stuff I talked about today there are so many of those and some of them are very specific and some of them end up being really helpful to a large swath of people and that's awesome both scenarios are awesome Guests absolutely want them we want guests to be on the show who are just passionate have something great to say have something to teach and for the rest of us to learn and vice versa and then yeah the cadence of the show weekly we're committed to that and we think based on our current schedules that the live stream on Monday afternoons is the right way to go which doesn't compete with anything else that either of us are doing could change in the future there's all of that but that's what we're doing and we're hoping that the live option a video on demand and an audio on demand all of which you have will keep us pretty covered for now that's what we're hoping but more than anything we just hope you like the show yeah like we're gonna evolve you won't see GDI down here on the screen I will create a graphic for the show and we'll have different lower thirds I was like Sarah do we even just talk about graphics? I was like GDI oh yeah there it is I need to upload see this is where we are with the show this is not episode one and so there are things like this that help at least for me who's gonna create the graphics and such like oh right we need that we need that and you guys are seeing all of that you're seeing under the hood and you know this is really a testament to anybody because I know a lot of you have followed my work Eileen's work and just sort of the tech folk you know we've sort of been going on this journey with some deviations here and there since the tech TV days and many of you have known us since then many of you have come along for the ride along the way but daily tech new show the team at daily tech new show this is a testament to how good they are at what they do because I don't really know what Roger and Joe and Amos do behind the scenes I mean I do in theory but I you know now that Eileen's like huh alright I gotta I gotta do this I gotta do that you know I'm like and I just never really asked because somebody else was so good at it you know I just kinda you know I do my thing and you know it all hopefully seems like a you know super great harmonious product but shout out shout out to the people behind the scenes because it's not hard it's not it's not easy it's definitely hard is this Chad I think it is OMGCraft it is Chad yeah you joined late Chad we talked about spatial audio a while ago but I guess it's never too late to talk about spatial video now okay so somebody else asked about this and the idea would be I mean I think you're sort of you know being cheeky about 3D video using the Apple Vision Pro I think unless there's something I'm not getting but the idea would be okay if it's and you know the future of Apple, Apple Vision would we offer a 3D version of the show to watch on a pro or I don't know in some sort of 3D experience otherwise I don't know how we would record that I don't I mean not with my equipment right now it could be done I think we'd have to you know probably bring in someone to be like here's what you gotta do you know and this and that but I mean I guess never say no that could be very interesting I don't know how compelling it would be but maybe I just don't understand the depths of our capability Eileen yeah well also how many people could experience it what's the percentage of people out there that would be able to experience something like that but I guess we could just is it worth it to do that for a small percentage versus I guess we'd offer both I mean listen even five people cared about but it wasn't hard to add to the process then yeah yeah I mean there are things that are asked of podcasts all the time like not even podcasts that I'm associated with because you hear you know if you listen to a podcast often enough it's like I know you've all been asking about this and that but here's why we can't do it or here's why we went in another direction and you know that's usually just time and resource thing not because we don't want to like be so cool right so maybe you know down the line if it's become it becomes a thing that's really easy to do with dare I say it AI we could just hit a button and it happens with the export of this video now Mike Mills in our youtube chat Mike Mills I see you by the way he's a buddy of mine he's a have such a good day at fan which is another podcast that I produce he said you can airplay from an Apple vision pro so airplay to your Mac and then record that video I guess that's true but then yeah I guess that's true and then would it just it wouldn't it would be like optical versus digital zoom where it would be digital versions of 3D I don't know see we have things to learn here we'll try we'll try these are great ideas we'll try it if it's easy if it doesn't take hours um let's see here anybody else uh somebody see you know what I did want to talk about I lean just because we're all here I know we're gonna wrap up soon we told everybody an hour and you know and that's what we're gonna do but um and I know that it's like slightly cheating to be like well if you can watch something that's you know a TV show or movie on an Apple device it counts but you know what it counts it counts yeah totally counts especially if it's an Apple TV plus show and the um trailer for the sci-fi show constellation just dropped did you watch it I did watch it and I felt like there was a there was two plot twists it seems kind of scary who's real the child or her right yeah like some yeah something's going on here you know and and I mean listen it's just a trailer so it's not like we have no spoilers to spoil here but um if you haven't watched it the premise the very very overarching premise seems to be woman has been in space for a period of time something happens while she's up there she gets back to earth okay but everything's different and I gotta say Eileen Apple TV plus has been you know pretty much baton 400 for me I love all the original series I watch all of them I you know I'm into this too I haven't watched in a while only because um I've been in k-drama world but everything that I've watched prior to this prior to not continuing has been amazing amazing on Apple TV so uh yeah this is on the table guys if you guys want to talk about you know we're not going to do cord killer style but we're gonna you know watch on some things especially when it makes a big splash you know not quite sure how we do it differently than others but why the hell not yeah I mean I think if let's say we both watch constellation and we both just like oh we really want to talk about this for like 10 minutes you know kind of thing and maybe there are spoilers because it's really hard to like passionately talk about anything without spoiling something you know that could go at the end of episode where everybody knows ahead of time you know here's what we're gonna talk about if you don't want it you come back next week or you just skip it all together you know we'll we we never want to like spoil anybody's fun but talking about content is a big part of you know having an iPad which I don't even have right now which is bizarre but um yeah I have an old one um I just I kind of well because I've got the Pro Max you know I've had the Pro Max for um this is a 15 but I had the 13 until a couple of days ago I just I feel like my phone is so big at this point that I'm like you know iPads are awesome but like also a laptop is and then I just you know it's all there already you know it's not heavy just can have it on my lap no no worries although certain friends make fun of me they're like do you ever put the laptop down I'm like why why would I unless I'm like walking in the rain like why it's fine I actually just reconnected with iPad over the summer and I like I said I've been using it for digital planning I thought I was going to be editing more on this turn like video editing turns out I'm doing everything on my phone anyway and then a little bit on my desktop um but I am finding different kinds of uses you know in terms of creativity like um I'm using it to you know I'm using the notes feature I'm thinking about more like drawing and um it's helping me I use it when I take my Korean class and I'm actually writing on there instead of notepads stuff like that um and I'm you know just been kind of getting back into the iPad world again uh that's cool even though yeah yeah it's fun well and you know going back to the vision pro and um you know apple sort of touting like millions of apps will work you know out of the gate um and you know people rightly pointing out like well a lot of those are just going to be iPad apps that you can use inside the vision pro they're not actually like built from the ground up for vision os which is that uh you know the vision pros operating system this was the exact same thing that we went through when the iPad launched and a lot of companies were just sort of like oh it's an iPhone app but it works on your iPad you just you know do 2x and it's fine and at the time when I was doing iPad today on twits uh with Leo uh Laport uh where Eileen worked as well you know sometimes he'd be like yeah but it's only an iPhone app but I'm like but it's fun like there's certain apps that you want to be you know natively built for an iPad something that's you know if it's a game or otherwise very visually forward but like if I'm like paying someone on Venmo yeah just give me the iPhone app like I don't need it to like be like extra imagined you know like that kind of thing and so I think that there's some vision pro stuff that I think we're we're going to get into some of those conversations again of people being like well but it's not really for vision pro but does it work nicely does that make productivity better for you know enough people where it becomes a thing I think a lot of that stuff it remains to be seen yeah no I agree we just we have to get our hands on it and uh I know you know really try it out so that is coming it is uh speaking of uh when it's coming um so it was ordered on let me pull up my calendar on January 19th that was four days ago Friday January 19th um and it is barring any weird difficulty because it is raining in LA after all will be delivered on um February 2nd Friday February 2nd so a week from Friday which happens to be groundhog day so you know what if we don't like the vision pro we'll just go back into our den and you'll never hear from us again hahaha hahaha well um I guess you know we're kind of towards the end um we are going to shoot another next week I think we're going to shoot a beta episode we are yes kind of just you know work it out see what a real show could be like have actual topics and a run down and stuff like that uh and then the real episode would be the week after that would be February 5th episode then how does everybody feel about that oh well I mean me good I good good good good you got one fan I wish you could do the hurts ah we'll figure that out before myself before it shows yeah yes yeah it's a heart from me an air heart yeah um alright one last uh oh yeah this is a good one last unboxing you better believe it I love doing unboxing videos I do it all the time for my kpop uh stuff so we're going to do that also Eileen you you can't just like like casually be like oh for my kpop stuff unboxing it's like we're going to have to we're going to have to figure out how things like that get incorporated into the show because lifestyle after all okay we're we're you know we we got to you know lift the veil we ourselves absolutely that's what we're doing you're going to hear about it you're going to get to know us even more uh I'm new to a lot of you I think you've heard about me tangentially through Tom but uh or maybe you followed me in the past so maybe there's a little bit of I have to reintroduce myself to everybody Sarah because most of them know you I mean sure but a lot of them know you too and you know it's it's great it's great yay we are we're so excited about this as we wrap up uh thanks to all of you for jumping in um and watching just kind of this sort of brain dump of ours we knew today didn't have a real you know format and we hope that you know it was just sort of fun to to be a part of this thanks to everybody who has already given us suggestions um if you have others um please hesitate to reach out and uh Eileen and I are on all the socials um I'm at Sarah Lane on kind of everything if I'm not at Sarah Lane I'm at Sarah Lane rocks um but you can find me you can find me I'm not hard to find and Eileen what about you yeah I'm on um Instagram and Twitter uh Twitter Eileen TV or Insta there you go Eileen are if you dare look at my tiktok it's all kpop stuff I'm there but you just reminded me I need to make a show email show email show email basic how basic we are not there yet like this is how how we are developing the show I remember I asked you like oh what should our show email be and then I you know we haven't we haven't done it yet oh my gosh okay yes so you know let this be a lesson to all y'all um as much as you know you may launch a show and have done it a million times there'll be a weird DNS issue we will forget to set up our show email I mean we could call it you know feedback at AppleVisionShow.com we I don't know I mean do we want to choose that now do we want to think about it we will uh Eileen's like let's think about it we don't have to do this on the fly I know I know it's a lot um boy so that they know like this is some of the stuff that we still have to get together so thank you for your patience and thanks for being interested yes yeah yeah we we want you to be as part of the show as possible in its infancy for lack of a better term I mean that's really what it is and you know so so here we all are and it's been it's been super great to see people you know with us in chat and popping in off and hopefully telling a friend if this if this seems like yo jam then do you know spread the word and we you know our our subscription um smash that subscribe button it's live AppleVisionShow.com um that's audio but there's a link to subscribe to the video feed there as well and like I said we plan to uh be uh streaming live when we do the show when we actually stream live so that um those of you who can participate live um can be as much of the show as as possible you know asking questions and offering insight and how you know how the whole cool live thing works I didn't know how many times I did this but obviously I've done this like three or four times now during our workshop are you can you see it now so yes I can I'm always excited Sarah did you see it did you see it oh I see it no I see it I was just I was on a slight delay yeah just like New Year's Eve you know slight delay exactly exactly all right I think we're going to sign off soon yes this will be likely the normal time starting around two-ish two after uh DTNS and then you know the on-demand will hopefully be up same day if not first thing on Tuesday morning so indeed and listen we you know we know we've thrown a lot of uh information at everybody uh about what we plan to do what we want you know to hear from you uh you know questions that we still have to you know figure out amongst ourselves the timing of the show all of that we will do our absolute best to to um to make sure you're the first to know um you know if if if anything that's set in stone anything changes you know again um we're all in this together so um this was really fun Eileen I was like I was like a little bit nervous I'm not going to lie I was a little nervous just sort of like does anyone care um but but I I I feel like you know I feel good about it I do too I think people do care and you know please enjoy our adventure the ride come along we'll give you tickets we'll give you virtual tickets to be a part of the show and hopefully you'll stay and not want to leave the park correct yeah I'm just think of us like Adele in Vegas you wouldn't leave really you would leave really you've paid so much yeah you want to see except not like that at all again we're shopping it yeah could you imagine a guest like her on the show how do you use Apple products Adele like I mean if someone was like do you want Adele to be on your show she's never once touched an iPhone I'd be like yes and it will be a four hour show and we will talk to her what would work for her life you know that's cool hey man I mean reach for the stars that you know we you know when we talk about having guests on lots of guests going to be great but if we can get Adele we've really made it so you know let's make it now this is our quest this is our quest that now we we're going to speak it into existence yeah yeah we are we are manifesting it you know she is in our area she is in Southern California for most I'm pretty sure she's living here now so maybe we'll bump into her I know she goes to Bristol farms this is how much I know I'm not really a stalker I just know these things a little bit dude you're getting Adele that's right okay you know what I'm just going to put her as motivation motivation everybody oh my gosh alright alright everybody thank you again for joining us this was super fun and again I was about to say Daily Tech News show I am on too many shows Apple vision show dot com is where you can just kind of just kind of it's our home base for now you can get all the links there and again you know it's about the words if you can if you're so inclined and we'll see you next week alright guys see you guys next week bye