 It's so stupid, it's positively brooose Ayyyyyy Oh shit! Ayy Ayy Ayy Ayy I never heard this shit Ayyy This is gonna be the Scotland version Hey, hey, hey. Oh. What boy band is this? Is Rivens Guys' weight? It's Showtime's birthday. It's Andrew Showtime's birthday. All right, cut it off. Come on now. Let me hit that. Hit that Stevie Wonder one time. Hit that Stevie Wonder version one time, man. Come on, man. Come on. It's Showtime's birthday. How old are you today, Showtime? 36. 36, like the Wu Tangs chambers. Okay? 36 years. Oh. That motherfucker is getting up there. Come on, hit it, Taylor. You're kind of black person. Don't have Stevie Wonder's birthday song. That's how you know we used the funerals. We used the casualties in death. Dude, it's really okay. We don't need it. I hate the, uh, what? Oh, God. Hey. Hey. Hey, it's the birthday. Hush, hush, hush one second. This is the ultimate birthday song. Listen, if we're being honest, Stevie Wonder has the greatest birthday song of all time. You need to stop calling this the black birthday song. This is actually the birthday song. This shit got so much soul and so much rhythm. Intro takes a long time to get the way it needs to be, but it's just building up because you're bringing the cake out. You're bringing the cake out, you know what I'm saying? You got the goddamn candles on the cake. What the fuck? What happened? You're bringing the cake out? Okay. All right, almost dropped it, but I'm bringing it out. Okay. Candles is lit. Looking at the birthday boy. He's over there drunk. You know what I'm saying? Everybody's surrounding him. He doesn't want to give a speech. You know what I mean? He's just sitting there trying to figure out what should he do. It's the most awkward position in the world because it really is a little worse. It's fishbowl like a motherfucker. You're like, shit, I still have the energy at 36 to blow these goddamn candles out. I hope they don't have 36 candles on this motherfucker. No, it's only three. It's only four. It's only five. You're like, shit, this intro ain't dropped yet. When they gonna start singing? Shit. Oh, fuck. It is a verse before you get to the chorus. Okay. Now at least we got some words. Hey, hey, hey. Trish your mom. You know what I'm saying? You grab your girlfriend. You dance with her a little bit. You know what I mean? You pop, she give him a salute. Greg, what's happening? You know what I mean? Alex over there recording everything. Okay. Oh, Shawl ain't here yet. Oh, shit, he just walked in. I smell weed. It must be wax. All right. It's going down, baby. Big 36 Andrew Schultz. Okay. This is the part where everybody act like they know the words, but they really still don't. Because everybody only knows one part and it's this part. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday. Blow it out. Make a wish. Make a wish, Shawl. Make a wish, baby. Make a wish, baby. All right. Bro, I'm not going to, I think that's the single most impressive thing you've ever done, bro. How do you feel about your birthday, man? That is the most impressive thing I've ever seen you do to sustain that bullshit energy for fucking two straight minutes through the music. Paint that picture. Like we all knew where the fuck we were. That's power radio, bro. You should have smelled we's wax hands. That's years of radio experience. Feel the time. Feel the time, baby. Listen, it is Shawl's birthday. In today's episode of Brilliant It is also brought to you by the new season of the Spotify Original Podcast, Dyssect. Dyssect is a serialized music analyst podcast where they take a single album per season and examine the lyrics, music, and meaning behind one song per episode. Their new season is all about Kendrick Lamar's 2017 album, Damn! Unpacking this Pulitzer Prize winning album note by note, line by line. Scream Dyssect on Spotify, Stitcher, wherever you get your podcasts because great art deserves more than a swipe. Okay? Happy birthday, Andrew Shopes. Thank you, sir. And the sad part about life is when you're celebrating somebody's birthday, you end up having to celebrate somebody's death. I don't want to say celebrate. You're celebrating somebody's life because they died. 100%. R.I.P. Spoon. Yeah, man. John Witherspoon. Jesus Christ. You know what's so crazy? John Witherspoon has always seemed old, right? Yeah. And you really look at these older people and you really just don't ever know. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's a lot of our celebrities, whether they're actors, musicians, they're up in age. We had Patti LaBella on the show this week and I was having a... She looked great, by the way. Looks amazing. But you forget she's 80. Yeah. How old is Patti? She gotta be like either late 70s or 80. Is she the one making the pies? Making the fucking pies, man. Yeah, dude. She's been killing it. You know what I'm saying? But if you're having a conversation with her and I'm talking to her about death, does she ever question her own mortality? Yeah. Because I mean, 75. Because people around her, like her peers, the Aretha Franklin, the Diane Carroll. Yes. They passed away. How did that make you feel? You know what I mean? What did she say? She said that she doesn't think like that. She feels like she's just going to be here and she's just enjoying life. She said it was a period of her life when she did feel like she wanted to die. Yeah. Because she said for like five years she had lost her voice. And that was everything. That was her identity. That was her gift. She said five years she had lost her voice. She didn't know. She didn't realize that she said she didn't know what it was. And she said it just came back. She said she used to do shows and she used to be like feeling so bad for the people at the shows because they used to be like... She ain't got it no more. Patti ain't got it no more. And she was like it just came back. And she said in that moment she felt like she wanted to go. You know? I guess because she felt like she didn't have anything to live for what she couldn't say. Right. Or it's all for the world. Yeah. Yeah it's a tricky thing man. Life and... I was kind of reflecting a bit last night. I feel like John Woods is going to make his mark though. Oh dude. Absolutely. That's it. Yeah man. He's been in such classic shit. Yeah. Friday movies. Granddad on the boondocks. The Wayne's brothers. The Wayne's brothers. Like I just feel like Boomerang. Yeah. Like I just feel like he's made his mark. Jay-Z give it to me video. Yeah. Like those are classic shit. Y'all joking. That's classic shit to be a part of bro. Yeah. What you was reflecting on last night? Just life in general man. It's like... Oh shit having that pre-birthday mortality. Real talk. Mortality conversation with yourself. It wasn't even mortality. It was like I went to a bar. I did a show and I went to a bar and I sat at the bar by myself and I ordered a drink and I sat there and I just started thinking about like it was the first time I've had a moment to just kind of reflect. Right? In a while. Because we've just been going, going, going. I'm sitting there and I'm like what is the purpose of all this? Like what is the purpose of like working so hard and never having a time to just enjoy it? And I started thinking like is it worth being on the top if there's nobody there to share it with? And I think that so many people get caught up in like the conquering of things. Like maybe Jeff Bezos and Zuckerberg. I don't know if they feel that way but like they want to conquer and then you conquer the world and then you're alone. So it's really important to me of realizing that moment that like when I'm on top that I can share that with all the people that helped me get there. Well I think that's really fucking important. And share the journey as well. Like take time on the fucking journey to go hey man look what we're doing. This is pretty awesome. Isn't it cool what we've achieved? Like this is amazing. All right let's go to the next level. But it was just one of those moments where I was like I'm not gonna fucking waste the journey. I think what you're experiencing right now is a process and purpose, right? Because in life we always tend to forget the process. The process is the most fun part. Like that journey is the most fun part. When you go back and you sit around and you think about where you are you're not thinking about being on that stage you think about everything when you and Alex get on the plane when y'all first started the YouTube picture whatever the fuck it was you think about that journey like that's the thing that you're sitting around when you're on that boat in Australia you're like we started this fucking YouTube picture you start thinking about the process and then the purpose comes with knowing that your true purpose in life is service to others. That shit ain't about us. I've always said it. I like throwing more assists and I like scoring points. That is the joy. That is the joy because like when it's just you up there it's just you. It's fucking lonely dude. And it's sad. And who gonna tell people about you? You just a nigga on the top of the hill or a white guy on the top of the hill yelling and screaming about how great you are nobody can hear you. You're way up there and you're screaming like who the fuck is that? Look at that crazy motherfucker all up there by himself. You're way up there and you're going hey isn't this view great? Wait. Nobody there. Oh wow. But when you empower somebody over here and empower somebody over there and empower somebody over there and there and there you got all of these people just talking about you. Yeah. That's it. Yeah man. Just sharing those moments. It's very yeah. That's why I appreciate birthdays so much man. Why? I never used to be a big birthday person probably because I was raised at Jehovah Witness. So we never celebrated them to begin with. So they never seem like a big deal to me. Right. But I appreciate birthdays no more now because of death. You know what I'm saying? Because you're approaching it? No I'm not approaching it. I don't think I'm approaching it. We're all approaching that. We're all approaching it at some point. That's life. But I'm just saying like I want as many birthdays as I can possibly get. I think that you know we've put so much emphasis on youth and we don't even realize that you're really not young that long. Like you're young from like one literally you're really young for like 18 years. You know what my dad would always say? Youth, why is it wasted on the young? Yes. It's so fucking true right? Like once you get up here you're like man when I was 18 if I knew the shit did I know now. And you throw it away all the way and that's part of the journey it is what it is. But I think that's why well obviously we don't want to die but I think that's why we really try to stretch out these end of our lives because like once you finally start to figure a few things out you're like nah let me play in this for a little bit. You really start to enjoy life. Yeah. Like it's certain things that I'm not going to bypass anymore. Like if my people are having a milestone birthday or just a birthday period I want to be there to celebrate with them if I can physically be there I'm going to be there because I just think that that is part of the process that we tend not to enjoy. Like you shouldn't just blow pass your birthday. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like you should enjoy it. You should eat a fucking cupcake. Yeah. You should expect to get a blow job later. You know what I'm saying? I'm serious. You should expect somebody to take you to a nice dinner. I'm serious. Turn down the blow jobs. The birthday blow jobs. Why? Because I don't want to set a precedent that the blow job is a gift. It should be a regular thing. Ew. Do you know what I mean? Like that? But I feel like if we put it on a pedal stool then when it's not the birthday she's down there sucking like why would I be giving him a blow job on his not birthday? I never liked that Jerry my song birthday sex. Fuck that. I don't want sex on your birthday. How you going to give me the same shit on Thursday? Exactly. It's the thought that counts. Put some thought into it. God damn it. Bring some other girl for some sex. That's the gift. The gift that keeps on giving. Nah, I'm with you man. I'm with you. I just think everybody should enjoy life simply because death exists. That's something Ryan Holly been trying to tell me for the longest. He gave me this coin and this coin is like a mortality coin and it's like you're supposed to look at it and it's supposed to remind you and it says something on the coin like you don't have much time. Which sounds mad morbid. But it's true. That's true. Fuck. Think about how old are you? 41. 41? How fast 41 years has gone? Shit. Yeah. Does it not feel like... Yeah. And when you look at somebody like John Singleton was 77. So that means I got like 30 more years left. Which... Bro. It's less than the snap. Think about everybody listen right now. Everybody listen to this podcast right now. We've been doing this for five years. Yeah man. Right? Imagine someone's like you're going to spend five years in jail you'd be like holy shit how am I going to manage five years? Yeah man. It's a crazy thing. And usually I don't like birthdays because I don't like forced attention right? Like I've been fortunate enough in this life where if I want attention I can get it. You know and I think there is that like forced attention thing with a birthday. But I like this perspective that you bring now that's like make it a reflective time. Yes. Not necessarily like a celebration time as much as it is like where are we? What has happened? We're still here. We forget about the happy that's in birthday. Yeah. Happy to be here. Yeah. You're happy to still be here. Yeah. Grateful. Like I hate when people say oh such-and-such would have been 78 today. He's not even dead. He would not have been 78 because this is not possible because he's actually dead. So stop saying that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Say today would have been such-and-such as 78th birthday. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because that person like and I was with the Lila the Lila the Lila works here at I Heart we did Dr. I was a couple weeks ago and she said like one of her sons had killed himself. Yeah. And she was like he's forever 18. Right? And that's true. It's like a vampire, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like that's absolutely positively true. Like that's what it is. And guess what? If I think about and if I had died at 18 I'd have never got that really experienced life. Like I feel like I'm living right now. You know what I'm saying? Like I've got to do some things. I've got some experiences like can you imagine if you didn't get to if you didn't see past 20, 21? Yeah. Man, no. So I appreciate it. And I look forward to my 50s and I look forward to my 60s and I look forward to my 70s. Yeah. I'm not afraid of old age. Like some people get like they have a fear of it. I'm not. I actually am excited for it because I feel like there's this this completely different part of life. And it's one of the things I kind of really admire about Duvall because I feel like he's old as a young person. But like we're in the rat race now. We're going, going, going, trying to get to the top, trying to get to the top. And then I feel like your old age is unlearning all of that is unlearning all the grind. Right. It's learning how to just be like, hey man, you want to just like sit on a bench in a park and enjoy the day. That's the beauty. That's the beauty. Yo, I'd never growing up, growing up, my grandmother had a porch. Everybody had a porch. Yeah. And we never wanted to be on the porch. We'd sit there and be like, man, let's go do something. Let's go jump on the porch. Yeah. Now. That's all the fuck. We're on the porch. You know what I'm saying? We're sitting in the backyard doing nothing. Yeah. That is the beauty of life. Nothing. Nothing. That, yeah. And I think it might take time to get there because I'm like, you know, I can be an anxious guy and I want to like work and get shit done. So like, I'm not going to have to learn how to not do. Let me tell you, I like what you said about anxiousness, right? Because I thought about this other day when it comes to the anxiety. I think a lot of times we get anxious and our anxiety kicks in because we're so focused on where we want to be or where we think we should be. And we're simply not appreciating where the fuck we are. And that's why I said you got to enjoy the moment. Enjoy the moment of this day. Like be happy. Like I am Andrew Sholes. I am 36 years old. I'm making my own way. I don't live with my parents anymore. Yes. Like. I fucking did it, God. You did it. No, for real. You got to patch yourself on the back and just enjoy that moment. Like that'll keep you from being anxious. Like don't think about nothing else. Like don't worry about nothing else. You just got to stop and enjoy the fucking moment. I think that's what birthdays are, man. Stopping and enjoying the moment. Just a reflection. What did we do this year? What did we do this year? This year was great. This year was not bad. This is a fucking amazing year. This year is not fucking bad. Listen, I thought this year was great. Yeah. You know, we did fucking Joe Rogan. Yeah. You know, you broke a million subscribers on YouTube. Close. We're getting there. I thought you got a million already. Yeah. We're here. Yeah. Because if you ask me, this year is a dub for a number of reasons. You know what I'm saying? But if I had to grade the year in hip hop, I would give hip hop a fucking F. Really? And it has nothing to do with the content of the music or anything like that. It's just the fact that Nipsey's down here. Ah. F. Failing great. Failing fucking great. Yeah. Maybe next year I can see the lesson in it all. Right? I have yet to grasp the lesson in it all. Right. Because I don't like when people say, oh, you live and you die. That's true. But you shouldn't live and get murdered. You understand what I'm saying? Yes. If you die, you die. I don't know how John Wood's gonna die, but it seemed like it was some natural causes, old age, whatever. That's how it's all supposed to be. Let life take you. Let life take you, man. Let life take you. I would rather your choices take you. Meaning like if you ate a bunch of those choices to do it. Have somebody else take your life? Nah, bro. It's kind of hardwired into us to be grossed out by that, right? Or to be revolted by it, right? Like that's why it's just the idea of something else taking you. Yes. Right? Or even like even stealing, right? It's wrong because an outside source is taking it from you. If the wind knocks your ice cream cone out of your hands, we don't go, oh my God, it was stolen from you. Yeah, that happens. Anytime you take away your power choice, it's criminal. It's criminal. Absolutely. It's whether it's their life, whether it's their property, any of that kind of shit. Yeah. They're vagina. They're vagina. We recognize it. Yeah. And it's like, maybe that's the crux of our morality. Don't impose yourself on anybody else. Yes. Yes. Yes. And every law kind of breaks down from that. Hey, this is my property. Don't be on my property. Yes. Don't move into my shit. Know your boundaries, approach them on your boundaries, and it affects you. It takes your life or something like that. We're really, we're horrified by it. Yeah. I can accept, I can accept, damn, any type of death. Natural death. I can even, even car accidents make sense to me. As long as it's not drunk driving or anything like that. Yeah. No one hits you. Even with that, that makes sense. You know what I mean? Because it's still, somebody made a poor choice. Oh no, they are drunk driving themselves. Even, oh man, even with somebody, that's why, that's why driving drunk is so bad, because it's like, yo, you're not only being selfish, you're not giving a fuck about nobody else on the road, because you might get behind the wheel and kill somebody. Bro, driving drunk should be completely legal if nobody else was involved. Yeah. Like if everybody had their own highway and you want to drive on your own highway and then just crash your car and kill yourself, that's up to you, dog. If it was highway, it's only you on the highway. You good? Yes. If it was a kid going home, that's why we got to make it illegal. Absolutely, man. There's a, did you listen to the Kanye album? I've been, I did. And your thoughts on that? I, you know what? We should, let's do a mid-roll and come back and talk about that. Okay. I don't want to connect that with Deaf. I actually want to get away from this Deaf conversation because it's sad. It's making you sad. I guess, yeah, we can do the mid-roll. Why? 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All right. All listeners can get started with the Hems subject to doctor's approval. See website for full details and safety information. This would cause hundreds if you went to the doctor or a pharmacy somewhere else. Go to fourhems.com slash B.I. That's F-4-R-H-I-M-S dot com slash B.I. fourhems.com slash B.I. Kanye's album. You know what's so crazy? What's up? I had totally forgot about Kanye's album until you said something about it. Um, I like the album. Let me see. Do I like the album? Let me see. Let me see. Okay. I listed the album twice. I don't dislike the album. My biggest critique of Kanye West's album is that the production is great. Like most of his albums always are. The songs, the song structures are great. The worst part of Kanye West's album is absolutely Kanye West. Interesting. Kanye West sucks on every song. And it's not even, it's not even his, his lyrics. It's his voice. It's something about Kanye's voice on these records. What I would have done if I was Kanye West, and I'm not Kanye West, and I'm not a musician. I'm just telling you what I would have, how I would have maybe made this a better project. If certain songs he shouldn't be on, right? Like the song with the clips in Kenny G. Instead of Kanye singing the hook, bringing a real vocalist and just let malice and push a do-they-thing along with Kenny G. The song with Ty Dolla signs and Aunt Clemens. Kanye don't need to be on that record. Like, like, give that to somebody else. Like go get La Cray. You know what I mean? Go get, go get real rappers, other than La Cray, like, La Cray's a real rapper, but go get rappers that are, I guess, secular since now you're doing gospel music. Get secular rappers and let them rap about God. It's not like these rappers haven't done it. It's not like a Stiles P or Jadakiss haven't ever rapped about their spirituality. It's not like a fabulous can't rap about their spirituality. It's not like a Lupe Fiasco can't rap about their spirituality. Go get Common. Go get Chance. Chance. Where is Chance? Yes. Yes. This would have been a great album and been a part of the choir on this one. You know what I'm saying? No for real. These should have been a part of the choir. Let the choir do that thing and bring in other artists to tell his story. And I was wondering about this. I said maybe Kanye is at the point with his stories are so personal now that he can't have ghost writers. You understand what I'm saying? Because he's got other people trying to write his stories and tell his tales. And it's just something about it that's just not connecting. It's inauthentic. It don't feel authentic. Good project though. Like everybody saying the album is wack. I don't agree with that at all. I think that there's some great songs on there with great production, great hooks and everything. I just think the worst part of the album is Kanye West. Yeah. I thought it was trash. Really? Yeah. I was listening to it on a flight and I was skipping songs. Is it because you're an atheist? No. Because I'm not. I thought you were an atheist. No. And I'd listen to religious music. Like I'd listen to it. I don't know. If I'm skipping songs, there's got to be something that isn't there. There's only one song on the album I think is totally wack. Which one? Clothes on Sundays. That's the shit about Chick-fil-A. That shit has got by. Yeah. By the way, and I love the concept because I love the fact of being clothes on Sunday like Chick-fil-A, spending time with your family and all that shit like that. Great messaging. It's just a terrible record. Horrible. Gobbage. That's the only song Yeah. Everything else, the worst parts of the album are Kanye, bro. I think you like these records if you get rid of Kanye West. Maybe. I love Follow God. Follow God is track three. That shit is hard. Track three. It was either two or three that I really liked. Three slapping. But yeah. I was just skipping the songs. I just wasn't entertained. And here's the thing. I'm not a Kanye hater. Dude, Ultralight Beam is one of my favorite songs ever. Amazing record. And we were talking about this. Alex and I were talking about this. And I was going to just fucking tear up the entire time because that was such a beautiful song. But excuse me. I just didn't really like it, which is fine. It is what it is. You know how bad something gotta be to have God all over it and Jesus. And people say they don't like it. Son, you know how bad something's gotta be to be listening to it on a flight. And it's about God. And I'm skipping the songs. Lord have mercy. Yo, think about it. If you walking down the street and somebody hands you a Jesus pamphlet, you take that pamphlet, bro. Oh, yeah, you do. You take, you like, you know the $20 is just folded and then you open it up as for Jesus. And you want to be like, man, fuck you. All right. Put that shit right in your pocket. I had that shit for six years. Damn. On my fucking dresser. Wow. So that's the, that is the equivalent. Throwing one of those, throwing that pamphlet away and throwing that $20 bill away at the equivalent of y'all deleting Jesus out of your play. That's it. If you sent in your Jesus, if you got that shit on your screamer server, you sent it to the trash bin. That's the equivalent. I don't think it's bad, though. I didn't like Jesus. Can we, can we get into a convo, though, that's, that's more less about like the quality of the album because some people might like it and some people might not. But like, Kanye's been going on this press run where he continuously speaks about himself as the greatest creative of his generation or something like that. And he keeps calling himself a genius. Let's have that discussion because there's no doubt that he's amazing at music. I'm not taking music away from him. He's an artistic genius. Is he? Artistic. How so? Outside of music. He's 100%. Close sneakers. But you know my theory about the music thing. I think he just appropriates white shit and just makes it cool for black people. He's designed a dope ass sneaker, bro. I'm not going to front end. The sneaker is a replica of the Roshi Run. I don't know what the fuck that is. It was a Nike sneaker that he just ripped off for the Yeezys. And then he's just doing dad shoes. I love it. I'm 41. I got a corn on my goddamn. But they existed prior. On this white baby toe. But they existed prior. All the shit that he's done is existed prior. He just made it cool for, you know, a small section of the population. Musically I got to say, I got to say he's a genius. He's a genius. Musically he's a genius. Nobody's questioning that. Art, like music is art. I got to say he's just an artistic genius. He's not talking about anything else. He got to shut the fuck up. Hey, 100%, not saying that. But I think his greatest ability and asset is his influence. I think he's the ultimate influencer. Top three hip hop influence. Top three most influential rapper of all time. Or cultural influencers. Cultural influencers. Like he's getting people to wear certain clothes. He didn't invent the clothes, but he's getting people to wear them who would never wear them. Right? Like he's getting, he's getting young hip hop influence kids to wear dad shoes, to wear nirvana sweatshirts. He's got a custom feel, bro. Since when he was fashion comfy. We were wearing Air Force 1s and Timberlands for fucking 10 years, getting corns in my feet, bunions. And that's what I think people realize how fucked up a lot of that shit is. But it took somebody with mega influence to do it. Yeah. Right? Like there's no doubt that he's influential. So if influence makes you a genius in his mind, sure. He's top three. You're a genius. Top three most influential rappers of all time are Tupac Shakur, Jay-Z and Kanye West. I'm with it. Cool. Let's do it. Top three. Outside of hip hop, I think he's even influential. Right? In terms of clothing, 100%. The thing I've loved the most about Kanye over the years, he really did, he really did push away toxic masculinity in hip hop. Like he was the, he was the antithesis, what's the word? Antithesis. There you go. My list stops me from doing stuff like the executing words like that. But he was, like when 50 was like the guy, the street guy, the rapper, you know, the gangster. He was like what you consider toxic masculinity, right? Kanye came in vulnerable. Yeah. I love my mom. I'm not afraid to cry. I'm emotional. Like he bought that sacred masculinity, divine masculinity to the game when toxic masculinity was running rampant and he bred a whole generation of rappers because of that, the drinks, the Kendricks, the Coles, the Wale, the Chance the Rappers, they're all lying if they say they weren't fruit, all Kanye was his trick. Absolutely. So he had immense influence in that regard as well. Yeah. Right? So here's what I would say he's incredibly influential, but I don't think he's as influential as Kim. Kim who? Kardashian. I think Kim Kardashian is more influential than Kanye because Kanye can get you to wear certain clothing. Kim Kardashian has gotten women around the world to change their face and body. Nah. She has literally changed the shape and facial structure of women. Women are getting fillers, lip injections and all these things to have. If you go around L.A., you go to clubs in L.A., you will see Kim Kardashian ten times in the same club. They all look like Kylie now. Regardless. Kylie is fruit off of... Kim's tree. Kim's tree, right? The reason I can't say she's more influential is because there's nothing more powerful than music, bro. Music moves. But music isn't making you change the shape. What is a bigger investment? Putting a shirt on your body or changing the shape of your body forever. It will never be the same again after you make that change. I can throw out a pair of Yeezys. I can't throw out a pair of lips. Yeah, but Kanye influences you. He influences your mind in a different way. I know kids that said they went to college because of Kanye. I know people who Kanye just helped get through the... He helped them get through life, bro. And music is way more powerful than whatever Kim doing. And I'm not saying Kim's not influential. She is. Very. But man, bro. I just don't know. You just got Kanye Kim. Say it again. Music got Kanye Kim. 100%. But Kim got Kanye to do lipo. You got a point. Man. Man. You got a point. I'm saying Kim got her dad to be her mom. Yes. Ain't no wrong with being a little gay. Everybody's a little gay. What? Give me the boy, Taylor. Yo, you lost your bro in privileges, yo. Yo, you lost your bro in privileges. Out of here dropping tank singles. Exactly. We got a review in tanks. You know what else is interesting about the Kanye thing? Do you see what I'm saying though? No. No. No. You see what I'm saying? No. I feel you. What she has done, I don't think we consider influence because it's not influence. No, no, no. I do. You've spoken about this a lot. Yeah, I do. But it's an influence in a different way. But we literally have people changing the shape of their body forever. That is insane to me. I mean, I think bigger than that. Kim has changed just the culture of celebrity. Everybody's following the car. Go on that. We're following the Kardashian model of celebrity. Which is? Which is being famous for nothing. Like your biggest commodity is you. Like for whatever reason, you know how a sign for had a show about nothing? Like the Kardashians have had a reality show about nothing. Like their whole existence has been about nothing. It started with a sex tape. And then for whatever reason, since that sex tape, we could not keep our eyes off this girl. Then she introduced her family. And we can't keep that up. We're all invested in and we don't know why. With that said, that's why I don't get mad at Kanye West. When people say Kanye West is using religion to sell workers, or he's using God to sell records, or using God to sell merch because it's a very slippery slope when you're an artist, right. Yeah. When you're an artist, when you're a public figure, your greatest commodity is you. So whatever is going on in your life, you're going to talk about it. Whatever's going on in your life, you're going to talk about in your stand-up. is our life. So if Kanye's, you know, going through this thing where he's in the God right now, that's going to be reflected in his music. So you can't really be mad at him. You can't be mad at him because he named the album Jesus is King. You can't be mad at him because he's putting Jesus on merchandise. That's where he's at in his life right now. Your greatest commodity when you're an artist is you. You're a public figure. So you're always selling you. So if that's who Kanye West is right now, that's what he's selling. Can't really be mad at that. That's actually the Kardashian model. We're the ones that keep buying into this shit. The car. Yeah, it's interesting. We used to think that you needed to have a skill to be famous. No, Kardashians change that. Paris to a certain extent. Was Paris the first? Is are the Kardashians? Paris was the first. Oh, yeah, I've told this story before and I know I've told this story. Or Marilyn Monroe. Was she that? Paris was definitely Kim's blueprint. And I know for, I know this for a fact, because I told you all before, when I used to work for Wendy Williams, yeah, Kim and Courtney, sometimes Kim and Chloe would fly in New York and they would literally just come hang out in Wendy's office when she worked at WBLS. They was cool with Wendy's assistant at the time, talent booker, Nicole Spinch, Luther Nicole. That's the homie. And they just used to be there wanting to get an interview. Yeah. And Kim used to be in there talking about how she was gonna Paris Hilton the game. She used to be in there saying that she used to be in there talking about all these. So what is it about Paris Hilton? What is it about Kim? Like what did they, what did we learn from that? That we don't care about skill, we care about lifestyle? Not just lifestyle. You said it earlier. What? Paris was on the hill by herself. Oh, go again. Paris was on the hill by herself. She was at the top alone. There was nobody else doing that at the time. Reality show stars. It might have been like Nicole Richie might have been a reality show star at the time. Yeah. Like there was no big, who was the big reality stars back then? I mean, correct me if I'm wrong. I could be totally wrong. Yeah. I don't remember anybody being famous for just being famous before Paris Hilton. She was up there by herself. Kim took that same route and bought her family with her. But why did we, like, I understand that, but why were we looking at Paris and why were we, like, I get, I assume we looked at Paris because her, her skill, if you will, what it's not really a skill, but what she brought to the table was lifestyle. We're like, this is a cool look into a lifestyle most people will never get to live. Being rich, being a debutante. I don't know why we like Paris. That's my assumption. The same thing goes for the Kardashians. No, I can give reasons why we like him. Kim was fine. Yo, but Paris was fine, bro. Paris to a subset of people. No. Very fine. I know you don't think so, but you have to understand. You thought she was fine, bro. I thought she was okay, but like. Even when you heard about the herpes. Say again. When you heard about the herpes. She had herpes. Allegedly. Well, now I do. Now you found a more. You bug catch for you. Jesus Christ. Okay. Before herpes, what would you rank Paris Hilton? Before you knew she had herpes. We're just looking at it back in the day. What would you rank Paris Hilton? It's not my ideal girl. Okay. That being said, that model-y look is obviously very popular to people because that's what models look like. Most models don't look like him. You know, she did also change like body size appreciation. And she came in through the hood, came in through hip-hop, bro. She was on in front of King Magazine, Smooth Magazine, all that shit like that. It was the who's this girl, Ray J. Bang. And like Kim came in through that urban, I hate that word, that urban scene. Yeah. You know what I mean? Why you hate that word? It's actually, that word is so outdated and it's like so played out. Because we're afraid to say black. We're afraid to say black now, but now you got white people moving into urban areas. God forbid. Brooklyn, all the gentrified places in Brooklyn, those are urban areas. Like you can go on these websites now and you're like, find a new chic, a condo in an urban area. Urban means something different. But aren't I urban because I grew up in the city? She's sending me pictures of, of, so I am urban, Paris. But she was famous before the sex hate. She, her fucking daddy is a billionaire, a granddaddy or something. Al is going to say something. What? So Paris lifted the curtain of the New York party scene. LA party scene. None Paris Hilton, I thought. I thought Hilton lifted New York. I thought Paris was in LA. Ah, so Paris lifted the LA party scene. So prior to that, the LA party scene was like we're in the hills, we're isolated. It's a secret thing. This is how rich people hang out, but nobody can see it. And then all of a sudden she exposed that. And the only like view that we had of that lifestyle prior was like those pictures in People magazine, blah, blah, blah, walking out of this club and all of a sudden we're fucking in it. So we are, this is the same reason why people love the royals. You know how like in Europe, like people are obsessed with the royal family? We don't really get it as much here because we have like celebs, but the royals have never done anything, right? They're no different than Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian. They don't have a skill, right? They just kind of exist. They come from something. Even Kim came from something. That's Robert Kardashian's daughter, Robert represented OJ. Boom. It's a backstory there. Chloe might be OJ's daughter. You know what I'm saying? Like it's a backstory. Yeah, it's exciting. It's a backstory there. Nicole and Chris were cool. Like their family split apart because Robert was representing OJ and Kristen felt like they did. Like it was, it's a backstory there. And once you realize that, once you realize this girl getting back shots from Ray J had a backstory, you're like, Oh, shit. Perfect recipe. Absolutely. And Paris couldn't keep up. Paris didn't have the back story. She didn't have it. It's like what her granddaddy or whatever owns the Hilton Hotel. Billionaire, boring. So what? We don't give a fuck. Like, Chris, Kim had a backstory. And when she got on the hill, she bought her people with her. So even if, even if our attention... Paris is DC, Kim is Marvel. Because even if our attention, imagine if we'd have got tied. Instead of Joker, we need Jenner. Exactly. But imagine we probably would have got tied to Kim if Kim was by herself. You understand what I'm saying? So she changed it up enough to keep things going. Boom. She bought her family along. You're like, now you got to pay attention to all of these different people. You got to pay attention to Kourtney and Chloe and Chloe's dating basketball players. And Kourtney got this crazy ass husband named Scott and the father-in-law, Bruce is Olympic champion, but now he wants to be a woman. And it gets just a lot there. Like, it doesn't stop. There's all these different story lines over and over and over and over and over. Now you got a whole new generation. You got Chris and you got Kylie. Now you got the Mises and the Nephews. But they all involve the same thing, right? They all involve access into a lifestyle most people don't get to see. So that's what it is. If you don't have a skill, just have a lifestyle. Like, I think there's probably, you know, like, I wonder if there's people, you know, these like rappers that have like all the face tattoos and shit and we don't really know them. They're like on SoundCloud and that kind of stuff. But you're kind of fascinated with them because you're like, what the fuck do you do all day? You got face tattoos. You're not like you have a regular job. You're rapping. So hopefully you're not like, like, what is going on? You're curious. It's a lifestyle. It's like a white person watching Good Times. It's like a white person watching The Wire. That's what I would watch it for. The Sopranos? I never watched. Absolutely. Because I got it. It was too close. Absolutely. I've seen that. Absolutely. But The Wire was like, how do I get invested in this thing? Absolutely. Absolutely. But if somebody's from the hood or from the street, you may not appreciate The Wire the same. Because it's too familiar. It's too fucking familiar. And you call out the fake shit. You're like, oh, that could never happen. Absolutely. The same way people do power now. I watch power and I'm like, get the fuck out of here, yo. I'm like, yo, these motherfuckers talk on the phone about crime way too much to be getting motherfucking trailed by the fence. By the way, I hate power. Go, go, go. I love it so much. I love it, but I hate it so much. Power is the only show where I absolutely politically root for the white person all the time. Yeah, you were saying this. I root for Tommy so fucking much. I hate the St. Patrick's. Why? Because they are just so stupid. Like ghosts will call Tommy and be like, yo, Tommy, you fucking killed him? You murdered him at the club? At such and such time, PM? I'm like, what happened to fetch tapping phones? Like, for real? Like the shit makes no sense. Tommy drove around in this blue muscle car forever. Yeah, yeah. And nobody ever saw the car. This big bright blue muscle car at the scene at every crime. And nobody ever paid it no fucking attention, bro. Like, yo, the other day they busted the warehouse, right? They busted the fucking warehouse, right? So they arresting Tommy's henchmen. Yeah. It's broad daylight. Tommy's like behind the gate, behind the tires, looking at them. And the police don't see him, but his henchmen see him. And the henchmen are talking loud and shit, like, that motherfucker, that motherfucker got to set us up and sitting there watching it. We won't get that motherfucker. And all you hear the police say, yeah, yeah, yeah, come on. I'm like, power, come on, man. At least be a little real. Just try to be a little realistic, bro. That makes sense to me. No. White privilege. What is entertaining? If you're white, I'm not going to lie. If I committed a crime and then I walked away and the police came and arrested whoever's there, I'd stand and watch. Yeah, you just hide behind some things. If they look over. You're hiding in plain sight. You just go, get them, officer. And then they believe you. Get them. Arrest them. Arrest these bad guys. What are they doing in this warehouse with all these drugs? They're ruining the neighborhood. Listen. They're bringing down the neighborhood, these guys. Was it, wait, does Tommy have white guys working for him? No. So he employs black people. You got to support Tommy, man. He's supporting black business. He's hiring black. He is the Tyler Perry of power. He is. Dude, Tyler Perry has two white names. Tyler and Perry. If that isn't the whitest, it's Tommy Perry. Listen. Dude, for the longest I thought Ghost was the white guy. I thought that was like their name for him. I'm so sick of Ghost. I can't. I've never watched the show. I want Ghost to die. I actually want all the same Patrick to die. Every single one of them. Tasha, Tommy, Tariq. By the way, it's a great show. But you know why it's a great show? It's a great show. But you have to approach it. Because you're affected by it, dude. That's how you know it's good. But you got to approach it as a show. Say it again. It's just a show. It's entertainment. You got to tell yourself this. I got to tell myself that. Exactly. Because I'm mad at stuff. You texted 50. You texted 50. Like, yo, what the fuck? No, I just sitting there looking at like, yo, this shit is so unreal. The phone shit killed you. Like, and they do the most obvious shit. Oh, Tommy. Tommy found out that somebody's going to snitch on him. Then the person gets all the... He just mysteriously ends up dead. Then the police come and they're like, I know you killed this person, right? If the police wanted to get Tommy, all they had to do was say, hey, this person's about to set you up. This person's going to snitch on you. Oh, word. And then just stay at the person's house. Tommy's coming. Like, he's fucking coming. I really can't wait to see how this shit ends. I'm being honest with you. I cannot wait to see how power wraps all of this shit to fuck up, yo. What do you think the key is, and there are a few shows that have done this, what do you think the key is to engaging the Black TV viewer? Because every once in a while, one of these or a couple of these shows pop up, and they get Black Twitter talking, they get Black people talking, and it becomes this thing that's like ubiquitous with Black culture, almost to the point where you could just go the next day and go, yo, power was crazy last night, and you know that the Black person you're talking to has watched the show. That's actually racist, though. What is? Like, if you walked to a Black person and be like, yo, you watched Power? Yo, but if they do that with Empire. But if they did it? If they do that with Empire all the time. No, no, white people do it. Branded white people are like, yo, what do you think about Cookie? Like, what? Fuck is you talking about cookies? Yeah, but you gotta understand, no white people watch it, so they're so excited to talk to someone about it. I think that's the opposite. I think mad white people watch it for the same reasons we said. Voiristic. Yeah, they didn't know that word. I think Empire exists like that. I think power is still- Power, yeah, power is not- Operating in a Black vacuum. Power is not as big and broad. Yeah, yeah. But that's because Empire was on Fox. Of course. So what do you think the key is, right? Because we saw it happen with Insecure, right? It still happens with Insecure. I know why it happens with Insecure. Insecure is an easy call. Insecure happens because it's a show starring Black women. So Black women get back and support it? Black women love it. You know what I'm saying? It has a lot of storylines that Black women can relate to. It just pulls on the hardscreens of Black women. It's a show for Black women by Black women. That's all. That's it. That's an easy call. Okay, fine. Power, I don't know. Power was an interesting one because when Power first started, it didn't have any like, it was an A-list talent on Power. Amariah Harwick is not an A-list talent and Natalia Harden is not an A-list talent. Tommy Joseph McCord definitely was an A-list talent. Like I didn't like La La is not an A-list. Like, you know what I'm saying? As far as the acting world is concerned, they're not A-list talents. Right. 50, maybe it was the Allure of 50 and 50 having a TV show. That's a big deal to me. You know, especially somebody that produces TV and you know, you know how hard it is to get something on the air? Like, for him to present a concept and actually get it on TV, that was the initial draw for me. Yeah. And it was good. I mean, I don't... Al said... Oh, Euphoria is amazing. I didn't watch Euphoria for Drake though. I had no idea that Drake had anything to do with you. Yeah, but I don't know if Euphoria is targeting a Black audience. I don't think it is. It's not. What were you going to say, Al? I'm down. Everybody's getting away. So... You're saying that's why Black people watch it? No, I'm not. That's your heartache, bro. How can you be dressed like Kilmaga and say some shit like that? You're supposed to be the wokeness, bro. You're in a bar and dumb it down and then add drama to it. I don't think power's dumbed down though. What? I haven't seen... Wait, I don't think power's dumbed down. You just said how all that stuff is stupid. I mean, it's... I mean, that shit is stupid, but I don't think it's a dumbed down show. Like, what's a dumbed down show to me? What show is just like dumbed down? I don't know. I'm really a snob when it comes to television shows, man. I think the same thing that hooks Black people is the same thing that hooks everybody. There's certain shows that hook everybody. Game of Thrones hooked everybody. It did. And those shows became ubiquitous. Black, white, everybody was watching it. Breaking Bad. I think everybody watched Breaking Bad. Walking Dead. Walking Dead was... It was there, but not there. It seemed like everybody I knew was watching Walking Dead. Black and white. Fair, but this power and everyone saw a lot of these shows pop off where it's like so targeted and specific. And I'm just curious as to what the mechanism is that makes that happen. Because if you could identify that mechanism, Charlotte is a guy who likes to produce television. That'd be a valuable asset. I think the thing is, man, you just got to tell stories that haven't been told to the point we was making earlier. Only because I know I'm the type of person I do like to go into other worlds. So maybe that's it with Power. Maybe it's the world. Maybe the world is something... Because we've seen all type of street shows before, right? Power is a different kind of street show. Like Top Boy is... The first time I saw Top Boy, I wasn't blown away by Top Boy, but I enjoy Top Boy because I never saw that world. I haven't seen the new iteration of it. You should watch the new one. I heard it's great. This guy, Kano, he's a rapper. He plays Sully. I know Kano, Krypton Kano. Yeah, and the guy who plays opposite him, I can't believe I'm forgetting his name. Forget his name, but they are brilliant, man. I'm talking about... I couldn't believe this guy started as a rapper. That's how good he was at acting. I'm talking about like emotional scenes, not, yo, I'm gonna be a gangster. Like if you're a gangster rapper and someone says, yo, can you be gangster in that scene? It's like, yeah, you've been pretending to be gangster on fucking camera for your career. Like, of course. This guy's doing emotionally traumatic scenes and murdering it. Killing it. Dude, the season is great. And I started the old one and I didn't like it that much, but this last season... was really fucking good. I didn't dislike the old one. I actually enjoyed it, but it was because of the world. You understand what I'm saying? There wasn't enough guns for me in the old one. But it's the London. That's the thing. It's like, we're not gonna... I love it. Yeah, but like, I'm not gonna watch a gangster show where it's like, can we share the gun? But that's the dope part of it. Like, I actually enjoyed that because think about it. One person with a gun in London, run shit. Yeah, in the land of the blind, the man with one-eyes king. Word up! Yeah, yeah, yeah. That one kept his little two-two. You running everything you've got. I just enjoyed it and it was quick. It was only four episodes of season. How many episodes on this one? This one was eight out, eight or 10? It was eight episodes. That's what I'm gonna do this weekend. I'm home this weekend. Yo, just download it. I'm home binge-watched Top Boy. Yo. I'm home. I haven't been home in the past few weekends. I am absolutely binge-watching Top Boy this weekend. Get it in, dude. It's really good. The acting is good there. And Jamaica for part of it. They're like mixing different worlds. Drake's the EP of that. And Drake, yeah. Drake's the EP of that. He's the EP of Euphoria, too. Yeah, Drake is making money, man. Drake is attaching himself to some good shit, bro. I'm not gonna lie to you. I love Euphoria, by the way. I haven't watched Euphoria, but I kind of have... I kind of have an issue with Euphoria. Why? And it's classic Schultz issue, meaning I'm gonna have an issue with it without ever watching it, but... You would enjoy it, bro. I'm sure. Okay, I might enjoy it. So Game of Thrones comes out, right? And the crux of Game of Thrones, really, is like everything that we're morally detested by is gonna be in the move, is gonna be in the show, right? Murder, incest, rape, pedophilia, like all the worst things is Game of Thrones, right? We're gonna fuck each other, you know, kids, brothers and sisters hanging together. So HBO is like, okay, we know what people like. We can't just give them the exact same thing in the Game of Thrones world. How can we give them that shit that is like porn titles but in a digestible show? So now there's this high school show where you're essentially watching high school kids hook up, right? Now if that was porn, you'd go to prison for it. But because it's happening in a TV show, you're not going to prison. But you're watching high school kids hook up. Yeah, but it's not just that. Think about how we look at this generation. But isn't there something to that? Aren't I onto it a little bit? If you watch the 15-year-old and 16-year-old have sex on a video, you're going to prison for child porn. But if you watch them do it on HBO, it's art. Well, it's good. There's got to be something weird about that, right? It's like a safe way for us to watch teens bang. I get what you're saying. But it's the world, though. I got to see it. Think about how we look at these kids and we're like, what the fuck are they doing? Like you got Transgenders on the show. Right. You got the guy who's battling his sexuality. You don't know whether he's like men or women. Right. You can see how he treats women because of it. And then his father's a fucking pedophile. His father's a pedophile and he's gay. You know what I'm saying? So he feeds those junk boys and girls. So you see how that is passed on to the generation because his son is confused about his sexuality and shit. And his son is abusive towards his girlfriend because he's, oh, man, this shit is good, bro. I'm not going to front you for it. Zendaya's character is a drug addict. And she's in and out of rehab and how that affects her family. Euphoria's good, man. I'm not going to front. You see what I'm saying? Like, look at all the things you described. It's just like, let's just take the worst things that happen to people, make them happen to teenagers so the drama's even higher. And then we got a show. It's HBO. But I mean, actually, I think a lot of that shit is really happening, though. It is. We know it is. It does happen. It's fucked up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The shit is really, I mean, I don't like, I would be high school would absolutely scare me. Like they got the one episode with a girl. She gave head for the first time a fuck for the first time and the guys taped it. Bro. The first time she ever popped that pussy for a goon. She's a porn star? Oh, no, she started selling sex later on in the show. You, I mean, and she's fat. People don't realize that. No, she is. Because it's the added element to it is that she's a fat woman with confidence. That's what I, that's what I get from it. Like, it's the fact that she was fat and she felt insecure about herself. But then when she started giving up that poom poom. She felt good. Yeah. And then now she masturbating with guys on camera and they're all into her and it's boosting her confidence and her self-esteem up. The show is good, bro. I'm not gonna lie. Where does it take place? I don't know where to fuck you for it in LA. Is it? I don't know. I, dude, there, people don't realize how quick these kids grow up, man. Like, I remember when I was in middle school and these kids are way more advanced than us. When I was in middle school, there was a girl. This is so sad. She would give head to guys during lunch. Multiple guys. There was a little park. And they would go to this park that was by the school and then she would just blow guys during lunch. Where is she? Probably in the park. No, what I mean by that is you don't ever think about where those women are. Yes, dude. You're like, what the fuck? Like, where are they now? Like, what happens to that whole life? When you live a life like that, when you just out here wild at such a young age, where are they? I think about, matter of fact, I know some people like it was this one dude who used to bring 40 ounces of liquor to school every day. 40 ounces of beer in middle school. It was like seventh, eighth grade. So like from seventh, eighth grade, he would all be bringing 40 ounces. We all get drunk, yada, yada, yada. It's like, he's dead now. He died in prison. So it was just like, at that, he was doing that type of BS at an early age. Clearly it never stopped. And it led to him dying in a prison cell. How old are your daughters? 11, four and one. Okay. So you had an 11-year-old daughter. She's in middle school, going into high school in a couple of years. You're watching euphoria. Are you freaking the fuck out? Anxiety attacks through the fucking roof. You gotta go home school. Through the fucking roof. And my daughter goes to school with a majority of white kids too. They do all this shit. They do all that bullshit. Let me tell you, my private school friends were way crazier than us. Maybe we smoke a little weed. Well, I didn't smoke weed, but my friends smoke a little weed, you know, hang out, drink, you know, 40 on a stoop or some shit. My private school friends, they're doing fucking coke. The girls were going crazy. Their parents were never fucking home. They just have these big apartments in New York City all by themselves. It was an issue. All end up in rehabs and shit. You gotta be, because it's not about your daughter. It's about the people that are around. I will say this. That is true. I will say, I think about like my wife, right? Me and my wife have been together since high school. When I think about the freedom my wife's parents gave her, it's unfucking believable. Like, like, like, like she, I mean, since she was like 16 years old, she was driving like she would do whatever the fuck she wanted to do. Yeah. Like she could literally just be like, I'm staying at a friend's house tonight. Yeah. And nobody would check. And real talk, that shouldn't have worked out. No. Because you should be in jail. Why? Well, I used to do drugs and sell drugs. I don't get it. Well, people who sell drugs go to jail. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're the anomaly. I didn't go to jail, though. Oh, that's right. But do you know what I'm saying? Like, it's not like, like one way to look back at this story is like, well, she had all this freedom and then she ended up meeting this great guy and they have this beautiful family. You were the anomaly, bro. I know I was what you just said when you said hanging around the wrong people. When I was, when we was young, her father used to hate her being around me. Reasonable. Because he knew where she was probably hanging out at, which is in the trap. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? He knew I was probably riding around with drugs and guns, which I was. You know what I'm saying? Like he absolutely was right. Everything that we're saying right now is 100% true. It just worked out for us. But I'm saying all that to say when it comes to my wife, I think about that with my daughters. How strict is too strict? Because she got the freedom she wanted. So by the time she was in college, none of that shit was like foreign to her. It's not like she didn't get to do what the fuck she wanted to do. So she was able to focus and graduate and get her degree. And you know, she's a great woman. So it's a gamble. It's like you give them the freedom early on and they know what to do with it later. But the freedom early on is when they're easily manipulatable. And what, Taylor? Okay. They're easily manipulatable and then somebody can get in their heads. You know, I got tons of freedom as a kid. It worked splendidly for me. I never even really did drugs to this day. I don't really. I mean, I drank maybe a little bit. But like, Why do you think that is? Did you see people fucked up? As a kid, I really didn't want to let my parents down. I don't know why I had that feeling. I don't know why it was inside me. That's not supposed to be. Yeah. But you know how some people hate their parents, right? There are some people that will date a guy specifically to piss their fucking dad off. Paige. Paige. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Perfect. Yes. So Paige did. Paige dated a black guy in school. Yes, she did. She took a black guy to the prom. Just pissed her daddy off. Boom. This happens all the time. So I don't know where we were. Why were we talking about this? Did you say you got a lot of freedom? But no, but I wanted to like, I wanted to make my parents proud. And when I didn't make them proud, I was fucking embarrassed. Like I remember once I was, I had like a sweater on in school and I had some scissors and I cut the sweater and I felt this immense guilt. I went home like told my mom, Hey, I cut the sweater that you gave me. I don't know why the fuck that was in me. But if you could figure out what the fuck that is and how to get that in your kid, you don't have to worry about your kid fucking up. Yeah. Oh, I am. Grip in the right neighborhood. Yeah. I'm gonna hit you in your music. With a fucking bullet. I'm not gonna hit you in your music. Hold on. Hold on. You gotta get your intro right. Get your intro right. Get your intro right. Hey. Stay property. Stay property. Hey. Hey. Hey. Y'all keep doing this. Hey. Hey. Hey. All right. So when I was growing up, I'm like you though. I was scared to get like do something bad for it. Like my parents would be disappointed with me. Yeah. But I think with my parents, they kind of like by accident, like will put it in my head. Like now I worked hard for you. Like don't fuck it up. Ah, they guilted you into it. Not in a weird way though. Like I know I was very aware of how like my dad lived, especially seeing how his siblings were and stuff like that and how he was able to like bring us to a better life and stuff like that. So I didn't want to like disappoint him in that way. You felt the responsibility to not. Yeah. As all kids should feel. I didn't feel that at all. Really? I didn't. I didn't feel that way at all. I don't know what the fuck it was. Like maybe I saw how hard they worked. And then maybe it was the hard work or maybe it was like, you know what I used to like as a kid? This was weird. I used to like the reviews I would get when I would like stay at a friend's house. Like my parents would be like, Derek's mom and dad said you were just so well behaved and so polite and that kind of thing. And it made me happy to think that my parents raised me well. Yeah. I never got. I don't know why. I never got any of that because like my father was in and out of rehab and stuff like that. So like that reinforcement, those affirmations you should get from your father. You didn't get and then I think about my mom, my mom was busy raising my two younger brothers and sisters and trying to just keep my head on straight and dealing with my dad's bullshit. So she never had the opportunity to give me those kind of affirmations either. So all my affirmations came from this. So that's it. So you got a fucking, I guess you have to. I like that laugh from the class. Yeah. I like that laugh from the class. I like when the class is laughing at you. I like when the class is happy to see you. I like when, you know, you pull up in that. You got a little loom in a caravan and people are happy to see you because they need a ride to the fucking store. Like I like that. That's the affirmation I was getting. But I do agree with you. You have to compliment your kids. Like all your, all your kids affirmations have to come from you. That's what I really, truly feel. Yes. Because if they don't come from you, they're going to come from someone else. And the last thing you want is some guy being the one that validates your daughter and not you. 100%. 100%. Especially with a girl. 100%. And I, but I see it. I mean, this little thing that I even noticed like my daughter's 11, my other daughter's four, both of them constantly asked for my validation. And I didn't realize this until recently, which is so weird. Because I'm always giving them affirmations and, you know, telling them, I always say, I see God in you. That's why I say to my daughters, I see God in you, right? But if I don't say something, they ask. Addie, do you like this? Addie, what do you think it is? Do you like this? Do you like this? So they want that. Yes. So I'm a constantly always give it to them. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Like they never going to have to seek that from anybody else. Thank God, yeah. And you got, and you got to put that. That's how you, that's how I think you put yourself a steam in a person. You know what I'm saying? Hmm. I got that thing. That's how you keep a person secure. Hmm. You know? By constantly affirming them? Absolutely. Constantly giving them positive affirmations. I don't know if I agree. I don't know if I agree with that entirely. Tell me why. I think that if you only give positive affirmation, they don't trust that it's real. Well, you got to know how to give the negative. Like, I don't know. I'm not going to call it negative affirmation because you don't want to give somebody a negative affirmation. But you got to know how to tell your child about the negative. Like, I told you about the time when, you know, my daughter was running track. Yeah. And you were like, that was track. I was like, yo, that was track. Like, she did the long jump. She had never done the long jump before. And she did it. And I'm like, yo, that was hard. But she just burst into tears. Yeah. And that shit, oh my God, that shit broke my heart. You know what I mean? So my wife was telling me, like, you, you can't talk to her like that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? She's not one of your little friends. You know what I'm saying? You got to approach her and you got to tell her what it is she did wrong. You know what I'm saying? And so it's just like when I had that different conversation with her, like, look, you're better than this. I see you run faster around the house. Like you can dust everybody out here. You just have to really focus and just do it. Just run your race. Like stop worrying about what everybody's doing in other lanes. Stop worrying about people looking at you just go. Bust an ass ever since. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Bust an ass ever since because I gave her that confidence. You know what I'm saying? And even when she doesn't, when she, when she loses, I'm like, yo, you did your best. That's what I asked. I don't want you, I don't care if you win. I just want you to do your best. And that's what she's been going out there and doing ever since. Yeah. And it's worked. But there has to be times where you are critical. If it's truthful. I just feel like you can lose the value of the validation. Like I think there's a reason why we crave our father's validation more so than our mother's. Because mother's always telling you everything's great. Yes. Mother is the pastor. Mother is the pastor that when you die, they get you into heaven. Even if you fucking watch child porn and kill 20 people. Yep. Nah, dude. It is true. It's not true. Your mom didn't do that shit for you? You can't look at him. I didn't want nothing to breathe on him. Because he wasn't in motherfuckers. He just called me. I'm like, what the fuck, man? But do you know what I'm saying? Like there's I don't worry about the impregnates do because of my mom. She was the more scarier one. No, no, that's fair. That's fair about scary. But what I guess what I'm trying to say is like, you know, you hear all these stories about girls who ended up being like strippers or hookers or these types of things, right? And none of them have a dad. They have this whole relationship with their dad. This kind of shit. Like, I don't know any guy who's like a Chip and Dale stancer because his mom wasn't around. Right? Like, right though, isn't there something to that? There's something to that. So it's like, I just feel like we know we come out of our mothers, right? Like we literally come out of their bodies. They can't not love us. I have, my mom literally just told me, bro, maybe last month, maybe too much ago. My mom said to me, you are not that little boy still trying to impress your father anymore. Because I know for a fact, all I've ever wanted was my daddy's respect. All I've ever wanted him to tell me was I was doing a good job. All I wanted was affirmations from my pops. Bro. And when I was young, I did not get that. When I was young, he would compare me to my other cousins who played football. Because I was getting in trouble. I was always class clown fighting and shit. I was in that school. I know he's getting to play football. He used to be like, you don't want to play football. Like your cousin, Mal, this person, that person. And he used to always compare me to people. And that shit did nothing but fucking ruin myself. Destroy you. Yes. I'm not going to ever be good enough for this motherfucker. Yeah. And throughout my whole life, I've always wanted it. And I remember, she literally told me, she was like, you are not the same little boy that has the need, feels the need to impress his father. And you don't realize how much that shit fucks you till you get older. Till you get older. I mean, therapy, crying my ass off. What does he love me? No, no, I actually said, I actually said, the one time I, one time, as my therapist says, a breakthrough, the one time I cried in therapy, I was crying because I was like, yo, my dad ain't never taught me shit. All he ever fucking did was discipline me. Because I didn't know the shit he didn't teach me. You motherfucker. This is your fault. And now I'm getting punished for it. Like straight up, I'm getting punished for this shit. Why can't you throw baseball? Because you never play catch. You didn't teach me, motherfucker. You can't admit. You fuck. They gonna beat me up because I said Michael Bivis was cute. It's your fucking fault. I'm eight years old. I'm in a room with my goddamn sister and my two women cousins. Watching BBD fucking poison video. And my sister's like, oh, Ronnie's the cute one. My other cousin's like, oh no, Ricky's the cute one. Now I'm just like, I just want to be down. Michael's the cute one. Daddy! Nah, I just said somebody cute. What? Who's cute? Get outside and go play with the goddamn boy. Well, if you would have been a fucking father, I would have been here with all these goddamn curls to begin with. Letting the TV babysit me. The fuck is wrong with you? That'd be really fun if he took you outside. He was like, all right, he is the cute one, but don't ever say that again. Yo, by the way, yo, I'ma say something else. I'm not blaming any, I don't blame, I don't blame my toxic masculinity on anybody else. I will take full accountability for all my toxic masculinity. But my daddy has fucked me up. I remember when we had a menage toile, right? This is when I was like, I was going like real straight, meaning like my girl had just broke up with me and we were broken up for the whole year. And I said to myself, in order to get my girl back, I got to be a better human being. I started doing youth ministry at the mosque. Like I was Muslim now. Like I was that person, right? Me and my dude, DJ Frosty. Frosty getting married in a couple of weeks. I'm going to be in his wedding, but Frosty, I hope your wife knows this story. But we have Frosty's house, two girls there, we getting drunk, we having a good time, whatever, whatever. And I wasn't even drinking then. They forced me to drink, right? They're like, oh, you got to drink, you got to drink. I'm like, I don't want to drink. Like, no, he's playing uno. So he playing uno. And every time you lose a hand in uno, you got to take a shot. We taking a shot. So I'm drunk. I'm laying on the couch. I'm in a fetal position, crying my eyes out. Because I'm like, oh my God, a lot is going to punish me. I'm in here drinking, whatever, whatever. Frosty's in the room. He's getting it in with the two girls. Frosty comes out. Frosty's like, yo, yo, he wants you to come in. I'm like, no, I'm leaving. I'm trying to leave. No, you can't go, man. I'm leaving. This girl goes, Charmin, bring your ass in here. I don't want to hear none of that God body shit. Right? Long story short, Minajitwa. Only Minajitwa I've ever had in my life. I am so down and so discreet and think a lot is going to punish me so much that I start talking. At the time, I didn't know I dealt with anxiety. So I'm having a panic attack for like three, four days straight. And I'm talking crazy. Like, I'm going to kill myself. This and that, yada, yada, yada. Frosty didn't call my pops, call my mom, whatever. Told my wife. Pops drives up an hour and a half from Monks Corner to Columbia. Comes to my apartment. He's like, what the fuck is the problem? I'm like, yo, man, I'm not with my wife. Nah, she's not my wife. But I'm not with her right now. And I'm trying to do right. And I'm going to the doing youth ministry at the mosque. And me and Zafi Frosty house and started drinking. And then had sex. And when I tell my dad goes, well, there was no guy, right? And I'm like, no, it wasn't with a fucking guy, right? And then he goes, so you two girls, you got drunk in that sex with two girls. I say, yes. And he goes, where the fuck is the liquor in the goddamn girls at? Because now I'm stressed out because of this bullshit you done put me through. I had a drunk hour and a half here. And you fucking wildin' over some pussy and some liquor. Now, was he right? Absolutely. Did it bring me back down to center? Did my anxiety immediately go away? 100%. Was that the right thing to probably tell your son in that moment? No, not if he's trying to do the right thing. If he's trying to do the right thing, it's a way to have that conversation and say, look, we all make mistakes. Which he eventually did get around to doing. But in that moment, he planted those seeds in me because he always used to make me feel like being with one girl was the wrong thing to do. Interesting. I remember when I confronted him about cheating on my mom. And he looked me dead in my eyes and said to me, yo, you only got one girl? You only got one girlfriend? One day you gonna understand. So in my mind, I'm like, yo, so it's wrong to be with one girl? Yeah. Like, oh, I've been on. I really have been on my Black men don't cheat shit for a long time. I've never been the type of person that needs to be with a bunch of different women. But my father made me feel. That's the first time you've complimented Taylor. That's the first time she's done something right. I'm sorry to treat you the way my dad treated me. But it's the truth. Like, he always made me feel like the things I was doing that were right were wrong. Right, right, right. That shit fucked me up, bro, for a long time. Yeah. No, that was that. That's a really interesting thing you said before. It's like, he used to reprimand you for the shit that he never taught you for doing the shit that he never taught you not to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It is. I remember one time I ran a stop sign, right? I was following him. Yeah, he ran the stop sign first. Bro, that shit right there pisses me off to this day. I'm following him. He runs the stop sign. So I do what he do. He pulls on the side of the road. He gets out the car, walks to the car, taps on the one I rode the other night, and he smacks the shit out of me and tells me to wake the fuck up. Yeah, yeah, so that's entrapment. Bruh. And by the way, your dad sets you up, bro. And he slaps you just goes, don't trust nobody. And you know what, yo. Yo, the wild part about that shit is I didn't realize till like when I started going to therapy, 39 years old, 39 to now, I'm in therapy, unpacking shit, crying about shit that he did to me. He don't, and it's so weird because I thought I loved my pops. And I do love my pops. Well, boy, if therapy hasn't made me hate that motherfucker. And he don't even get it. He don't even know why sometimes. He'll call my phone and I'll answer. He texts me, I don't text back. Because I've just got out there thinking about some bullshit you did to me when I was a motherfucking kid. You know what I mean? But I love him though because he did instill a lot of good things in me. Oh, dude. But the negative outweigh the good, I think in a lot of ways. Oh man, you know what? I'm not going to say that. I just, I'm going to do like this. You wouldn't be here without it. Exactly. You didn't have a validation matrix, right? You had nobody, there was kind of affirming what you were doing, right? So you had to go get that somewhere else. You go get that from your friends at school. You get that from the boys on a block, right? But you had to develop skills to get that from the friends at schools and boys on a block because they're way harder to impress than your family member or your mom who's just going to love whatever you do. So you learn how to be funny. You learn how to be charismatic. You learn how to be charming. You learn how to drop hot tastes. You learn how to speak. Which my dad is. That's my pop. All of that is my pops. Everybody know Larry McCut. They know Cowboy. That is Cowboy. He's funny, hot takes. Like I was literally just talking to my cousin Rell over the weekend because Rell is my dad's cousin. They like around the same age. Funniest motherfucking you ever meet in your life. Just too old, down south, maggot loving. They going to let the maggot fly. Like that's them. Like I was just talking to them. I was talking to Rell about. So man, remember that time when Jack Trippard died? Boy, he's talking about cancel culture. Jack Trippard died. The conversation was between my dad and my cousin Rell. I'm glad that maggot did. Live with them women for two all that time. It ain't fucking nothing. Like that was the conversation between those two. So that's the kind of shit I grew up in. Grew up around. Don't question me why I was fucked up. You hear me make inappropriate comments to women and interviews. Like that's what I came from. I was a fucking from a fucked up toxic environment. Full of men. The toxic masculinity y'all talk about. Y'all know what it is. You ain't ever been around it like I was. If you're raised by wolves, you're going to know how to howl. You're going to know how to fucking howl. That's it. But eventually, you know, it's not an excuse anymore. How about you got to learn it? But you learn where it comes from. No, you said the illest shit earlier. You get to a certain age where you start unlearning shit. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I spend more time now unlearning than I did fucking learning because all of that shit that I learned did not serve me anymore. Yes. It got me to a certain point, but it can't help me get to where I really, really want to go. And I'm not even just talking about on a professional level because my fuckers, they love to pull up old clips of Shalom talking about sucking farts out of girls butts and saying inappropriate, creepy, but that had to happen. Like that had to happen. Like that part of my life had to happen because that's what I knew, right? But as you start going to therapy and you start practicing mindfulness and you just start embracing your sacred masculinity and divine masculinity more than the toxic masculinity, that shit don't serve you no more. You know what I'm saying? And that's just something that you have to live and learn and then unlearn to really learn again. Yeah. Like it is what it is. 100%. I mean, there's bad habits you have to unlearn. It just happens in sports. Hey, it takes you too long to get this pass off. Change your form a little. Simple as that. These are things that you do. It's just fascinating to me that we all have this ingrains need for validation from our father. From our parents, we're definitely our fathers. But specifically, I went out to dinner with my parents for my birthday the other night, right? My mom texted me after. So good to spend time with you. You should be so proud of yourself and what you've accomplished. I remember you saying it takes 10 years to learn the craft of comedy. And well, you've worked so hard and you're a success. And on the eve of your 36th birthday, enjoy my darling son. Love you so much, mom and dad. And then she writes, he is so proud of the man you are. And me too. Nothing before that line mattered. Nothing. Once she said that line. You didn't care about your mom saying it? Nothing before. Like, my mom said the sweetest shit the second. She said, my dad is so proud of the man I have become. That was it, bro. I almost started crying, dude. You know why? Because your father was your original male superhero. He was the original man that you looked up to. So when those were, when the man you looked up to said, I am proud of the man you've become. Even now, reading it, bro. He's acknowledging that you're a man. Yep. And he's proud of you, bro. Yeah, and there's like, you know, my dad's losing his memory. So like, to get there before that goes, I could almost cry now. But like, it's valuable to me. Yeah. When your dad, when you grew up, when you grew up with your dad, you know, constantly saying you're pussy, but in so many words. Right, right. Making you feel like a pussy. Calling you a maggot. Like, actually, you're having a goddamn panic attack and you're acting like you're fucking other men. That's the work. That's the only thing that can cause this. It's good old homosexuality. Right, right. Like, when shit like that happens, when that man finally acknowledges that you're a fucking man, bro. Lord have mercy. I love the validation from my mom. No, my mom, the two illness things my mom has told me over the past probably decade that have really helped me, even as much as therapy or anything else. When number one, she told me that she said, she said, just be happy to be making a living. Because when I first started doing the breakfast club and, you know, now she's just blown away by the numbers that I make. But back then, she was like, that's more than anybody in our family has ever made. She's like, just be happy, but just be happy to be making a living. And I was like, that was always my mindset. My mindset was always just, hey, I'm making a living. I'm happy making a living. But when she told me a few weeks ago about, yo, you're not the little boy that's here to impress your dad anymore. Those two pieces of advice freed me. Now you're on front, they freed me. She said, just be happy to be making a living. She said, I'm proud of you. I just felt free. And then when she said she bought my pops, I felt free. And I think that's what we all want. We just want to feel free, right? Like we just all want to be liberated. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, she set an expectation for happiness for you. She's like, you should be happy you're making a living. And like, if that expectation is there and everything else is gravy, man, fuck you're living in gravy. Yeah, man. If she said, be happy when you're the number one show, then you'd be miserable until you're the number one show. Yeah, man. But that's the thing moms do, like moms are the backbone. Does that make sense? Like moms are like, it's like if you don't have it, you can't walk. I think moms, I think I like what Fantasia said, and I've heard this before, but I think moms are the neck. And daddy's are the head. The neck. The neck, yeah, the head can't do nothing without the neck. Right, right, exactly, right. So it's like the backbone of the neck, like it's that thing that allows you to walk, it allows you to move, right? It is the confidence that is like always going to be there. And you know if you fuck up there, someone who will embrace you and help you get back on your feet, et cetera. And then your father is like the guiding light. It's the thing where it's like, I'm going to go achieve that great thing because I know I'm going to get that validation from him. I know my mom's going to be happy, but he might really step it up and do that. It's like daddy's make you believe. Maybe they make you aspire. I don't know. My mom inspired me too, man. It's just. They give you a sense of security. I don't know, maybe pops give you maybe, maybe cause our job is to protect and provide. Like maybe we add a sense of security. I know a lot of times people hear that word security and they think financial, but nah, sometimes security is just knowing. Oh, physical. That somebody got your back. You know what I mean? Like somebody's going to be there for you. Like I was talking to somebody this weekend. I was drunk. That I was, I was super drunk. That Angela rise birthday party. And he was having a conversation about that. And I hate having those conversations when I'm drunk cause I'm about to cry. I will cry. Yeah. All right. But they were talking to me about how they was on the playground and they saw a mom selling the son or the daughter. Come on, come down, slide down, slide down. She's like, no, no, no, no, no. And then the dad got like, come on, you got it. He's like, you know what I'm saying? It's just something about dad putting that battery in your back that's different than mom. Cause mom could you expect it from mom? Well, you've been dropped by your mom, not your dad. Or maybe it's just, you know what I'm saying? Mom's arms got all tired. She dropped you by accident. Dad just carries you no matter what. Maybe we just take one for granted. Maybe that's just a constant thing in our life. Maybe from day one we just take one for granted. Your mom's going to tell you could do anything. You know? And maybe that baby knew that. You know, where the dad is going to come in and be like, nah, there's some repercussions for shit. I'm telling you the truth. Yeah. And you need that balance. Yeah, you know that when your dad says good job, it really was a good job. Cause he wouldn't say it if it wasn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dad ain't got time for that nurturing shit. That's mom's job. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to tell you something. We have to combine the two though. That's why they're both there. That's why the greatest advantage in life, they say statistically. Two parent household. That the outside of race, it literally, it removes all racial, gender, educational background. It like removes all of them. Yeah. From a success, from the success standpoint. Two parent household is the key to success, man. I think you got to have balance in both. I want to read this real quick because I was, I've been studying about this lately, bro. 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I'm not going to read this whole thing. I want you all to do your own research. But you can Google what is the divine feminine, feminine, what is the divine masculine. But it says, Our greatest potential as humans is met in the incorporation and balance of our internal divine masculine and feminine energies. Equally inherent to both men and women are behaviors, thought patterns, and tendencies dictate the balance of the complementing energies, right? So you've got all these different qualities. Masculine qualities are this. Logic, reason, action, firmness, survival, loyal, adventurous, rational, and strength. Feminine qualities are intuition, nurturing, healing, gentle, expressive, wise, patient, emotional, flexible. Would you agree with those different traits for men and women? Sure. So what happens when you have the divine masculine and it represents the spiritual, psychological, and archetypal ideal of masculine energy? Like that's when you combine all of those different traits. That's when you become the best version of yourself. When you can combine the divine masculine with the divine feminine. And I think that's what we need to be because I think a lot of times as men, we dismiss things. We say, oh, that's what girls do. Oh, that's some bitch shit. Oh, you pussy. Oh, anything that is almost like anything that got to do with being a woman is negative. But no, you need those qualities. Like you need to be gentle. You know what I'm saying? You need that intuition. You need to be nurturing. You want to experience that healing. We're expressive. Whether we know it or not, we got a lot of divine feminine qualities. You're a comedian show. 100%. You're expressive. You're wise. Sensitive. Emotional. Emotional and sensitive for sure. We have to be sensitive to the world around us so that we can react to it. Yes. So I'm just, I'm not. That, yo, that's the biggest bullshit. Talk to me. Anybody in our business, anybody, I don't care who the fuck they are. Anybody in our business who goes, I'm unaffected or I don't care is nonsense. Bullshit. You cannot talk every single day for a living about the world if you're unaffected or don't care. Clearly these things. They're talking because you care. Thank you. Yes. Because the things I don't care about, I'm not going to talk about. Why would you? We've been sitting here talking for an hour and 26 minutes about things that we care about. That's why we're able to talk about it. Every week. Now, it might be some shit you might throw in this desk that I'd be like, I'm not, I don't kill five lives, but I won't talk about it. Exactly. Simple as that. Taylor got a bunch of topics here. Every week, Taylor puts in hours of work getting topics done, and we take that paper and we crumble it up and we throw it in the garbage. I don't give a fuck about Halloween facts. For whatever reason, you have people who don't celebrate Halloween, Jehovah Witness, or for Dr. Jewel Reservant Muslims. I don't give a shit about Bed Bath and Beyond removing Black Jack-o'-lanterns because of the complaint to resemble Blackface. I don't care that George P. Wait, wait, wait. I care about that one. Hold on. That's a Jack-o'-lantern for you? Hold on, son. Hold on, son. Dude. Oh my God. Dude, Black Jack-o'-lanterns. Are you kidding? Black-o'-lanterns. Dude, Black-o'-lanterns. Black-o'-lanterns are scared of shit out of a racist neighborhood. Or excited. Hard-sighted. What's that hanging from a tree? Flavor Flavie Foss is another child at 60, noop. We talked about Kanye, man. Yeah, don't give a fuck. Who's going to lose their career over their Halloween costume this week? Any predictions? Anybody that does deserves to. And the reason I say anybody that does deserves to. So promoted, right? It's like, you've got to know. You've got to know what's around the corner. Like you can't play Clueless anymore. You can't act like you didn't know. There's nothing you can do that will justify you wearing Blackface this year. I'm trying to think what would be the most offensive shit that's not Blackface. Let me think. You can't pretend to be a victim of police brutality. I've seen no stupid ass costumes. You have? Yeah, yeah, I've seen people. When Trayvon died that year, yes, it was bad. Everybody, it was stupid. Yeah, what has been super offensive this year? If I wanted to offend people this year, I would go get me a nice little blue suit, a scarf. I would put a noose around my neck. I'd get a bottle of bleach. I'd go get Kaz and another Nigerian. And I would walk around and act like I just got attacked by those two Nigerians. Should I see some of them? And I'd get two Nigerians and MAGA hats. Get Kaz the way the MAGA hat. I think that could piss some people off. That is a gray costume. That's a good one. The only problem is, you guys got to stay together the whole night. The whole night. If you even go to the bathroom by yourself. Out of context, that shit is bad, bro. All of you. All of you is bad. You got a noose on your neck? You got a MAGA hat on? You got a MAGA hat? Yeah, out of context, that shit is all bad, bro. What else could be offensive this year? What is a good offensive costume? What's your got, Al? It's like an F-Steam or an R-Gallery. Ooh, F-Steam would be offensive. Dude, F-Steam choking himself to death? No, yeah. Right, because he committed suicide with quotes. F-Steam choking himself to death. I don't know. I can't think of nothing that's offensive. You don't know what's offensive until you see it. Yeah, we should know an offensive costume, I'm trying to think. I can't think of nothing that would absolutely offend me, but I'm not the person that's easily offended either though. So you can't ask me. I don't know. Nothing with Trump? Yeah, I don't... If you're still letting Trump offend you, bro, like you shouldn't be offended at Trump. You should actually just be outraged, meaning like you should be outraged that our democracy has come to this. Like it's not nothing... We're past offensive. Being offensive is... Being offended at what Trump says in tweets means nothing anymore. You should absolutely be outraged about the legislation he's passing that really can fuck up America. Forget the words. Like I'm not offended by anything Trump says anymore. Like even when everybody was tripping this week, because he talked about the bad guy dying like a dog. Yo, that shit was so funny, dude. I don't see what the... That shit was so... No, no, when they juxtapose it with Obama. Obama was like a calculated attack. Went in, they executed their strategy and eliminated the target. And then it just cuts at Trump and he goes, he died like a dog. By the way, I hate when people say that because... They busted down the door and he died like a dog. How do dogs die? Don't they say all dogs go to heaven? I'm serious. So technically you're saying that he died and went to heaven? Like how do dogs die? Even he died like a dog. I don't understand the logic. I'm not sure, but I thought it was hilarious and... I don't understand why we give a fuck. I wish everybody just agreed with Trump's politics or like Trump's politics were agreeable with everybody so that we could appreciate how fucking funny this guy's content is. It would be... Doug, the Halloween thing, when he puts the candy on top of the Minion's head, there is a video where there are kids at the White House. One of them is in a full balloon Minion costume, right? And the kid walks up to Melania and Trump. And Trump looks at this kid in a Minion costume. And puts the candy on top of his head. And puts... He's got a bag for the candy. And Trump just lays on top of his head like a yarmulke. And he just keeps walking. Listen, this shit is hilarious. You think that guy's ever given trick-or-treating? He might never have trick-or-treated, bro. He did some trick-or-treating. He did some trick-or-treating. Oh, goddamn, F.D. and Island. He definitely did some trick-ing. But motherfucking, the thing about Trump is, it would be hilarious if our world wasn't so fucked up. If what he was doing wasn't actually absolutely detrimental to our society and us as a people, and just the world in general, it would be hilarious. I just didn't understand. Like, I think that they... That's just still hilarious. I'm sorry, bro. I could compartmentalize, dude. I was dying laughing at that shit. We have Beto on the show, and... Oh, God. I was asking Beto. Why? I don't know. I was asking Beto. I like Beto, though. But when you're around him, can you feel the fraudulence oozing through his fucking skin? It was one point in the interview. I was like, are you fucking pandering, bro? Yes. Because it was like... It was like, yeah. Tell me about it. You know it rages me a white people panda, right? Because I'm the opposite of that white guy, right? I'm like... I'm gonna say the shit that might piss you off as a non-white person hearing it from a white guy if you first meet me. So when I hear the white people panda, it drives me fucking crazy. It was only because he was talking about, like, not knowing about certain things. Like, he didn't know, you know, he didn't know if slavery was this bad. And all of a sudden, it's like, you know... And listen, he's probably right. A lot of... You know, he's a younger guy. A lot of people really don't know. So I'm not gonna hold that against this. They don't know slavery was bad? What'd they think it was like? He said the brutality of... Working at Target? He said the brutality of it. Like, he said he went to some museum and he saw all that African-Americans that got killed and this and that, whatever, whatever. And then... You never read Uncle Tom's cabin in school? Probably didn't. And so Envy tried to move. And I go, wait a minute, bro. Are you pandering right now? Because all of this thing about reparations, which was a new thing. Like, you just started talking about this, right? And he explained, like, yo, I just learned about a lot of this stuff. Maybe he's telling the truth. Maybe he's not. I don't know. Whatever. I don't know. What did you ask him? Did you ask him why he calls himself Beto and not Albert, which is his real fucking name? Albert is his real name? Yeah, he's not Mexican. I don't know. He calls himself Beto. Beto is short for Albert. It's the Mexican version of it. I had no idea. He's Captain Panda. He uses a Mexican name because he lives... He always refers to himself as a white guy, though. Right, but he's going by Beto because he wants to get the Latino vote where he is. He lives in Texas. I started the interview off by saying, I'm like, bro, you know, you started off red hot. Now you're just like, eh. And what do you say to that? He took a breath. He takes a lot of deep breaths. He was shaking. You know, he's shaking. I mean, probably got a little anxiety, whatever. You know, it's just like, that shit gotta fuck with you. He was shaking? A little bit. A little bit. Who? Oh, man, Pete. No, I had to fuck with him about man, Pete. What, what, what? Because it was just simple mathematics. Which is? Beto gave us like 46 minutes. Man, Pete's been there twice, giving us over an hour. Like, come on. And what did you say? I said that to him. I was like, yeah, you off in a rush. I just want you to know, man, Pete, you know, gave us way more time than you did. All right? It's cool, though. It was a cool interview. I mean, I don't know why anybody would run for president, bro. At this point, if you know, like, you're not even standing a chance of winning. Like, everybody holds on to this whole Obama theory of being in single digits and then, like, getting high in 2020. And it happened. No. Yo, but let's go, let's have this conversation because I think this is important. How fucking easy is it to be a politician? Like, it just dawned on me. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Used to be. Wait for it. It just dawned on me how easy it is to be in politics. Like, Mayor Pete is a full-time mayor, right? Beto is a full-time congressman or whatever the fuck he is where he is. Well, he is. Now he is. Is it congressman? Yes. Is it congressman? Okay. Still sitting, right? Um, De Blasio is a full-time mayor of one of the biggest cities in the world. Full-time is debatable. Right? Well, no, no. This is what I'm trying to say. All these people are supposedly politicians, yet have time to run presidential campaigns at the exact same time. So what that tells me is being a politician, being the mayor of New York or being the mayor of fucking wherever it is in Indiana, is not a full-time job. That makes a lot of sense, buddy. None of these politicians are doing fucking Czech shit. Now, I will say this. I love the congressman. How could you possibly represent your state or your city and have a full-time presidential campaign? There are not enough hours in a day unless your original job is doing exactly fucking nothing, which is what we've criticized politicians for doing this entire time. It's not a real job. Elizabeth Warren, you don't have a real fucking job. Any of these people running, you don't have a real fucking job. You do Czech shit. That's why nothing gets done because you don't do shit. And when you run for president, all of a sudden you have another, what, another 40 hours? Extra just pops up in a week. That's a great point. They don't do shit. That's a great point. And they throw a lot of things against the wall to see what sticks. I told Beto today, I said, bro, you don't seem like you have a clear-cut campaign strategy. It's just like your campaign strategy is all over the place. I said, what is your messaging? I'm like, what, what, what? When I think about Beto, other than the word fuck. Did he say that? What did he think about? When did he say it? When he was thinking about his campaign? Yeah, that's his thing. He's known as the guy who says fuck. Well, if I had his numbers, he said fucking regards to the gun issue. The gun issue. The shooting. But he was saying that before that, though. He used to curse before that. He cursed at a reporter. He cursed at a reporter. I saw that. He talked about that. I saw that. Stop trying to be Edgy Beto. I don't dislike Beto. I just think that it's a place for everybody. And I think Beto's place should be in the Senate. Huh? I said I don't dislike Beto. I just think everybody it's a place for everybody. And I think right now, Beto would be better served in the Senate. He lost? He ran against Ted Cruz. He ran against Ted Cruz. But he can focus on running again. Right. You know what I'm saying? I think he's better served in that capacity. I think man Pete right now is better served in that capacity. Is being in Congress? Yes. Well, that's the other thing I'm realizing, right? These guys are running for president. And when you run for president, you're actually campaigning for whatever other position you want. Because you become so famous when you run for president that you're actually campaigning for your gubernatorial race, your Congress race, etc. So they're not. I think man Pete knows he's not going to be president. It's a star, bro. Yeah, but he's like, you know what I could be? I could be governor of Indiana. You know what I could be? Congressman, blah, blah, blah. They're all playing. And that's the thing that's such bullshit is they know they're not going to win. They're telling you that they're trying to win, which is a lie, because they're going for another political position. Yeah. It's a bunch of fucking liars. Listen, well, except Bernie. He's the only one. Who is who is who is the one who you don't think he's telling the truth? I truly believe he's telling the truth. Bernie's telling the truth. That's my problem with Bernie. Why? Because he's telling the fucking truth and he does not have a clear black agenda. I'm voting my interest in 2000. And what if he was just like, you know what? I don't have a black agenda. I got an American agenda and I care about poor people. And you know what? There's some black poor people. They're going to benefit and the rich black people ain't going to benefit. I would love that. Listen, I have no problem with a rising tide lifting all boats if somebody would actually fix the hole that's in black people's boat. But our boat doesn't rise when that fucking tide rises. Like history has shown that. Like even when Bernie talks and Bernie says he wants to help poor and disenfranchised workers, it's going to be poor white workers that get to benefits of those things first. Well, I think they're going to be poor black workers just to get it now because you don't have the systemic oppression in place that like it limited those benefits from blacks in the past. You got to fix that. Nobody's. First of all, America did fix it. Like America has to acknowledge that. They have to apologize for and they have to do something to right that wrong that happens. Sure. But legislatively, there's no law out there that is oppressive to black people. There's no law that's written. Hey, this is against black people. You had you had gerrymandering. You had the both sides do that. And that's a political thing, right? Yeah, but that should affect us more. The 88 crack laws definitely affected black people more. 94 crime bill definitely affected. I understand. I understand. Those things affect certain communities more. Like for example, when the drug acid has the same like catching somebody who's on the on the drug acid and they have the same you know, prison sentences as crack, right? That greatly affects acid users which are 99 percent white people, right? But the law is against acid, not against white people that are hippies. But that's a good point. You see what I'm saying? You brought up drugs. Look at opioid epidemic. Now they talking about rehabilitation. Right. Back then you had Joe Biden on the Senate floor saying, I don't care about the environment that created these predators and are causing them to do these things, lock them up. Right. 88 crack laws. You get more time for fucking crack cocaine than you do powdered cocaine. Right. Why? Because in the hood, people were selling crack to get ahead. Right. Like that's systemic shit that they did to fucking keep their foot on. And the same thing they did with meth, right? It's like meth has elevated levels of you know, incarceration compared to ADHD drugs like Adderall when it's the exact same thing. So it's like the poor people, the poor whites that are doing meth instead of just snorting HD, was it Adderall, like the rich whites, get way more jail time just like the rich whites that do cocaine get way less jail time than the poor blacks that do crack. Right. So clearly all these things also have The rich whites that do what? The rich whites do coke are getting way less jail time than the poor blacks that do crack. Right. So like race plays a role in absolutely everything. Nobody's denying the racial role, but there's also an economic role. Right. But the race part kept the economic part from ever happening for black people. 100%. And I think what happened is there were way more strict laws that were in place that were directly affecting black people. Right. Absolutely. Racist ass laws. And as far as I'm concerned, we've removed the racist laws themselves. There's still laws that affect black people disproportionately to white people. What were the exact racist laws? Hey, black people, you're not going to get bank loans. Hey, black people, do you want to build wealth like we build wealth in this country? In this country? Yes. Well, too bad. We're not going to give you, we're not going to give you lunch. I encourage everybody to read a book called Order to Kill by William Pepper and it tells you why they really killed Martin Luther King Jr. You said segregation. That's the first thing you said. You didn't give a fuck about civil rights and civil liberties. They don't want them poor people coming up. That's it. They give you that. Why you think they gave Bernie a heart attack? Something they just brought back to Popeye's sandwich. They're trying to kill him. They're really trying to kill Bernie, son. They know when you're on that campaign trail and you got a lot of black surrogates around you, you're going to get hungry and the Popeye is very convenient. It's open on Sundays. Chick-fil-A not going to get you on the Lord's Day, but Popeye will. If you fuck around and you do that viral video with the squad, if you want to bite into that Popeye chicken sandwich, Bernie, that'll be it for you. That's all I'm saying is I truly think that if we address poverty now, it will... Not this rising tide lifts all boats thing is a guarantee, of course. But I think that we can agree that now the hole is smaller because there are less of these racist laws that are meant to hold black people down. Matter of fact, there are no laws that are specifically meant to hold black people down. I don't know if that's true or not, so I can't say it. I think the last law that was... They're not blatantly... That's what I'm saying. They're not blatantly overt racist. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, but they're still there. I think the last overtly prejudice rule law was no gay marriage and I think we got rid of that. So I think if you really look at just the law, not how it affects you, just the law, I think that we don't have any more laws that are prejudice. I mean, it's still things that affect people as far as like getting jobs, as far as getting bank loans, as far as getting loans for houses. But there's no law that says it, right? Laws, they're just not overt. Like they're not overtly racist, but they do disproportionately affect certain communities. Yes, I'm not denying that. I'm not denying that. I guess what I'm saying is so if you address poverty now, it will be at bare minimum better than it was in the past because addressing poverty in the past only helped the people that were poor but were part of the inside crew. Whereas now the inside crew is bigger because we've removed a lot of these overtly racist laws. Is that fair? Yes. And I think that we... Well, what do you think the hole in the boat is? Like if you were talking about... The hole in the boat is years and years of shit that had never been fixed or repaired, Chris. No, no, no. But I'm saying like... This damage has been done that's never been repaired. But like specifically, like if you were working with him, we were like... Jim Crow segregation, slavery, mass incarceration. No, he's saying like... I'm saying like... What do we do not question it? That's a fix to the hole. What do you want to put in the hole? To be honest with you, I think some form... Not some form... Yeah, some form of reparations is absolutely the start. Like that's the only way. Like you have to make amends for the sins that America has created against Black people. And listen, the reparations ain't checks and ain't here to check, here to check. It's something... I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's free college. I don't know if it's no taxes. I don't know what the fuck it is. It's something that has to be done specifically by America, American government to this community of Black people, to those African descendants of slaves whose families were affected by slavery, Jim Crow segregation, mass incarceration, whatever the fuck it is. And I've heard different variations. Killer Mike talks about making the marijuana industry. But he said as a form of... See, that's a whole other argument. He said as a form of drug war reparations. Not even slavery and segregation. He said marijuana should just be for drug war reparations. The war on drugs that negatively impacted Black people. But that's why I like the conversations that are happening now when people are actually talking about the fact that things were systemically done to keep their foot on Black people's necks. Not like Black people didn't want to come up. I don't think anybody denies that, that understands history. I think they're... Just a keyword. Understands history. Yeah, and that's the keyword. Don't get me wrong. I mean, I've said on this podcast, I think the best argument for reparations is not the fact that there was slavery. It's the fact that there were all these laws put in place so these people couldn't lift themselves up after slavery. Absolutely. Goddamn losing. And I think that... Because if you want to look at slavery, you're going to have to give reparations to every single group of people on this planet because we've all been slaves at one point in time or another. Right? But when you don't let people rise, you create a problem. So you have to rectify that problem. Sure. How we do that... We don't know exactly yet. I think that we're getting close. Like I think... Like Killer Mike has a practical solution. That's one of the first things I've said. I mean, that was the idea with the casinos with Native Americans, right? It was like, hey, okay, they got land. What are they going to do with the land? Land means nothing if you're not doing something. Why don't we give them literally a mint? We'll give them a printing press of money. Casino. There you go. See what you do with it. Are we going to get Blackbill casinos? Is marijuana the new tobacco? You know, a million-dollar industry? Like, or bill... Sorry, billion-dollar industry? I mean, it definitely will be, but I like Killer Mike's idea for that. Make that drug war reparations. You know what I'm saying? Sure. But as far as... And that's what the whole HR 40 thing is, right? Rest in peace to John Connie. He actually died this week or last week. This week. But HR 40 is the study... Wait a minute. John Connors or Elijah... Both of them died. Yeah. Really? Yeah, yeah. John died right after Elijah. Oh my God. HR 40 is the study of reparations, right? And people say, oh, what do you mean the study? We know what happened. No, it's actually the study of how much is... How much damage was actually done. Why do you need a bill to do that? Why can't you just study it? That's how fucking lazy these politicians are. You see how these fucking politicians refuse to do any work? They don't do want to do shit. Hey, should we do some work? No, no, let's try to find some way where we don't have to do it. Hey, should we do a bill to see if we should do some work? How about you go to fucking work and do some work, you lazy pieces of fucking human garbage? Oh my God. Human pieces of shit. Listen. Not a hard-working bone in any of their bodies. Why do you think Bernie's having a heart attack? Because he's actually working. He's the only one working. Bernie's having a heart attack because he's 97 years old and he is out there stressing himself out and I don't know what to fuck for. That man, he must really be a patriot. He wants it, bro. He wants it. There ain't no way in hell. If I were Bernie, I'd be sitting around with my feet kicked up, minding my goddamn business, helping where I can. And nice little Vermont watching reruns of fucking. Well, that's what they used to come on in Vermont. There's a Vermont show? Yes. Well, that was the show that was set in Vermont. Well, then murder, she wrote. I don't know. I have no idea. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because I had a good joke but I fucked it up. Honestly, I don't think a show is six feet under. But that was New Hampshire. Nah, I wasn't. I don't think a show has ever been in Vermont. Nah, it was, man. It's a popular show. Vermont. Oh, yeah, you're right. New heart, man. You're right. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, Mark. New heart? You're from a new heart. Stop making Bernie jokes. Oh, we might have to do that at a live show. Just tighten it up a little bit. That's when the shot goes in. He's like, oh, shit, he hit that? Holy shit. Real talk. That motherfucker wants to help, bro. I literally disagree with almost every one of his economic policies but he wants to help. So I'm like, okay, I trust him. Nah, listen, when I say Bernie, when I talk to people, and I've said this over the past couple of weeks, the reason I say Bernie does seem like the best bet because he truly does seem like he wants to help. I'll say it, bro. He does, he does, he does. And I feel that way about Senator Harris, too. I think Senator Harris truly wants to help. You know what I'm saying? She lost me when she was like, take away Trump's Twitter because I can never be on the side of censorship. And if you're willing to censor anybody, then what stops you from censoring me? What stops you from shutting down my YouTube? What stops you from shutting down the radio show because you don't like something they say? I mean, see, I know people will hate it. I can't do that. People will hate it and be like, that's a terrible issue tonight, but you're a comedian. That shit means everything to you. That's everything. I'm saying, yes. That's my voting, right? I got to vote on my issues. I understand why that one issue would keep you from voting for 100%. Listen, before we get out of here, I do want to say something. You know, we talked about validation and like affirmation, like, you know, from your parents and stuff like that. It does. You do get that from your peers too, bro. Not even peers, forget the peers. The legends, right? I was online and I was like, I was reading this article by Arsenio Hall because y'all know I worship Arsenio Hall. Like I've always talked about my love for Arsenio Hall. Can you give a little background to why Arsenio was such a legend for these young people listening that might not be as familiar as us? For me growing up, you know, Arsenio... This is when Fox was like the cool, edgy network, right? So Fox had like in Living Color, Martin, and you know, Simpsons, and Tracy Oman's show. Like they wasn't like the big three of NBC, ABC, CBS. They were broke, dude. All that shit was buttoned up, you know what I mean? And like, I couldn't really relate to none of the late night shows that used to come on NBC, ABC, CBS. I didn't see black people on there. Johnny, I recognize his talent. But that was it, you know what I'm saying? Like I didn't care about the variety show shit. Arsenio was so far us by us and he was on this cool, last edgy network and he was there as a feeling. That was the ill part that people forget. Arsenio started off as a feeling. I forgot who show it was. Maybe it was John Rivers, maybe. Maybe it was John. It was somebody that Arsenio was feeling it and it was a 13 week run. And he smoked this 13 weeks so much and had everybody, it seemed like when you talk about everybody, like black people gathering around and it's like he created this cult-like following. I mean, the dog found it. Woof, woof, woof, woof, woof. He's from Cleveland. Like it was just something about Arsenio and then you saw us on this show. He would have the cast of Living Single on. Like when I interviewed the cast of Girlfriends the other day I kept envisioning that because if you go back and watch the interview with Living Single they were all sitting on these like high stools almost and that's what we in the cast of Girlfriends that I was sitting there thinking like, oh shit. Like it felt like that on Wu-Tang would perform. I remember seeing Snoop Dogg perform on there and Bow Wow coming out. Two-Pock Wild'n on the couch. Like he'd have Mr. Farrakhan on. He'd have people like Barry White on. But Barry White would be on there dropping jewels. Like the conversations would never be just about like music, anything else. Like he'd be having these real in-depth conversations with these people. You would really see these people in a different light. You'd hear about their spirituality and just the things that they were into that kept them going, right? And so even to this day I watch Arsenio Hall's interviews. You know what I'm saying? I watch how he does his monologues. I watch how he does his interviews. I just watch his show. Like whenever I'm even in meetings I'm like, y'all want to do a mix of Arsenio Hall meets Bill Maher. Like that's the type of late night show I would want to create. Right. So I was excited, y'all. Arsenio Hall got a Netflix special coming out, right? Which I love. I grew up on Eddie Murphy Arsenio Hall. So watching Dolomite, which is what we got to talk about. We got to talk about that, yeah. Dolomite phenomenal movie. But then I'm watching Arsenio Hall and I'm watching, I'm hearing about the Netflix special. So I'm just reading articles about him because I just like to see what his mind is. And I'm in the article. Matter of fact, I need to read this verbatim. This needs to be read verbatim. Taylor, Taylor, I was really gassed yesterday. I'm like really gassed. Let me read this verbatim. Let me read this. This is Arsenio Hall. Arsenio said, the niche his show filled in the 1990s has largely been taken over by YouTube and social media. I think now the Arsenio Hall of our society is Charlotte Mayne the God, he said. That's morning New York radio that you can get on YouTube anytime you want. Hall recalled how rapper Tupac Shakur who died in 1996 would come on this show to make announcements and respond to media reports. When I think about Tupac calling me and saying, yo man, they got me hinted up in some shit. Can I come on this show and talk? Tupac used to use my show like you use Twitter. So maybe I was the Twitter of that era. But now I think if Tupac were alive and had something he needed to get off his chest, he probably fly to New York and run up to Charlotte Mayne. Let me tell you something. I don't give a fuck what you trolls got to say to me on social media no more. I don't give a fuck if you like me, I don't give a fuck if you podcasters, if you are the radio personalities, say whatever the fuck you want about me. I'm good, all right? I am the Arsenio Hall of this society and you respect me as such, God damn it. I don't give a fuck. Y'all invented that shit? Bruh, that shit doesn't. When I saw that shit, I told my mom, bruh. I said, my mom is with me this week, she says she has my house in Jersey. I said, mama, you understand what Arsenio Hall said to me. But she said. That's the woman that used to make me go to bed. So she could watch. No, you got to care. It's too late for you to be up. You got school tomorrow, Arsenio. I was taking the VHS tapes, recording Arsenio Hall. Martin, 8 o'clock, Liberty, all that shit. Like, for him to say that, you don't give a fuck what any of y'all the motherfuckers got to say. Do you really think I care about what any of y'all got to say to hear Arsenio Hall, a real goat, a real legend, who has done something that no black person has done since. For him to recognize me in that light, I'm good. And not only am I good, it made me really appreciate where I am. Because a lot of times, we think that we have to. And I'm not saying I wouldn't want this. But I've always had dreams of having a late night show. Right? And I'm like, what if I already got what I'm searching for? Dude, we had this combo. It's just not in the form of that. Dude, we had this combo a few months back. It's so easy to get caught up in what we don't have. And this is what, yo, think about like this. What time do you think people listen or watch your interviews? All day. Whenever they want to. All day. But probably more so at nighttime when they're at home after work, chilling. There is no late night show. There is no morning show. There is no afternoon show. Time does not constrict content. So your dream of a late night show, you only wanted in very similar dolomite, right? You only wanted that thing that you saw everybody watching at one time. Why could we all watch at night? Because we weren't working at night. And there was no social media. And there was no social media. Because of the platform, we had no choice. We had no truth. That was there, right? And so we go, I want a late night show. No, we don't. We just want all the eyes. We just want to create content. We want to create content that our people, right? And our people is defined by way more than just race. It's by who identifies with us. But our people want to indulge in. So what I'm saying is, yes, you already have that. Because those people are watching those interviews. At all times at night. And those interviews don't become better when they're on at 1130. But I'm older, right? Everything you're saying is absolutely true. I'm just telling you why my thought process was like this for so long. I come from that era where that was it. We're grandfathered into it. Grandfathered into it. It takes time for us to unlearn this bullshit that was put in our head. Unlearn, because I said to myself the other day, I said, man, I get more interest from Joe Rogan interviews. Like, I watched. I listen to that Edwin Snow this shit. I couldn't put that shit down. Yeah. There's nothing on TV making me feel that way. You know what I'm saying? Because this is the new verse. Dude, real quickly, we'll talk about Dolomite. Because I know we got to get out here. But Dolomite is what what I mean, there's so many. I knew that she was going to resonate with you. When I was watching it, I was like, oh my god, dude. But I said, I said, yo, everybody needs to watch this movie if you're a creative. Everybody. Dude, I am Dolomite. Dolomite. I am Dolomite. That's the name of the podcast. I am Dolomite. Dolomite for real, man. But it was that. I didn't know shit about Rudy Ray Moore, by the way. Son, I knew nothing about him, right? But remember the point when he looks in the lights? He looks at the lights coming down and projecting a thing. And he has this moment where he goes, when I'm performing in front of an audience, I can affect that audience. But if I'm on that movie screen, I can be everywhere at once. He's predicting. He's understanding the internet game. But that was the internet of his time. If you're on movie screens, you're around the whole world. If you're performing live, you're only right there. Same thing with TV. Now we have a better version of that movie screen. We have- That light from your phone. That light from your computer. The light from your fucking phone or computer where they're watching these interviews at all these different times. You do these interviews at night, then the morning, and the afternoon, and the AM. People still gonna watch on their phone. And by the way, everything that he did in that movie is shit that we already know he's supposed to do. You know how many times he's sat in this fucking room and like, yo, we gotta shoot a movie one day. Like, now it's just doing it. Dude, not only do we have to shoot a movie one day, we would have conversations, and you would walk into the MTV Two Things, and we'd be like, yo, and you would have this idea where we had to satirize a horror film or something like that, where they were taking over the world or some shit. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. But you're like, it's not serious. We're gonna make fun of the genre. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Literally what Dolomite did with Blacksploitation films making fun of the genre. We were gonna do that with action movies. We was gonna do a guy-code, girl-code action movie. But spoofing what a superhero would be. I mean, the fact that he gets told no by every single person, they don't see it, but he's in front of the people so he knows what they like and he trusted his gut. He didn't get discouraged. You just kept pushing. He didn't let the industry kill his fucking spirit. And I'm gonna tell you the other lesson in that movie, I don't wanna give it away for y'all. We wait another week, maybe we talk about it, but the fact that learning from anyone, you know what I'm saying? Like, you can't teach somebody who's not willing to learn. Like, think about the person he dismissed from that store. That person he was dismissing from the store, it finally hit him that this is the shit I need to be doing. Like to actually go down there with that tape recorder, record and learn from all of those different people. Not look down upon them. He changed his fucking life. And that's what you gotta do. Like you gotta remain teachable, always be willing to learn. And don't get discouraged, bro. And don't be afraid to do shit yourself. That was the other shit. The music industry told him, fuck you or make my own out and put it out. Now you gotta come back and suck my dick. It is fucking house. That's right. Dude, I'm watching this and I'm just like, holy, is this like the mirror image of what I went through? The movie shit was the hardest part to me though. Cause I'm like, yo, for him to raise all that money to do a movie, like it's one thing to do music. To say, fuck it, I'm gonna shoot a movie. And I'm gonna tell you what else. When the movie finally came out and he finally sold it and everything and critics still panned it. He looked at that paper and said, this is good. Because they're gonna come out. This is good. But he didn't give a fuck. He had the people. Bro. The people supported that shit and loved it. Critics don't know what the fuck they talking about. But I know why they're looking for the right tomato score from the critics. Critics, we don't care what they have to say. There's a scene, you know, when they're putting together the movie and they're literally like scraping money together and they have people who are doing shit for free and they're holding cameras up and they're stealing electricity and they're doing all this bullshit to barely make it happen, right? I remember when we filmed views from the CIS, my last special before the crowd work one, Alex came out to Europe with me and Matt also came out to Europe with me. And when we're filming the England show to balance one of the cameras and shout to DeMarcus as well. We're balancing one of the cameras with a stick of gum. That's what we created. This special that ended up getting millions of fucking views. One of the cameras is just on a ledge in the back of the fucking room, balanced with a stick of gum so it didn't look crooked. Yeah, but that's what we had to do because we believed in the fucking content. We knew if we put it out, it would hit and the people would want it. And in to see a guy create like a genre of film and like so much success off of like self-belief and just understanding what the people truly wanted. Just tie it to the people. Essentially, Tyler Perry has done. People say what they want about Tyler Perry's art. Tyler Perry has done nothing but cater to one audience and that shit has garnered him so much success and so much resources that he got that big-ass studio in Atlanta that you saw that beautiful picture this week with Wesley Snipes, Will Smith, Eddie Murphy, and fucking who else is in that picture? Martin Lawrence. Martin Lawrence, all on that set at his studio because he catered to one audience, one audience only and then give a fuck what everybody else was thinking. That's the game, baby. Hey man. Hey man. God bless. We appreciate y'all. Thank you for joining us. Hope you enjoyed this week's podcast. Go subscribe to everybody's respective YouTube. 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