 All right, so this is a follow-up to the back place hard drive stats of 2017 now I seen some people say that their BS they shouldn't be used for decision-making and I know this is just a factor in decision-making But they I think back place really provides some detailed statistics one They give you all the data if you want to remissage the numbers yourself, but let's dig into a couple things. I was linked to a video or someone says oh, they're not using enterprise drives therefore this comparison is very unfair and To the drive manufacturers and I'm like no Like you're right on some of them not being enterprise drives So they're not being used the way they should be used and if you use something not the way it should be used It's definitely gonna wear out more and not you know last as long as manufacturers expect so That being said I did some digging. So here's the charts the C gate drives the HGSTs WCWC's and one things we kept bashing on is been C gate because of some of the high failure rates that were higher than the overall average Matter of fact C gates was pulling up some of the overall averages on the failure rates on here Now an aggravation to me is that this is just a photo and I can't just click model numbers to do the research But don't worry. I took care of that for you. I threw this all into a Google drive Document so I can just link it to you you can click on these and do some of your own reading Do you some of your research and learn more about the drives now? I highlighted these in orange because these are The couple really bad failure rates and a perfect example of drives not suited for the use. These are standard desktop drives like Put them in your own computer not put them in even a NAS not put them in an enterprise environment with very high usage So it is fair to assess that these drives having premature failure makes sense it's not they're not suited for that level of use and Statistically when you look at the number of drives they have to see that only 1.65% of these drive failures You're talking about Thousands and thousands of hard drives to even come up with that number hard drive failures I mean they do happen often enough. We see them. I own a computer store But in the big picture of things I rarely ever had a hard drive fail and all my years one of mine It's not it's a it's just a gamble always back up, but hard drive. This is why it's so hard to produce this kind of data on These systems, especially when you talk about like a desktop system It would take to get this many desktop systems spin it up and down when you're not actually using them A long time to die because they're not being heavily taxed or heavily used my computers at home Off most of the time when unless I'm actually using it the same with here when I'm here I'm using it when I leave I shut it down suspended hard drive spin down So they don't see the near the usage and where you're gonna see running in a data center now These seagates like I said, they failed prematurely But we jump up just to this one here and granted It's 29% because you don't have a lot of drives But it is a barracuda drive and one above it which they have a lot more of this M 000 drive they have 32,000 hard drives with almost three million Day count on here. So that's days of all these guys being using in usage They have all their statistics. I guess I'll link the back way so you can see their formulas But that's a really high failure rate for these drives, and I know barracuda is kind of like okay I'll put them in my nastor a little bit better. They're not enterprise. So let's jump up to the enterprise drives Here's the seagate 8 terabyte enterprise class drive And I have a like said Amazon affiliate links for all these if you want to buy one 1.2 percent That's still pretty low failure rate overall The drives I put the prices of the drives here just can get an idea about how much they cost That's gonna vary with Ben based on when you're looking at this this video. So this drive at 1.2 percent That's a little higher 0.9 percent pretty low 0.99 and then this one here is at 2.01 percent, but all these top ones here. These are seagate enterprise I believe there. Yeah, these are the enterprise helium drives So maximum storage capacity for high Shrek space efficiency Blah blah blah lots of marketing stuff in here, but these are their this is the the king daddy of what they do This is their premium helium product Next to ssd. So this is their premium spinning product that they make for high capacity and it has a High failure rate. Okay, not real high. I know you're you're like time you're splitting hairs here But when I look at these hgsts the the first one here, I Have the data sheet pulled up on let me get it here This is the just standard Death Star hard drive. So the first one that's in this list is your Death Star 5k 4,000 Hitachi D for Death Star as for standard Not an ass not anything. This is like a consumer buy it put it in your Computer hard drive. I I have some prices in here But the prices are based on their new NAS drive which when you search the model number comes up So I have a link in there to the NAS one. I know it's not the exact same drive. So I'm qualifying that right now But it is the standard cool spin desktop hard drive point 32% failure really low. I don't know what the price of the drive was like I said They couldn't find I searched them and it was just really old dead links for this particular model number now The HM stood for a mega scale hard drives. Let me read you what the mega scale says Which is kind of weird. So this is the mega scale specifications They have a data sheet on them and where is it right here mega scale HP ships mega sale DC hard drives for low workloads and The mega scale 4,000 bees are not for high workload. This is some of the other You know data statistics they have on these drives So once again, not enterprise level drive at point one nine percent failure rate and here's another one There's a slightly varied model. I don't know exactly what the difference is. I actually I didn't type the B in here This is the B ones and a ones of B. So the B model has make sure I get them right Point four or five percent. Yes, there's the B. There's the a model I don't know exactly what the differences are in those. I'm not that relevant to me You can look forward if you want, but these drives look at the count of drives They have you've come into between all the Hitachi drives. You've got about two million drive days and See about 22,000 hard drives. So plenty sample and you're not skewing it by only having a few drives It didn't fail. So it looks like they're doing great. That's why I skipped Some of them like the Toshiba They have 45 hard drives with only 4,000 days none failed. Thank you good. That's good But that's not the best statistic compared to a million drive days and you know 22,000 hard drives But compared to we speaking these HDSTs super reliable and then we come back to the Western Digital's now I've always loved Western Digital for their warranties, but they're actually Not quite as good as the C8. Now. I know these are just the red NAS drives. They're not their Full-blown high-end enterprise drives, but still um, that's that's a kind of a high failure rate But oddly zero on this one here So I thought that was kind of strange the three terabytes apparently were rock solid, but the four terabyte and six terabyte now That's usually strange because when you double a terabyte you might sometimes just doubling the platter So usually you might assume that this one and this one are built on the same. It's a gas I don't know for sure aren't the same platform But they do have a higher Do have a fair rate versus this has no failure rates and they have a decent not a huge amount of dry So that's also with the Western Digital Take it with a grain of salt they have 180 drives installed and only 45 of the other one So I'm not gonna beat up too hard on Western Digital because it's a low drive count But the C gates we got some really high drive counts in there, you know, 7,000 and here 1,000 220 here So 7,000 220 there so really high drive counts on the C gates 180 drives and 45 drives on the Western Digital Maybe not quite enough for a statistic, but 437 we're getting up there with a pretty high one with this one here So this is a little bit deeper look into those statistics and they're not the only statistic maybe for buying a hard drive I mean price comes in as a factor. So, you know, how are they priced? Are they affordable for the project? But you have to calculate it especially as a business owner I think about all right if I have to build a rave for a client and I have to warranty it and I have to deal with The client any downtime that's related to that I want to take in that consideration and if I pay a little bit more now and I know if it's the drive is You know $30 more drive and I'm putting four drives in. Okay, that's gonna add up There's a hundred and twenty more dollars But what does it cost me to send a tech out there rebuild it go through the inconvenience of it and send that drive back Which means I usually have to get another drive and put it in there and wait for that one to come back and The headache of it all When you're a home user sure you can you can use it to shop price and go Okay, I want the cheapest one because this is what I have a budget for And then there's speed is going to be a factor how fast are some of these drives? There's some variations in here some of these have 256 meg cash means have 64 meg cash But overall I got a man. I am really impressed with these HGST desert now What I did link to with the Amazon here, and I'll click it for you is They I searched a model number these ones come up these nas ones and maybe they're the replacement for it They're a similar drive and now they just sell them as a NAS drive makes me kind of wonder if they go Hey, these are so right. Well, let's put NASA. I don't know if that really happens. I'm completely speculating on that But HGST, they've really they seem to have a good reputation We actually are running for eight of them now eight HGSTs in our Array, and I haven't had any problems and they've really held up well and not give me any crap So I haven't had any of them die on me Well, we had the one time we ever had one die was out of the box when it was shipped to us from the company And it was broke on the side and we put it in anyways because we want to see what happened And it lasted a week and then it just crapped out So that's the only HGST died and they sent me another one and we replaced it We've never had a problem since no bad sectors or anything and ours is you know pretty intensely used It's my freelance box that runs my array that runs my Zen server and we dump client files back and forth to it for our retail server backup So they're in constant use not the same hard use you're gonna get out of back plays But definitely in some pretty heavy use But this is a deeper look at the entire back plays drives And I figured why not link to them for you so you can do your own research and you know Look at the model numbers and make some decisions on this This is not the end all for everything But I wanted you know for people that kind of called me out on it You sure I think that was a fair assessment to say well if you're gotta be comparing apples to apples And so I highly these for they are absolutely high failure rate And they're completely not for use, but then I look just below it going not for use But wow these things are made really well So that's just my thoughts on this and some of the hard drives But if you're doing if you're here because of my free nas videos and things like that This is something when you're gonna build a free nas box. You have to make a lot of decisions On hard drives and it's helping influence my decisions to buy some HG STs I'm if I was gonna build another array. It's still a toss-up. I like the Western digital So I built a few of them with those and those are running fine Without any problem. They're not been a headache And all we've built a handful on the Western digital platform with their purples We've built a handful of surveillance systems with like four cameras and a WDC purple four terabyte Simple drives and knock on wood none of those to give us any trouble But I don't I'm not installing them at 29,000 drives at a time So I have to rely on anyone who can aggregate massive data I wish Google would give us more data any of these data centers Open it up a little bit be like the back plays guys We the more data we can get the better picture we can get mean share some knowledge And we you know, especially with the manufacturers themselves. This has got to be helpful to manufacturers to understand what's going on in these data centers I don't know what level of interaction they have but hopefully a lot because we want like to see some improvements on that So if you like to come here like a subscribe if this was helpful Hopefully it was let me know if I'm completely wrong and bonkers. So you call me out on it Feel free to leave comment below Give a thumbs up on this video and like subscribe all that fun stuff That's it for now. I'm gonna get back to work But this was interesting. This was my deeper dive into it and links will be to this document It'll be public so you can click on everything and you know not have to look at the stupid JPEG Man by the way back plays if you watch this can you not make that a JPEG that would make my life easier. Thanks