 I know some of you are really struggling with this. Because for some of you are going, but you're just, you know, you're just, you know, you're making a sound, you're giving people license to just go sin. You know, you've cheapened grace, or you give people license, just go out and do whatever they want to. So you're telling me, Bob, come on. You're telling me that once I've got my meal ticket, like once I've got my fire insurance, like I got my get out of hell free car, like, you know, I pray the prayer, like I receive Christ, like you're telling me I can do whatever I want and I can go to heaven. Is that what you're telling me? That's exactly what I'm telling you. Oh, Lord Jesus. And if that makes you uncomfortable, it's because you get it. If that makes you squirm, it's because you get it. If that makes you say, but I would never do it. Exactly. You wouldn't, but God would. And that's why it is amazing, amazing, undeserved, amazing grace. Hey, bro, come on now, dawg. Come on, man. It was a mom at a different church who called and said her teenage son was just killed and was asking if he would do the funeral. See, what had happened is that these two teenage boys, I think they were seniors at the time that they were driving through their subdivision going way too fast, lost control of the car, ran into a telephone pole. The boy that was driving got out of the car, limped away to go get help while this lady's son passed away in the car. And so this lady calls and says, will you please do the funeral? See, my friend years ago used to be the youth pastor at this church. And this young man was in his youth group. And the last conversation that my friend had with this young man was when he was 14 years old at youth camp. It was when he was 14 years old at youth camp. And the conversation, see, the kid didn't want to be at youth camp. His parents wanted him to be at youth camp, but he didn't want to be at youth camp. He was very frustrated that he had to be there at youth camp. And so he pulled his youth pastor aside and he says, listen, man, I just want you to know, and I'm gonna, I've now decided to be an atheist. I've now decided to be an atheist. And here's the reasons why. So he kind of walks through all that kind of stuff. And so when he, so he told the mom, he said, yeah, I'll do the funeral. Now, just imagine, I mean, this was the last conversation that they had. I mean, this was the last conversation that they had before now he finds out that he had passed away. So he goes to the funeral and there's all, I mean, if you've ever been to a funeral of a teenager, there's usually tons and tons and tons of students. And again, he went there and a lot of them kind of look like they also kind of held his same beliefs where they didn't really care about God or didn't care about the church or any of those kind of things. And so, so again, in his mind, he's like, what do I say in front of literally hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of students that packed out this place? But see, the youth pastor knew something about this kid that all his friends didn't know. And so he shows up to the funeral and one of his friends decides to read the horoscope of the day that he died because his mom had let the friends be able to plan the whole funeral. So then they have some music and then my buddy gets up to give the message. And again, he knew something that had happened that these kids didn't know. So he knew when this young man was 10 years old at a kids camp, he had approached the children's pastor and said, I really want to accept Christ. And so the children's pastor walked him through to make sure he really understood what he was asking for. And do you really believe that Jesus is the Son of God? And you know, walk through all that and do you believe he died for you? Absolutely. And so when he was 10, he prayed to receive Jesus Christ as his savior. Hold it now! Hold it now, wait! Wait, wait, wait! It was when he was 14 years old at youth camp. I've now decided to be an atheist. Hold up! Hold up! Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So the youth pastor stands in front of this large crowd and he says, as you know, you know, he used the young man's name. He says, you know, he wasn't much into authority. And of course, all the kids started laughing and he goes, and I was that authority in his life at that time of his life. And they laughed even more. And he says, you know, the last conversation that me and the young man had was when he told me he was an atheist. Was when he told me he was an atheist. But I wanna tell you something else. On the day that he was killed, there were two surprises. The first one was his death. Surprised all of us, saddened all of us. The second surprise was that when he opened his eyes on the other side, he was face to face with his loving Heavenly Father who doesn't change his mind or break his promises. What? Are you serious? And he went on to explain that through the gift of grace and through a momentary act of faith when he was 10 years old, he put his trust in Jesus Christ as his savior who died for his sins. And he said, you could almost hear a pin drop. And in that moment, he had an opportunity to share about the free gift of grace, of salvation with those kids, not because of the lifestyle or because of the good works of that teenager. But he got to share it because of the grace and the mercy and the love and the faithfulness and the goodness of the one who saved him. The lies, there you go, the lies, the lies. The lies. We outta here. And I wanna give a quick shout out to the Zetas and I'm hoping on this is messing us up. The betas who are here representing if I say that properly, I wanna say, Zetas and sigmas. Zetas and sigmas. I wanna say thank you for joining us here at Impact Church of the Woodlands. We're so delighted that you're here. Hey, we want to say again, welcome to the zetas and the sigmas. We're glad that you're here and welcome to the Zenas. And as we say in this hour, I'm beautifully scheduled for winter. And as we get off the road Welcome to the Zetas and the Sickles. We're glad that you're here. We're glad that you came to grace us with your presence. Grace us with your presence. Just with your presence, we're delighted you came. I'm a son of five new pie. I'm a son of five new pie. But we are glad to have you. We thank you and we're glad that God brought you into our sanctuary this morning. Thank you so much for being here. It's time to say goodbye for now. Back to the drawing board. Welcome to love, life, and marriage with the Woods. I'm Seco. And I'm Sharon. Welcome to our channel. Please do the following. Please like, subscribe, share. Hit the notification bell at the bottom of this video that way when we go live and post any content, you'd be one of the first to do it. Also, if you'd like to support the ministry of finance, you can do so by clicking the donation links below the bottom of the video. As you can tell, we are not too happy right now. And I guess we always talk about letting you into our world and letting you know what's going on in our lives. And this is no different. And I'm going to try and share as much as we can about our Sunday. Most likely, our last Sunday at the church that we thought was a perfect fit for me and my family. And even that's kind of up in the air because we don't know how this is going to affect us as a family unit, whether we, my wife and I are the only ones going. And whether our two oldest daughters are still going to be attending. But I guess we'll let you all know about it now. So I will, I guess, just start it off by just saying that we don't have any intention of attacking anyone. That it's not our goal. That it's not our heart. That it's not what we're about. But we do believe in addressing things, not just in other people's lives that we do videos on, whether it be in Hollywood, whether it be in our communities or whether it be around the world or whether it be in our own country, our nation, whether it be a particular political leader, it's whatever the case might be. It's one thing when we talk about the lives of others. But it's another thing when we have to talk about things that are going in our own lives. And so we want to be consistent. We want to be transparent as much as possible. We want to be as real as possible. I would have to say that this is disappointing. And if this were a baseball game, this makes a strike three. And for us, for my wife and I, we're out. We're out. And we don't take any pleasure or joy in this because we really, really thought that this will be something that we can see ourselves being a part of. I will say that the church that we had attended, we enjoy the worship. I mean, we enjoy it really. And I believe, I let my wife share her thoughts. I enjoy the worship, I really did. I enjoyed pretty much the hospitality, the people, the men's fellowship, all of that. And so making these decisions are not easy, especially when you have family. Especially when you've been going to this church and going to that church. And it seems like, why is it that you try to find a church and then when you think that you found one, it's always those things that you try to work through. But you can't compromise. You can't jettison biblical principles and convictions. And we'll share with you some of those things in this broadcast. Do you realize it's been 10 months? Yeah, yeah, because June would have made a year that we had been going to the church. So yeah, so here's the final straw for us. Here's what caused us to say, OK, we're done. We're tapping out. There's no sense in us trying to make this work when we don't believe it is. Now, I will say this. Do I plan on contacting the pastor? Don't know. I don't know, because there are other factors involved with that. And we can talk about that as well, too. So what's the reason why we've decided to no longer attend our church? It's because we cannot allow, we cannot condone, idolatry, paganism, or things that are steep and rooted in demonology. We can't do it. And we have been wrestling with this. I'll say I've been wrestling with it for a little bit for a while. But I think the last and final straw came this Sunday. At the time of this recording, it would be last Sunday. But the Sunday that we attended, this past Sunday that we attended, that was it. And well, the funny thing about it, I knew for me that was going to be it. And I had no question or no doubt that my wife was going to probably say the same thing. We hadn't even said anything. And I knew that when we were walking out of the sanctuary going into the foyer, and you said what? And what did you say? I said, we are spiritual vagabonds. You said that in the car. No, you said that in the car. What did you say? Yeah. What did you say walking out when we were walking out and we saw the sister walking and she was already in the floor, we were walking toward the foyer out the sanctuary and we were walking. And you said, well, that's it. You said that's it. I've said that before. No, you said, well, that's it. I guess we got her. No, we go again. And I said, yep. That's what I said. Here we go again. Here we go again. And so I knew what she meant when she said that. And so what was it that caused us to now basically say, this is, we can't continue this? Because this was the second. Well, I don't know how. Well, I don't even know. Because we're not, I'm not a frat. My wife is not a sorrow. We have never blessed any fraternity, any sorority at all. Our position on that is that we don't believe Christians should be pledging or aligning themselves with that of any secret society. Because Christianity is not a secret society. Our loyalty is to Christ. And we make our covenant with Him in marriage. We don't make covenants with demons. We don't make covenants with things that have its roots and its origins in paganism. And when I say paganism, I'm not just talking about that, which is, you know, non-religious. I'm talking about where you can trace these fraternities and sororities and secret societies back to Satan worship. These sororities and societies, sororities and fraternities, rather, have its roots in pagan gods. Every last one of them has a pagan god that they can be blessed to. I don't believe that we need those in order to have relationships with people. Because that's the claim that I hear a lot. Well, I just wanted to be a part of something. I just wanted to have my sisters that, you know, that support me and that encourage me. Or I just want the brotherhood, you know, type of thing. We are the part of all that. We should be able to have that in the body of Christ. Not in some society or some group that's supposed to take the place of the church and it shouldn't. Right. I mean, and that's why I said that when we look at these types of things, we can't act as though this is just minimal. This is, you know, it's not of any substance. No, it is. And so I think that when we talk about this stuff, we have to really be honest with ourselves and ask this simple question. Why can't the church just be holy? Why can't we be split apart? You know, I don't even know. I don't even know if the past is aware of this. And I might, most likely, I probably will because it's going to come down to the point to where, you know, somebody's going to drop to me if they do, but we'll find out. But nonetheless, if the pastor really knows the origins of these fraternities and sororities. Now, I'm going to get the benefit of the doubt and say he may not. That's what I said earlier, but then I thought about, I'm like. Okay, so, okay, tell me. The more I thought about that, the more I said, okay, you are too learned in the scriptures to not know. Okay. This is not, that's not gonna, when and if you ever bring this up, this is not going to be the first time he's heard this. So you're of the persuasion, you're of the conviction that you convinced that he's heard this before. Now, whoever may have brought it to him before may not have been able to bring a biblical perspective. And it was just a preference or at least it just came off as that. And not, they were not able to provide evidence as to why Christian should not be a part of nor condone such things. Yeah, well, I mean, no, no, it's most likely he is. I mean, and again, you're the one that's giving benefit, you're the one that's saying, no, I believe he does know I'm the one for the record, ladies and gentlemen, giving benefit of the doubt. So see how they're switching. Some of y'all were thinking, okay, he automatically, no, she's the one that's saying, no, I think he know. I'm convinced he knows. I'm saying it may be a possibility that he doesn't. But now would I be surprised if the pastor does know and doesn't think that this is an issue of seriousness and importance, that's possible as well. Because my question would be this, this is what I would ask any believer who claims to be a part of such frats or sororities. My question would be if you were asked to denounce your membership and you say, oh no, I can't do that, what would be holding you to such an allegiance? What, why would you want to give an allegiance to that magnitude, to something or someone or something that is not rooted and grounded in scripture? Could be from people just out of ignorance. A lot of people don't know the roots and orders of these things, most black people don't know. But if you say I pledge allegiance to no one but to Christ himself, if I make, I don't, I don't, what's the word, I don't not make a vow, but I don't, I guess make pledges. But then people say, well, you say you pledge allegiance to the flag. And that's different because I could be loyal to my country, my country is not telling me to do something. And there's a sense of loyalty to the country that God has you in now. And I mean, people will bring that up. So I pledge allegiance to the flag, to United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. So I'm pledging, I'm saying I will be loyal to this country. And so far, the country is not telling me to do anything that violates God's word. Well, I can't, it's not, and here's another thing. I'm not bowing to a flag. I'm not bowing to a country. I'm not bowing to the Statue of Liberty. I'm not bowing to anybody except God. These fraternities and sororities, their ritual handbooks, make them not only pledge to a God, a deity, but then you have to bow to it. You have to give your life to that particular organization, i.e. that deity. I've read one of the ritual books, and I'm asking myself, okay, is it out of ignorance is people don't realize what they have, or some people may believe they can be loyal to both a foreign God and to God, but they probably don't even see these fraternities and sororities as a form of worship. So is that not the same as being polytheistic or having more than one God? Yeah, it is. Well, it's especially, yeah, it's being, you're best of being duplicitous. You're having dual loyalties. And God said, you should worship me only. That's it. So, you know, and the reason why this is kind of like bothering me is because I already know it's gonna be a problem. And what do I mean by that? It's gonna be a problem with our girls. Because they like the church. They enjoy it going. And so as their father, you know, wanting them to make biblical decisions and things of that nature, this is gonna be a test now to see who are you going to serve and really test your discernment. As well. So, because it's one thing, if I knew that the church was about this and then I just had everybody go anyway, this was all surprise. I mean, you know, and we're not the only couple. We're not the only couple that have issues with this. We're just one of the ones that's now in front of you sharing our story and just being real and transparent. This is not about us trying to, you know, putting anybody on blasts, but they made the public announcement on their channel. I mean, they streamed it on their channel. This is where, you know, first of all, before we even joined the church, we went through seven weeks of class. We, first of all, we attended for months before we even went to class. Then we decided, okay, well, the classes were designed for you to go and find out more about the church. You know about this? That was the purpose of the classes that we attended for seven weeks. Right. And during that seven weeks, they went through what the church believes, they went through what they don't believe. Right. They went through, I guess, kind of an order of how they do things. Right. But this was never covered. Never. And so the first red flag was, That's what we're talking about it. Yeah. The first red flag. We kind of talked about what it's then tied to. Yeah. But let's deal with it. The first red flag was that they condone and adhere to tithing. Tithing. So when we heard that, okay, we all know that there is no perfect church, right? None. There's not one. Okay. So you have to decipher yourselves, your family, y'all have to make that decision, what hill you're willing to die on. Right. For us, tithing was not an issue for us to say, okay, no, we out of here. Well, okay, why was it an issue? Because we can decide whether or not we want to do that or not. We believe in free will giving. Right. And there was supposed to be a conversation, but that never happened. No. For whatever reason, God just didn't allow that to become a part of the conversations that he has had with the pastor. Right. And he's had more than one. Yup. But that particular issue never came up. Right. So we decided, okay, we're just gonna fudge forward. We're gonna keep moving forward. We kept going to class. That was the only red flag, I think, at the beginning. At the time, yeah. Yeah, at the beginning. And then we decided, okay, we can deal with that. Right. You know, this is something that we can deal with. Even the statement that he made, we were willing to say, okay, opportunity presents itself, then I will ask him about the statement that he made regarding tithing and members who don't. Because I try to now in my life and have been trying to in my life to decide which heel I'm gonna die on, which issue I'm gonna be wanting to go to the mat on. And so, again, like you said, that, okay, I know what we're gonna do, so unless you're telling me that in order to be a member, I must do this or if you're telling me in order to be in ministry, I must do this and you're talking about acting like the IRS and making sure that everybody else serving in the ministry is a tither. It's actually doing it. Yeah, then we've definitely been out. But that wasn't stated. So, but what was stated was that if a person doesn't tithe, they should be ashamed of themselves. That statement not only bothered me, but it bothered other people once we had, just had general conversations about the new membership class. And people were saying like, dang, I mean, that's kind of harsh. That's kind of, that's somewhat, you know, even though, I don't think the pastor would have said that he's trying to not coerce or guilt-trip anyone, but that can come across as guilt-tripping. It can come across as manipulative. It can come across as people now feeling or concluding in their mind that they're in sin if they don't. And so, aside from the scriptures that were being used that did not apply at all to the New Testament model of giving, at all. Now, we have some brothers and sisters who believe that the church in Israel are one and the same. I do not. And neither does the church that we attend, which was, again, something that just amazed me because why are we taking Old Testament law and trying to import it over into the New Testament and make that applicable when it comes to tithing? And technically, there's more than one tithe. There's three of them. So why aren't we, if you're going to tell people to tithe, then why aren't you talking about all three tithes? Why are you not talking about the welfare tithe? Why are you not talking about the third year tithe? Why are you just talking about the tithe in Malachi? You know what I'm saying? We were willing to say, okay, you know what? Where I like to say it, where I know every church is not perfect. We don't expect for every church to be, we just want churches to be consistent and be holy. I mean, just do what the word of God says. And when it comes to morality, be obeying to what God's word says. Any issues that are great or that are nuanced, there's room and opportunity for us to have those conversations. So we were willing to impress through that. But there was a strike. That's fine, just get up and go, dear. I'll keep people company, go ahead. I'll keep people company. Yeah, she's going to get a water. So anyway, no, it's not just you with this car. How are you? I know. So that was one of the, and the doors open, jeez. And that was one of the issues that we basically, we kind of like fought it in our mind and said, okay, all right. Now, again, there may be some people that may watch this video and you may follow this channel because you follow this channel through the church that we attended. Again, I'm going to say again, this is not an attack, but these are our concerns and this is what we share with our viewers. We allow our viewers to come into our world and come into our space. So we are able to let them know the things that we go through and how we apply them in our lives. We call it love life in marriage with the woods for a reason. It's not a cliche. So I think that that was an issue that we just filed away. And I said, the opportunity presented this that we were, I would bring that to attention because I believe, and since I know it to be true, that there were other people that seek umbrage in having a serious issue with that statement. So it wasn't just me. So that was one. The second one, which I'm trying to discern whether or not I want to disclose that, but I kind of did maybe in one video when people were asking about the executive pastor, you know, the status on that. Well, that's not going to happen. And it's not because of me. It just basically, there has been no follow-up with that. For reasons I do not know, but I know what was stated to me. I know what was told. I know what was communicated clearly, but for whatever reason that has not materialized. And so I said to myself, okay, I was approached about this opportunity. I did not approach anyone about the opportunity. I was approached about it. And so, you know, during that time, we thought that this was something that the Lord wanted us to basically venture into doing. And you would think, you know, looking at it, if you were in that situation, that this would be something that, wow, okay, if the Lord, you know, had these people contact you the same day that you decided to leave your trucking job that same day. And then, you find out that you are being offered a position. And then now to have that position no longer, to even be spoken of or discussed, then it kind of makes you wonder, you know? So, but again, I know what was stated to me. I know what was told to me. I know what was communicated to me. And I also share that with my wife. So, she is aware and knows what was offered. But now, that has been, you know, you guess you can say dissolve or not even know no longer mentioned. And again, I'm not attacking the past of the church. I have nothing against this brother at all. I have nothing against any of the people there. But from a doctrinal, from a doctrinal and from an honor standpoint, we have concerns. We have biblical concerns about it. And I know some people in the chat and say, have you talked to them about it yet? No, I have not. Now you're sure if this will be even be worth having a discussion at this point? Not sure. Gonna pray about it, but I'm not sure. Yeah. Because I don't want to, I don't want to make any decisions out of emotion or out of, you know, saying out of knee-jerk reaction. This is not knee-jerk reaction. This is something that we basically say, okay, we're going to share with the people what we are dealing with and what we're going through. Because again, we're not the only ones that have been looking for a church. We're not the only ones that want to be in a place that, you know, with a word of God is appealed. And again, not saying that the church is a false church or anything like that, but we can't allow the world to come in and it affect how we worship God. And again, the church advertised fraternities and sororities for the second week. Can we go back just a little bit though? Go ahead. You just mentioned that we cannot let certain things affect our worship or we can allow it to affect how we hear the word of God. Right, yes, yes, yes. And if we're being honest. Go ahead, I'm waiting for you to say what you're gonna say. What you gonna say? Go ahead, you got the floor, man. You know, I told you that, in fact, you told me, you said, let me know. Yes, I did. If it gets to that point. Yes, okay, yes, yes, I did. And so my response today after service was me letting you know. Oh, okay. Because now I find myself or found myself this morning even. And I was like, Lord, please, Lord, please. Okay, when we walked in the building or was it a McLeod? Oh yeah, this was before we even got to church. Really? Yes. Oh, you didn't tell me that. I know. Okay. I was talking to the Lord. This is New York, so I'm gonna listen to her talk. Go ahead. So I was talking with the Lord. What do you say? I'm trying to laugh, y'all, but right now I'm not really feeling this one here, but y'all, what y'all see what y'all get? Cause I'm really bothered by this whole situation. Say the least. As I was talking with the Lord, I really did not get any clear-cut answer until service started. To service started? Until service started. Okay. When you say service started, are you talking about service started when you walk into the sanctuary or you talking about service? I'm talking about after praise and worship. Okay. After praise and worship, because I said, okay, they're singing songs that I like, so that I know. So I'm not gonna let this hinder me from praising God because first of all, he's been too good to us for me not to do that, no matter what we're going through. So I wanted to make sure that I was present in the worship this morning. So that's it. Did you like the worship at the church? I love the worship, which is really one of the things that bothers me and that kind of hurts a lot because we have been looking for this for a long time. No, it's been for years. It's been for years. It's been for years, for years. I mean, for years. The churches that we have been to, that we have been a part of, could not compare to what we had or had or whatever. What we had at this particular place. So when the service started, I mean, after praise and worship started, then the precious little babies, they sang, that was so sweet. After that, when the pastor came up. Well, that was the series that he was teaching. That was the series. He's teaching on. What's the title of the series? Spirit versus flesh. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Which is ironic. Very ironic. As he was teaching, I was puzzled. I was perplexed in my spirit. And perturbed. And perturbed, yes. And I was pissed. All of those things. Perturbed, perplexed, and pissed. I'm trying to laugh y'all, but I don't feel like it. I don't feel like laughing, but I'm laughing to keep myself from anyway. So, because the scripture that he was using was not being applied to the very situation that we're dealing with. Go ahead, talk. So as we were reading the scriptures, as we were reading the verses, then as he began to expound on them, I'm like, do you not hear what you're saying? So it just left me with even more concern. Very much concerned. And then after that, it was kind of brought to my attention even before we walked into the service. That's what I'm saying. Before you walked in. Yeah, before you walked in, that's why I was asking. Well, yeah, I hadn't even paid attention to it until someone brought to my attention. And what did that person say? What I've mentioned any names? Yeah, I'm not gonna mention names. They mentioned to me, did I notice how everybody was dressed in a certain color? What color was that? Blue. It was blue and white or blue and something. Blue and white. Yeah. I don't know what these people turn these into or these are. I mean, I don't know what their colors are. Oh yeah, okay, okay. I only know one color. Okay. And that's the pink and green. But I don't know the other ones. So I assume their colors were blue. Yes. Blue and white or whatever. Yes, yes. So it was a little seed of those people wearing those particular colors. Right. And then they all set off to the side when service started. And then after that, then attention was brought to them. Publicly. Publicly. Publicly then, more than once. Acknowledgement. More than once. Of who they were and why they were gathered and why they were over there. And they kept referring to the. In the reserve section. In the reserve section. The Divine Nine. Yes, yes. Let's give them a hand. And thank them for joining us today. And because all before that, I think two weeks ago, it was a sign-up sheet for all of them to get together and try to plan whatever they were having today. Yeah. And that was the first that we had heard of it. Right. The whole 10 months we've been there. This is the first that we've ever heard of it. We've never heard of it. So it was Zeta Phi Beta and Sigma Gamma. Okay, so that's what we did today. Zeta Phi Beta and Sigma Gamma Role. Those are the two frats and sorrows. Were there any guys? No, no, no. I'm sorry. Zeta Phi Beta and Sigma are both sororities right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, both sororities. I didn't see any frats. No, no. Even the frats are right now. So yeah, both of them were sororities. And again, let's show you how often. I don't, you know, I know about the Divine Nine but I'm saying as far as how they get together and all that kind of stuff, I didn't know that it would be, you know, come first of all at the church we attend, right? I know about the origins. I know about, you know, the founders. I know where they steeped in and all that kind of stuff. As far as their colors, I know nothing about that. I need to do what I can. I only know AKAs. That's the only one I know. I need to do what I can. I don't know anybody else. Right, so yeah, go ahead. But yeah, so then when the attention was brought to them before service, then the attention was brought to them again after service, at least twice. No, I know. It was before, during, and after. Before service, it was brought, well, no, actually. So they- It was in the announcement. It was in the announcement. It was in the announcements in the beginning. In the beginning, yes. And then, you know, he had just basically gave the announcement again about them meeting in the foyer for the Divine Nine. But then also, the pastor had- Right, that's what I'm saying. Before the announcement came after church, the pastor brought attention to them as well. Publicly acknowledged them. Acknowledged them, yeah. And thank God that they were there worshipping them. So that, for me, that's, and again, this is not an attack, but I'm gonna keep it real with y'all. I'm gonna keep it real with y'all. That's no different since the Pan-Hellenic Council, the Divine Nine, originates in paganism, which is of Satan. That's no different than saying, thank God for welcoming, you know, let's welcome, let's give a hand, clap a praise, give God a hand, clap a praise for, you know, the Church of Satan that's just joined us today. That's how I equate this. Because why would I acknowledge an organization or organizations whose foundation is steeped in paganism and idolatry? I mean, and it's not, I'm not dissing anybody, I'm just being direct in my assessment. It is no different than me saying that, hey, the Church of Scientology, you know, has come to worship with us, or the Nation of Islam has come to worship with us, or Black Lives Matter organization has come to worship with us, you know, today. Let's give him a hand, let's give God praise for them coming today. Like, no, no, no. You know, so, you know, I don't think that this is something that is taken serious, man. I mean, this has caused disruption. Would it have been any different for you if it had not been spoken of across the pulpit? Yeah, it would have been different. It would have been different, somewhat tolerable. But the fact that they, I mean, during worship, and it's like not, you're parading paganism across the stage, across the, you know, I mean, it's involved in what we were doing. And then the pastor identified himself as a capital. On stage. Now again, I'm not making any of this stuff up. It'd be different if it wasn't public. It's public because it's on the channel. So we have a right to talk about it. And I'm gonna stand by my own principle that I see in scriptures as well too. When you do something publicly, when you say something publicly, it's fair season. It's fair game for anybody to say something, whether they wanna do a response video to what I say. I don't care. As long as you represent the individual's right and you're not trying to mischaracterize and trying to discredit someone, that's different. But yeah, this is disturbing because again, you were talking about, you came into the church, a sister identified it. Matter of fact, she picked up on it. Yeah, she picked up on it right away. And she asked me. And I did not. Cause I thought, I thought, you know, cause I look at it when. Well, because you have the praise team, they always coordinate every week. So I thought, okay, well, maybe, you know, maybe that's where it is. But then when I saw a whole sea of them, cause there's only like 10, there's only like 10 people on the praise team. You said a whole sea of them, like, I mean, so I'm thinking you ain't just talking about the praise team. You're talking about the whole section. Yeah, because it was them and the sorority people. They all had on the same color. So they kind of all blended in together over there. Yeah, yeah. But share your story because you was telling me what made you decide for yourself why I was at it for you? Well, I mean, I basically said it. That was, that was kind of the last straw, I think for me because I can't. What was the second straw? The second one was what we just talked about. The executive thing. Okay, well, you did, gotcha, gotcha. Yeah, because I don't even wanna go down that rabbit hole. Now you got people's ears peaked. I would say this, say what you mean and mean what you say. Right, let your yabye, yabye, yabye, yabye, yabye, yabye. I mean. If you're gonna do something, in fact, continue to talk. I'm gonna look at proverbs. And on top of that, if you are not going to move forward with whatever it was that you laid out on the table to begin with. Then at least say that, don't be silent. Don't just go somebody and not say and act like you didn't bring all that up before. Don't act like we the ones that's crazy. And no, I didn't say that. Now, for the record, I already know there gonna be some haters, dancing a jig and laughing, like the protestias and the mob. Well, the reason why I'm saying this is because there's a channel that's been making videos about the stuff that we've been talking about. T-G-O-T, this guy over there, that's what it's called. I ended up blocking them, but somebody had put me up on game. So for those of you who are out here and laughing, first of all, I'm not depressed, disappointed in how this has affected our family and the body of Christ, but this doesn't stop what we doing over here. You know what I'm saying? But just want to put y'all on notice and let people know that I see what they're doing. And the reason why I'm saying this is because I know that these people have been watching and have been following me. Cause people have been putting me up on what they've been doing. But I don't want to block this cloud. But the reason why I say this is because again, we're not attacking the church. We're not attacking the pastor. We're just sharing y'all, sharing with y'all what we have done. This is just us. This is our story. This is our story. This is what we experience. And we have a right to share that. Right. We're not lying about it. No, it's just. This is what happened. This is what happened. This is the real. This is what happened. So, you know, so the first track was the tithing in the, guess you can say, you know, telling people to give on the compulsion, to give, you know, out of manipulation. You can't do that y'all. People give according to Bible says, 2 Corinthians 8, 12 according to what they have, not according to what you don't have. And then we don't take scriptures out of context to try to make tithing apply for the Old Testament. And we also don't tell people that since tithing predated the Old Testament, then that means we should be tithing. No, it doesn't because tithing was never money in the first place. And they had money in the Old Testament. They had shekels. That was coinage. That was currency. So you can't use those texts to make it apply. And if it predated the law, then that means we're not under the law to give. No 10%. And you can't use Melchizedek because Abraham only gave one time and it wasn't of his own resource. It was of the spoils that he won that he retrieved back from the five kings that he fought against. So you can't use that. So I'm just saying, let's be biblical y'all. And if God is going to supply our needs, we don't have to manipulate people. We don't have to gaslight people. We don't have to guilt trip people to do anything. And I'm saying that because it ain't just about our situation. There's plenty of you watching this video right now know exactly what we're talking about and know exactly how we feel in a resonation with y'all. And so we're talking to you. We're not talking to those that are out here that they should be trying to be involved in anybody's church or be connected to any ministry. We're talking to those that are searching. We're talking to those who are really looking for a place to worship and to fellowship with other believers and it's hard. It is hard. It is very hard. And they've been let down too. We're not the only ones who have been let down even after going through membership class. Yeah. This video is for y'all. This video is for y'all. We feel y'all. We understand. So again, so the tithing thing was strike one. But we was wanting to say, okay, we'll just follow the way they have a conversation because maybe when somebody talked to him about it or hopefully somebody may talk to him about it and say maybe you all need to amend your position regarding this. What do we see tithing in the New Testament? For the believer to obligate themselves to give 10% of their income. What do we see that in that for personal? Now listen, if you want to do that, then praise God. Do what the Lord has called you to do. But we can't mandate that and make people submit to something that the scriptures don't teach. And then my thing is, if pastors are not even willing to have a conversation about it, then that tells you something. Right. Because if you're saying we ain't gonna convince me otherwise, well then what you're telling me is that the word of God is not the standard. Your convictions are the standard. Because you're not gonna convince anybody that it's commanded in the New Testament for New Testament believers to obey. You're not. Unless you believe that the church is Israel and Israel's a church, then don't just receive the blessings, receive the curse that Israel got right now that they're under too. You can't have it, you can't have it one way. So that's the first thing. The second thing I can say was about the, I don't just say ministry opportunity. That was presented and has been basically, I don't know, you wanna say renege or remove, send it? I don't know, but I'm not taking any of these things personal. And not that we were... It's the principle of the thing. Yeah, it was the principle of the thing. It's not that we were saying that this was a guaranteed thing because it wasn't. This was a topic of discussion, so to speak. It was an opportunity that was laid out before us, or before my husband basically. Right. And now it seems like... There's been no talk about it. There has been no conversation about it at all. No follow-up, no nothing. No, no, when I was told that you'll get a description of your responsibilities given to you, I said, okay, and been waiting, been waiting, and nothing. So I said, okay, I'm not the person that's gonna chase somebody down about something that you said that you want me to do, or that you have presented for me to either consider or to, I mean, I'm just saying, that's not me. So I filed that, but that was straight too. But this right here makes strike three. This right here makes strike three. And there's no way of us trying to sit under that if there's no willingness to consider what message that sends to the body of Christ when it comes to the very sermons in the series that you're talking about and how does that correlate and align and concur with the scriptures? It doesn't. And let me say this, I'm gonna say this as clear, and as, anyway, I'm gonna just say this. If any of you from the mob or whoever, if you went to leadership and somehow found out where we were attending church and you put lies and deceit and twisted words into the mind of the person that suggested to do ministry with my husband and I, and because of what you said, things have now changed and you're happy about that, and you dancing a jig about that now, I promise you God will deal with you. Of course, that's why I'm not even tripping about it. To be honest with you, I'm tripping about the fact that what's being done and what's being brought before God's people can cause God's people to fall into the very carnality and the very worldliness that we're being taught to abstain and avoid. That's the thing that's really concerning to me. And again, whether I talk to him about it or not, that's gonna be up to the Lord for the Lord to decide because in a technical sense, we went through the seven weeks, went through the seven weeks, hadn't signed anything. We attended the seven week class, but nonetheless, we had been consistently and faithfully attending and being a part of the church. I mean, I wanted to use my gifts and ministry, one of my wife and my children to use theirs, get connected, whether the Lord, nothing too, we were going to fellowship breakfast and things like that. My wife was attending women's ministry gatherings and breakfast and things like that. So it wasn't where we were just sitting back and just going and we wanted to be involved. We wanted to connect ourselves with the church. So this is very disappointing. It is very disappointing. And all I'm saying is is that pastors and leaders need to be very mindful of the things that they bring into the church or the things that they acknowledge as not being an issue. Fraternities and sororities are a huge issue. And Christians need to be mindful of that. They need to stay away from those things and they need to follow up and study on the origins of these things. There are plenty of videos out here of Christian men and women denouncing frats and sororities. Why would they do that? And so many people have been die hard frat, die hard sororities. And they said, the Lord opened their eyes and saw how demonic it was at its origin and the things that they, I mean, and at one time they was like, no, no, I couldn't see myself. But the Lord had to open, so my prayers that God opened up the eyes of the church that we attended, you know, start from the top down because you can't be a leader and think that what you say doesn't carry weight. It does, you know? Some of these people have been branded. Yeah, yeah. But the fraternities, I don't think any of the sisters sororities do that, but not to my knowledge, but I know the frats do or did. And it's just sad. So again, we're trying to figure out what the Lord was wanting us to do with this. I think that, you know, we didn't make any rushed decision, you know, these are things that we did not know until after the fact. And that's kind of like how life does. I mean, you, based on the information that you have, you make decisions. You make the decision, right? And so based on the information that we had, we made the decision. And we said, okay, we're willing to say, okay, this right here, we can set that aside. We can set this tithing thing aside because we know how God has commanded and told us to give in His word. And that's what we're gonna do. But these other two basically just stacked on top of the first one, you know, and again, I'm gonna leave it up to the Lord for me, whether or not, you know, I'm gonna ever have a conversation, you know, with the pastor. I just know that we can't attend, we can't attend that fellowship. And it's sad, and it's as bad as that is, and as grievous as it is to us. I have to stand on God's word. I have to stand on principle. I don't foresee them stopping what they're doing anytime soon. I don't. I would pray and I would hope that the pastor would have someone to speak with about it and to have his position changed about it and to teach a series on the dangers of fraternities and sororities, i.e. secret societies. Because what would a Christian need to be a part of a secret society for? I mean, if you think about that, what is it about a fraternity and sorority that you as a Christian would wanna be a part of that no one else can be a part of except you? Secret handshakes and this and that. Why? Why? The right hand of fellowship for the believer is our handshake, how we bring each other into how each person is brought into the kingdom by the grace and power and spirit of God. That's not a secret thing. That's baptism. That's public confession of sin through baptism. How do we recognize each other's unity and the faith through the body of Christ? Baptism and the Lord's Supper. I mean, and then these frats and sororities are singing hymns. You're singing hymns to a false God, to a fraternity, to a sorority. And you can't tell me that that's not true because I have the ritual book. And my goal is to get the other ones. And my goal also is to have a panel discussion with current and former fraternity and sorority members. And for us to have a discussion biblically about this. Again, this is not an attack, y'all. This is really disappointing and heartbreaking because we see what sin does. We see what a little leaven does to the whole lump. And it affects everyone. And again, we're not the only couple who's made it their decision that today was their last day attending this church. We're not the only one, you know what I'm saying? So we're just one of the ones that's basically saying it because we also have some conversations about this, man. I mean, it's, I know we're not the only ones that's dealing with this, but sad to say, we just... You thought we had found this at home. It's like, man, I mean, how hard is it, y'all? Why can't we just do what the Word of God says? I'm looking at 1 Peter and then we'll stop, I guess. I mean, it just, yeah. Like I said, this video here, man, I am. Y'all's gonna deal with it, y'all. I mean, this is where we are. Y'all won't love life, marriage with the words, but you got it uncut, raw. 1 Peter chapter one, verse 14, as obedient children do not be conformed to the form of lusts, which were yours in your ignorance, but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior. Because it is written, you shall be holy, for I am holy. And we all know the verse Romans 12, 1 and 2. Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good, acceptable, and perfect. Matthew 12, 46 through 50. While he was speaking to the crowds, behold, his mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to him. Someone said to him, that is to Jesus. Behold, your mother and your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak to you. But Jesus answered the one who was telling him and said, who is my mother, and who are my brothers? And stretching his hand toward his disciples, he said, Jesus said, behold, my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my father, who is in heaven, he is my brother and sister and mother. So, the question. Yep. Question, simple, simple question. That text we just read. He said, those who did the will of my father are my mother, my sisters, and my brothers. So, how can I be a brother, or be a frat brother of a fraternity whose God is not the God of Scripture? How can you be a sorority sister to an organization or to a sorority whose origin and founder of that God is not the God of Scripture? The contrary. And I don't think we understand that. I really don't. That is a problem, a huge problem, I think. Now, some of y'all may not think that it is, but I think that that's the problem. The problem comes is what is the word of God say, and now we're gonna be obedient to what He says. You know, in chapter six, verse 13 and 14, but I'll let you read it here. I'll let you see it here on the screen. You should fear, he's talking to Israel, but the principle is, we can glean from it. You should fear only the Lord your God, and you should worship Him and swear by His name. You shall not follow other gods or any of the peoples who surround you. For the Lord your God is in the midst of you, is a jealous God. Otherwise, the anger of the Lord, your God will be kindled against you. He will wipe you off the face of the earth. So again, he's warning Israel on how they are to worship God. So now, is Israel's God our God? Yes, are we to follow the moral commandments of God? Yeah, he says God should not have no other gods before Him, no other gods. So these gods of the divine nine, these are gods that we should not ever give our allegiance or our lives to, let alone sing songs. Matter of fact, we're supposed to sing songs, hymns and spiritual songs to the Lord. Believers ought to do that. So anyway, I just, like I said, if you're going to worship God, make sure it's the God of Scripture. And if you're going to bring people into your congregation, they should be acknowledged as brothers and sisters in Christ, but not brothers and sisters of Zedify, Beta or Sigma Gamma or Alpha Phi Alpha or Omega Phi, no, no, no. Jesus says, his brother and sisters and mother are those who do the will of the Father. That's what he says. So which family do we have? For the believer, our family is an eternal family. These families of brotherhood and sisterhood of these fraternities and sororities, these are families of, that's the brotherhood and sisterhood that's going to fade away. But Christ's family never fades away. We have an eternal kingdom fixed and situated in the heavens whose builder and maker is God, he says. So that's where I am. But again, we're going to be Christians, man. And we're going to be a church. Let's be the church that God has called us to be. We're to be set apart from the world. How can we be set apart from the world if we're doing what the world does? We're mimicking and copycatting the world and thinking that that's worship. That's not worship, y'all. So yeah, I mean, this is heartbreaking, but this is what we are. And we ask for your prayers. Do ask for your prayers. Ask for the Lord to guide us in this. And again, I said it, I don't know how many times I'm gonna say it again, this is not an attack. And if you're taking this as an attack, then you're not listening to what we just said. We're being honest and transparent and forthright and keeping it real with you, the viewers and those who may watch this video, even if you're from the church that we attended. Again, we're not coming with animus. We're not coming with strife or hatred or trying to quote-unquote expose. No, it's on the channel. 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