 is everybody voting members that's all we're going to make sure that although all 10 of us are voting members well we need nine voting members it looks like there are three red members and all of our members are voting members because we're all alternate for each other all right so we have three Sue and I are voting members from my board they should vote member Sarah you are correct yep I am and Erin's the chair he is so yeah I think we're good on and it Captain Mary Ann joining she's an alternate so she would be a voting member also correct she's an alternate to Mike and Mike was at basketball tonight as well he's coaching so he's so Mary Ann actually comes will be here in his place okay all right guys so we'll call the meeting to order are there any adjustments to the agenda I would like to add a executive session for personnel that right after other we don't need a tank keeper proof of minutes of Monday December 20th I have a second second any discussion on the minutes hearing none so moved board correspondence we have any board correspondence to share that's just a placeholder stay tuned I believe we will be able to start up March the BSBA said that we would be a priority SU so I believe March will be ready to roll public comments is there any public on tonight so you have my reporting hand it we're getting ready to vote in three districts town meeting the Australian ballot all those warnings have now been approved I think the only ones that are left to sign now are Rudd and just a reminder to get those signed the mailers are put together in Stratford and Sharon and are getting ready to head to the printer of the town books and the White River Unified District we will create our own and that is due to the mailer by Friday so just a reminder to we've got everything other than I don't know for certain if we have Andrew the board letter yet from White River Unified District so just a reminder to get the board letter to Tara as I said I gave Tara tonight off the folks have questions under her report I'll entertain them the the work that we were doing with UVI around the analysis of data I've just been really pleased with we met again on Thursday for an hour and a half faculty and administration met and it was really good to see the building share their what their learnings have been and learn from each other and we're doing this virtually which is a bummer it was really great when we were all together at the start of the year just to have that positive energy we had planned to do kind of a hybrid model but we've been virtual since and then the only other thing I'll add is that we did pivot I believe pretty successfully to the new procedures and protocols around COVID-19 and to have a more responsive notification system and to be able to provide more testing materials for our families in school so we did get a shipment of about 2,500 tests today I expect that we'll continue to receive those weekly and so we will be able to pivot here shortly from having to continue to do antigen testing in our actual schools first thing in the morning to hopefully moving direct up fully to take home testing and so that should that should be a good relief for our nursing staff and COVID response team in that regard so I met with the SU nurses and principals this morning just to review updates and things folks seemed in pretty good spirits and I feel like you know we remain a step fast in combating this and moving to a place where this really is starting to become an endemic from a pandemic and I expect that we should see our data hopefully start to level off I don't know how many of you go to the SU dashboard on a regular basis we do update that daily we have pretty high positivity rates right after the holiday but I do expect that we're going to start to see those decline and so that's good news I'll take any questions folks have anybody yes good evening can you hear me okay yeah okay again you all have my report as well I don't think there is anything that should be a surprise in there you have been looking at data that is kind of our social-emotional data in your individual district boards throughout this month and that's an important part of our MTSS system understanding that data as well as our academic data so you likely have seen and talked about that with your with your respective principles this month is also our academic assessment window in for the winter and so we've been working with teachers and teachers been working with students around assessing primarily reading and math and all the kind of K through 10th grade in this window with these more universal benchmarks and then and you'll look at that data in February both at the district level and then also at the SU level and then as we talked about in December we have been doing starting to do some more targeted professional learning with our specials or essential teachers and met with them and have teacher leaders within each of those groups who will be helping to facilitate their own professional learning kind of communities with job-alike folks across the SU in the spring and and use that to really target make sure that they're getting the professional support and learning that they need within their own content areas sometimes while also keeping them connected with their buildings on the other early release days so balancing those two needs of folks who are in those content areas so that's the extent other things are reflected I think in the superintendent's report so I'm happy to take any any questions that you have thank you on the right oh no I'm not I'm sorry that's okay hi everyone all you also have a copy of my report so we're continuing to you know offer some really robust professional development for you know all of our special ed department special educators OTS PTS SLPs and even our pair educators we have started our little reading cohort which they'll be having their second session this Friday which is a three-part session with Jeannie Feinberg so that'll be fantastic to kind of grow our service delivery model and really have some special pair educators specialized in a content area with some real deep training which will be a fantastic help also our alternative classrooms are still you know thriving and doing really well as part of that we've been continuing to work closely with the central Vermont supervisory union around a collaboration for kind of expanding what we can offer for a small amount of our students that have cognitive or functional disabilities and so we're kind of almost in the final stages with that we're still reviewing and drafting MOU but with that collaboration comes a possible move from having the alternative middle school classroom be at the Bethel campus at the middle school a possible change to the Chelsea campus with the possibility of that the elementary school there being open that'll help give that classroom more space right now it's very tight with the number of students that we have and with the collaboration that group of students will become slightly larger and you know middle school bodies can be get big and so they definitely need more space so that'll be a great help moving it to Chelsea as well as with the collaboration just the location of the collaboration only being about eight miles apart from each other instead of you know 30 plus miles that would just help with that collaboration piece also we have started our search for the fall for special educators and we're looking for an SLP and also our intensive base program coordinator we have interviews lined up with a group of special educators for this Thursday so I'm super excited about the pool of applicants that we have right now and then next Wednesday we have a pool of intensive programming coordinator interviews scheduled and again I'm excited about that pool of applicants as well if anyone has any questions I'll take those just to remind the board and when we had a net was originally hired to be the intensive programming coordinator and when Don left she applied for Don's position Dominic Mans and we never actually were able to find someone to fill the intensive programming coordinator so this that that position really remain unfilled we had someone within the waiver reunified district help fill in part time to cover some of those responsibilities but we never were able to find someone to actually fill it that was qualified so it is exciting to hear that we have some candidates applying for next school year in that position any questions guys okay everybody putting up for a report and I would entertain any questions based on that or anything else question so Ray what's a document camera what do you use it for Bill so that's like a newer version of an overhead projector so the teacher uses it to display materials that they're talking about as part of their lesson whatever that is this year the with the renewed focus on math the online PD that was delivered for that it became apparent we needed more document cameras so that's where that's coming from thank you it's to show manipulatives and concrete materials so that when we're teaching a map you can use in other subject areas but a map as we're trying to make certain students understand concrete materials and manipulatives having access to a document camera to demonstrate that is really helpful I know what did you have I just love document cameras I just want to add it's also a great way to show for students to show their work to each other into their teachers so it's a it's a nice way for to make student thinking visible so it's sort of got the multiple purposes both for teachers and for students nice any other questions any questions on Tara's report Jamie said he's ready to fill those I can't give an update as you know we're still in the search for an accountant Jason and Tara have been picking up those responsibilities we did meet with a potential candidate for that position who seemed like they would they'd be really strong in a vibrant candidate for us to consider they won't be available until May though and so one of the things I'm working with Tara on is just making certain that we're not behind in our reconciliation so know that I'm continuing to progress monitor that if we need to do some contracting service just to ensure that we keep up we certainly will have the budget to do that just because we haven't been paying our accountant now but do know that I'm feeling optimistic that we may have someone in place here within the next couple months at the latest so we do have a pretty viable candidate definitely that could be available to them. Carrie? Sure so I'm gonna take you all the way back to summer it's been a while since I've done a board report here so we just want to highlight our summer intervention program we had a really successful program we offered four weeks two and a half hours a day we had about 120 plus kids participate ESY students were largely integrated into those groups although there were some separate ESY groupings we had 16 teachers from the SU and four non-license teachers working with our students and we our goal was to provide explicit instruction and make it high quality specific to the students needs the feedback I got from the intervention teachers and parents was you know they reported high levels of success they felt like it was a really effective intervention program so I would I'm glad that we were able to do that and we do a funding for 2022 to carry that on so that was summer 2021 I'll just keep going with summer we also got back to kind of our sort of normal camp last summer if you remember we kind of didn't have COVID for a little bit there and it was pretty awesome we had five weeks of being based summer camp at six sites and we had around 300 kids not including intervention students you know we really focused on giving kids an opportunity for voice and choice and leadership opportunities we got back to field trips which is always a big sell with our students spent a lot of times out a lot of time outdoors we use the outdoor classrooms we tried to really build a sense of community we had morning rituals and students were given jobs and we really try to build connections and a sense of belonging for our students this summer and we also our counselor and training program we I think took a break on that for a year because of COVID and so that was great to get back to that targets 7th through 9th grade kiddos who they get a week of training and then they work in our camps with our younger students and then school year so school year has been going really pretty well really we haven't run into a lot of staffing issues that you know I know a lot of programs out there I've struggled with we our numbers are great I I want to say at least half our programs are right where we've kind of always been and I would say three or four of our programs are larger than they've ever been so that's great it does create some capacity issues but but we're glad that you know families are utilizing the program and our staff has recently done a conscious discipline training so we're working on developing understanding of that and we're continuing our learning by doing like a monthly reading assignment meeting discussing what we read and making a goal of implementing a strategy in our programs and then reporting back and kind of sharing with the group the SU Annette has been wonderful about including one planet and all of their training so our staff are definitely making use of those trainings on the half days when we're not running programs what else I have for you we did just kind of finish up well late fall we reapplied for STARS which is a recognition system in Vermont and for quality childcare programs and all of our programs at four out of five STARS the fifth star I think we have to get an outside assessor to come in and assessor program so I am encouraging my sites to do that so that we can have some five-star programs what else we are doing a counselor and training program for middle schoolers during the school year we've never done that we've done it during the summer so we're starting to get that underway and we are starting our YPQI process which is youth program quality initiative or something like that it's an assessment that we use to to evaluate our programs from within and I think that's it thank you Terry just thank you and I I love when you're able to come and present because you run a top-notch system so thanks for for being on the team and everything you do sure thanks yeah I concur with that absolutely question you sound very very pleased with what you're doing your teams doing as far as participation in the quality of program and everything like that looking ahead for this spring are there any challenges that concern you that you're gonna need the board help or superintendent's team help to achieve how are you doing looking forward yeah I I think the one thing that we've struggled with during COVID is getting enrichment teachers on board I think two challenges with that one is that a lot of our enrichment teachers in the past have been school day teachers and those folks are really tapped out right now and the other part of it is bringing outside you know people in the community to the program to lead programs and a certain portion of those folks are kind of hesitant to get into the schools so you know we I I expect that to get better as COVID kind of recesses into the background here but so that's been one challenge and I don't know that that's a board you know that's something that the board can support with but I hope it's just you know it's kind of like a COVID related issue that I think we'll move through and get on the other side of thank you thank you super attendant evaluation committee those of you that on the committee with me where I'm working on it we've got the contract signed with the BSBA I'm waiting for them to give me some meeting dates I touch base I'm just waiting for some meeting dates so that we can get started with the process of getting out the surveys and and what that looks like so more to come on that negotiations council I can speak to that or any one of us here that's on but it's it's moving along I really appreciate the effort Sarah and Bill and Jamie all put in with with information gathering and stuff and we feel I feel very prepared when we go into the negotiations meetings and it's I think it's going smoothly and we'll stay tuned we'll keep you informed energy committee yeah and Ray was at that committee meeting as well the big update I have is that EI has now been in everyone's building to review and they are going to have preliminary proposals for us in February not final proposals because well frankly I think they realize we're pretty large there's a lot of buildings as they started they've spent multiple days here with Lyle going through each one but they'll start to give us a sense of where our needs may be just to update the board and this was discussed at the energy committee that we're really they're going to be looked to give us an A B and C option for each district around like a being here are the things we really would recommend that you take advantage of because you're building needs this it's urgent B being here's how you could take advantage of the performance audit some S or money energy efficiency remote money and improve your infrastructure and then really you know C would be here's what you do if you want to make your building state of the art and so they're going to give us those three options in their final proposal and then what the energy what the performance audit you know but the performance contract it could then offset in regards to those expenses and then each district can start to have discussion around how they want to pursue this and a reminder that if we leverage S or three money which I'm certain that we will we have not tapped into that money yet and that we do have two summers to do this work they did extend S or three so it's not just this it's not just this coming summer it's through the into the fall of 2024 so know that that's underway and that you know we should start to get some information into boards this coming month. Any questions under discussion items we have planning agenda items for the River Valley for board retreat which wasn't today. That was tentatively scheduled for February 5th we talked about a Saturday we talked about getting together in person of course that was back in November so I just thought I mean that's on there for you guys to discuss and think about and how you want to go about it. We want to talk about ideas of what we'd like on the agenda or would everybody like to email and we'll put together a list of what people think would be good on the agenda. Everyone would want to talk about how we can work more together as boards not just as a retreat but meet more and do things together more. That's just one idea. So if you have ideas we can go through now or people can think about it and shoot me an email up I'll put the list together and bring it back to the next meeting. Well I wouldn't be the next meeting. Yeah because February 5th is next month. I think that now and COVID do we think February 5th is too soon? I don't. We've talked about this for a while and I do think others we could be it. Yeah I think it's too early. Yeah I wouldn't want to meet I love you all but would not want to meet in person anytime soon especially given that the numbers are declining and I feel like if we push it out by even a month or two we could be in much better shape across fingers that the next mutation is not creeping up as we speak. It's not. It's not. Positive thoughts here. It also entered into my mind is at least the Stratford board is going through some change in people that maybe after the so I was the one who said let's schedule for February and get you know da da da da da but we'll have two new people at least one new person on this board and maybe two so I want I wonder if it makes sense to wait until after our meetings. Well I think for us but we're potentially going to be having our meeting in May and I know Stockbridge Rochester doesn't mean until May so I think we would be pushing it pretty far. We would be pushing it pretty far if we waited for that Sarah because I don't think I don't know what other people I think some other towns are going Australian ballot and they're going to hold their date but it doesn't look like that's what we're going to do. But I do think February like maybe February this is a little too soon because it's like in a week or two weeks. I mean I welcome I welcome a Google gathering as well I just feel like there's topics that we you know we we do the punch list in their meeting and we get going but really don't actually get to talk to each other very much. I think that's really what we're talking about I think we could get we could pick up we could pick four broad topics right now whether it's you know education budgeting you know whatever board board dynamics and SU by dynamics four topics right there and we could sit down schedule make sure it's only last two hours and and just I would welcome a sort of free-ranging discussion with other board members on on those four topics at least and not make this like okay put everything's got to happen in this one retreat maybe this is the one of two that we have in other words make let's make it easy let's make it easy let's make it and and accessible. I would be great for that as love chatting with all you guys so I think if people are down for just having an open discussion and we do it virtually because we don't know where things are right now and then come back later when we could do in person maybe even do that picnic or something because it'll be water I think that's totally an option and I think it's really good for us to talk to each other in not our own little bubbles. Can we get a straw poll sort of of everybody who'd like to do it I mean that's always the clearest way just let me know yes or no. Get a thumbs up everyone who's interested in trying it. February 2 hours and February 5th. And wait before I can vote would it be morning or afternoon? I think the previous notes said that we had talked about morning. I would prefer morning. Morning would work for me so I would be thumbs up if it was morning. Say what 9 to 11 10 to noon? Yeah and make it so that people if they can't get there at 9 they can they can pop on at 10 and jump into where we're at. Only give an hour or give an hour. I mean I think the point of this too is to get to get our board chairs to say hey show up for this. This is important to get to know we're an SU and to see all the faces and I think that you know that's our work before the 5th and I think we need to make the decision tonight to make the 5th work and be successful. So I'm a thumbs up as you probably know. All right Stacy. I'm kind of midway. I will be available if I can. My kid has cross country ski races on weekends so sometimes they are on Saturday mornings. If not I will turn up. I also am suffering from a little bit of zoom burnout. It's been the thought of spending Saturday morning on zoom is less exciting to me but I will be there if I can. Lisa? Erin? Erin are you a thumbs up? Yeah. Okay. Rodney? Cannon? Don? Sure. One. Thumbs up from Sioux. Sarah? Yeah. Okay. Did I get everybody? I can't see everybody on the screen but there's any big loud objections? What about now? If not, we'll see you on February 5th at 9 o'clock. Do we want to take a few topics? Go ahead Stacy. Well for me retreats are not are different than regular meetings so I want to get out of the you know the punch list type thing and I want to talk about you know processes and how we how we can do things better. Maybe how we can support the SU better. Those type of things and you know how I mean we spend you know at least one night a month together and sometime yeah so how can how can we how can that really be a benefit you know how how can we improve that so that we're we're improved improved that I guess. Shannon? I would like to talk to talk about moving forward in our COVID response. I think we've been doing this for two and a half years now or I don't even like it's still March 2020 to me right so I think we've been doing this forever and is our approach working are there new things we could be doing what should we be thinking of moving ahead as we are transitioning to watching this for the next five years instead of responding to it in the moment constantly. I think it's a huge challenge for our schools. Let's let's talk about it right now. Yep so we have three topics do you want to go with that for a first shout out of the box does anybody think of any other burning desire to talk about? I think it'll range a bit yeah as we get on the topic I think we'll and people start feeling comfortable talking hey you know what that's that's that's us that's we dealt with that let's go there and I think that's that's what we're looking for we're looking for an open exchange of ideas and and getting to know each other a bit better to this process and our boards what our board is facing all right so we have a date would it be possible I'm at so I'm not I'm not out in the public very much so I don't know exactly how this all works but what if we did pre-tap pre you know the antigen test prior to coming would would we be safe then to meet in person? I think one concern this is Lisa one concern I have about that because we all come from different communities and places is that then if somebody tests positive two days later we're all then close contacts okay so I love the idea not quite yet feels like we're not quite there thanks I just wanted to note I just got the invite from Ray which is great but it's a lot of people so while I really appreciate the idea of keeping it pretty freeform I feel like we should be prepared to like break out into smaller groups if we really actually want to get anything done give them a number of people we have expected maybe I can talk to you Jamie about we will talk about a format and Kathy I think it's gonna you know we're gonna have to go through you some to some extent to make especially through the zoom format I think to recognize people to speak yes it you can't hear anybody people know to use the raise your hand and and I'll try to keep track and call on people and like you said this will be our test one to see how this goes and we'll figure it out so go along we did some flexible grouping for our board retreat and we're a much smaller group but I felt like it was really successful and Jamie and Andrew put that agenda together and I felt like we all had an opportunity to talk and share ideas but it was an effective use of time and allowed us to connect so I just am in support of that kind of agenda are you thinking we would choose beforehand which topics we would want to get into or right when you go to the meeting you choose them um it there were sort of themes and we moved around and touched on each I'm not remembering exactly but I got to talk with everybody who was there I'm not sure if we could with the big group but I guess what I'm trying to say is I trust our leadership to make something really worthwhile out of that time so you said okay um Shannon Shannon asked to have the vaccination slash testing employees added to the agenda tonight I wanted to speak to that correction so hi so as controversial as it is vaccine mandates have come up at our board meeting I'm sure it's popped up at other board meetings as I thought and certainly vaccinations are for everything else that you vaccinate children for are required for our kids to go to school we're not there yet with COVID vaccines because they aren't FDA mandated FDA approved fully approved for people under 16 the they are FDA approved for people over 16 and so the question was do we set a mandate that our staff needs to be vaccinated at which point Jamie reminded us of course that we were forgetting that a lot of the staff in our buildings are SU staff and so thoughts about this should come from the SU with remembering the SU staff needs to be included in this so I've had almost a week at home now because I have kids who have COVID who were vaccinated to sort of think about this and I think there's actually maybe a more creative answer to it luckily my business decided to continue the federal program when it went away in September that allowed for you to take some time off for COVID if you were diagnosed with COVID or if it dependent was and that was a huge relief to me and I'm wondering if we can use that as both thank you to our teachers are a sort of insurance policy for those who are vaccinated in this incentive to get vaccinated that possibly any of our staff teachers any of the adults in the building who have provided proof of vaccination if they develop COVID which I know is is completely possible they get their time the time that they're required to take off which is three to five days depending on right now depending on the situation and whether there's a weekend those three to five days would be not have to come out of their sick time so if you're vaccinated and you get COVID you've done everything you can to protect yourself our students the community you still get COVID and have to go out for a few days I think that the that those shouldn't come out of your own sick time and I think it's an incentive for our unvaccinated staff to go ahead and get vaccinated so that's my proposal is sounds like a great idea I'm just curious does it allow it in the contract we would have to I would if the board wanted to consider this I could approach the union leadership and make it into an MOU if that's something that the board wanted to pursue so I realized I'm not raising my hand so I'm gonna try and practice now what's an MOU so a memorandum of understanding got you and it's an addendum to the contract thank you I think Shannon that's a really creative and and positive idea and I appreciate it a lot I'm still kind of stuck with I want everybody to be vaccinated who comes into our schools and who works for for us so I'm having a hard time getting off that well I agree Sarah I am there with you 1000% I want every I want every parent who walks in the school for a basketball game I want everyone to have to hold up a card I don't think we're there and I don't think as if they're still fighting vaccine mandates for everyone in courts I don't know and I think that maybe incentives are a different way to go so so Sharon I will tell you that when you if it's legal and possible to do I felt a lot more comfortable with an incentive for people who are vaccinated than I did for a mandate and I think in my opinion there are a lot of people who think differently than others about vaccines and we have enough right now I would hate to alienate any of our staff because they share a different view than us and you can get COVID if you're vaccinated or not so at this point you're you're taking your own risk because you can get it and spread it vaccinated or not I'm I like the idea of an incentive if you're vaccinated I would be more in support of that anybody else Ethan I just suddenly got the idea the what if you know what if either the union or somebody says well hey you're basically without saying it saying I need to get vaccinated you know in other words and I deserve that too I deserve that three-day thing and I'm not getting vaccinated I'm proud of that I mean what if somebody says that I mean do we get into well I mean no I mean the language would have to be specific in the side agreement about vaccine they and if we're doing a side agreement just so folks know and that requires the union to agree to it and this has not been even broached with them this this type of topic so I would say if they don't agree to the vaccine vaccination language then then no we don't this is kind of being written because of that so okay and then Stacy yeah I was gonna say would you make it would you make it retroactive I'd almost think you would have to to treat it fairly for people that have come down with it maybe used up a lot of their sick time are people thinking of just now going forward or making it retroactive the question I'd love to make it retroactive I'm not sure Jamie what kind of headache that would create well I mean we would just we would have to to work with HR we certainly have a sense of who which one of our employees have contracted COVID so I think we could definitely do it Stacy I just wanted to add that this idea of incentivizing vaccinated people is is not new National Governors Association has a whole page on various incentivization programs for state employees in almost every state often times it involved like a cash payout or in New York State there were like lottery tickets that were purchased on behalf of people so I feel like we're you know we're not being too radical by including this it's anything I would say like you know let's do more to incentivize you know if this is the way to get around the controversy over a mandate then I think we should I think we should absolutely be going for it thank you thank you Shannon for bringing it up I'd just like to point out are we going to verify that people in fact have COVID are we going to ask for doctors notes and if that's the case we're going to get into HEPA so many of the PCR tests that are being run on people are coming back through the school is my understanding but if you want the five days my thought is you would have to submit either PCR test showing that or doctors note you'd have to submit some documentation and I don't think that violates HIPAA dawn I think that COVID test results have been specifically said they do not violate HIPAA Jamie correct me if I'm wrong on that I do believe that we could request certification of a positive test in order to access if that's what the board chose to want to pursue with the union at some of this language like I said we would need to work out with our user we're not going to decide on a language necessarily tonight sorry you had your hand up I did I guess I there there's quite quite still a lot of unknown regarding this are you are you communicable on the day that you test positive are you communicable four days prior and there's still just so much unknown I just feel a little uneasy about the whole process thank you I agree John but we're making them take three to five days off if they're positive so you have to you can't come back into the school if you've got positive test result so I do know instances that happened we went through it in my house they couldn't go back to work even though they weren't sick but because they tested positive they were home and there was no pay it's a federal part of the highway Sarah do you have your hand up still yeah I do I just was gonna say that a memorandum a memorandum of understanding MOU is a negotiated document and so it's and so Sue Sue I like Susan I liked your I thought of you know retro you know is it retroactive is it not that could all be part of the bargaining process that we do and that gives us something to sweeten the deal if the if the union is not you know not not looking for not don't want it so it's the same process that we're going through on the contract with the memorandum of understanding just so you know thank you Sarah Lisa I'm just wondering what number of what percentage of staff is unvaccinated at this point in time because if we're already at a really high percentage then it seems like a nice gesture but not necessarily something that we need to spend a lot of time on but if we're over 90% Lisa we're over 90% and in some buildings as high as 98 thank you Jamie when you say 90% does that include boosters is that 90% I have not tracked yours at this point nope and does that include all the SU staff that's in the buildings 90% everybody we employed across the SU so I think we could I think one thing it should go back to our individual boards and have a conversation about how they feel about it this month and the other part is maybe you could find all the legalities and have a conversation with the union and see if they're even interested in entertaining it how do people feel about that step that would I think that is the next step we would take Don I probably wouldn't approach any union reps until we can get it sorted amongst ourselves first that's all but don't we need to know if they're even open to it and I was just to see what but if it's one of those things if all we come back as a group and decide not to do it you bought you kind of semi put this carrot out there and then didn't do it so I agree with Don it could cause actually bad feeling ill feelings of this prop potential promise that we decided not to do so how do we want to move forward even I mean we make a motion and I don't think times a problem if we make it retroactive it's not like we're going to lose you know some people aren't going to get this benefit if it's retroactive you'll get it no matter what Don might be a good topic for a February 3rd February Saturday meeting if time you know just something to talk about Sarah I agree with Ethan let's see if the board is supports it or not and then then we know whether we go forward or we don't go forward let's do a motion I think we need to know what how exactly we're it's supporting it Sarah so what what is your suggestion so if there's so then you have you know part of you have a sub you and you know I mean Jamie go you know we we put some some we get like the bargaining group together and we what's the memorandum of understanding that we want to come up you know it's initial proposal that will get bargained you come up with an initial proposal if this board authorizes the negotiations team or a subcommittee of that team to to pursue this then you do it okay we don't okay Ethan yeah that's basically it's my same thinking is is you're directing as the board as we're here tonight we're directing the negotiations committee to pursue the possibility of a three-day three-day waiver on sick leave for all staff who have been infected okay so yeah I'm not sure how it's three days only because some people are getting sick longer than that so so maybe we're talking about capping it but I think with ninety something percent already vaccinated that basically this is a thank you you know we're going to give you your sick time back it's it is just us acknowledging what they have done and giving them a benefit in a way we can give them a benefit we have a high population of vaccinated anyway so we're not looking to get that many more vaccinated we're really looking it feels like to say thank you to everybody so I want and I hear your take on it Amy for me we're going to vote on it what do you think well I feel like really what you need to do as a board is give a straw poll if you're in support of pursuing something like this there's definitely language already out there just so folks know and other us use that we can pull from and it really would be a side agreement with the union on you know crediting them back days for those who are vaccinated and we got to figure out what number of days make sense I don't I don't see why they would be opposed to that so I don't I don't think that that's going to be hurdle and so really as soon as I feel like you guys have reached a consensus I think we could get to work on it and you get it done but I don't I don't know if you're already at consensus or not we also didn't want it for actions so we haven't talked to our individual boards about it either I think there's a fair amount of us on here tonight and I think we're offering an incentive so I don't know that I feel our boards would object to it Ethan I think I think that that really sealed it for me that last one is that I think if it is a thank you a thank you that comes in a month as opposed to right away is fine you know that I think that's that I think it's always a good idea to take it to our boards get our consensus come back and that clearly there's a template for this action could happen fairly quickly possibly once we come back for our next meeting so shoot for the the February end of February to make a decision and we'll warn it for action in is that sound reasonable to our individual boards and then we'll we'll plan on voting on it at the end of February and it sounds like retroactive is what makes the most sense if we're gonna do anything we can figure out the number of days with all that man I think it's are we saying just retroactive or retroactive and moving forward I think both okay Don I think that's a solid plan I would feel uncomfortable speaking for my board tonight because I'm the only one representing it tonight so I I can't can't make that unilateral unilateral decision so let's go forward with the plan I think I are all of our boards and communities need to hear about it and so we can work on it this month and come back and make a good vote on our February meeting and be warned as a action item great okay thank you as far as an actual vote I don't know it needs to be a vote they just have to give the negotiation team the task to develop the verbiage and offer it to the other team that's all I don't think it needs to be an official vote right but it's not just for the teachers so it's not just a negotiations thing it would be for all the staff that's that's kind of the point is that we have SU staff we have we have you know the people who are serving meals and we have everybody and the negotiation team represents all of those folks Shannon so we could do that for you know unilaterally oh see I just wanted to bring up that there are non-union staffers in the building as well right so there's a support staff there's to and then right I think we can make we can write something up that is inclusive of everybody Sarah non-union and people who didn't join that as individuals didn't join the union are still covered by the collective bargaining agreement but the administration and stuff they're not part of any union correct okay we can work out those details and come up with a plan and have something to vote on in our next meeting we don't have any action items tonight any resignations in your tires any other business tonight we do have an executive session I'm gonna have just the board on probably a break out one yeah I've got it ready we just need a motion you're right I'd move to enter executive this session to discuss Kathy what was the topic personal second at 7.03 I'd move to return to public session at 7.56 no action taken seconded all right so move move to adjourn okay all right so move thank you everyone