 That just said the dark welcome back unfiltered and uncensored talk for young young alumni of historically black colleges and universities I got Katie from copping on my big brother Chad on By way of uh, is it MSU is it Morgan? Yes, it's Morgan Finn Morgan. So Finn Morgan Chad stepping in for always the Morganite who has class tonight Laurel by way of a T. Hayden on a lot of things candy corn um Tweets whole bunch of fake news fake news and then um, I'm not talking to Tiffany. Uh, so tonight um, wow So tonight's episode is um Is dedicated to scamming Some of the the institutional and individual kind of mechanisms where people Can scam or get scammed on an hbc campus and this is important Um, not just from the sense of you you want to have I guess like a good moral foundation on the campus community Or within the campus community But more is like an awareness builder for folks who may not know how The scams run on campus or even sometimes how institutions have to scam To stay alive and when we use the word scam not necessarily in a bad way But it is you know for all practical purposes a scam so um Before we get into that Do we need to have a conversation about this this nipsey controversy or can we just move on? What what's the controversy? Well jarrett tell the people what you did tell the people what you did No, i'm gonna ask i'm gonna ask y'all do we need to talk about this? Do I need to do I need to talk about it? Or can we move on? Is it is it satisfied? I think you should I think you should at least address it because I mean when I originally saw it, I knew what you were saying, but we know that these days people Do not read for context and You know things get lost in translation So Okay, I agree. Well just to just to make it clear for everyone who's listening who cares to listen If they've broken their boycott of the digest To listen to this broadcast so There was a tweet that I posted yesterday That talked about you know Shout out to people who are celebrating Nipsey hustles legacy as an entrepreneur and somebody who promoted entrepreneurialism, but at the same time basically Just just basically jettison their responsibilities consumers like you bitching and moaning about spending a dollar on the digest And so the the the aim of it for me was not to Talk about him or is you know his tragic tragic death And not to even talk about the digest it was more Using those two things as an as an example of The mismatch between what we say and what we do We believe in hbc's, but we don't attend them We believe in buying black, but we don't do it Um, you know, we believe in supporting one another but then you know We the first thing we do when we have a you know Unsatisfactory experience with a black vendor or black business or a black person Is is blasting on twitter? So it kind of cooled out today And I think and I'm actually grateful that it it spurred a conversation besides me, you know getting dragged for filth that some people Saw it for what I intended was like, how do we how do we get together to make our words match up with our actions? um And surprisingly for as many people that criticized, you know What they thought was an effort to get more subscribers Actually did happen that way more people actually said, you know an IG and in the DMs like damn my bad I should have subscribed earlier. I'm glad you said something and I'm just I just regret that people looked at the name Or looked at the dollar amount and thought, you know that it was something less than what I intended So there that is any other comments from the family before we move on Hearing none, I guess y'all think I'm a scammer of a china troll uh nipsey. So let's um Let's go on so Let's get into it like this if if you had to pinpoint the scams that took place on your campus as individual You know shared now because I think that there may be an income of freshmen There may be a Senior who wants to you know, play this for somebody and say hey beware of how this stuff goes down Katie will start with you since um copping in scam city You can talk about some some or one of the scams that you know took place on the west side as you pick up whatever you dropped the microphone, um I now now that you said like that because I was just thinking about personal scams It's not um my university scamming me. Um I'm not convinced that copping really runs scams so much as it's just poor management And so people feel like they got this somebody got older on them What so what meaning what like bad service or or like so like they get caught in like student loan loopholes And then so they feel like um like you know how and we all know how the system is set up So if you don't get something in on time, you might end up taking out an external loan to cover the cost of school And then come to find out your loan paperwork came through so you didn't need the external loan And that happened a lot of cop that happens a lot and sometimes people end up with bills that don't make sense like Like how do you get a $3,000 bill when you were here when somebody else is down anyway? Like it's just stuff like that that I just I've always found perplexing unless Either they lied to you or you lied to them or there was just something that you didn't somebody didn't do right It reads like the scam is not necessarily That the student did anything wrong and maybe the the personnel didn't do anything wrong. They just had a mismatch on I guess matching up what what resources need to be plugged in where and when And then it becomes like now all now i'm sitting here with a financial obligation When I already had my bill paid, you know just two weeks ago Right, and then you can't go back to school next semester because you owe the school $2,500 And then that turns into $5,000 you got a hold and that you just Going to trade school Because you damn sure it could they don't roll downhill laura you're an administrator I'm sorry. It's not funny. It's funny because I want to because laura is is definitely anti-scam. This is her. This is her baby um, so why I would presume that you would have insight on how the students try to scam the institution, correct? well, yeah, like at least for me especially since I work with the fellowship program and At least in terms, I mean it's not admissions, but it's it's kind of the same process where I'm looking at transcripts or Applications and things like that. So It's like you run the line of like, okay You're you know a student comes to me and it's like, oh, you know, I know You require this certain gpa, but this is what I have Can you round it up or can you still you know? Can you still accept my application? And that's why I kept saying people. I was like higher. It is not for bleeding hearts and you have to be Mindful like yes, you know give somebody a break If it's a break and it's not gonna cost you your job Or risk jail time, but then also just like okay I see what you're doing and You know on a homie level. I would want to help you out But from an admin level and thinking about student development. I can't you know, I can't let you slide So like if you had to get something in by a certain time our deadline is our deadline And so it's like in certain cases if it's something outside of your control Like we had some students that were in places where they were hit by the hurricane and their school was shut down So it's like there's nothing they could do about that, but it's like if our application was open for three and a half months And you just now you And you started and you started your application that first month and didn't come back to it until the day before the deadline I'm sorry I love you I promise I do But I can't I can't make an exception for you because then if I do it for you Then I have to do it for everyone else and then if I'm doing that why even have deadlines so Have you guys ever encountered when students feel like if the scam can't work or get over on somebody Or they can't get the hook up that they feel like the system has failed or there's a there's a deficit in the culture Like I'm being done wrong because I can't get an exemption I'm like I think often Every every time And it's awesome because like you see I think that you may see kind of what laura was talking about that A lot of I think an experience at hbc users like relationship building And so the students are talking And so if you know, I did something for someone, you know, they might say hey somebody helped me out Like I remember when I was in college and I needed money You know what I mean? Like there were people who were ahead of me that were classes ahead of me told me like hey Go talk to this person go talk to that person to try to get this money And so when it didn't happen for me, I'm like, you know, I felt that way So I know that still exists for me working at the school I work at now that you hear that well, this school sucks because Because once you do it for someone, you know, that that doesn't have to be the practice But the expectation is that that's the practice because we don't understand How things are working or how things are managed and then some people Like katie was saying are mismanaging things or doing things, you know, the wrong way or not even understanding The stipulations and protocols of what they're supposed to be doing with funds or services that they're providing So I definitely think that that exists from students And so this is a and this is my the veteran in me talking, right? Everybody knows about the gi bill and how that works and how those funds are allocated Well, there's an officer at every school dedicated to those students so that they can push those funds through And so they have the ability to tell The entire school. Hey, you can't kick this student out because they have money on the way And they would try to leverage that relationship even if there was no money on the way And it's like hold on hold on hold on if you don't pay this bill before a certain deadline We can't give them money for you, right? Even if they drop me your schedule, they're firing me. So what do you want? Which one do you think I'm going to? Well, that's okay. That's the thing Lord talk about like if These things could jeopardize your job Because and and Chad touched on this as well like you do it for one and it gets around campus now That's the that's the rule So, you know, if I was talking to Tiffany, I asked you're like, well, how do you how do you make? Exceptions for students who may have an extenuating circumstance, but then beware of How it can become I guess campus culture administrative culture Thanks for the question The way that you the way that you fix it is by policy It only it only becomes a problem when there isn't policy or policy that that is um Explicit enough where people can just say, hmm. This isn't written so I can do x y z If it's written and you decide to do x y z you're out of here period but if if there's a lack or It doesn't quite meet ends ends to tails or ends starts to tails whatever that Oh, whatever. This is why I'm not talking to you And I also think students ask because think of it. They have less to risk than you do Exactly, and then even even with a change in policy. I don't It still happens with with policy that is written and is on the website and in their student handbook that no one reads Because I don't think I read it when they kept giving it to me And I only read it when I thought I would get in trouble when you thought you get in trouble exactly I know they're not reading It's a type of thing where you only look at until crisis happens. Oh, it's a crisis. What am I supposed to do? Wait, that don't make sense. Let me go to miss whatcha calling and see if she can hook me up in the 11th hour And I also think that um in sometimes at our institutions There are practices that we think are policies because people have been in these positions for so long People and doing them right. Yeah, so we've been doing this the same way because I've been doing this for so long And we think and I think that even as administrators you think that these things are policies, but they're practices And so they're able sometimes you're able to Short cut and get in because we haven't even changed the system or worked with Making sure that these things are covering our asses part of my language. No, that's fine. This is after dark I wish I could tell y'all what I did today, but it's okay No, we're not speaking to you. So we're going to take our first quick our first break But when we when we come back, I want to delve a little bit more into that into the conversation about How those How those those practices become policy because I think there are some connections between that and The whole aura around hbcu is fine hbc's which is find a way or make one So that just after dark. We're gonna come right back That just after dark and we're having a conversation about the scammers on hbcu's uh wrapping up a conversation about the I guess the dissonance between expectations from administration and students About how processes work to get things done and when they don't make things happen for students How the students feel like they're getting scammed and so this is a this is a really dope conversation And and I think we left off on the point of Don't you think that the students trying to ask? for exemptions or exceptions is part of the culture of hbcu's we hey we find a made find a way or we make one or You can't the worst thing that somebody can tell you is no Um, so little to your point about you know, you're you're starting an important application the day before is due You haven't even realized you need an essay. You need three recommendations. You need transcripts. You need Uh Background check or whatever you need You need immunization forms all kinds of stuff and they want you to extend it for them. You can't Isn't that part of the thing well, well, all I can do is is is here No, and all I can do is hear no from you And then your vice president and then the president and then the board all they can do is tell me no So I'll just keep going going going until I hear yes I mean that's nice in theory. Does that happen on the regular? No Because I feel like I mean It's one of those things where it's like closed mouths don't get fed Right and I've noticed a lot of students even Even with the email fiasco last year at howard um And the student was saying well my mama always told me if you have an issue go to the top which I get it, but that does not work in every context so it's more so like it's For that for at least for my job. It's on the students part. It's a lack of knowledge about How to apply for things and that It's not like okay fill out this form And then we process it in two weeks and then you get whatever you're applying for like You have to it's a set timeline Where you have to set a timeline from who are my recommenders going to be I need to follow up with them Such and such is out of the country. Do I have a plan v person? Do I have everything I need it for my application? It's not something you can just do in 30 minutes You actually have to take the time to do it And so it's like I've been on the side where I found out about something the day before it was due But I took the L and I was like this will be available again next year Yep, or and things may change in in that time Shear and I may do it then or I may not and move on because it's not the only opportunity out there And then also I think it's on the schools to like more schools are starting to have like fellowship advisors For that reason precisely because a lot of these students if they either don't know about these opportunities They don't know how to apply them To an application. So if they even get an application in they're not good Because they're just you know, oh, well, I got a I got to do a personal statement. Let me just write something Is it just a programmer? Is it just me or is it does it seem like the students? it's not uh You know the the usual function of getting into and being enrolled in college right because there are a lot of Fail states that you have to have in place to get your classes registered and all that and you'll get alerts and all those kind of stuff Is students that'll try to scam the school for some bonus stuff? Yo, I really need that book scholarship. Why why you can't help me? Um, you know, I really you know, I really need that room assignment. Yeah, I know I didn't apply on time But come on man. I was there last year and my roommate standing right here Like it's always some like some bonus. Wow. It's not even the basic like yo The failsafe's worked. You got in the class you got into you got you got your bill, you know Paid off or whatever you had to do to stay in class. It'd be some bonus stuff Or maybe maybe there's more the only thing I can Like the only thing I can think and I think this is I don't want to say this is generational But I feel like it is and that in the digital era these kids are used to getting things instantaneously So trying to convince them that there's a process and a procedure and it had it takes more than one person to approve it And that you know This letter rec has to be read understood vetted You know what I mean and that sometimes that requires a phone call and sometimes that phone call might take four or five days Um, it's just hard to make them under this particular generation understand that everything is instantaneous It takes time to peer through 500 word essays, especially if it's 500 of them You know what I mean, but but I also feel like sometimes those things aren't necessarily explained to them It's assumed that they understand it and we have to be clear that all of our students are not coming with the necessary preparation to be where they're at Um, and that that's very uh, that's very clear and the students who I work with like Yes, their bill is paid for um And you know, but you don't know You don't know what's still what's happening on the other side. And so sometimes they're asking I think yeah, some people are asking that they're trying to get over But also some people are asking because to ask at home or to ask Whoever taking care of them is going to require a lot more for them because you don't know what's happening at home Some parents are abusive. Some parents are saying well, this is all that I'm doing for you And you need to take care of yourself however you can, you know, like some people senders They take care of the academic bill, but don't um, give the money to pay for Housing they just think that it's gonna happen. So I think sometimes some students and I'm gonna say this is all But some students are put into a hard Place and having to grow up very quickly. You know, I remember my experience my mom told me after freshman year She's not taken out alone. So if I wanted to stay at Howard, I needed to figure out how I was going to pay for that And so yes, that did require for me to do I would call it respectfully a little bit more begging for some money because it was a big scam I would You call it you call it what you call it You know, but I knew where I wanted to be where you had to be right and I knew where I had to be and yet You know, I asked my mom a million times and she said no And so in order for me to make that happen for myself Then there were a few Circles around campus that I had to do and you know that some other people didn't get to to get to get But I did and I had to put myself in places and sit at certain tables In order to make sure that I was able to stay at Howard Look at what you just said though to make sure I was able to stay at Howard not to make sure that I was in the honor society You're not entitled to go to school full-time But that's especially if you haven't familiarized yourself with how to do this and I hate to say that that's cold But it's true But look at what like what what you have to understand is that you know, like somebody had asked me asked me this the other day like, you know Do you go to college? And I honestly really couldn't tell you a very honest answer that like Looked flowery like well, I knew that I daughter daughter No, it was what the next thing was right, you know what I mean? And now when I think of myself as a first-generation college student who came from a single-parent household I don't necessarily think that I came with all of the education that I should have when I went to college Right and I still think that is until today that these students are not coming with the necessary Education on what it means to be at college to stay at college to survive thrive and graduate Right and we are admitting students to this institution knowing that they are not Knowing and I'm saying that often that it not just you know at multiple institutions knowing that they don't have that information Knowing that we're not giving it to them either So it's to scam and and that goes to that So we have to be mindful like when we're raising up, you know increase in enrollment and raising prices That there is an impact that it's going to have on students And that and and you know parents are back home. They have no idea what's happening in college They have no idea like the fact like I had to help my mom do the fast book all throughout my four years You know my years in college, bro, let me tell you both of my parents graduated from college Both of them graduated. So I'm I was very lucky and blessed that way They never seen no parts of a fast book Right, so like now Intellectually, they could go through obviously they could go through questions and and answer them But to to be second nature of like, okay, you got to have the tax returns ready for this part You know, like you got a you got to be able to to connect the school number And this is where you find the school number the federal ID for the school I didn't know where to do that, you know, like so you're talking about two educated parents that weren't even familiar with that process So you're right. We had to work on that as a unit when I came home in the summertime So imagine a student that their parent that doesn't have a unit zero That they don't they don't have a unit. They don't have familiarity. They don't have an uncle. They don't have a mentor That's available. I do feel for them, but Where do you where do you get the concept like yo, I gotta fight through it To the point that I'm not going to try to I guess skit for lack of a better term scan my way scan my way through it because at some point that's gonna run out And it's also not just the college you also have to think about what their education Background was like before they get there people always forget about k through 12 And even when I I took a talk about counseling I took a career counseling course And we had sections that talked about career counseling for elementary school career counseling for middle school and I got in I got in the argument because of course other people in my class are white people So that was fun But they were setting the argument that like it's not too early To you know have those conversations and I'm like and I'm like you're right like we had career day and You know we go on a field trip to like a fire station and you learn how it is to be a fire person Not fireman But even I would have said fire fighter, you know, even at that age I didn't think about it as you know I want this to be my job because then you also have to think about okay background wise like You know my parent or my Guardian or whoever is looking after me They have a job A job in a career is not the same thing or I'm just focused on trying to get through school I'm not even thinking about what's after that. I'm just trying to handle today I'm trying to handle tonight. Yeah, and so I feel like A lot of people put an unfair burden on colleges and universities to like Well, how are you going to address all these things and I'm like, honestly, these are things that should have been addressed like years ago Even if they have like support on campus for like how to do your FAFSA Which would be hard because you kind of have to do that Especially for fresh me had to do that before you even get on campus March 1 But I'm like there's only so much that there's only so much that they can do once those students get there Yeah, so I think I mean, I don't know. I think it's like a it's a systemic thing that I don't think colleges themselves can Take on by themselves. They can help But I also do think that, you know, regardless of circumstances It is on the student because that is that really is the first time where you're learning how to advocate for yourself And if you're even if you're unfairly put in a position where like, okay I have no money or like I did last year, but now I'm essentially getting cut off. What am I going to do? That's when your survival instinct should kick in and it's like, okay. Do I really want this? Yes All right. So what do I need to do to ensure that I stay here? past all the BS My school Doing what they do best which is giving people to shuffle And how and how am I going to navigate those things? And I think students today are kind of like It's kind of like oh challenge happens. What do I do? Help me? So last week when I was at home I'm recruiting. I was at my alma mater and my twin brothers currently go there And they were like and two of their other friends in their whole friend group They were like, can you help us? I'm like, help you with what I'm here And so one of another another friend of the group She just doesn't know anything and they're like, she don't know nothing And she has good grades. She has good test scores, but she don't know nothing I'm like, what does that mean? Then I found out what that meant I'm like, so what's the problem that you want to solve? I don't know What's something that you passionate about? I don't know. What did you want to be when you were? We're younger. I don't know. I'm like, do you want to go to school? I don't know. I'm like, so I know your grades. That's what's up. At least she'd be an honest She was she was being dead ass honest. She was I'm like, is this overwhelming for you? Like I'm trying to really understand why why is every answer to the question that I ask I don't know and it's because she's overwhelmed. I'm like, you don't know what comes after high school She's like, no, I don't I was like, so you you know, you were supposed to do four years here And now that you're finally almost to the end literally have a month left You just you never you never thought about this point in your life. She's like, no It speaks to Chad and Laurel's point like but those to be honest, I didn't either But but that's okay. It's all right. I didn't really know what I wanted to do till I was 25. I'm out of school That's that's that's life. But it speaks to Do you have people around you that have conversations with you that model for you? The way that you find the path and so, you know, I do have one Cad you got to all of this right and how this generation is being raised in particular I'll watch this segment on I believe MBC or MSNBC or something like that about what they call snow plow parents, right new a new a new title Where snow plow parents are just doing everything they can to get rid of all of the obstacles for their child And to the point where they become adults and they don't know what adversity looks like What intensity is and I think that's what Tiffany was just speaking to her parents probably did everything for her from changing her diapers to scheduling appointments to You know what? I mean, don't that's not your friend. This is your friend. You know what I mean? No, no, not your parents. No, I'm sitting there Like and so like there's a segment of society that is exactly like that Where they're just the parents are getting rid of all the obstacles and so the first time they get yelled at at work They're calling them up I remember what I mean That's back when I was talking to you I was at a conference I think it was last year and I remember like it kind of like messed me up when they posed this question It was like most time we think like our students ready for college and they were like no, it's not our students ready for college Our college is our college is ready for the students. Yeah And it kind of, you know, maybe think about even in my daily like interactions like I have to think about You know, uh, working to build them with 220 young black males or young minority males and sometimes have to individualize my experience and my relationship with them In order to assist and help them or find assistantship and helping them get things and navigate on campus and it's like everybody doesn't think like that and everybody is not at our institutions for You know, the students in mind. They're not they're there to collect a check Um, and so I have to be cognizant that there are and aware that there are people that are not necessarily given them what they The the the bare necessity in finding ways like colleges should have finding, you know Finance courses where they're teaching them financial management. Well, if they're not learning it before they get here Then what are we doing while they're here? So they're able to manage the money, um, you know, people are like, well You took out more money than you were supposed to for your loans Well, why wouldn't they if they're looking for a quick buck then when they see that they can take out a loan That's going to get them $10,000. I don't need they three they need three You know, what they're going to do with the seven the same with the same thing go do if they was on the plot And then got to pay back you got to pay back 30 over the next 30 years. Yeah, lead day Katie snowplow parent point interestingly enough I want to say this is last month a parent called about Their child hold up without because we got to take a break right now because I'm a little bit over time But when we come back, uh, if I'm talking to tiff by that point We're going to get into her her her rent And then we're going to And then we're going to talk about, uh, some of the some of the student scams, uh, that we've experienced that just at the dark We'll be right back That is at the dark. You sure you don't want to say that one? They don't want to talk about scamming. We're now going to talk about freaking Um, um Well, what do you say we had two seconds Maybe we'll come back to the scamming but we need to get this freaking thing out of the way So For people Lawls against it. Yeah, uh tiff is mad. I'm not talking to her. So her vote doesn't count. Um, you know what? So The story is that freak dick is coming back, right? So I think it went it went dark in 2010 Um, and it's coming back. Oh long for that. Was it long? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 2002 maybe was it too. They got the 2002 I'd be shocked. Okay. Yeah So, so it it allegedly is coming back this summer But it's going to be a one day event with a concert at a park in Atlanta You know, that's not freak nick, by the way, you know what? I'm a that's a festival They should call it freak nick festival there because that's not freaking Howard Howard's yard fest hasn't been the same since it became family friendly That will be the same thing that happens with freak nick. This is so I actually wrote Wait, wait, let's let's let's start from the top though because a lot of the youngest don't know where freak nick is Well, right it's hard to it's hard. I'm probably the only one that's old enough to remember It actually was going on when I was in college um, but it was just a It's exactly what it sounds like. It was it. It was like a concert and it's like a All right, let's talk about the origin then. No, I don't know Okay, you call it No, you be I put it like this it was one of those it was one of those things like for today's youth I would say You need to put the you need to put the ci double a and your homecoming and Like the homecoming let out that's in the streets all together and that's freak nick Right. I mean, but it started out. It's just a gathering of the hbcu's in georgia Correct. So but But it evolved it evolved or devolved however you want to define it Into it became a part of it got involved. It became a party for everybody So then right hbc students from everywhere and alumni from everywhere were coming And then But you know what Here's the thing sounds like another four letter event, right? I know you you go refigio and that's cool But here's the difference and I actually wrote a piece about this. You know what the difference is With geho, please tell us with geho and any hbc Howard homecoming any any homecoming You're generally dealing with that region, right? You're generally dealing with that campus or maybe their rival campus or whoever they're playing Is that city for a Howard homecoming? Well, listen, it's that region Freak nick was something Everybody was coming to and at the time like listen Atlanta wasn't it's like when it Atlanta gets snow. They don't know what to do with it Right, and it got so bad that police were locking up black people at the georgia border that we were locking you up turning your car around That's how bad for you. Well, see that's that's how but see did he get that Did it really get that wild or did they did they really overreact because the thing about it is I think the stuff that you see today on youtube and you see on these videos That's that's terrible. We don't endorse that nobody nobody would say like Miami spring break Correct. Nobody endorses sexual assault. Nobody endorses harassment. Nobody endorses any of that. Sure, but what happens is I I get the sense that Black folks are saying no no no no no no no more freak nick White folks don't do that for you know Bonnaroo and their stuff Because white folks don't go to jail for being loud. Oh, are you sure? Preakness Yeah, white folks don't get loud and locked up in preakness No, not to the extreme End of a ravens game no, but that's still the point It's stop but but think about it. They don't get locked up. Now. Maybe there's some racial stuff that has to do with it But that's still a situation where they convene they get out of order. Some people get locked up Some people get punched. There's a parable here. There's a parable here. Miami. I mean, um bike week Okay, um Because the the uh the harley one happens a week before the one that um happens on memorial day There are no cops for the harley one as soon as memorial day We can turn it around as cops at every corner and that's that's what I've heard from bikers. So there is a difference That's a but that's a racial that's a racial thing and we can deal with that But what I don't we subject in ourselves Why would we subject ourselves to that level of criminality on purpose? But see here's now here's the alcohol But here's the way I want to address it. I wouldn't want somebody to say cancel cop and homecoming or cancel gho because these negroes get out of hand Or they fighting or somebody got rich that is unfortunate, but i'm not sure that you cut off an economic impact event And that's what this stuff is and and we talk about freak nick, you know You know all the wildness and all that and the shenanigans that was bringing money to georgia They wouldn't have let it rock that long if it wasn't Hotels made money venues made money black businesses made money So, you know for something that started in the 80s that rocked a long time to be something where a bunch of negroes got down there and acted like apes According to the way the police would tell it But that's not that's that's that's not all it was crowd control though It's now since you can go to jail for more things than you could Back in the 80s and 90s, right It's all about crowd control. How do you manage a crowd because like you said it was already happening But then like whatever year that was where it kind of just spilled over and it's like oh wait Like wow, this is a thing and it's spilling out of its Containment so to speak and they weren't able to control it because this is a land of Atlanta We talking about let me say I feel like it depends on where it is too. It can only can it land to up today Control it now. Here's the thing Greensboro Has been and is able to control jio. I have never Of the all the homecomings I've been to My favorite Is a nt homecoming because it's proximity campus is on campus. I love it like that They control it. We are everywhere in Greensboro. You can't it's like it's like how are you can't you can't drive Like this party's breaking out at exxons like This party's breaking out at the abc store But even those like even those two locations you can't compare them because DC is a bigger small city like it's bigger than Greensboro, but it's still smaller than new york But also it's dc. So they have fourth of july right there used to it people I mean just the summer is tourist season actually tourist season just started here Right, so it's like the city by itself can handle those type of crowds Greensboro at least with jijo is grown But it's also grown at a pace where it wasn't just like, you know One year it was the regular amount and then next year it's like everybody including people on mars Is going to gm But I guess my I guess my point was Greensboro has not always had a great relationship with the students of a and t And neither have the police neither have the police But it's not something that whatever incidents may have occurred Has led to them saying cancel that no more homecoming for you I think that it even we might have to understand like the political aspect of it That it looked like, you know, when you look at the history of freak naked when it You know when it was kind of cut off like what was the political continent? Because there has to be a relationship between the establishment that's putting it together And then the establishment that's going to be protecting it You have to look at the and that and that like I remember my brother Went to freak nick a few times when he was in college And it just seemed like this thing that I thought that I was going to experience when I went to college Um Do I desire to go? I know it's going to be a lot different because you have to be you know aware of the political and social climate of america now Look at what happened in miami over spring break um These conversations are happening around political arenas in different political areas all over the nation So if you have this huge mass of you know colored people You know come into an area they're going to freak out at freak nick Of course they did it. They did it for c i double a like people literally left town when c i double a would come to town But here's where I think it's problematic. I'm not sure I don't I don't necessarily disagree with my people on this But i'm not sure if black folks should be saying Cancel the whole thing because it's too much criminality and it's too much nonsense I think that we can hold ourselves to a great standard. We can party and have fun And it's not a criminal event Like it's not it's not it's not an extinction level event for that city. We do it all the time I mean, so We do it when it's not even organized. I mean go to a cop and morgan game I mean like Just events like that where you involve brings us a different element like when you know what gz is going to pop up in a Gucci and like their fans are going to show up it brings a different element that nobody wants to deal with because Unfortunately, they don't always bring out the best people or the best or the people with the best intentions But that but that's every event. I'm not sure if that's just black events though Like ravens games like bring out the You know No, but I care about it in the sense that I don't want us to police ourselves so much that we say cancel it Cancel it don't do it anymore Because I think we replaced it so many times that it doesn't matter Maybe it may be it could be that you know, I think that's what the fuck I mean, we we just figured out we figured out smaller events that are safe for us that won't Get a bunch of us in trouble at the same time. It could be it could be magic city class It could be gho. It could be florida classic hasn't replaced all that stuff It could that could be it spell house oncoming But i'm just saying I I think that we shouldn't be in the position of saying Dead all that because we don't know how to act I don't I don't and and I wanted to go back to us if it if it is going to come back It should go back to the black colleges organizing it like those schools need to get together and say We're going to do this for us and y'all can come support this. Do you think the AUC would want to take on that responsibility? If the AUC student government organization If they all have their own independent budgets and they decide what they're going to do in an academic year What's the stop these students from doing doing just that? I mean because you probably can't do that and homecoming Well, you got to try it out first never say never It doesn't have to I mean, I think we're just acting like you don't know how sponsorship work All right at its largest it doesn't have to be some huge thing It could literally just be with the community. They're already familiar with and that's already there And started internally first give it a test run and then from there Then add on to it. But I don't think it should be done in a way. We're like, hey everyone on the internet We're doing this and maybe maybe it starts with them not calling it freak me Probably so but I'm just saying yeah I think if you if anything if you get two bodies together you get bodies together and say we're going to throw a party It would be like if if copping in Morgan alumni just said hey, hbc weekend in Baltimore Which I want to do by the way, but you want to explore that if we did if we did that People from Philly people from New York people from DC would come. I mean that's people from Kentucky will come I'm in there. You're not invited. We're not speaking. Um, I am But what I'm saying, but you you understand I'm saying like people People would come like they would they would check it out and just say oh, this is this looks like it's a big event For hbc alumni and even though I didn't go to cop in the Morgan I'm still I got people up there. Or I just want to check it out. And so Right Even the bad money and the drunker cousin are invited like everybody goes Well, I don't know about them. They're gonna show up anyway because they drunk. That's the problem. This is true Let me tell you what's going to happen with freak nick Let me tell you what my theory is on this this family friendly thing because it ain't that family friendly first and foremost They got a dean of how it coming they got luke coming Um, they got bun b coming this ain't family friendly. So they ain't fooling nobody But that's okay past the troy who I like but and I like all of them. But you know, that ain't family college professor Rock is put some respect on his name the track one on ugk's first jones murder. So You know, I don't I don't know I don't know if that's well They said they're targeting the quote unquote original fans of these artists So it will in effect be family friendly because you know what that's going to be 40 and over ratchet as hell. They're going to be busting it open. They're not in shape They're going to have lawn chairs and flasks out there. This jone is not this jone is not going to be dope ATL greek picnic is the same weekend right so I'm sorry, what? The greek atlantic greek is the same weekend. And it is kind of smart though. Katie You can't get no real us around for that's all that Okay, but that lineup it's still, you know, that's 40 plus family uncle crowd No disrespect to any uncles or uncles or aunties listening. I love uncles and aunties but That's that's what it is. So let me take let me take a poll. Go ahead chat. I'm sorry No, I was just going to say but then like what the city looks like. So you yes It's going to be aunties and uncles over here and then it's going to be, you know The younger college folk over here who's at agp, but then the city after those things are over. What is that going to look like? I think the young so hold on hold on the city of atlantic can handle it Hold on because they just hosted the super boy. They did fine So no the city of atlantic can handle the volume the super boy attracts everybody and they mother and then some more folks So it's not it's not about can they handle it? Do they want to let me take a quick poll Who who on the show right now would go would go to freak nick? It's a no from laurel. No, I ain't gonna. I ain't gonna. I'm going I think it's june 20. I think it's june 22nd point of fact my wife wants it to return more so than me. Wow I I I would love to but that's my birthday. So I'm not spending my birthday. He's not going to freak me for his birthday So no, I'm not speaking to tiffany, but I would ask her What's she planning on going? That's why you're losing your voice. That's probably god don't like ugly. You're right. Um, would would you go to would you go to freak nick? um I would and I Because she's a hater so she wants to go there to hate If I don't if I don't know you don't touch me because I see those videos don't touch me Let's see. That's what that is going to be problematic because It was problematic then But I think that And correct me if I'm wrong especially the sisters. It is definitely problematic now. It ain't problematic now. That's a that's an ass whooping What sexual assault. Yes, it was problematic then But I think that even some sisters thought oh, you just touched my butt. Okay, get away from me now. It's like Me too dawg And you're gonna you're gonna get your brain beaten So that the sisters ain't having it now So if you go there thinking that that's the gonna be the move or that's gonna be the vibe Your buzz is gonna get killed Because the the sisters that are going Maybe going to see the concert They may be going to twerk and do whatever they want to do. It ain't for your nonsense, bro So don't think that what you saw on youtube is going down in 2019 And you know, that's what you know, what though it may be safer because of that It will be safer But I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed thinking that it is that way They have grown up thinking oh, this is what freaking it is. I saw it on youtube. What you acting like that for You know what though? I'd rather than be disappointed to be caught on camera assaulting somebody That's the other point that I want to bring everybody's going to be recording. So every Brother you're right on the point because what was not going down in the early 2000s was people live streaming What was not going down is the gram. What was not going down is just story. Yep I mean stuff was still being recorded, but It was negroes with camcorders out there Like the only way right now is not the same as oh, I'm immediately posting this To twitter right to get our team and now everybody has Everybody has the camera. It's not just the one it's like six of y'all that rolled down in the camera And one of us got a camcorder I mean you all better greek can maybe take some time right now to speak on what discretion is And oh nah, let it go, laurel How to how to practice that in your every day, you know, do you know, right? I I as an individual Will will defer what's going on right now? Yeah, about it. We about to go to our next segment What is going on right now? What is going on right now? Why does this come up every time like once an episode this has to come up? And I just don't understand why because you know why you're beautiful on black But you know why because the greeks particularly the brothers We got to be at a higher caliber of manhood and discretion and respect And it's too many of us acting a fool for some reason That that are given the sisters the impression like yo, they have to know good They can't the things that we say we're gonna do and the things that say we're about Enough of us are showing that we're not that so the the letters are getting You know a different a different aura around them. So I understand what she's saying. I understand If you don't care that much If you don't care that much If you don't care that much right about what? Right. We can let us be having a different aura. We're gonna take a lot. We're gonna take our last break And that's exactly why I'm not and that's exactly why I'm not talking to her right now We are not going to break We're going to break when we come back We're going to finish up the scam. We're going to finish up the scam Our conversation with some of our favorite on-campus scams. That just at the dark. We'll be right back That just at the dark and we're back. Um, just geared off a course for a little bit to talk about freak nick Um, and everybody it's a no from everybody on the show is in terms of going Um, they don't want that's not what came out of that. They don't want to be the 40 on the crowd Katie, you're the only one going uh, who said he would go tiff said she would go. That was a lot I said I would go to freak nick because the wife said she wants to go to freak nick I have to take care of her Why are you being a hater? That's true god that if you if your butt is a certain size you you you're under you got a target on your back If you go to freak nick I'm just saying you've seen the videos. Um So let's let's get back into this the scammer conversation. Um, there's a couple Involving students that I wanted to get into one This this affected me personally One of them is is there are some I guess church or religious groups on campus That in their effort to like recruit students to be a part of it They can they can be overly aggressive almost to the point of stalking I don't know if this is everywhere, but it certainly was a thing at morgan for years. Um And I'm not even sure if I should bring up the church if I should promote them that way But they would they would you know invite you to bible study They would invite you to you know prayer service or something like that I had experience with this. I went I went to bible study one time and it was good. What I did I thought you were raised bad to see you're veering off It what what I went to bible study if you It's not just a bible study. Okay. So let me also get back around we have that same problem on campus too Okay, so that is on more than one campus But what they what they did was if you went and they got your information like they would call you Like non-stop Like yo, are you are you coming to service? All right. Yo, are you coming to this? Are you coming to that and almost it's almost like this this unending pressure To be a part of the to be a part of the church or be a part of the congregation To the point that a lot of people on campus thought it was like a it was like a call Because for the people who did join up You you rarely ever saw them on campus again Like they were always like I got to be at the church. I got to do this I got to do that and that's okay to you know that to you know for your campus life to be Really in a time with your faith like that's great But to the point what you're saying is they were Scientologists You know what it actually you know what it actually was something like that Knew it. I said I'm sad to say So like on my well in my freshman year there was a whole little expose in the hilltop And I forget the name me and laura was talking about just the other day But it's something like our our mother of peace or our lady of peace They would come to the Starbucks and it will always be two um racially ambiguous girls Who looked college age who would approach? girls And ask them like hey Do you want to come to church or do you want to do this that or other? Oh, we have bible study. We meet in this Starbucks. Like we're really cool. Do you need friends like things like that? And it was always weird to me Because i'm listening to what you're saying. I'm reading what you have and it doesn't feel right And I was even I'm not even like that It was like it started like, oh, do you want to come to bible study? We meet And then it like took a hard left And was like, you know, because the apocalypse is coming and we got ready and I was like And this girl caught me when I was in the work book. Kimmy Schmidt shit Yeah, that's like I was already I was already leaving work. So I already wasn't in the room. I don't in the mood I don't like being approached by people on the street. I ignore everyone But then when she said that I was like get ready. Um, yeah So like I had to give her a fake number and I and then I think I like turned my back into she was gone It was I was just like, why couldn't I just get robbed today? I actually would prefer that But it's like, you know, our college campuses are Designed for especially when they're open for that type of experience to happen very true And it's also because you know when we're coming in Um Can you guys hear me? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, and so like, yeah, because they're you know, that's happened You know in my undergrad institution. I've seen it here Um, and it's because you know, a lot of people you're coming here. So it's new So you're looking for an opportunity to increase. Do you go to church? Yeah, I've gone to church Well, come on come join us. But then you know, you think about you know, the churches that you've probably gone to back home It was very Lee, you know, like a home church. It was a culture. It was a you know, uh A warmth to it and it's kind of difficult to find that navigating when you're in a new space when you don't know that area So, um, it sucks because you know, it's people who pray even you know, not even just sexually But even when it comes to our religious, um, you know, our religious hearts people are praying with our people So let's talk about some of these other scams. How do y'all feel about different groups on campus? Um modeling troops Greeks Sga Some people would say that some people say that those those can be facilitators for scams This question sounds like a scam First of all, and it sounds very loaded and i'm feeling very attacked right now Scanning because i'm asking the question I'm asking on behalf of the people the listeners may say well, sg is a scam You know, they they go in all these trips. They do that the greeks are no The athletes stop. They always at the same table. They jump in front of you. That's a scam cut it out I'm gonna get y'all two scams for my senior year senior years at howard first of all And I think I said this on Part one of the hazing episode and jared might have censored me. Uh, yeah I'm gonna censor this because it's about to be a rant It's not a rant Now I will say there's some some instances where y'all greeks do force, um Um Those those who are online to do things on campus so that they can be I guess more involved But the way to be involved on campus isn't to start somebody out in sga It certainly isn't to whip votes Oh, she's talking about it Oh, she's talking about it A certain amount of votes so that your candidate who's online can be in the position of power in the next academic year Are you saying that the sga greek pipeline is a scam? It's not just it can be if if If you're making uh making it a point that somebody who's online who hasn't been in sga Until they've been online If you're making that a condition of them being a member because what I was speaking on was that it's in other orgs in terms of people Even before they even decide to be online and they get into eboards Of different organizations Just to be just to have a position of like oh well This is on my thing to show that I have leadership qualities even though within the actual org They're not doing nothing and then when it's spring semester The orange is basically dead and inactive because you're all your leadership is Currently under the foot and nothing's really being done And so the students that are members of the organization that actually wanted to do whatever the organization was about And contribute and this has even happened in the regional organizations like You know dmv aggies and things like that. And so it's like you don't even get What you were trying to get out of it because somebody else is trying to Further their career they build a coalition They build coalition within the coalition Well, what let me ask you about this then so what about athletes do they use their Access and their I guess their um position to scam Hell yeah What's an example of that? Like being in so I was an english major So I had to endure my own personal form of hazing by having to share classes with a bunch of athletes who are just in the class because they were required to take it And it's like i'm talking grammar and composition. It's not even that difficult And yet they're never there or someone's always asking to Use your homework The athletes were hazing you by saying let me see let me see that general last night They weren't they weren't hazing me, but having to deal with them In the class is is hazing because it's just like You're you're basically like how someone's at a job to just get a check. They're just there To get passed through it's like you don't you're not even getting anything out of this And you could really use all the grammar and composition And you know the teacher is kind of like You know, well, this is how it is. So I kind of have to deal with it And so that kind of sucks, but you know chat. What do you think about the athlete scamming and morgan because we're typically not good in I don't I don't know if I have that strong of opinion like laurel just said because I do In some cases that they're being scammed, you know Like someone you're talking about I was I'm saying that that can be arguable when you're talking about What they have to endure to be a collegiate athlete And that has happened over the past few years, especially in higher ed About what they should be paid or not, you know So when you're you know, and I understand and fully get what laurel is talking about in that sense because some You know, aren't they won't work hard or they'll use what they can and that's you know that culture um But you know, they have, you know, long nights and early mornings and Traveling for games and you know, so in that case It's like, you know, should they be compensated for more or are they only trying to do what's being done to them? That's a good point. That's a good point. I didn't even consider that as a potential scam, but it definitely is Let's round out. We also didn't talk about how uh coaches recruit To enable students who are more athletically inclined than academically inclined, but that's fine Well, you got to win. I mean, I understand I understand the point that you're making if I was talking to you I'm not um, but But it is and it is an excellent point It is an excellent point. I do agree Let's let's round out the conversation on this that we talked about all these forms of scams Have we considered the way that Campuses and not just hbc use but for the sake of this conversation. Yes hbc use the way that we scam the community I mean by the way students take over parking The way that we disrupt the neighborhood sometimes Um with just with our just with the the volume of our activity not because we're being loud and and silly But just the volume of people in the community That's a case by case do we think about but it's a trade-off because economic impact. Yeah, but I was going to say do you consider schools That are active participants in gentrification as a scam Have people actively um renovate the entire district essentially Surrounded that's surrounded copping and and rolled up buildings and homes So that the neighborhood looks prettier because it looked horrible Before we started investing in it like it that there is a trade-off there But can I can I ask a question? Sure Where where I mean just only to this point. I'm not saying that it happened or it didn't but where was copping before the the The the neighborhood went down What work was copping? I can't hear He was saying well, so how did the neighborhood go down to begin with if copping has has always been the anchor institution there? Um, well, hold on. It wasn't always that institution. It just became that And the and the neighbor went down because Baltimore City went down So but that's but that's why I say that I get to the point that may be some of our institutions in The communities are, you know scamming the community because you have to have your hand in the community It's imperative and so, you know, when you're talking about Um, you know drugs we have we have programs that you know deal with you know drugs community health and policy programs Then nutritional science programs that are we giving our students? Um internship opportunities and you know field work that can go into the community and do work in the community They'd be able to build it up. I think that's what if I'm not mistaken. Laura. Was that what you were referring when you called gw? Say again, is that was that what you were referring to like the the different programs and the different facilities that are That are coming into areas of washington when you called gw Well, I was more so speaking up to them high-key low-key quietly, but not so quietly buying up real estate and how At least a part of the city there and it's already pretty pricey and was kind of already gentrified By itself, but it's starting to bleed out into other areas, especially with that situation We had with um, Howard University Hospital and trying to buy the east campus hospital that's in southeast And just things like that where even Institutionally, they're not doing so great of a job at trying to diversify and actually support students And so now on an outward facing level I mean outside of the hospital, which isn't to my knowledge isn't directly connected to the school anymore from the admin side it's still not There's no real integration if that makes sense like there's no Like I can even say between being going to gw and then being at Howard Even though Howard could do more in terms of reaching out to the community. I could still say They're more in tune with it Some of the other schools in the dc area are And they'll use it, you know For like something in their brochure if they want to get fundraising and donors because it looks good But I feel like in practice. They're not really doing that great of a job at it um And so sometimes when Howard gets accused of supporting gentrification like it's deeper than rap like in some ways They you know, they can only do so much because they have to deal with dc zoning laws and All these other things and other property that they don't technically own and are leasing out And so it's kind of it's just complicated and but I I can say that it's not the intention behind it Isn't sinister not to mention the fact that you know, and this is actually to your point about Howard and katie's point about copping You can you can as an institution You know have a manifest destiny of sorts where you say we want to do this with the community But you're right. It is is up to the city council. It is up to the state if they say, okay We're going to allow that kind of zoning to go on here We're going to allow for that kind of business to spring up here Because when you look at other schools like a gw or umbc, they allow all kinds of development around the school They say a lot of different things can come there But when you're in a metropolitan area or you're in an economically depressed area, they say well, we're only going to allow But certain kind of businesses to come through We're only going to allow for certain kinds of housing to come through And if you want for your school to grow and develop And you want it to be an actual livable community that can be a hindrance So it's always a challenge when you have alumni and students say, oh, you're gentrifying the neighborhood or you won't stop the gentrifying Well, what do you want it to be? Like do you want it? Do you want it to be? Ran down Do you want it to be abandoned row homes? Is that is that your idea of a livable community? Is that somewhere where you would invest in staying as a student or staying as a faculty member or staying to build a Business around you can't have it both ways. You can't say that economic development is gentrification So, you know, it's a lot it's a lot to unpack. I mean, there's a lot of different layers to it Um, but it is to say that there's there's a lot of scamming going on in higher education and around and sometimes it's it's not Um, just the outward, you know, I'm trying to get over because I'm greedy Sometimes it's necessary for survival from individuals and institutions So glad we were able to have uh that conversation tonight in addition to the bonus footage on uh freak nick So thank you so much. Um, laurel, uh for hating on candy corn. 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