 Welcome to Church of the Chair, where we celebrate all the things we do while seated. I'm your host, E, here with my co-host, Chad Lutzky, and today we are finally getting started on the collab. We've done, first episode was brainstorming, the second one was outlining, and we're finally ready to start. So I guess what you wanna talk about anything before you jump into it, you wanna start sharing your screen, because we need to get that voice down. So I'm probably just gonna watch you who are watching this and see what you do. In order to share my screen, because I'm on my bat, I do my audio video stuff on my Mac and then I do all my writing on the here. So I have to use this crappy keyboard. So expect many errors as I try to type on this tiny little thing on my lap. Dude, I don't even have that excuse. Hey, Shirath, good morning. I don't even have that excuse because my stuff is, like I said, my first drafts are just word vomit. So I'll use the wrong there, there, there. I'll use the wrong it's, I'll use all that stuff and then I have to go back and change it. Oh yeah, I use the wrong it's all the time. I don't know why I know the difference. Yeah, we know the rules. It's amazing how many times I get that apostrophe in there when it's not supposed to be. Good morning, Hailey. You know, it's funny because the, I think most of my issues come from being on the phone all the time. And that's another reason why you speech the text, even though it still messes things up. But yeah, so I'll get in there and I'm so used to it auto correcting to, you know, IT apostrophe S that I don't pay attention. So every time I just type ITS and just expect it to do it. Now word will do that. But I got to the point with word where it was changing random words at the context and I had to stop using it. And I had to, hey, sorry. I don't know why I found that funny. Hey, hey, Hailey. I don't know why. Morning, Mike. How you doing? All right, so Chad's going to get started. I am going to be a little birdie watching him do what he does so that we can get the voice down. Basically, he's going to figure out what he's doing and I'm going to mimic that with that same voice. So that should be an interesting experiment for you guys to watch. Also, watch how I absorb and copy and all that stuff. Yeah, I do want to preface that. I don't have, I wanted to establish at least a first couple sentences last night. I have nothing. So I am really just starting the opening line for those who haven't ever written before or watched the process. This opening paragraph doesn't necessarily mean it's going to stay, it might fall in love with it, might hate it. It's just the way it goes. I got a quick story. I worked with an editor one time. I worked with her for years, but her thing was, and she would do this with everybody. It did not matter who the fuck you were. And that's one of the reasons now why I have such an economy of words. She would literally cut the first paragraph of anything I wrote and start the next one. She didn't care what it said. She would literally cut it. And she's like, you don't even notice it's gone. And of course, me being the writer, I'd be like, I do notice it's gone. There's a reason it's there, but it almost, I do not suggest anybody do this. It is a good way to teach you what is necessary and what it's not. But the more she did it, is we worked on like 12 different projects together. The more she did it, the more I caught on to what she wanted to the point where my opening paragraphs usually became just one line. And it was, you know, get right into the action and move the fuck on. And she said she learned it from Kurt Vonnegut, not like personally, but something that he had said. Get right into the action and then expand later. So anyways. I have a friend who preaches that never use the first paragraph that you've written. You're probably gonna write it. You need to write it at least, I don't know what he says, like six, seven, eight times. And I just, I can see that under some circumstances, but usually when I'm writing something, I'm starting it because I'm in the moment. And oftentimes that first page is not every time, but oftentimes it's, I love going back to it because it impresses me. Cause I was, you know, you can kind of sway from the moment as you, especially if you have some time in between doing this project, you kind of lose your voice a little bit. But oftentimes at the beginning, it's like, I have it. And I'm specifically trying to use a hook in the, you know, in the first sentence that asks a question, okay, I need to know more what's going on. Even it's something simple. So I don't really subscribe to the whole, but I do know what you're saying. And sometimes that can, I read books all the time that's like, especially if it's a book that's like, it was a warm sunny day. The leaves did, I'm like, dude, I don't care. I'll come up with my own thing. Just get to the story. Elmore Leonard would have burned a book like that. He's like, never start with the weather, never start with a, never. I think it was another one was never start with dialogue or maybe it's the exact opposite. Never start with narration. Anyways. But also not supposed to start with waking up on foster homes and flies and stirring the sheets. Both were the protagonists waking up in the morning. Dude, I can't even count. I don't have enough fingers and toes. How many stories I've opened with they woke up or whoever woke up. So yeah, I completely agree. But I mean, it's like natural from a storytelling perspective, you wanna start somewhere in the most natural places, let's go ahead and start the day. Or let's go ahead and start the craziness. Like, I wake up in a strange place or I wake up to sun coming through the blind. You're setting the scene. It's just really easy to fall back on stuff like that when it's just as easy to start the scene with something else that might be a little more action-oriented like brushing teeth and then you can give, you know, if they're OCD or not and you can give hints there, that kind of thing. Whereas the giving the weather or the description of the room you're in, especially when you first wake up, you're not paying attention to what's around you. So, you know, that's anyways. But yeah, I try not to do weather or anything like that. All right. We are on forever. All right. I think I need to get to a different screen here. I always, I put the word count down there because I always do that. Oh, that's fine. I don't know if you can, if this is showing up or not, but. No, I can pull it up on my side. Yeah, I can watch you live over on Google Docs. If I do have a problem reading it and I'm sitting here going, what's S.A.? I'm squinting my ass up. I'm squinting Tarantino. All right. This is nerve-wracking. I'm sorry. No, that's no problem. What, Chad, you don't like being watched? So voyeuristic. Yeah, dude, pound that keyboard. All right, I'm gonna shut up now. I promise. Boobs. Now we gotta have a character named Boobs. We gotta have a character named Boobs. That's it, you just, you did this. Not me, you did it. There's a character named Boobs. I don't know where he comes in, but there's a character named Boobs. I'm down. Yeah. Everyone loves Boobs. Everyone loves Boobs, exactly. And that's how he could introduce himself. Yeah, he's just a lovable. Everybody loves Boobs. Yeah, my name's Boobs. Why do they call you Boobs? Because everybody loves Boobs. This is how the process goes, guys. This is literally how the process goes. You get something, you see something, and it just works. Just jokingly typing out Boobs, and we have a whole character out of it now because everybody loves Boobs. That's fantastic. It's so good. Oops, so good. Oh, what happened to my, here we go. Where did I, too? I heard this. Okay. Oh, and by the way, if you need to mute me at any point in time, definitely do that. You're not gonna hurt my feelings. Making leek and Tim? Oh, there it is. I got a lag on my end. Tim just popped up for me. Leek and potato soup sounds amazing, Hailey. And yes, good morning, Tim. How are you doing, my friend? You're still back in Alabama, right? Or am I a Miss Mar memory? Y'all, he muted me. I'm crying. I am gonna mute you. Yeah, I know. So you can, and there's no sense. Go ahead and talk to everybody and stuff. Is Chad just laggy for me? Not like we can do anything about it, but is Chad just laggy for me or is he laggy for everybody? We do need to try and meet up, Tim. We need to, man. I mean, I don't care if it's just for fucking coffee for like 15 minutes when you're near me. Just give me a holler. If you remember the Discord, just shoot me a DM. It's your favorite soup. It's a good fucking soup, man. There's a brand at Aldi's that I buy. Oh, it's so good. Hello, staying on themes. He is, this is interesting. I want you guys to pay attention. He keeps writing in past tense and has to go back to present. He did it with the first line, too. Oh, nevermind, he tricked me. He tricked me. That used is correct there. It's not supposed to be used before she sold it. There's so much character development just in that opening line. The gravel in my hand feels like teeth, broken from a kick to the face. I choose a good-sized molar and pitch it toward the metal can on whoever used to keep her jewelry in before she sold it. Tink! Freaking the sound, whether it be the satisfaction of hitting my target as it helps make the sound behind me. Helps mask the sound behind me. Okay, put the fucking thing right here on the TV and now it's gone. I'm gonna love writing this with Chad if for no other reason than he's amazing with dialogue. The first thing I thought when we got to the uncle was Uncle Cletus, but I think that's a little too fucking cliche or even for me. Once again, if you notice, he's giving character development and character description without giving character development and character description. So Uncle, whatever, he's looking for his lighter so we know he smokes. What does he smoke? Next thing would be, there must be a dozen of those things lying around. The house is either obviously cluttered or whatever. It's, yeah, it's absolutely, absolutely great. Stuffed in the couch cushions, kicked under the chair he's nearly melted into. Oh my God, Chad, this is great shit. I mean, right there, he just tells you about, you know, Uncle's posture, it just tells you so much or even in his own back pocket. He's also forgetful. Is that because of drugs? Is that because of what? And Chad's probably not thinking of any of this stuff. Like he's not considering it, but he's so good at setting scenes to begin with. He knows exactly what he's doing without focusing on what he's doing. See, now he's, now, you see he's overthinking now. He's gonna kill me when he actually rewatches, if he rewatches his back. Now he's overthinking when, or even his own back pocket was descriptive enough and he's, now he's adding more to it. Becker wasn't, he didn't need it. See, what I'd likely do here is I would do or even his own back pocket, period. He'd forget his own pecker was, he'd forget where his pecker was if he didn't need it. That's what I would change. I'm just literally trying to give commentary for, you know, what we're doing. I'm definitely not gonna go back and edit it now. Never want to disturb the momentum. I have none of your bullshit. Not today, Cletus. I have none of your bullshit. Is it Dionne who says that? It's a show, don't tell? Yeah. Yeah, Tink. I was hoping, I was hoping he'd do that as, he's gonna keep coming back to that as a revolving theme. If he doesn't do this naturally, which he's already doing it, that's the kind of thing that you would go back and add to denote that the good sound that the kid likes is coming through the bad sounds. It's like every time it starts getting loud, that kind of thing, you know, Tink. And once again, that's showing what's happening. See, right here, I would do the screen door screeched open or something like that. And he might go back and do this. Yep, yep, yep, he's doing it. He's doing it. Man, this is awesome. It's great, yes, yes. Like a dying crow. Yeah, nice. Man, this is cool as shit. I've never had a chance to watch, you know, we've done writing streams together before, but I've never had a chance to just sit down and watch him write, because I don't rewatch my lives. And where he's putting the things in parentheses, I just write Panda fucker. That's, lets me know I need to go back and change names. But then again, he doesn't know anybody's name right now, so I wouldn't even do Panda fucker. I would force myself to come up with something right there and then have to change it, because we literally don't know any of these people's names, except for people later on. We know Mingo, is Mingo, M-I-N-G-O is going to be the guy in charge of everything at the carnival. And then Sheena or Shena, S-H-E-N-N-A is gonna be the girl that the MC meets. Oh, it says to get dinner. She wants bread and peanut butter. And if you manage strawberry jam, get that too. And if you can manage strawberry jam, get that too. I might change like jam to jelly, because I don't think these people would say jam. I could be wrong though. I hate those metal chairs with a passion. I was about to say the one, the one stained the time someone shit in it. But wow, I wish I would have said that before he started writing it. It's amazing how synced up we already are. He dropped a lit cigarette in his slap just before passing out. 18 beers, man, that's a lot. They're in my alcoholic days, man. Me and my friend Pat would go down and get suitcases of beer, a suitcase of beer each every single night. If you don't know, a suitcase of beer has 24 cans. And we would go down to the local gas station where they had the walk-in cooler for the cold beer. And we would grab one each and we would kill that every single night, every night, did not matter. Over to this other side. Just, I can't read this bottom section. A pregnant girlfriend sits on the metal chair, the one uncle shit his pants in. Two weeks ago after drinking 18 beers, he dropped a lit cigarette in his lap just before passing out. He woke the whole house with the squeal that came after. The next morning, I saw the shit drive like a scabra. Oh, that's nasty. Oh, that's amazing. Scattering the green paint. Now that bed's spark, that bear spot is a reminder. I'm gonna go read some other details about the characters real quick. Okay. You turned me on. You gotta go back and watch like my commentary from like the whole time you were writing, basically. But the one thing that I'll point out before is when you said, the way you wrote the screen door part, at first I said, no, I would probably go back and I would say the screen door screech is open. And you went back, right when I said that, you went back and deleted what you had. Like I hear the screen door, I can't remember what you had, but you basically turned around and did what I was saying I would do right at that. Oh really? Yeah, it's creepy. And I was also telling everybody how you were giving character development without giving it because like right up here, where she used to keep her jewelry before she sold it, like that right off the bat tells everybody that this family's broke. And then you get into the more detail down here about the uncle. Oh yeah, his memory, you're talking about finding the lighter. So we know that the house is either cluttered or whatever, on top of that, you also deal with the uncle's memory and anger issues. And I said the only thing that I would change about that section would be, or even in his own back pocket, period, he'd forget where his pecker was if he didn't need it. So that'd be the only thing I changed. I liked the C red, but that was the only comment I had about that. And the rest of it's just, yeah, it's good. I like it. That's funny that you said that because I don't like the forget where his pecker was if he didn't need it. You don't like it? Well, the funny part, okay, when you go back, if you go back and watch, I originally said before I saw what you were adding because you kind of got stuck on because, like you're trying to add to it. And I said, it's fine the way it is. I would stop it right after, or even in his own back pocket full stop. But I also do like, I do like that line just because, I don't know, it just reads, but I would definitely get rid of the, because his eyes see red so often, just period after pocket, and then he'd forget where his pecker was if he didn't need it. But anyways, that was really cool to do the commentary for, because it was interesting to see you either employ stuff that I would do, or for me to literally predict what you were about to do. That's very cool. Yeah, that is way more nerve wracking than I thought it would be. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, don't do that. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's fine. I've done writing live streams, but I've never, people can't see what I'm writing. Right. So I'm not self-conscious. I get real, I don't know. I guess I get self-conscious about it. I mean, it's no big deal. Yeah. The fact that you still do it is important. The fact that you can push through that, even if you are nervous. I mean, you did a fantastic fucking job. You did all the subtle character detail with, like Hailey says over here, it's a show, don't tell, fantastic writing. And yeah, see, I can't do that on a rough draft. It's usually just, blah, here's all my ideas and then we'll go from there. But yeah. I didn't finish reading this last bit. Later that night, I wrote, oh no, I'm way down here. Nevermind, I was reading the notes. Sits on the middle chair, the one uncle shoots. The whole dried like a scab is great. They made me clean it up with the hose scattering the green paint. Now the bare spot is just a reminder that uncle can't hold his own now without leaving a trace of himself behind us. That's good, that's good shit. No pun intended. Yeah, for this kind of thing where, yeah, I'm trying to give as much information as I can without it feeling like I'm giving information. So you were doing it intentionally. I thought maybe it was just a subconscious thing that you've been doing this for so long that it just happens. So you were intentionally doing it. That's cool, that's cool to know. Yeah, I mean, essentially I'm trying to paint a picture, you know. To where each sentence matters and tells something like you said with the jury, okay, why would she sell her jury? Hard up, apparently, and we find out hard up because they're spending their money on drugs and whatnot. I think I wrote it in one of the, as one of the chapters where the kid goes to, you know, they want him to shoplift. He's not down with that. So they usually, I like the idea of, you know, but the cousin, for whatever reason, because I was thinking, if we have this nine-year-old cousin and the 16-year-old takes off, and if they're kind of like, he leaves them behind, you know, in a lot of stories, he would do what he could to get this other kid out of there. But I thought it'd be better if the kid likes it. So when he does shoplift and comes home to bring stuff, he's praised for it. It makes it feel really good that he did something for his family and his family. It's kind of recognized, you know, it's pathetic. Yeah, it is, but it makes sense. Psychologically, it makes sense that he would want the reward because he doesn't get rewards. You know, there is no happy times in this house, so yeah. And I just view the kid as being like, maybe the woman in the relationship that she knows isn't good for her, but she doesn't want to leave. And so on some strange, you know, this kid being as young as he is has like an unconditional love for his family. Doesn't maybe realize just how bad it is because he doesn't know what life could be like. What life is for other people outside of that. This is all he knows. So I thought maybe we should present that too where like the reason why our protagonist isn't rescuing this poor nine-year-old kid is because the nine-year-old kid doesn't think he needs to be rescued. He doesn't want to leave. Yeah. But he's also not involved with, although, up with the exception of, yeah, I will go steal this stuff. Where this kid is like, you know, our protagonist, he's not down with the stealing, doesn't want to get caught, doesn't think it's cool, but he'll go dumpster diving, you know, which is something that's regularly done. You know. Yeah, I love that idea. As I was reading over your notes that you sent me, I love the first three chapters. So the way you outlined them, and I'm completely down with that. I really liked the idea of the MC going and dumpster diving to get out of having to steal. And then the nine-year-old, them not being happy with that. So the nine-year-old just goes, I'll take care of it, you know, just so he can get that, what, serotonin or dopamine or whatever, from actually getting praised, because he's never praised for anything else. I love that. That's great. Yeah. I think I put that in like a later chapter, but I'm, you know, touching on it now, and this could, I mean, there could be a thousand words between the last two paragraphs to spread out. These are almost kind of just like ideas, you know? And then, you know, you write a paragraph and you're like, you know what? This needs to go up 14 paragraphs up, you know, this section right here. Constantly moving things around. I do that all the time. Also, stealing is an adrenaline rush, too, so. Yeah, maybe it could be like the kids almost kind of way of getting high, just like everybody else. Yeah. I'm really digging this. Tink. Look at our notes, quick. Yeah, we gotta start coming up with some names. Yeah, I was thinking about that. I don't know, I don't want to use this, but the very first thing, and probably just because of the cliche and the stereotype of this family, right off the bat, for some odd reason, I had Uncle Cletus, and I was like, that's way too on the nose for this, but that's the only name that popped into my head while you were writing. And I was like, I don't know. Whilst you guys are cooking, I'm soupy. Let them cook, let them cook. For some reason, my wife said you should name your, because I told her this morning about what we were doing, I told her the premise. And she said you should name your kid Shane. And I said, why is that? And she just told me that she knew a kid named Shane that came from a lower class family and that their house was kind of like that. But also we can use Derrick Alaska Jones over on Discord. He's Derrick Jones here, but we could use Derrick's name also. I told him that I'd put him in a story. He doesn't have to be this one. I'm just saying that I told him that I put him in a story because he was like, so either one, the cousin could be Derrick or the emcee could be Derrick. I like Shane too. I'm not sure which one I want for which, but I like Shane. Shane can work. In fact, maybe the, I don't know. I think the young kid should have a, like the kind of name that's like, why would you name your kid that? Oh, that's a good one. I'm almost like either a novelty or named after somebody that, you know, like Elvis or it's just something like, why would, that's just cruel. Why would you do that? It's a stupid name. Just another testament to like, man, these are horrible parents. How about Duke and then dad is a John Wayne fan? Something like that? Yeah, except Duke kind of feels like just like rednecky. Okay. All right. Also, I like Travis for someone. I don't know, but I do like, I haven't used Travis or Shane ever. I've used to Derek, but not so much. Uncle Travis? Sounds good to me, man. Do we want that to be our main uncle? Yeah, definitely the main uncle. Okay, so Travis. And then when a whoever's hollering at him, I'm guessing that's either. That's the aunt and uncle talking. Yeah, it's gotta be the aunt. Yeah. So, but I would say she'd call him Trab. Okay. Yeah. I would think. And then when she's mad, she can like call him Travis. And that's going to be something subtle we add in there. And right now she's like, I ain't studying you kind of shit. But when she's really mad. Travis? Travesty? Trying to think of something else. You can give the boy a girl's name. That's funny you said that because I was literally just sitting here and saying, I mean, it's not a girl's name, but it's associated with something on that side, which was butch, you know, butch, Cassidy, that kind of thing. But let's see here. What? Fuck it. I mean, do you want to reference cash? Like just call him Sue. Yeah, that was my first thought. We could do that. Yeah. Sue or Cassidy. And they call it Cassie all the time and he hates it. Yeah, yeah, let's do that. I like Cassidy. I like Cassidy. Yes. Let's do Cassidy. And then yeah, call him Cassie. That's good. I like that. Yeah, there's a Western called Shane. Yeah. But yeah, he, Shane was more of like the hero in trying to break the hero in light stereotype. I don't think he was much an anti-hero. I can't remember like the, I just remember how he rides off at the end and it's kind of open-ended, but you know he's dead. I really love the very last shot of that movie. It's one of my favorites in like cinematic history. And the book's great too. So we're gonna go with Shane for our MC. Okay. I mean, I'm fine with that. I don't mind that at all. At least as a placeholder for right now if we're not entirely, if you're not entirely happy with it. Yeah, that's fine with me. It seems like a well-rounded simple name and not too common. So we got uncle number two and then his 24 year old son and then his son's girlfriend. I had an idea for a name for the pregnant girlfriend which is Bethany just so at some point in time someone could call her Bethany. I know it's gonna be Coke, but I had Bethany's more of a new thing, but Bethany is the first name I thought of and then I thought it would be funny to do Bethany. But it is Coke and it is the 70s, 80s, late 80s. Yeah, like 89, 90. Yeah, that was the year I got a talk by a big old doggy. Yeah, Bethany. Yeah, it's something we say around here. Kind of like calling angry white women Karen's. You see some chick who's tweaking and it's Bethany. Okay, I guess we should, everybody's last name. They could all have the same last name. Right. I don't know why first thing that popped into my head was Charles as far as like last name, Shane Charles, Travis Charles. It is like, that's the first thing that popped into my head and I tend to go with whatever pops up first. Okay. So we need an aunt name. Could be something quick, like Aunt Jan. The only thing that popped into my head was Marjorie. That's the only thing that I got. Jen or Jan, either one of those is fantastic. I like that. All right, let's go with Aunt Jan. Jan sounds weird. Okay. Aunt Jan. That's fine, I have an Aunt Janet and we call her Aunt Jan. Well, not anymore. I haven't seen her since I was like 15. I don't even thought about her, but yeah. Rita can be another one. Definitely a Rita. We can call the... Let's do Aunt Rita, I like the name. Yeah, and then we can call the other one, the pregnant girlfriend, Jen, if you wanted to. We'll get this cast together here in a second, that's for sure. We can just stick with... Bethany? Okay, you decided to use Bethany? That's fine, that's fine. Okay, so we need uncle number two and then his son. All right, man, the only thing I'm coming up with is like the most basic ass shit, like Doug. What about DeWitt? DeWitt, DeWitt, DeWitt, yeah, DEWITD, yeah, DeWitt, they could call him Dewey. Like we should have like one person in the family, like the nine year old calls everyone by their full name. Okay. Yep, and then what about Khan, the 24 year old son, Dwight? Like you got DeWitt and Dwight. I don't know if that's Duke Corny for you, dude, but... It's not Duke Corny, I just, I worry because we have so many people that... Oh yeah, you're right. No, you're right, that'd be way too fucking confusing. All right, let's see here. I said the stupidest, it's because of the books I have behind me, but I was like, let's call him Laird. Hunter? Hunter feels like something they might name their kid. I like Hunter, literally this is the reason is I got Laird Hunt book sitting here, and I said Laird at first, I was like, no, that's just fucking stupid, that's rich people name. And then Hunter popped in and I was like, that'll work. But anyways, and any of this stuff can change at any time. So that Hunter, all right, so we got Shane, Rita, Travis, DeWitt, Dewey, Hunter, Bethany, Cassidy, Pelton Cassie, yeah. The name bank is growing, I love it. I can't wait to get right to, sorry, get to boobs, find out who that guy is. Yeah, it's gonna be great. Ooh, everybody loves boobs. Oh, that is such a good dude. That's the magic, man. That's the magic on the airport, which simple shit like that. Okay, chapter one, protag chucking rocks into old copycams sitting on the rickety front porch, his family fight in the house behind him, demonstrate the unhealthy dynamics of the house, hangs out with nine-year-old cousin, gets him out of the house, chapter ends with Uncle Juan bringing him up. Okay, so I think what we'll do is to try to stick with that, maybe go up, like save the scene where Bethany comes out and have the boy come out instead, what's his name, Cassidy, and sit next to him, you know, and they talk, and then maybe they, yeah, they just kind of hang out and talk. You'll get to know them a little bit. Yeah, what I would do in this situation, if you wanted to have Cassidy come out, I mean, like have him come out and sit down and just like start chucking gravel with him, and then they could have like this simple conversation that starts like, there ain't no food in the house, so expect them to ask one of us to go, some should, I don't know, something like that, something that, you know, just normal ass conversation that isn't really focused because they're both chucking rocks. I did the same thing in Bayes End, so I don't know if you wanna like repeat that kind of thing, but when Trey and Eddie are walking down the street kicking the rock, it's almost like they're taking turns, talking, one will kick the rock, the other one will kick the rock, and it is almost like a bonding thing for these two boys to sit out there and chuck gravel in the, and one of them does it, one of, Shane does it too, for the good sound, and Cassidy does it just because of the camaraderie. You know, that kind of thing is what we implied, exactly. So especially for a nine year old. Okay. And I don't know if you wanna foreshadow talking about there's no food in the house or not, but that would be the only thing that where I would go with that, just to get the conversation kick started. Maybe I was thinking like having some kind of like dialogue where it's spoken, but the reader isn't exactly sure what they're talking about just yet. Yeah, I like, yeah, yes. And then you find out, oh, he's gonna go, this is what they do. He's gonna go steal some food, and this, you know, maybe have Shane say something like, you know, you don't have to do that. Yeah. And I can testify that you can most definitely live off dumpsters. Oh, oh, I know. I have done it. We, when we were in pretty, well, first off, I was homeless twice. I've been homeless twice in my life. Oh, my. And my favorite was Whole Foods dumpsters, because they would throw out the best shit, like salads, all the kinds of stuff that were pre-packaged. And they don't open them up and discard them that way. They just throw them out there whole. So Whole Foods, Costco, and Sam's Club, those dumpsters were fucking gold. That's where I got all of my food from. And I didn't have to worry about anything being dirty because all that stuff was packaged. So, yeah. We didn't have those, I didn't know any better. Looking back, there's a couple of grocery stores I probably could have went, but I never knew that food was thrown out at grocery stores. I didn't know that until I was way older. So I always hit the little Caesars. And this is back when they had Pizza Pizza, where I don't think they still have that, where you have to get two pizzas. The other ones free. And they won't give you just one pizza, even if you try. And then they came. I remember those days, and the pizza was squared. So I remember Pizza Pizza, that was their whole thing. These were, well, they came in like rectangles that were just like- Oh yeah, rectangles, not squares, but yes, rectangles. And yeah, so either, I watched a movie in the 80s called Street Wise about homeless kids. And I learned a trick from there. If you want to get a pizza that you want, then you order it and you don't go pick it up. Right. They'll throw it out and then you get your pizza. Like if you want the toppings. I don't remember if I ever did that. You have to do it at shift change though. That's the only cat, because they're gonna be taking the trash out of the shift. Closer to closing time. Right, or that, or that. And then yeah, you can get whatever you want because it's just gonna go in the trash. And usually they don't bother pouring it out. They just throw the box and everything in the dumpster. But pizza, just like most people, like my favorite food, that Mexican. And I'll tell you what, I never thought that I'd get tired of pizza. I lived in a little, at this particular time, I have been homeless twice, but this particular time I had an efficiency apartment. And I lived right around the corner from Pizza Place. I was so broke. And all I had was like, I'd been eating a lot of peanut butter toast because I was getting like from like the charitable place or whatever, they'd give you like a big thing of the black and white generic peanut butter. You had to add sprinkles of sugar because it just didn't taste like peanut butter. And then just- There were unroasted nuts and everything. It was just basic ass peanuts blended in the peanut butter. Yeah. And then it lives a bread and I didn't have a toaster. So I would just, I would throw like 12 pieces of bread in my oven and then cook them up and dude, I'm serious. I'd make a stack, like 14 inches tall of just peanut butter toast, scarf that. But when I got tired of that, yeah, I did the pizza thing, filled my fridge with pizza, different, you know, different kind with pineapple on it with Supreme, just pepperoni, whatever. And I got so tired of eating that pizza just for breakfast and lunch and dinner. So I started going to, I hit Taco Bell and McDonald's or Burger King. That's next to impossible to try to try to find something that isn't just nasty slop squished down in there. You're absolutely correct. Cause they throw everything in a waste bucket and it all gets mixed up and it might be wrapped, but they usually come, come apart or it's a fuck up on the line. So they haven't even wrapped the sandwich. Yes. And they just throw it into the waste bucket. And then the manager has to go through all this. But yeah, you're absolutely right. Now I do remember this wasn't, you know, dumpster diving, but one of the things that I would do, this is how long ago I was homeless. The, I think 39 cent taco Sundays at Taco Bell, I would get, I would, you know, pan handle for the entire week. And then I would go there on Sunday and get as many tacos as I could afford. And then I would eat those over the next couple. And I wouldn't get any lettuce or cheese on it. It was just the meat and the thing because the lettuce would go bad. And so with the cheese, but that meat lasts fucking forever. Strangely. Yeah, exactly. And I would eat off that. I'm pretty sure I gave myself food poisoning because I would literally eat off that unrefrigerated Taco Bell for like five to six days until I finally ran out. But yeah, anyways, cheerios, what the? Oh, hang on. One of my housemates got free food from her church. She would never eat the cheerios. So we had about 30 boxes. Oddly enough, when I went to food pantries around here, food pantries around here will give you like a case of fucking lemons. Like it's just stuff that the grocery stores don't want. So they donate it. They donate a certain amount to the food pantries around here. So you're never guaranteed anything nutritional. You just, you get what you get. And we've gotten entire crates of cantaloupe that were nearly rotted. We've gotten expired milk, not even shelf-stabled milk, just milk that had it already expired. Well, it's a best buy date nowadays so they can legally do that. That's why they stopped doing expiration dates because if they sell something after expiration date, they can be held responsible. With a best buy date, they can't be held responsible. That's why they shipped it. Anyways, so I'm also with this, there was, once again, there was a point I was trying to make with this and now I can't remember what the fuck it was. Oh yeah, the food pantry. So, but the most, like the craziest thing we ever got was an entire case of lemons. I'm talking like 300 lemons. And we had no idea what to do with it. We didn't have any flour or anything like that to like make like lemon bread or whatever. And it just like, what the hell, this is an insult. Like, what am I gonna do with a case of lemons and a jug of expired milk or a case of rotting cantaloupe? And while you feel bad for not being appreciative at the same time, again, what the hell is someone who's already struggling and going to do with a case of lemons, honestly. Like when you just make yourself a bunch of lemonade. Yeah, there you go. The left is your lemons, dude. Haven't you learned that a long time ago? Right, that's the fuckload of lemonade though. I'm so tired of taste of peanut butter here. Have a lemon. Anyways, I'm gonna go ahead and take a break because I've already been in the chair for over an hour. Me and Chad talk about 15 minutes before this. And if you wanna continue writing or just talk to Chad or whatever, I'll hit you guys back when I get back. Mute my hand. Hang on, was there anything you wanted to talk about before, hang on? No. Okay, all right, just making sure. I just realized I don't need to type on that. I don't think, maybe I do. Thank you, Lazy, I did. All right, I gotta write something. Something just popped into my head. I gotta get this down before I forget it. Do it? Sorry, I can't even hear you. All right. Geez, I also do this thing. I'm sure you probably do it too, where if something pops into my head, it's not gonna be used for, could be 15,000 words later. I don't know, I will have a section called use later or something and then put those at the bottom. Yeah, I do the same thing. I just did one where Shane sticks up for, it comes out the Cassie thing, he doesn't like it, it comes out and it's just a quick. Gotcha. It's funny you bring up the bread and peanut butter because what I'm writing over here, I guess I can just throw this in also for the use later just so you can read it. Let's put it, is it really not gonna let me do this? Oh, you can't use, oh Lord, I don't know if this is gonna mess you up. No, you're fine. It's a good formatting. No, that's, I'm not worried about that. Okay. The Syncs of Science experiment, moonlighting as an entomologist's wet dream, plates fuzzy with molds scattered in both basins, a spoon stands on end in one corner, a cockroach stuck in the peanut butter coating the utensil, dangles from the side like a mountain climber writhing linguistically, dead flies float in a faded and scratched cool with container, their bodies drifting across gray water that smells vaguely of Hidden Valley. Someone smashed a moth on the rim of the sink is what I've got so far. Nice. I was thinking maybe open up chapter two with that or so I don't know, but we'll use it somewhere. I really, I'd like that. Let me read what you've got since I... If you go to the screen door screams, I took Bethany out and put Cassidy in instead. Okay. I like that imagery. The ears being too big. That's cool. Yeah, waiting to see if Travis comes out and... Yeah. Yeah, I like that. Probably be more of a tink or a ping with a tink, right? If it's like a coffee can, it'd definitely be a tink. Like a tink. It would definitely be something like that. If it was like a tin can would be more like a plink. It's just a much thinner aluminum or tin or whatever the fuck they use. But I mean, plink works fine too. I mean, either one of them, but I do like tink. Manage strawberry jam, get that too. And I was thinking pregnant girlfriend can be on a... Bethany can be on wick so they could technically get the peanut butter for free and then he could shoplift the strawberry jam to go with it. So I don't know. I can't remember if they had, I can't remember when they started wick. I thought it was. It might have been, actually it might have been, no, TANF came later. I'm looking it up. I remember being on what was called GA where... Government assistance, yeah. And which is insane to think that a very healthy 16, 17 year old kid, the first time I got on it, I was 17, that a healthy 17 year old guy with no kid, just too lazy to work, can get food stamps and have my rent paid. Wow. That did not help me. Nah. I mean, it actually helped me. I mean, it actually helped me a little bit. It helped me. Nah. I mean, it helped me to continue all my bad habits and just be lazy, but it didn't help me get a job. I was like, wait a minute, I can eat for free and have my rent paid. It's just skateboarding, playing bands all day and you don't have to, like, yeah. Sounds awesome. But, yeah, and takes away from the people who actually need it. Let's see here. So yeah, October 7th, 1975. T.L. 94-105 established WIC is a permanent program. The legislation stated Congress finds that substantial numbers of pregnant women, infants and young children are at special risk in respect to their physical and mental health by reason of poor or inadequate nutrition or healthcare or both. So, but of course, all you get in that is like beans, milk, peanut butter. Formula, I think. Yeah, formula if it's babies. But, of course, they wouldn't use that yet. Of course, when the baby comes. So, yeah, 75. And if, I mean, at any point in time, are we gonna be like it is 1989 or can it just be assumed that, you know, just by the fact that there's like, what, H-Tracks and cassettes and no DVDs and CDs or whatever, you know. I think H-Tracks are pretty much dead by 89, but. Okay, all right. So, y'all fancy motherfuckers might've had, no. Sorry, but I know my dad had an H-Track player in the house and in his truck and he used H-Tracks, not that they were still coming out, but he used H-Tracks all the way up until like 92. Yeah, he loved his H-Tracks. We couldn't get him to change over. It's almost like trying to get my mom to use a touchscreen cell phone. We couldn't get them to change over to those, respectively, you know, it took years. And from what my mom said, it took years for him to go from records to H-Tracks. Like he didn't even like start subscribing, not subscribing, but buying H-Tracks until the, until it just was a cheaper option than buying a record. But anyways, and I think his record player broke, I'm not sure, but I know we had the H-Track player. And then eventually we got a combo, which was a record player and an H-Track, one of those big silver faced ones. I think that was after his mother died. He got $10,000, bought himself a new truck, didn't pay off any other credit card debt mom and racked up, went out and bought that thing. And then two like, two fucking like woodgrain speakers that were taller than me at that point. But anyways. So I was like that with CDs. I used to drive me crazy that my little brother would, when CDs start coming out and getting popular, I think it was like 91, 92. And my little brother would spend $18 on a CD. And I'd be like, dude, I can get two, almost two cassettes for the price that you're paying for one CD. So I continued with the cassettes, still buying them while he would spend 18 bucks on them and the new, you know, smashing pumpkins or Allison chains or something. And I'd be like, dude, I can save so much more money and get more music, but he was right. I remember people being so against CDs because of the quality was so good. Like it didn't, you know, and it was the same thing with like records, you know, people were like, you know, it doesn't have the same feel, the same gritty texture as, you know, even a cassette or a vinyl. Yeah. That was like big drama for that one. I don't know why, but it was. There's something else I was going to say about, see, oh yeah, I actually am in the club. I never, because I was so broke between the time that, you know, CDs, I have never bought a brand new CD. The only CDs I've ever bought were from a warehouse music. And that was the used ones because I just couldn't afford, like you were saying, you know, they're 18 fucking dollars. But sometimes, you know, you could get a relatively new CD at warehouse that someone had traded in for like, you know, less than 10 bucks. And then of course they had like the small ones, like the bins they would have and it'd be like 99 cents or the best part about warehouse was the buy to get to free. They ran that sale a lot, especially in my area. And I would go down there and just load up on CDs. We also had a place in Troy, Alabama for the longest time and that's where we moved when we first moved from California. It was a place called AD CDs. And it was another secondhand place like warehouse, but it was a little mom and pop operation. And I would go in there and blow my entire paycheck when I was like 16, 17 years old. I was working at Burger King as a crew member and my check would be like $120. I would blow that entire $120 on CDs only. I remember buying entire collections of like everything Nine Inch Nails had out at that time, everything Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Cannibal Corpse, all that stuff. They had such a huge selection and they were cheap as hell. And then you also had a punch card and for every five that you bought, you get one free. So yeah, I would go in there and I would get 10 to 15 CDs at a time, but I have never purchased a brand new CD ever, which is hilarious because I've purchased all of my music now digitally and I don't use the streaming services unless I already have the album and I don't have the album with me or downloaded or whatever and I don't have any signal, then I'll listen to the, but anyways, but I will, if I have a signal and I'm out, I will listen to that thing or whatever, or let's say shells in the car, I don't have my phone, I can pull up Amazon music, whatever. I still buy CDs, I still buy vinyl. Not often because it's expensive, but there's a couple artists that they're stuff I specifically want on vinyl. So I must have at least 800, 900 records, not as many CDs, but several hundred CDs as well. That's wild. Shell would get a kick out of seeing your collection. She loves shit like that. Her father had a massive vinyl collection that her mother has now and Shell was hoping she was gonna get it, but no one passed it down. So now it just sits in my mother-in-law's closet collecting dust because she doesn't listen to them. I'm like, oh, the tragedy of it all, but anyways, but now I got another, I got a good friend who has like over 20,000 vinyl and he's very, very well off, but yeah, and also he's got something like 10,000 physical books and a thousand of those are like, not like they're not the gift editions of like cemetery dance stuff, but the actual like lettered editions that cost like $1,200, you got like a thousand of those. Dude's collection is worth like a million bucks. It's insane. But yeah, she's always like, we gotta see your, we gotta go visit your friend just so I can see she loves shit like that. I still buy CDs. I think the only CD I bought new was Ozzie's latest album and I saw it at Walmart and nabbed it. I didn't even know he had a new album out. I bought that one too. Well, it came out, was it the end of last year or maybe earlier this year? I bought it. I think the last CD I bought brand new was maybe last month I got Anthrax Among the Living, which I already own on cassette, but I didn't have it on CD. We were just talking about it on a stream that a couple of nights ago, I asked anybody if they knew what Among the Living, what they're talking about and it's the stand. Well, you know this, but. They wrote a lot of, they've got at least four or five songs that have to do with Stephen King books. Yeah, that's what I was telling everybody in chat. I was like, Anthrax are huge, huge fans of Stephen King because they've written numerous songs just based on his stuff. I wrote an article for Decibel magazine about songs that were written based on horror books. And I think Anthrax was one of the fans I used. I hope you touched on Pet Cemetery by the Ramones. I still, I have a folk cover of that one that's really, really interesting that I, it's an arrangement I did myself on my acoustic. I don't know if I did or not. Google the music. I don't wanna be buried with Pet Cemetery. I've thought about releasing it on the channel but I worry about copyright stuff like that. So I used, you know, Pro Bot is? It's David Grohl's kind of like hardcore project. I had no idea. Pro Bot? Pro Bot, yeah. It's basically, Dave Grohl wrote a bunch of songs and like from hardcore to like heavy metal and picked a bunch of singers and they all singed on, singed? Wow. I are a writer. I'll sing on them. I said Botin the other day and my entire family just stopped everything they were doing and just stared at me for a second. I was like, did you just say Botin? I had Botin as my, I'm a writer. A Pro Bot song that Kurt from DRI sing on an accused song, Black Sabbath's Behind the Wall of Sleep misfits Hollywood Babylon. Shake Your Blood featuring Lemmy. Oh, Chris would, my youngest would love that. He just got into Motorhead. He hit me with that in the car yesterday. He's like, hand me the aux cable. So I hand him back the aux cable and he puts on Ace of Spades. And I'm like, before he starts playing, he goes, warning, this song will probably be stuck in your head all day. And it just, it starts playing. I'm like, what the fuck? Why are you listening to Motorhead? I wasn't like saying he couldn't, but it was just like, where did that even come from? And he's a big fan of the Ramones. So it popped up in his recommended on Spotify. And he was like, do you know this one? I was like, yeah, I fucking know this one. I used to play this one in a band, but Ace of Spades. Like I used to get into character and everything for the fucking song. But anyways, yeah, he's 11 listening to Megadeth and Slayer. He's basically me just in a different body. Cause I was listening to all those bands at about that age too. Professional writers. Yes, I'm a jake and put that one up on screen. Button is probably correct for me, grammar. I have a million cassettes. I taped up Harvard and MIT's punk and pop radio shows, but I just listened to vinyl and songs on YouTube. That was a unique scenario I was trying to describe. Why the only reason, and I didn't, I don't think I got to my point well enough. And it doesn't matter, it really doesn't. But there was something I was gonna bring up that I'd still listen to streaming. I can't remember the unique situation I was in where I had to listen to streaming instead of my downloaded music. I can't remember what the hell it was. So anyways, my damn ADHD brain gets stuck on stupid shit like that. Oh, I need to move this down to later scene. And if you want, we can see, highlight these different colors or something. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna do that. Well, that's not easy on the eyes. That is, I was about to say that. Oof, loves me some purple, but yeah, that's hard to read. Also, if you're back to writing, you're still on the infinity screen. Okay. So, you know. Yeah, you did write Convenience Store. I kind of chuckled inwardly. I might have even chuckled outwardly when I read it, but that was just because I've done the same thing. I've done Convenience Store. I read one of Jake's stories on stream for Game Night. Oh yeah, okay. Yeah, and it said Convenience Store, and I chuckled it because I do that quite often. Also, speech to text does that to me all the time because I don't know how to spell convenience. I get it wrong every single time. That's another reason why I use speech to text. I get sheriff wrong every time. Really? Yes. That's an interesting one. I've never had a problem with that one. Also, for some odd reason, and this is driving me absolutely that shit fucking crazy as a writer and someone that I believe is at least of moderate intelligence, myself, suddenly I've started saying supposedly. And I'm like, just fucking stop it. Just stop. Next, you're gonna be saying irregardless, even though that shit is in the dictionary now. That's ridiculous. Yeah, sheriff, I'm like, two Rs and two Fs, or just two Rs and one F, or is it one of our two Fs? Sure if. Sure if. JB starts the story at the laundromat, what? I like to give my favorite views since they literally have songs that have been posted for 15 years and have 2,000 views. If I'm typing really fast, then I'll do that a lot where I misspell things or use similar words that aren't the one I'm meaning to write. Yeah, we all do it, man. There's nothing to be embarrassed about. Not saying you're embarrassed, but we all do it. And think about this. One of the most famous typos of all time, and these books sold millions, is in the original Twilight. Stephanie Meyer wrote a moat of dust, but she used the wrong moat, and it was like a castle moat. And when I read that, I was just tackling it, and I was like, that's a lot of fucking dust. Anyways, and I stopped reading after that, because I was like, if her editor didn't catch that, if that one got through, I do not have hopes for any of the other books in this series. I gave the first book a hundred pages, and you're a good man. I think it's just the most cliche thing that I've ever read. It's the most boring, it's like V.C. Andrews writing. I still remember the time Stephen King was high as a kite, and he was doing an interview on television, and he had Peter Straub sitting right next to him, and they were talking about the best and worst writers of that. It was like the late 80s, maybe early, no, it was definitely the 80s. Didn't they have another? Is that the one with Ira Levin? I think so, but what King says has always stuck with me, and someone asked him about V.C. Andrews, and he says, V.C. Andrews is currently writing the worst prose in literature. And I'm just like, and you can tell he's coped out of his mind. He's like, his eyes are even twitching to the kind of like the dude in Identity. You know, it's just like, it's just whilin' out, and Straub is sitting over there like, like this. Well, when your friend's high and you're not, he's just, like, why are we talking shit about our fellow writers, just move on. Yeah, there's a really cool interview. I don't remember if King is on it, but it's Ira Levin, Peter Straub, and somebody else. And they're all just smoking cigarettes like crazy. Yeah. Yeah. During this interview, they're both smoking too. But there was a third author. I don't think I've ever seen Ira Levin, so it might have been him. But I just, I remember that quote so much. V.C. Andrews is writing the worst prose in literature. Currently writing the worst prose. I've never read V.C. Andrews, but I did just recently get flowers in the attic. Gotcha. It's basic stuff. It's the, she, well, it's now Andrew Niederman took over when she died. But she originally, I mean, it was, you know what people were there for when they bought her books. It was not there for a high literary experience. So I mean, she did what people wanted. E, I milled your care package off this morning, estimated to get there on Friday, fucking rad. Thank you, Zoop, appreciate you. Yeah, Jacob, that's probably the one. I know it's like in the late 70s. Oh, this one, what I'm, and that's definitely not what I'm talking about. Cool that you know which one it was, but the one that I'm talking about, they're at a book signing. And there's a tape, there's like a card table and Straub's sitting there. He's got on like a blue shirt. King has on this brown blazer and his thick black rimmed glasses. And he says that, and you can just tell he is just fucking geeked out of his mind on something. Oh yeah, did I finish what you wrote? Yeah, I did. Okay, also, I'm gonna go up here and do the Bad Sounds chapter heading. Yeah, Jake, I've seen that typo in Pet Cemetery. I've made note of it in one of my copies too, because they still haven't fixed it. Like I have this, the new trade paperback, or mass market paperback edition, and it's still in there. Cassidy is now missing both his canines, like they fell out. I added that to his description up here. Okay, I did the shaped head because it's like the lazy haircut. Yeah, definitely, 100%, I like that. I thought he'd make him even more endearing to have his mile wide grin showing off the black spaces whereas recently Lost Clean, I used to be. It's even more endearing. Awesome. Lots of books have someone being given free reign. What do you mean, Lazy? Oh, okay, I got you. Yeah, that was one, I read an entire book where every time, and it came up oddly often, instead of taught as in you taught someone, the author wrote T-A-U-T every single time. Like it's a taught situation. Or the rope was taught. I was like, bruh, come on, that's simple. Hands, man. I need a backyard of me, I want 150,000. You think we got too many people living in this house? I was thinking to fix that situation, they could have like a storage shed, like duct tape down to the back. Like, you know, something, some kind of thing. I like the idea. Hey, vamp, how you doing? I ain't seen you in a while. I like the idea of having that many people in there. It might be a bit crowded, like writing-wise, but I do like the idea of all those people being stuck in this one cramped place and everybody's just desperate for a better life. But, I mean, yeah, do what you want, man. If you wanna kill somebody out there. I just mean like character-wise, like being able to. I know what you're getting. Yeah, being able to give. Because if we took out one of the guys, because I'm trying to, you know, I want them to all like have personality, but I also don't want people to get confused. Like uncle, uncle, uncle's son. Yeah, I was thinking of, if we got rid of anyone, when you just brought this up, the first person I thought we can get rid of is the other uncle and just have his kids, no, his 24 year old son and his pregnant wife living with them, you know, and that could easily get, because I don't see that character in my head at all. I see Travis, I see Rita, I see Bethany, I see, I already forgot the son's name, Hunter. Hunter, I see Cassidy, I see Shane. Yeah, it would be the other one. Is it more than 10? No, I don't think so. So we got Rita, Bethany, Hunter, Cassidy, Shane, and Travis is six. Am I missing someone if we get rid of the other uncle? No, Shane, Aunt Rita, Uncle Travis, Hunter, Bethany, and Cassidy, yeah, yeah. Yeah, uncle, the way it might be too much. Yeah, but I don't see him anyways. So I was interested in seeing what you were gonna do with him, or if I was gonna take it on, did the Brady's and Full House have too many people? It's a little easier to keep track of people when it's a television show. Yeah, and visually you could see. You got faces, yeah. We gotta have the Full House had too many when it became Full House. You know, we're probably gonna be, you know, like the carnival, not that we're gonna describe every single person, but that's probably gonna be a nice handful of characters. I mean, we only have three now, or four, the Ferris Wheel Guy, Boobs, whoever Boobs is, and Shana, Shana. Mingo and Shana, my wife asked me today, she goes, you got a name for the girl to carnival yet? I said, yeah, Shana. She goes, Shana? I said Shana, yeah, as in henna, but with an S in front of it. She said, what, I said, don't ask. Never heard of that name before. It's just a word. We are writing a, basically like a coming of age, 16 year old boy living Harry Potter style with his aunt and uncle and a bunch of other people in this either trailer park or rundown house, whatever. And the uncle is stealing, is gonna be stealing a bag of cocaine. Then the main character, Shane, who's 16, steals the cocaine from his uncle and runs off with the carnival and meets a girl. You know, that's pretty much the buildup. And then it's, the carnival is gonna be on the road. So it's gonna be a kind of like very laxed cat and mouse chase until shit goes down later on and they'll become more tense, so on and so forth. But that's just of what we're doing. But yay for carnival story. I could write, I could only write carnival stories and be happy the rest of my career. Carnival, circus, amusement park, boardwalk, any of that shit. I guess I could say. Ooh, there was literally a child nutrition and WIC Reauthorization Act of 1989. So that year they changed things. This definitely isn't YA. No, this is done. We're gonna get dark, I promise you. Not that YA doesn't get dark, but yeah, it's definitely not YA. They could get government cheese too. They didn't stop doing that in the 90s. If the government ever gave free food, it was freaking awesome, it was that cheese. That stuff was like cocaine in and of itself. That shit meant we used that for everything. Loved that cheese. Plain rectangle box, it's a big break of cheese. In Lansdale's Freezerburn, the main attraction, like the anchor of his whole side show, because they have a freak show and stuff, is this block of ice that has a prehistoric man in it that he lugs around everywhere. That's funny. It's like his pride and joy. He does everything just to keep that thing frozen. And you're never really sure if it's a really prehistoric guy or just a dead guy in there. That's cool. Okay, Jake, that sounds good. I'm gonna change this baby filled to her mountainous pregnant belly. What do you think? Okay. Go with that? I don't know, baby filled is bothering me for some fucking reason. I was gonna do planetary, but that's a little too alliterative for that sentence, because it would be her planetary pregnant belly reaching the porch first. That's a lot of peas. Anyways, the arms to bring. That's so sorry. That's a great spot of humor. It comes out of nowhere. I love this kid. What is this chick's name? I keep forgetting this chick's name. Oh, yeah. Rita or Bethany. Soot-covered screen turning its skin in eerie black. Where did it all go? I did leave it on accident. Oh, okay. Oh, Bethany, where did it go? I brought it back. Yeah, it's back. I'll move that later piece up to this discussion here. Gotcha. Yeah, and feel free to toss in, to help differentiate all the characters, descriptive things here and there, whatever. I've been layering some as they kind of grow in my head. I also don't wanna do too much right now because I don't want to break your momentum while you're writing and I don't wanna change anything new while you're still in that area. Let's see here. All right, I gotta get some lunch. How many of you are gonna stop here or I can hit my camera and hang out and eat, but? No, I think we're good. We've been going for two hours. We can always do more later or I mean, it's whatever you really wanna do. I'm fine the rest of the day. So if you just wanna take a break and come back and do another episode or if you wanna eat on camera, I don't really have anything else to add right now. I'm still formulating. Well, I have been adding and I think I've added a considerable amount actually. But yeah, the later scene down here, I got several paragraphs already done. So we put in work today, that's for sure. And it's going wonderfully. And if I were to do anything else today, I would probably just be layering what you already have with like character descriptions and whatnot. I also wanna try and fit in where the most natural place for this wick discussion is just to throw it in there that they do have money for something but maybe they're out of vouchers because there's six fucking people living up one person's wick. So. They'd be using their food stamps to buy gum so that they get the 75 cents back for each dollar. I don't know if you ever did that before, but. No, I didn't. Oh yeah, cause you can't, you obviously can't buy cigarettes and stuff with food stamps. So you buy a pack of big red and then you just, you have another friend buy a pack of big red, another friend buy, yeah, used to do that. I didn't know you could do that. I'm no wonder they switched over the EBT cards. But when we used to- And this was back when you had booklets of like the paper. Right, right. Like actual food stamps. And now it's the EBT card, but I would, I don't think E, his drink, drink a thing. Yes I have, I got my copy. I've been drinking, anyways. Hang on, I'm getting distracted by chat. We used to sell our food stamps like a 50 cents in a dollar kind of thing. So if we had a hundred, we would make 50 bucks, that kind of thing. But that's the only thing I've really ever did as far as that was concerned. But yeah, we were on all that government assistance when I was growing up. And it was funny because I kind of, you were talking about how it was a cushion for you to just be lazy. When I needed it, I couldn't fucking get it. That was the crazy part. It was like, you're working, you should be able to pay for this, that and the other. I was like, I'm literally homeless working. All my money is going to trying to find a place to live or it's going to food. How am I supposed to find a place to live when I'm only making, I think it was like 525 an hour back then. But anyways, it was a mess. But yeah, when I was younger, mom would literally have me go sell the food stamps to, I didn't even know you could do that. I didn't think they gave you cash back at all. I thought it was a matter of, you just had to lose that money or get over that amount. I didn't know they gave you your cash back. Maybe my mom do that, but I didn't. But yeah, she would send me over to neighbors and it's like, go trade this in. They know how much to pay. So, and that's why we were stuck eating what we ate, which was basically the bare, bare minimum. We didn't have milk for like four years because we couldn't afford it. And that was back when milk was like, it wasn't any more than a dollar 50. And we had to drive through dairy in our neighborhood. And that place was even more expensive, but it was the closest place. So dad would go down to get that because he was lazy, didn't want to get out of his truck. And you pull up and tell people, I don't know if you've ever done a drive through dairy, but you literally pull up and it's like a convenience store, but you drive up, tell the person what you want, and then they grab everything and you pay for it. So, there's a party store around here like that, but not like specifically dairy. Got you. They literally called them dairy, drive up dairies, but there was more stuff there. There was candy bars, you know, other groceries and whatnot, but you didn't have to get out of the car. You just pull up, tell the person behind where it was usually like a small brick building. And it was just an open face convenience store. And then the corrugated metal door, garage door basically would never be all the way up there to always speed this line of that. Anyways, but yeah, good, amazing work today. Looking forward to convenient store milk. Yes, convenient milk store. Yes, yes, not convenient store, a convenient milk store. But they had other things other than dairies, but that's what we called them was a drive up dairy. Just like it took me a long time when I first moved out here to stop calling every gas station I went to a liquor store, because out in California, the gas stations had liquor, you know, out here they don't. I don't know what it's like up in Michigan, but they here- I remember when I lived in Denver for a little while in the 80s and when I remember moving out there at any time I would say party store, they're like, what the heck are you talking about? Like, were you get balloons and stuff? I'm like, what, no, where you go to party, man. You get your party supplies, you know, they're like, you meet a liquor store. I'm like, okay, yeah, liquor store. Out here, a liquor store is like the ABC store or whatever. That's what they call liquor store out here, because you can't sell hard liquor, anything over a certain ABV, you can't sell at a convenience store or grocery store here. And then some counties are dry Sundays. Mine just switched like two years ago to where you can actually buy alcohol on a Sunday. And the only place you could get it before that was like shorter where they have the Native American racetrack and casino and all that stuff, because it's their land, you can do whatever they can do whatever they want. And shorter didn't sell like beer cans or anything like that to charge as much as possible. They would literally run a keg into old milk cartons, sanitized and whatnot, but you'd get an entire gallon of beer, is that was the only, and then there was a one point in time, draft beer was illegal here. You could only do the bottles or stuff like that. I don't even know why any of these rules existed, but yeah, so shorter was the only place you could get draft beer, and it was the only place you could get beer on Sundays. So I spent a lot of time in shorter when I was younger. That's for damn sure. Anyways, I don't know where I'm gonna fit in all the stuff that I wrote, but cause. It's good to have it there. Well, I mean, yeah. I put in here that Travis is in a good mood on this day, and I'm thinking it's because he got the cocaine. So he's in a better mood and he's, this is right after he's accomplished the thieving of it. So maybe he hasn't told everybody yet. I said he's in a good mood today and I don't wanna ruin it. Anyways, so yeah, thank you guys for joining us. I'm going to head inside and then I'm gonna shoot a bunch of videos. Sorry, there was no prerecorded video today, but I figured if there's still a video today, it's whatever, but then you gotta review for this book coming tomorrow, so you can look forward to that. Do you want, no, we're not streaming tomorrow morning cause I have a doctor's appointment. Do you wanna do something later in the day or do you just wanna call it quits until? I would, but I got final guys tonight and I haven't watched the main feature yet. So I probably, I probably shouldn't. Yeah, let's just quit off for tomorrow and tonight and we'll do Thursday. We'll get back on a Thursday morning, nine o'clock. Is that cool? Yeah. Or 10 o'clock for you? Yeah, 10 o'clock. All right, so we'll see you guys on Thursday. Thanks again for watching, but until next time, I'll hail the cheese.