 The Cube at EMC World 2014 is brought to you by EMC. Redefine VCE, innovating the world's first converged infrastructure solution for private cloud computing. Brocade, say goodbye to the status quo and hello to Brocade. Okay, welcome back everyone. We're here live in Las Vegas for EMC World 2014. This is the Cube Silicon Angle and Wikibon's flagship program. We go out to the events and extract the signal from the noise. I'm John Furrier, the founder of Silicon Angle and Joe Mike Coho's Dave Vellante, co-founder of wikibon.org. We have a special guest here. Luciano Alamendi, CIO, I'll let you say it, please. CIO of the Bibliotech, the Vatican Library. Okay, so it was called the Bibliotech. I see you say it in Italian, it's always better when you say it. Yeah, the Vatican Library is the start of this particular project because the hour collection is full of 80,000 manuscripts and in 500 years of the story of the hour library, the library gives the chance to study only 20% of the hour collection. This is because it's very difficult and then four years ago decided to digitalize all the hour collection because the hour target is to give the chance all the word to read the hour manuscript because today is no more possible to take out the manuscript from the bunker. They give it to the person for read one because it's too precious, too delicate. The chance that we have, it digitalizes anything. They give this precious collection to all the people around the world. So you're digitizing. We start. We started. So when did you start and how long do you think it'll take? I know that here in the U.S. they started digitizing the JFK Library and I know that it's a long process. What's the estimation of completion? That it really depends on how many money we try to search in fundraising. For the moment with the hour resource, the project will be in 10 years. Now we use it 25 person on the workflow. This workflow provided for producer 1,000, 2,000 manuscript any more. That's so complicated because the Vatican Library decided to digitalize the manuscript in new and format. This format for the standard is a feats. This standard for long-term conservation is a project by NASA onto 78. And then it's important because this format is used only for astronomical picture. It's the first time that the same format is used for manuscripts. This is very strange because in one word where the technology is always at the top, the second possibility that we have is to save the manuscript in TIFF. TIFF is one format that created in 1992. The last update is in 1998. It's only 32 beats. For us, it's a terrible, you take the decision. It decided to a new one way with the feats. For us, it may be a new way for to start all the long-term conservation project. So who has access to these documents? Anyone is free. All the manuscripts that we digitalize will be free, will be online on our web. Anyone can need free access. So today, people would, or previous to this project, people would come in and request access to the document. They would stay in the library and read, but you say that it's too complicated, too slow, too much, too precious. Yeah, yeah, it's expensive. Yeah, okay. And then so you're storing all this, you're digitizing it and putting it on disk. Is that right? Yeah, in EMC Square Storage. That is an ICLON architecture. And then day after day, we implement our data center because with our pilot project, it's a pilot in any detail. It's a pilot for workflow. It's a pilot for a new format. It is a pilot for hardware and software that we use it. And I am enjoyed to work at EMC Square because we change several time idea. And then you stay together as we partner the same data group, together as because we will modify the way for you have the project better. Did you ever consider storing and digitizing on tape as a way to keep costs down? Why not? Why not because the accessible data is more faster. And then we realize a disaster recovery for copy, disaster recovery and business continue for you have another site that we'll be sure. And the management, the data on the disk, it's better for the management or the data on tape because sequencer read, the temperature is may be a problem on the tape. And there are days that more easy management. So simpler, lower cost overall in your opinion. Yeah, yeah. I think yes. What about the workflow? You mentioned the workflow. What other software is part of this solution? We worked for years for stabilize the workflow. Inside to the workflow, the human resource would be the principle of things because inside to the workflow, we take the person that manipulate the manuscript, that the restoration office that decide which manuscript can to be touched, in which device can to be used for acquiring the manuscript. There is very rigid procedure for stabilizing. When the manuscript is digitalized, there isn't too little of super-tutor that have checked the quality for to be storage in the EMC square machine. It uses the SRM system reserve monitor for monitoring any detail on the storage, on the BNAX, on the Atmos. That will be, I hope the next Viper will be given a big one help for us. So you've used SRM in the past, so now you're looking at Viper. Yeah, I hope yes. Okay, so when you see the whole talk about software defined storage in Viper, what do you think? What are your thoughts on that? Viper that will be a very good occasion for the data center people because can to be have anything in detail, any moment, you can understand what's made the Major Desk, which is the increment of the space. And today I see a scale like you. That will be very interesting because you can take this little piece of the space that remain several storage. That will be a new one thing that maybe we can use it for the future. Interesting, so in your use case, I would think object would be interesting, get or put a very simple interface, but the scale IO interests you not, so from the standpoint of using the capacity in a pool, but not block, right? No, but we have another parallel procedure that you can use at these spaces. The body of library asks for a sample space for a control check, a control gate in RFID, video camera control. Any of this information will be storage in another side. Can to be used, there's many information that will be deframmented. And that can realize that optimize the space inside to the data storage. Lucian, I want to ask you about the future plans and why Viper fit into those plans. Can you share the vision and then why Viper? I love the idea of Viper. I see the first time in a Lotus Management Center to Oxford Shire, Viper is a totally innovation because it's an open source, can have a different brand. And this is important because Viper can give the chance to use it at top level management. Very user friendly, what you have in down. That is a revolution. For me, I am oldest, I am just a unit engineer. Now, it's true, I have a system engineer, Unix. It's true you're Unix, but you're not old. It's very difficult to understand that it will be so easy moving file system from one way to another one. That's when I see that the view I'm where state is a changer. Now, no more the file system, no more the machine. Now move the data center. That is revolutionary for me and easy for the people that work on around in data center. Does it help up the stack? So above Viper, what are the things that's going on up top in the stack? So you have great flexibility. What are you doing for applications? For application, that will be a revolution, I think. That's because you use it 100% the resource for all that you have in down. You have another point of view. That is important because I remembered my story with the file system. I have peer-to-peer to compute the management. VMware, I have a second step to machine. Now with Viper, I have a point of view from very high level. That's, I think, that will be a revolution. So I have to ask you, what's it like going to work at the Vatican every day? I am fortunate to work in the Vatican. Yes, because the people, my boss is a very nice person and then can decide directly with him, it's so easy that we can investigate with the new technology or new project. He can decide if something's wrong, it's my fault. But if something is okay for all the community, it will be a new event. Have you met Pope Francis? No? No. Yes, he doesn't come to the library. You bring the books to him? Maybe so. How's security? Because I'll say this is a historic, 82,000 modern manuscripts. Security, both physical and inside the system. You guys look at that security piece heavily. We have a different level of firewall for security management over the data. And then we have also security level for the physical manuscript. I don't like me speak about the problem to policy of security. I prefer to be sure that, really not sure. I hope that no one that try to open the Howard systems. But normally I give all three. I don't understand if there is a reason for you have an attack on policy of security of the Howard system. So you guys get a lot of tourists in your part of the country coming and visiting. Beautiful part of Rome and other areas. Have you had any technical tourists? People who say, I want to come in and just visit your data center and look at the hardware. Why not? Why not? Do they come in? Do you get a lot of doorknobs on your door? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The out of the Vatican state. Can be possible, it's more easy. Do you arrange some tours? Yeah, yeah, yeah. A tour of the data center? This is a movie, just one more, just a movie. The reality is totally different. It's better. Okay, so I have to ask you, what is the most exciting thing that you've worked on this year that you could share with the audience at the Vatican library? What is, it could be something different and unique, the most exciting that you've worked on this year. Really, I hope that many things is important because the Vatican library, the target of the Vatican library is to cover the manuscript for humanity. And the people understand that this job is not for the Vatican library, but for the future, for the people, for the our dots. This is a message that will be come in any house. When the project will be handed, step by step, any day the people can see inside to the our web that incremented the number of the digitalized manuscript. This is open to all the people. Any people can flip the page of the manuscript. Really, we have a manuscript so important. We have the San Pedro letter, the copy of the New Testament. We have the original of the Vangelo from Luca, from Giovanni. We have Divina Commedia, original by Dante Alighieri. We have several things that will be wonderful. And saving it and preserving it in a digital format for all to have is really an amazing thing. Thank you so much. We're all blessed to have that luxury now of technology. It's one of the benefits, Dave, of the technology. And thanks to you guys and the EMC and Viper. It's been great. Thank you, Luciano, for coming on theCUBE. We really appreciate it. The gods are working down on theCUBE today and bringing us great content. Thank you very much. We'll be right back after this short break. Thank you, Mitu, for your help.