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So yeah folks tonight we're gonna do a little chats debate depends on how you look at it about DEI diversity equity and inclusion and if you've been following this at all in the news then you or I should say if you've been following it on X slash Twitter then you have seen a lot of recent stories about companies like Delta Airlines putting you know woke ism and racial quotas above the safety of their passengers quite literally and along with some other companies not just them some pretty much all of them at this point are buying into this what is a far left Marxist socialist communist you know however you want to say it based system and somehow it's now in all of our institutions there there's a video I'm gonna see if I can pull it up here let me see before I introduced our our crew here let me see if I can find this very quickly yes of course I lost it uh I'll pull it up here during our discussion but I'm gonna go ahead and pull these guys in that's scary everybody hello you're live on the air right now I've just told everybody what we're gonna talk about I've let him know it could get spicy a little trigger warning and uh I'll go ahead and uh well we have we have some special guests here and everybody I know you're all here I really would like if you had your camera on I mean if you have one you should have it on if you're in this I think and we're probably gonna start enforcing that here soon but uh right now at least we have some debate opponents so I'll go ahead and let it go forcing webcams part of our DEI program right so yeah we're gonna talk about diversity equity and inclusion or as I like to call it uh less or no white people um exclusion of white people and uh inequality of white people like the whole thing is seems geared towards essentially uh discriminating against white people uh to in order to prop up other groups and I don't think that's the way to go about it and uh we'll we'll see what everyone else thinks but just let's do a quick introduction of everyone we'll start with rw and then just go down the list hi i'm rw i'm part of the discord server and uh I enjoy being here for group cohesion and talking about uh whatever's happening in the world and figuring out different people's world views board up man me too atlas um atlas is somebody who has uh banned from the server recently uh for uh we'll say twice dubious yeah twice for I would say dubious reasons because I want opposition in here and uh we had a little conflict on that but I think that's over we've got atlas back it should be interesting welcome atlas thanks thank you for being accommodating too um I'm gonna step away once I get this introduction uh to see if I can accommodate your camera rule so okay cool uh that was that was my introduction okay cool now is your introduction so wait so that was atlas you you are pro de I uh sure yeah yeah we'll say I'll pro okay if you're calling also a pro yeah okay yeah okay grab your back uh forg you want to throw your throw your hat into the ring forg forg I know that you have your own uh things going on you want to talk about that at all before we start and what your position is I don't really know what the things that are going on are honestly but my my position is I am very much against it and I don't think it's anti-white I think it's anti-white and also anti-Asian um I can bring up some stories here I I wish we still had I should have done this I I was right up against the wall to to get on at eight o'clock so uh I'm gonna sift through and find all the stories here but we have Delta Airlines there's a lot of examples uh the CEO of Delta Airlines I believe said uh he's one of his his name's Scott Kirby he's a drag queen very uh which hey you can be a drag queen if you want I don't care about but it's weird that like these people who happen to be drag queens are all of a sudden like getting in these high positions it's it's paired up with kids like put that what's up with that um but so you got DEI or you got um you got Delta you got um ah man who is it uh CVS uh a bunch of stuff came out about CVS uh we have um New Mexico State University who they just got called out because they're having these AI special AI programs for engineering students but it's basically for everybody literally except for straight white men you can't get into it and the excuse that they're using is that it's because the field of AI has been historically underrepresented now just let me pose the question all of you out there right now what's the problem with that excuse they say that the field of AI is underrepresented historically underrepresented so that's why they have to exclude white men who are straight I mean I mean the problem would be that historical historically it's not a very long period of time exactly it's just it's an exaggeration it's an exaggeration in sentence yeah I mean well it's just they're just saying the words that they know they need to say to justify what they're doing there's also um some of the stuff I was looking at today uh that's happening currently is the state of Florida is is is basically getting rid of DEI um I've I've article brought up uh from the left basically stating that DEI is quoting DEI has become a popular boogeyman for republicans as they aim to turn academic institution into places of censorship and conservative ideology so that's kind of an extreme rebuttal against people that are not interested in what they're seeing because you know it's related to the debate topic it is in violation of civil rights so it's it's it's one of these topics that's definitely taken to extremes on both sides but what's interesting to me is that when you look at the court cases that are happening the court cases are ruling in favor of that it is a violation of civil rights and awarding it to the person bringing the case to the court all right so we have that from rw uh basically uh laying it down right there what do you think about that oh we got some new people too apparently um who is that I can't I can't read that name for incarnation texan d incarnation okay fellows did we got Atlas back yet does anybody uh want to chime in I'm here um logging on with my camera in just a second incarnation uh and texan d you're welcome to mic in at any time and just say if you want to do intro or not state who you are state uh if you believe that dei is a violation of civil rights or not it'd be interesting to see which side you've taken or if you've even taken one yeah I'd also like to ask has anybody seen the exchange between uh mark cuban uh elon musk and some other people about dei I've seen that cuban's names all of her x at the moment but I did his mark is mark cuban the guy from shark tank is he from shark tank I'm no the guy from shark tank is mr wonderful is that you're talking about uh I don't know I just know he's from shark tank I'm not sure no mark cuban is a guy mark cuban is a guy who owns a basketball team yeah but he was on looks like he's a guy on shark tank oh yeah he looks like he owns the mavericks that's mark cuban he was on shark tank and he owns the mavericks that's mark cuban oh okay well he's a big proponent of dei and uh he got called out and he he gave a real is anybody interested in seeing that I can I can uh I've heard his reply but you're more than welcome to post it uh one second I'll show you yeah I feel like this is like it's a great exchange because it really kind of highlights the issue here because um let's see here Elon musk here we go here we go uh so Elon musk mark cuban dei okay here we go here we go what so and I'm sharing you guys can see my screen if you click on that thing but uh so I'll just read the article an explosive turn of events on social media Tesla CEO Elon musk publicly shamed shark tank star mark cuban there you go I didn't realize you're gonna go for a rescue side dei in the workforce the debate was ignited by a post from billionaire hedge fund manager bill ack ackerman or ackman on x which lambasted harvard's dei policies musk so cuban who recently sold a majority interest in dallas mavericks but retained operational control of the team count which is interesting if you just think about that countered musk viewpoint with a series of tweets emphasizing the advantages of dei programs good businesses look where others don't define employees that will put your business in the best possible position to succeed cuban said let me see if this is actual here we go I want the actual twitter we live in a country with very diverse demographics in this era we must trust a business could be hard to come that uh business could be hard to come by people tend to connect more easily to people who are like them interesting having a workforce that is diverse and representative of your stakeholders is good for business and Elon he's responding to Elon musk who said discrimination on the basis of race which dei does is literally the definition of racism and so then mark cuban goes into equity treating people equally does not mean treating them the same yes that's a very deep thought okay i made the mistake for a lot of years thinking is everyone's like yeah exactly it's like equity is a core principle of business what like and that might be for business but like when we're talking about like the difference between equality and equity there's a big one and i pointed out before that like you know not even um um what's his face uh god i can't remember his name all of a sudden he's been out of the do so long uh who's a socialist uh bernie bernie sanders god uh bernie sanders even chooses and he was asked about equity versus equality first of all he at first didn't really know what equity was and then he had to kind of be reminded he's like oh yeah it's okay and he's like oh yeah equality is better i choose equality over equity so it's like right so these people quickly the definition of equity the state or quality of being just and fair that's the difference between equity and equality right which that's all very subjective first of all right all those things it's a communist principle this is like communist this is a communist kind of way of thinking it's kind of weird that it's suddenly like all over the place along with all this other sort of marxist inspired stuff but um he goes on put your plays in and blah blah blah blah and he goes real quick the tweet i don't think it's visible on youtube man they they stripped it well last ants is pointing that out in the chat and it's not visible really oh yeah i'm looking at youtube right now it's a big blank screen with us at the bottom oh because i have to like be on it that's so annoying who would have who would have i can't like scroll through it so i gotta do it this way where nobody like only the people watching can see sorry about that everybody i forgot about that i wonder if there's that's a setting i can change and discord so that when i'm not on the screen it keeps it keeps streaming anyway um uh list has arrived on camera thank you brother the policies well now we can okay hold on i want to um i want to read some of these replies to martin you know well now it's up on on youtube right it's because i i just moved it over i just moved it over instead of straight because when i'm like scrolling i can do that like for videos where i just leave it playing but when i'm scrolling i can't do it that way i guess um um so one of the ironic things about that right is that the mavericks aren't racially diverse are they no they're not and he and you know people point that out to him and he just kind of blew it off like oh i find the best people for the job it's like you don't understand what d i even is dude like he doesn't even these people support d i that that's what i'm getting to here is that these people support d i they don't even know what it is they don't understand what it is so like the we're here where elon musk says the airline industry can't find enough qualified pilots even without insane d e i requirements and then cuban comes back this is a training school once they graduate it's a multi-year process to have an opportunity to pilot for united since i'm a nice guy and i want to be fully informed hold on i had to open a different window here i'll share with you the benefit of 60 seconds i spent look for new program work blah blah and then so here we go so cuban's whole thing is that d e i does not uh under undermine mediocre meritocracy there are many examples like the attach that indicate the statement that that statement isn't correct d e i is not worth defending let's work together to pursue pursue colorblind mediocrity instead meritocracy i keep saying that uh so it's medical school acceptance rates i want you guys to see this damn it everybody can't see at the same time let me see if i just put the link so you guys can see it there you go that's the that's what i'm looking at so that's medical school acceptance rates by m cat score gpa in race ethnicity so okay so this is like i guess the percentage of per race and like the the complaints that they get positions with complaints and there's 28 european 43 african 36 latin 24 asian and i think they're saying that and then if you look at the actual acceptance rates black are the highest acceptance rates despite is this pre or post affirmative action this is 2013 this 16 this data okay and then his physicians disciplined european one percent and this is separate stats which i i believe he put the link to here he did and african 1.5 percent disciplined latin 1.9 percent and 0.8 asian so they're saying that like there's way more disciplined you know black and latin african and latin and then physicians with investigations 6.7 to 11 so yeah and all the so basically there's higher acceptance rates for these uh groups but then you look and then it seems like they're doing a worse job so i'm not sure based on what i've been experiencing on the web going through and seeing active court cases that are happening it seems like or you can go back to the example of of i don't i don't even want to say their names because it's gonna it's gonna make people go into the weeds but you have had a period of time where de i seems like it was being used to push out a certain demographic and allow other people to take those job positions by stopping them from getting the chance but based on court cases that are happening now that are still in litigation even companies are seeing that the supreme court being on a 6 3 lean towards conservatives they're losing the court cases so they're now trying to regroup and figure out how de i can be actually what de i is meant to be because it's the argument that i would believe would come from people that are for de i is that it's meant to actually create an equal workplace but the issues that are happening are examples of how it's be it's bastardized form of what it says it is um but it's i don't know any thoughts so so yeah you looked into it and you you found that what's happening so clearly de i does anybody let's just get this on the table does anybody disagree that de i de i by its very existence it has to discriminate racially against white people in asians no not not specifically white people i would i would say a majority of whatever whatever population is the majority at the time it would discriminate against whatever the like in china it would probably just discriminate against like on chinese in america that would discriminate for white people that'd be the pattern whatever the majority is so you think okay so you think if let's go you know 50 years 75 100 years down the road and now you know it's mostly it's a majority Hispanic you think that though that suddenly they would not that wouldn't apply to them i don't it's not gonna be hard years however long it'll take for his fans because at some point yeah at some point if the the data would change to whoever the majority of the time yes i would agree i would agree with i would agree with atlas in that you know de i and it's full in its current form i would say is approaching discrimination wouldn't necessarily call it already discrimination but it's approaching there but it's the concept and the science behind de i isn't necessarily that faulty and in that majority in in majority populations you'll notice a trend to favor the majority population over the minority population despite meritocracy being a thing so de i tries to avoid that it does an awful job at it but de i and in its nature is trying to avoid that very nature where you have a majority population being favored for reasons that aren't meritocracy what do you mean by favored there are always there will always be yeah there will always be some form of tribalism in human nature there's nothing we can do about it there's nothing so if you have a majority population say that's all white there will be a natural sentiment to be biased towards white people what does that look like what does that look like it could be as simple as not being exposed to people of other cultures so you have a natural a natural natural i don't want to say negative but you have a natural anxiety if you want to put it to her to somebody or people who don't know and who are different than you that is a natural and normal human emotion and thing to do so something sorry go ahead let me go ahead and put it in four terms all right you have a business you're a white guy and someone rocks up for the job and he's straight gangster and you have a bias towards him and if you know if you if you don't let meritocracy or the person's ability to do the job to outweigh whatever culture he's from then you're doing it wrong if you yes i don't know if i answered that correctly but there you go yeah no i would agree i would agree with that that that's now i also think you know from a society that the dog has a responsibility to make himself more approachable you know i mean but that that's that's that's that's you know a little bit further down the rabbit hole but but on a surface level um these sort of ideas these sort of societal structures are normal they happen everywhere in the world and they do exist and this is sort of where the idea of the i may have taken foothold even though its current application is is less than adequate less than i d i d i what's that that was d i worded yeah sorry i didn't hear go ahead for dick oh you said it was it's very well worded you very well worded is that what you said d w yeah it was forward politically worded in other words the way that you said it's like in other words in my bias i'm looking at it like damn they're really failing right now at doing the right thing and being good to people and you're just saying it's it's inadequate so yeah it's it's inadequate in its application because i don't think that government should be forcing these level of policies i think i i do agree with with mark cuban that it is good business for a company right unbeknown without government you know implications and this is how it should be done that companies do look at this sort of sort of thing that we see in societies and that they do find ways to recruit people of minority groups i think companies have a responsibility to do that it's good business wait it's if it's good business so why don't the mavericks do it the mavericks do do it i mean there's like people who play yeah they do there's like people who play on yes they do there's like people who play on who play on on the mavericks but what we're not going to compare disproportionately wait where is the stop we're not going to compare a professional sport right a professional sport which employees quite quite really not that many people yes it is wait so when you say hold on stop when you say professional sport when you say professional sport what does that mean well that is the mean to be a what does that mean to be a professional sport that is the that is the classification of the career that these people have chosen however what makes a sport a pro sport can you tell me what that is um well you are paid to do a job no no no no but something makes it pro professional right so you're being you're being paid cream of the crop it's the top no no that's not no that's not true you're being paid no that's not true you could be you could be a professional football you could be a professional football not just anybody can go apply and be in the mavericks you're missing the point of what i'm trying to say the word professional right in the sport it means that you are getting paid to do a job well you're being paid to play that sport so you can be a professional professional basketball at therefore they have to hire the best players so they can win let me finish here is it is a is a basketball player in b league a professional yes great well they're b league but that's right you're making my point right now really so my point is is you're making my point that there's two separate leagues because there's two different levels of of skill right but they're still perfect no one gets paid more person in the b league is still playing professional basketball right right but my point the point is is that they're going to put the best part like especially when we're talking about the mavericks they're going to put the best person for the job it doesn't matter about skin color that like makes no difference at all diversity makes no right and i'm not going to use sports it's mostly black sports is a stupid analogy right using sports is a stupid analogy it's not it's a perfect analogy it's actually a stupid analogy it's a stupid analogy because you're looking first of all you're looking at a very very very very very very tiny subset of the population very tiny subset of the population so it doesn't reflect the overall population in a very worthwhile manner i'm not talking about you're missing a point that's not the point the point no the point is that what that what that that team they want to be the best they want to do the best and diversity we the saying is that diversity is our strength diversity is not a strength when you're trying to be the best is it isn't it all right we're talking about so i think you're conflating you know two things one we're talking about titles so why is the NBA mostly black yes because you gotta give them a chance to answer yeah do you know how many professional basketball players are i get that no i get that i know i understand how many but no i answer my question that's missing the point to me that's missing the point that's not the point i'm making how many professional basketball players are currently employed oh it's a oh it's a tiny percentage of the population right maybe it's thousand so how many americans are currently employed hundreds of millions so if you're going to make a worthwhile comparison make a worthwhile comparison comparing a professional sports team to a corporate structure okay well i don't think that's right i have a response i have a response i have a response but i i'll respond after you join tech all right after me i'll make a quick so each corporation each company is a very specific right set of like they're looking for very specific people for a very specific job and the people they put in like they're looking for they're trying to do the best and be the best to make the most money and so if you're gonna put people in a position that they're not necessarily qualified for not the best to do that position but you're doing it to meet a racial quota then you're not going to have you're not going to have the best outcome just like i was showing that i'm just i was showing in that uh the data about the doctors anyway good sorry what i'd like to say is real real quick please aren't incarnation or do you want to respond real quick okay he moved it okay i guess i'll just respond they may be a small amount of the population but they have a hundred times the influence thousands of times the influence than a normal person does so a very very common argument against the left is oh what what about you know these little black girls that want to uh go into this profession and they don't have anyone to look up to what about a little asian boy who is watching the nba with his dad and he doesn't see an asian man playing for him they they have so much more influence than the more than the normal person does so the fact that there is small amount of the population it doesn't really mean much all right and if any parents let me like can i just can i just answer real quick to this what he just said yeah if any parent is telling their kid of any race that they have any shot of playing any professional sports they are being disingenuous irrespective of race saying you can make it in the nba to your kid is fallacious same thing with telling your kid they can be a mermaid i mean so saving that saving that you're going to promote more basketball by forcing an asian kid to play professional basketball and then you're going to tell an asian kid right hey look there's an asian playing in baskin professional basketball you too can be a professional basketball player you're being disingenuous to your kids like what about a little black girl she can become a mermaid okay let me ask you a question diversity hire is not done in in the afl and i mean you're saying it's a different category but it's still a corporation so on the corporate side of the nfl on the corporate side of the nfl there's definitely diversity hires 100% i agree i agree on the office side with diversity fires all all of the all of the places that surround a football team where most of the people are employed you're correct i agree with you but when it's on the field there's definitely a point that's made in the fact that they're not willing to diversity hire for their team because they will lose people who are on high tv you have hundreds of thousands of viewers and you can you can you can extract your you can spread out like companies professional athletes you're talking about literally okay it's not athletes let's say it's airline pilots let's say it doesn't matter if it's a thousand people great let's say it's no it does matter no it doesn't see what about airline yes it doesn't when they have such a big influence no it does not no it does not it really does matter because it's a time it doesn't when there are millions of people watching them there are millions of people watching them dude it doesn't matter for working in the nba they're not going to work in the nba it doesn't matter how much influence they have in terms of a workforce they can influence kid to play the sport but they're not going to influence them to become professional basketball players that is nonsense same thing with the mermaid same thing with the mermaid same thing with the mermaid like i don't understand why you're just great so the difference yeah exactly so i make them black or white they're a fantasy character yet the left push for a black mermaid or you know completely black watching a character like get off of twitter get off of youtube it's not a real reflection of the real world guys the same thing with dea school stylist your mic okay guys quiet for a second hey uh this is a real this is real life this is delta airlines they put out a document to their employees uh which included um the style notes okay for when they're writing this is for you know i assume people doing advertisements and things like that any sort of like journalism for delta they capitalize black and brown but lowercase white that that's just weird to me like this it's i agree earlier earlier you were saying that this is more about like uh your that's not about race it's just about the majority this seems oddly like specific and directed well because if you look at societies so if i a white guy were to go into china right i would be the minority so how i would be treated would be affected by the majority population this will apply this this exact thing that i just said here will apply to any society in which china and america are not the same thing chinese people are taught from birth to hate westerners they are taught from birth to hate westerners yes it does when you're comparing the two yes it does when you're comparing the two your only argument is it doesn't matter because they are different like that's what a comparison is you're comparing two different things or we're talking about companies in two countries that would be using the same dei platform right and lose uh what's your name not loose for uh i understand that whatever you're up you're saying that like so you're saying that if hispanic you're saying that once hispanic people become the majority america then it'll be white people getting those jobs but here's my thing is that it maybe things will change between that when that happens maybe things will evolve and change to get better but let's say it happened right now right now i think that everything would stay the same and they'd say oh yes but historical uh inequalities historically they'll say that for another 100 years and use it to discriminate against whites the non sequitur that's a non sequitur and you can't really use this in a debate it's really a non sequitur it's hypothetical but they do use that line of reasoning now they used it with the ai thing that no look uh the new york new mexico university said that they were scoop excluding straight white men because of the historic inequalities in ai for the ai program when ai has only been like a thing for how many years so if they're using that now and that's a perfect example of what i was just saying they they are they're they're proving me right so prove me wrong show me an example or somehow that work well i mean it wouldn't now because we're the majority so you probably can't but you know that kind of proves my point but like i said things might change between now that maybe the woke will stop being racist i i think we're getting off into the weeds i think we need to back it up to like what's happening right now and not probabilities or future occurrences well that is happening right now that is something that's happening right now when when you were using the example when you were using the example of the airlines do you know in that example how much it's affecting the industry or if they're or if they're creating risk by hiring people of less merit for the job yeah so yeah i'll have to find it here but apparently there's a lot of like uh pilots boomer pilots that are getting too old to fly and they're they're basically being saddled with these uh diversity hires that are not they're not passing their tests they're failing and yet they're still going on and they're being paired up with these pilots and these pilots are like once we quit once all these white men quit y'all are going to just be with these folks who all failed their tests and yet are we're allowed to go anyway for diversity and definitely try and drop that sport yeah also welcome to ava or vara or what i'm not going to say her whole name so what do you what do you call yourself thanks uh i don't know ava look it's vara it doesn't matter that's just a random name for this i got banned on my other account for uh gore and shocking content well thanks for not posting that in the server i appreciate that yeah well that's not what i post that says something about jews and they don't like that so uh here we go you want to weigh in at all on on the topic i can play the video for everybody if yeah i mean violation of civil rights or not you have any thoughts on that either direction yeah i think that i think that it is and if we you know really dial back appeal back what's going on and look under the covers there's definitely some subversion going on because you know look who look who invented airlines look who invented power and the internet and look who didn't you know and look at the countries where blacks have kicked the white people out or look at countries where blacks don't want white people in there or or other races you know and uh they're they're shitholes and i mean i like mexico we used to go there as kids but you know it's a it's a third world country pretty much and you know look at india and you've got these people getting these jobs and come into our country and trying to wash us out and that's the goal is to get rid of white people because we have influence and we usually stand up to people that want to come in and subvert our country you know look at how many times certain groups of people have been kicked out or asked to leave you know look at scandinavian countries that have majority white population their crime rate is extremely low and now you've got them flooding the countries with middle eastern immigrants black immigrants and the crime rate is soaring i mean this is this is by design you know it's subversion and why you know i don't know we stand up for ourselves we fight wars they want to take our guns they want to take our influence yeah you know how would you go in and take over a country you would wash out the people that would stand up and say no but uh that's the original subject dei is part of that version so i real quick let me just show this real quick to the audience and you guys if you want to see it if you join my screen tray you can see it but this is the ceo of delta and this what this is one of the things that was raising concerns because he seems more concerned first of all he's like a very outspoken drag queen and it's like that's like why it's just weird thing to put forward i don't know it's weird to me but um it's such a focus on skiing hiring i'm fine with pilots of any color i don't care but like just the idea that there are people of color that are getting the job just because of that is frankly i don't explain anyway skill issue it's a race issue is is alarming that's the problem volume is really low i'll i'll revisit your point that are that you need one second there's a wrong of course here we go you know everybody talks about nazis burning books in the 30s and 40s but they don't tell you what looks like they're working into the abate academy we have committed that 50 percent of the class of the classes will be women or people of color today only 19 percent of our pilots at united airlines are women or people of color and by the way from all the data i've seen that's the highest of any airline in the country white males don't just dominate in the cockpits also in the c-suite at united airlines well look united i'm proud of the diversity that we actually have in our c-suite i think if you look around corporate america correct me if i'm saying though so i this is just based off the website of people you list as executives but out of 11 people three are women i believe one is a person of color um that's correct um but you know in corporate america i think you know that's a low bar how do you raise your own bar well a lot of this is you know focusing on it we have uh programs like one of the things we do is for every job when we do an interview we require women and people of color to be involved in in the interview process bringing people in early in their careers um as well uh and giving them those opportunities and creating a yeah whatever individual don't even get the opportunity to innovate it seems that's that's my you know assumption so i just played that video real quick uh for the audience and he basically was saying right now only 19 percent of pilots are people of color diverse or whatever and that all the rest are white males and they're like oh what are you gonna do to get that down lower like what like it's a situation where being white becomes a detriment to you like whites become why are we in a rush to do it why why should that over represented i think blacks make up a smaller percent of the american population they do they make up a small percent but they also make up the largest percent of the crime let's get into that let's not get into that let's that's atlas what do you think i'd like to bring up i'd like to bring up uh or at least if you want to go but i'd like to bring up a very good example of failing de i but at least if you want to go first uh by please do i got an example too but you'll go ahead i don't know go ahead i've talked more than you have i'd rather hear you to be honest that's fine i was gonna bring up the skull effect those are rare what that is uh then this weirdo tried to go on but now he's medro me nuts uh who's who's the next file so you want the next one yeah next files love it yeah you see next files right of course you ever heard of the skull you heard of the skull effect no i haven't you've not i don't think so why don't you google it i mean you're googling everything else why don't you i'm about i'm about you so it's um women who regularly watch x files are significantly more likely to have considered going into stem career major in stem field college and worked in stem profession that was this not a negative benefit to or how's how's how's it's not a benefit to society by highlighting a woman in a stem field where it's not necessarily combat role that she does right she's in the lab well she's investigating right right well i'm not against that at all i think that's great actually and i would say well no the problem the problem that we're having here and this is my biggest issue is that we i really want to ask how would you feel about a sign like a donut shop right that said out front that said like blacks need not apply or that said uh obviously how would you feel with it well why is that wrong because that's that because now we're selecting for race right but i'm only picking a historical example that people have already done right like this the problem isn't d e d i the problem is how is it applied right and when we originally talked about this talk about how it breaks up the predominant uh it breaks things up from getting stagnant even when i joined this channel right you guys jokingly talked about how you guys needed more diverse uh combatants in here to keep things from going stale okay i wasn't joking how how is the how is the scully effect an example of d e i and in fact i would say that the scully effect actually real quick i just want to sit there that ex files d i right i would say that like that actually proves there was a time before before the woke uh supremacist movement where women were role model were in stuff and we're role models and like we're before she was in it was not right there wasn't anything to go on the reading the article it talks about it talks about the increase in both the fbi and other stem fields right it's simply the fbi yeah yeah okay i don't see how that's d i though yeah i don't i don't either but i don't see that i see where you're getting at but yeah yes i don't take you had you said something here right you said something and i will i want to point on it it wasn't hamfisted in and i 100 percent agree with you right i 100 percent agree with you the way di is applied it's very hamfisted it's very down your throat and it's a very rewarding for things that shouldn't be rewarded i agree with you the only the only the only thing i will say on that right is on that standpoint we as a society however do i want to say responsibility but it's in our best interest to recognize that there are talents in minority populations that likely right based on fairly accurate statistics get less opportunities by the mere fact that they are a minority population they will be biased towards the majority that's not true that's not true could i give an example could i give an example real quick could i give one example Asians are a minority population and per capita they get accepted into colleges more whites get accepted less than Asians in colleges yet they're a minority population real quick i want to welcome son this all and uh uh regular debater average sorry just call me Tyler dude it's fine yeah a lot of people hear this oh yeah go ahead son so i'll go see no i just want to say yeah no okay so like i think a better example this is something that was just going over with my chat um because i was looking into dei because i've heard very vague things both positive and negative about it right and that seems to be the overwhelming majority of the information out there on dei is that it's very very vague as to what it is and what it's seeking to accomplish and through what means i appreciate you going over the content or the top of the content with your chat buddy it's awesome yeah um so here here's an example that i know of off the top of my head that why like dei might be a good idea right like making sure that there is some level of diversity in a workplace um i believe it was either canon or kodak it was some camera company i believe this happened in the early 2000s right um and i think that there was even a uh business psychology uh theory put out about this i can't remember the name of it i apologize but essentially this is what happened they had a camera that had uh facial recognition software so that it would focus on uh the face no matter how far or close it was to the camera right and right before it goes to market um they realize holy shit this camera doesn't recognize black people faces right this cameras has been in development for you know like five years we've put all this work into the algorithms that recognize the faces but it doesn't recognize black people why the fuck did this happen and they realized yes they realized that the the team was testing the the software on pictures of their family or using the cameras on their family right but they were almost all white or asian workers at this office so because they lacked that bit of diversity in their uh in their workplace they actually had like lost a fuckload of money because it was right before it was supposed to go to market um they lost off yeah go ahead it's an interesting example because it's a very physical example of diversity like it was literally the color of his skin and nothing to do with his abilities or his cultural experiences and stuff like that well i mean like i understand your point but it's just such an interesting right and i can and like i can agree with you that like this goes against like the the part of dei that i would like to see actually happen which would be the um you know merit based things and then like after that however the fuck things happen i was just trying to like look through or find some like specific details about a dei program it doesn't seem like there are any specific details about any of these things you like have to either uh once you dig you'll find it's a big the programs the programs are almost always like linked to you know like ibrahim x kendi and uh that that woman who wrote white fragility and all those people it's all like race theory stuff i'd also like i'd also like to add right that i am i'm i'm at least for me where i live right there is a tax-based incentive to diversity higher and and for me it could be a market-based incentive to diversity higher much like much like uh son son sonsel sonsel pointed out right there is there is a market value here for a company to be diverse i don't like it however when the government comes in and says hey we'll give you a tax break is if you have so many minorities on your staff because that's where it starts to break down because now they're not hiring for uh i mean they're hiring for profit sure but they're not hiring for market profit they're hiring for tax breaks and they'll hire anybody and then it doesn't become a meritocracy anymore it's using money to push can i jump in and i'm a little late late to the party so let me know if i'm discussing something you guys already went over first off atlas this is my first time seeing you with a camera you look beautiful today oh i'd smash console what's up i haven't seen you since i want to say we did debate one for the r at the republicans on wicks panel that's the last time i've seen what's going on so two things one to one comparing the white and black demographic is a huge issue that people often bring you cannot compare these two demographics i made a big long hour long video about when you're looking at the two demographics just based on race you're looking at a very young median age of the black demographic is in the 20 the which is the most common age i should say i don't know the difference between median mode and whatever so the most common age of a black male is in his mid 20s which is right in the general age of committing crime having higher car insurance all sorts of different things come from having a younger demographic so to say that there's less opportunities per capita when you just compare the two different racial demographics obviously you're going to see white people making more money because they're more often 50 years old which means they're more educated and have more work experience things like that so it's just i would say you can get some good numbers from there just be careful when you assume the two when you compare the two demographics like that there are a lot more smaller factors you're overlooking that could potentially lead to those disparities besides just a lack of diversity secondly can you turn the sensitivity on your noise gate down because you're the beginnings and endings of your words are all cutting out it's a little hard to follow on my bed it's my thumb actually i'm pulling off too soon okay gotcha yeah yeah yeah so yeah i'll just say that there's a big amount of disparities between the black and white demographics or just comparing them as a one-to-one it leaves a lot of room for other things that you're just looking over when you're assuming it's just a lack of diversity then also understood at the diversity point we see with affirmative action and getting people into colleges when you start to get some of these other groups in the colleges based off the skin color you start to see like okay so let's say some black kid from the inner city scores and 1200 on his SATs need a 1400 to get into Harvard but they let them in based on diversity the chances of that person flunking out of substantially higher so we actually see this push for diversity in terms of education failing because you're putting people that are not at the level for a Harvard level education into Harvard or Cambridge or whatever these high esteemed Ivy League institutions are and you're setting them up for failure by pushing them too hard too fast not saying the effort is in the wrong place i do like the effort and i'm going to probably disagree with drone tech on the idea behind diversity equity inclusion but i will say some of the results haven't been ideal can i interject quick go ahead out let's go ahead i think i just want to point out i think my the biggest negative to dei programs is that they usually come in the form of my opinion they come in the form of like HR departments and private like there's not really much there and there shouldn't be much training from the government to how to like enforce these things and in the court as we're like seeing now is kind of parsing out how like in a part of birds some students are actually yet like they are they are discriminating against other people based on the color you know against white people and people do go to court and they do win even if they are white right like i think that the because the language is loose on around civil rights and how we how we apply because because our population changes right we got it we got to anticipate for the future i think the problem comes is when people start to like build training materials on how to discriminate and they fail when doing right when really most materials that you kind of see publicly available are about more about awareness and and helpfulness and you know trying to make sure that you're you're not you're you're actively not selecting for another person by their race right like they're they're they're to remove bias not gain bias and the biggest problems happen is when the training you know fails and that's like that's not a huge problem but so can we all agree here that the ideology behind diversity in a workplace is that minds from different cultures are going to be able to think of something that you wouldn't because you haven't had that type of experience in your life that's part of but it also folds in with the equity part in that if everybody came from a fair starting field you would already have that sort of diversity and the fact that we have historical injustices against specific groups mean you need to give some groups an extra leg up in order for them to meet so the equity folds into in order to have diversity you need to have right but that logic is so flawed and can really like spiral in on itself pretty quickly i think and especially if you i always like to think if you take humans back to the starting point where we're all starting from the same spot right there's still like inequities between people for different reasons and maybe you know maybe they're just uh having to do environmental or maybe they're you know personal i don't know there's always going to be some sort of difference between people and i don't think i mean that's why we've chosen equality over a communist state of equity at least up until this point i don't think communism as a former communist communism is not about equity okay i'm sorry yeah that probably isn't uh correct i equity is was it marks was is equity on marxist i don't i don't think so no i've looked at this before it actually is kind of hard to nail down let me be like more like honest it could be like a a later you know it's something out of like a for a later marxist you know well let me just say this marxist and socialists and communists all seem to really like equity so i have a question say that well that's who is promoting equity who who are the people promoting equity it's all far i agree it's true those who don't have it usually those who promote that's not sure it's mostly white rich liberals i live in a neighborhood and they all promote it that is not true i while we were most philipina most mexican households philipino households most black household or not most black households i apologize but a lot of them are conservative and don't agree with this especially like mexican and philipino households mostly and i pointed out myself that i pointed out myself that uh that um uh bernie uh doesn't support equity he supports equality which is kind of my point that bernie is pretty far left guy and even he doesn't support equity okay really quick is not true that it's mostly white people all right um let me just find it right here really what's not mostly white people i think that i all agree with what he's saying because i'm just a lot of minorities that are allowed in to these ivy league colleges under the dei principles are brainwashed with leftist ideals and they also promote that i i don't understand how it can't be mostly white people considerably make up most of the population that would literally just make sense right that's true right i would argue i would argue however the reason why there are so many uh foreign students in universities is not because of dei and it's strictly because of capitalism because universities charge those foreign students a fortune so it has nothing to do with diversity or anything it has everything to do with money there's also going to be some amount of prestige for being seen as like an international school rather than like a local little hinky dink college town so like that'll also be a factor into it really quick i'm just going to read a very quick paragraph of some percentages more than half of workers 54 say their company or organization pays about the right amount of attention to increasing dei smaller shares say their company or organization pays too much attention 14 percent or too little attention 15 percent and 17 percent say they're not sure black workers are more likely than those in other racial and ethnic groups to say their employer pays too little attention to increasing dei uh they're also among the most likely to say focusing on dei at work is a good thing 78 percent of black workers say this while white workers are the least likely to express this view 47 percent that's why i didn't say per capita that's why i said most yeah just the fact that there's primarily five times as many white workers as black workers just based on a per capita i didn't say you said 79 percent of black workers and 79 percent of whatever are the other demographics that's per capita can you send me the article please 20 percent of white workers make up more than 100 percent of black workers just flatten them just because let me show you this article too yeah i mean we're not talking about per capita of black or white people or percentage of them this is uh at least that's not weird what we were talking about earlier this is a national nationally representative uh survey of 5902 us workers um including for yeah so this isn't per capita yeah well if you say percentage is per capita if you take your exact numbers and spread them out over the entire united states 49 percent of white workers are just more black more white people in mass than black people that exist in the united states like there's things like 25 percent of white workers are a bigger mass of people that all black people in the united states workers are not so even if 100 of black workers were for dea and a flat rate 21 percent of white workers is more than 100 of black workers if you want me to clarify i'm sorry but it said that you said that mostly white people support this and that black people and hispanic people are more conservative and they disagree with this but this is saying that 78 percent of black workers say this while white workers are the least likely i took away the black part after i took away the black part he said filipino yeah yeah okay uh if you want me to clarify i i meant mostly like mostly white people vote for democrat mostly white people vote for republican but they're in terms of the percentage of white people and black people yes it could be different so i'm on their own group real quick and i have it up for the audience in 2021 in total us uh companies increased uh us work forces by 323 000 people and of those 20 000 were white workers the other 94 percent were people of color which i hate that term because white people are not void of color and it's weird how it's like basically everyone in humanity with white people like out on their own it's like separate from the everybody else anyway that's just another weird thing about the language used with that but uh what do you what do you think about that is that a good thing i mean can you can you repeat that sorry i was reading a dm from it's uh this is from bloomberg it's a bloomberg article they said in 2021 in total they increased uh us work forces by 300 companies increased us work forces by 323 000 uh people in 2021 and of that 20 000 were white workers 302 570 were 94 were people of color i i would want to look into that more because i i have laid out that i have laid out that so i would want to see the article but i'd also like to see as part of that stat right if we're going to go look into the agros of the stat i'd also like to see what kind of jobs here um they're using for those numbers because if we're talking about minimum wage jobs then you've got a really clear idea right so that's what i want to see i was going to make that same point incarnation made as well in incarnations 100 if you're talking about and white people being an older demographic we are not going to work a low-skilled labor job when you're 50 with an education so i just like this look more into that statistic that doesn't sound very right to me yeah i mean it sounds 100 right to me younger demographics are going to take low-skilled labor jobs much more often so if it's all like service industry jobs that don't pay very and you got a lot of unemployed young Hispanic black non-white people basically because white people if you look at census repopulation rates over the last like 50 white people are repopulated at a much lower rate than their population size by almost half as much so yeah immigration to that sorry yeah well legal too i got four i'm doing my part no look i i just so we're clear here i i am not against like every group getting jobs and everything all right i'm what i'm worried about is this push for equity actually turns into like i said it's a systemic racism against white people that people have in their heads is actually a good thing and that's why i pose the question so is dei a violation of civil rights and there are a lot of lawsuits going out against companies rw did some research earlier if you want to tell you about it uh basically finding that these corporations are now amending because they're getting sued now they're amending the language of these things which is interesting because the way they're they're trying to get around civil rights basically it's almost an acknowledgement that they know that they're gonna have to do that in order to achieve this isn't that a good thing a corporation adapting to the changing climate to the changing labor isn't that a good thing like isn't that what you want depends on whether it depends on whether it's a good idea or a bad idea if they're adapting to it is it bad is it bad to violate our civil rights atlas well what you're saying is people are going to court right in the united states and they're winning lawsuits and the companies have to change the language if they're hiring practices right and so i don't see they're getting a problem because i see a system self-correcting and i i see a problem because it's a verbally but it's not correcting at all i see a problem because they're conforming to something that isn't right literally just said they're right they're conforming to something that's bad like they're amending the language correct the question is are they doing it because they ideologically ideologically believe something different now or are they just changing the wording so that it's no longer illegal illegal so i want to i want to i want to i want to i want to speak on what atlas is saying right like i mean the laws we know today may be a hundred years old right and they may have been adapted over the over the changing over the change of society and it's always this tug and pull sort of thing with laws as they get pushed they're too hard they get pulled back and then they find a happy medium where they seem to stay for a long time so what atlas is saying is correct and this is what we want out of our justice system in our legislation system is that if there is too much of a push the the the principles or or in this case constitution is able to pull back on the severity of those laws and and have them have them you know have companies or the population fall in line more with what the constitution is and you have to expect people will push the lines of what you can do and can't say and that's why you have these structures that allow them to be pulled back and say oh this is too much it's just this takes time this takes years this takes this takes like you know kids to to be fully seen through to to see and then in that in that time we have conversations like this and that allow these these legislations to eventually find the right path there is what you know the majority of the population seem yes and no because there is the example of uh when trump was when trump ended a certain practice of DEI in federal government and then when biden got back in he revoked that so then it went right back in that in that instance it's no longer a back and forth court issue among society it's just like this is what we're doing the federal government now it is though because you're talking to changing presidents we're elected by people i want to elaborate on atlas's point a little bit because i think he's on to something a little here um essentially the pendulum swings in different political direction and it swung too far lawsuits were filed the systems autocorrect think of it for instance uh trump putting six republicans on the supreme court they overturn row with the dobs decision and then it's left up to the states to do what they want and some states passed some pretty moderate policy others went way too far lawsuits were filed and now we're seeing the 50 state experiment where um abortion policy that everybody could agree on is eventually going to be the end goal we just have to get there through legislation lawsuits and etc that's kind of what's going on with DEI right now is dumb leftists got their hands on someone of a good idea and they went way too far with it and they got sued and they started using it for anti-white anti-western shit which was what left us do and now that they've tainted and it has a bad taste in its mouth when you think about it but there really are some good core things that come out of DEI on its inception that i feel like if we really dove into the actual definitions everyone would be like yeah you know what i i understand and agree with that so my question is like the way that i would be kind of reasonable yeah what i want to know is like what it seems to me is like DEI is a broad concept of a type of um a kind of uh schema that you can put into policy and you can kind of choose what kind of policies you're going to enact from it and you can decide how far those policies are going to go so like the DEI itself isn't necessarily bad but the way that some people are implementing you know some of these concepts into policy is what is so irritating to everyone right i think DEI is bad by its by its very undefinition because i don't think diversity is our strength i think it's a big weakness i mean there's some there's some stuff to unpack right there like do you think that it's a bad thing to have you know like white people and black people and asian people all working together no that's a very neutral thing for let's say you open up a business where it's grabbing things off a really high shelf and all you have to hire a bunch of chinese people would diversity be your strength to hire one black person uh listen yeah me exists okay yeah me exists i don't know there are lots of talk about the are tall here's the thing is that diversity i could restate my point where i yeah it can be positive neutral or bad but most of the time i think it's neutral especially when it comes to hiring different people i think it's neutral in most fields besides like you know what you brought up other like facial technology stuff like that yeah but the focus on just a very short thing here right just a short thing here is like you don't know what you don't know until it becomes a problem right that's what happened with that camera company right they didn't know that they were missing out on that aspect of you know the development of their technology until it became a really really big problem for them and then it was basically too late now we have to you know scale back our operation you know redo some stuff and then we can try and release it so like you don't know what you don't know it depends but sure yeah i can agree on that i want to say something real quick too i also think that you know these these programs unfortunately are not cognizant of what i like to call culture shock right and it's when you have an established culture and then there are a different sort of there's different cultures that are being not only not they're being forced upon you know the current established culture of a workplace and it's not necessarily happening organically right so it's like you you have 20 employees and then all of a sudden you add five or six more employees well it's going to change the dynamic irrespective of race it's going to change the dynamic the dynamic of the culture of the company right now add more variables to that different cultures different language people who speak differently there's accents there's there's there's a ton of different variables and and you can force what i like to call a culture shock within you know even society with with you know immigration from i would say wrong places compared to your your dominant population and also in companies being forced to hire by diversity which could create a a rippling effect of culture shock throughout your your company so there's both good and bad it's subjectively good and it's objectively bad okay so can we all agree can i can i all right so let me just get a quick round of hands so is de i as it's currently being implemented and the people that are driving it is it a violation against civil rights yes or no it can be yes in most cases yes in most cases yes when leftists get their fucking hands on it absolutely that's it that's it so okay so i think i can even agree on i'm gonna i'm gonna quickly agree that i could agree with de i uh on some level i could i could come i could agree with you on that because i'm for diversity i am i want all of us to work together and but i think the i agree with you the way it's being implemented is counterproductive the entire thing as you have a divorce it from critical race theory to then i believe say what you're saying to agree with it well because you're attaching i don't understand why they use the word equity i think that like equity is just forced forced diversity equity has to involve quotas equality does not the exact same stuff is being talked about in england they just replace the word equity with equality well well we we can't just do that you don't want to just replace the word because those are two very different things right but like what like if we're like hinting the entire thing on equity like some people would see this as equity some people would see it as equality right like i think it's like stupid to focus like so heavily on one word no i don't think it's stupid at all i don't think it's stupid at all because well it's because we're assuming that we're using it in the correct manner unlike what did you say england who is using equality in the complete wrong way i'm they're well how do you know if you don't even know what policies they're kind of stupid yeah listen i i'm not going to sit here and knock dog on the british okay but yeah like i i guess like i just i just want to say that the definition of equity real quick is the quality of being fair and impartial which is weird that sounds like equality that's different than what i do but the quality isn't necessarily fair or impartial anyway uh the value of the shares issued by a company yeah that's see that's people people i think mostly think that they think oh i've heard okay let me ask you guys let me ask you guys this then all right like this is the first example before we even started looking into anything right diversity equity and inclusion right um i have extremely bad adhd i am a non-functional human being if i'm not medicated i can't focus on fucking anything it really sucks uh when i was in grade school from i have adhd yeah it fucking sucks doesn't it um when when i was in grade school there was a program i don't know if this is all over the us or if this is only a texas thing but there's a 504 program right and what that means is okay we recognize that you have this thing going on right you have adhd you have dyslexia you know whatever the fuck um we're going to put you in this program it means that you have a little bit extra time for your homework because we know it's really hard to focus um it brings you up to par with like other people that just like naturally have the ability to focus um is this about awesome that's awesome right so i would be fine with getting better education for low-income neighborhoods where more black people usually live i think that'd be awesome too yeah so like there's it seems like everybody agrees there are some aspects of dei that are good but i think the problem is is that everyone seems to have a differing level of like uh how much they understand is good or bad yeah well it's i i think the workforce and the um you know grade school are two very different things well let me ask you this let's say that there's a person that has so quickly you have two groups here you have everyone here that has their understanding of dei and you have all the workplaces that have their flavor of how they're implementing dei sure not happening organically yeah um let me let me ask you this when it comes to the the workforce just because um i'm not looking at the camera so i don't know who said it um let's say that there's a person that is a really good um like programmer but they have auditory like they're uh whatever like connects their ears to their brain this is a thing that happens in lots of mental disorders lots of logistics yeah uh yeah like you have like an auditory processing disorder right so it's hard for you to understand what people are saying unless you like take it really slow but you're a really good programmer do you think that we ought to like have some you know policies in a workforce that allow people with you know issues like that do actually work get all their stuff done and thrive in the workforce right whatever um accommodations we need to give to them right so that i i like that question and i there's a few things to unpack first off um yeah if if they're performing just as well as other developers sure but i wouldn't hire them just based on the fact that they have problem with hearing and we don't have enough people in our in our company who have problems with hearing and so you know we we need to make sure that our place is very diverse sure i can agree i will never agree with anything that is a quota-based system we have to have this many asians we have to have this many whites we have to have this many blacks i'll never agree with anything that's quota-based right that's what's happening in our and that's what's happening in many colleges i i can't say much about the workforce but i i do know that that is happening i i can't say if it's happening in most workforces but i do know it's happening in a lot of different companies i think that's what's going on but i might be wrong so i mean yeah here's the question about uh i want to say about guys everyone stop yeah someone's trying to ask me a question and i'm the most i just want to yeah i just want to say something there's one thing that we can all agree on okay the biggest right example of fail dei policies right within hiring is our governments and our bureaucracies right you want to see the ultimate failure that look to your government look to the people who are writing the legislation your bureaucracy has been forced to shit for the last fucking 20 years they hire people based on quotas because they have to right because they're the government they're a public figure they can't they can't discriminate and it has created a massive financial burden on our our countries simply because we need to accommodate a lot of people it to me that is the biggest glaring example of of failed dei example where yes i agree the government has to hire diversity however it being forced especially in positions of high power right um can you give me an example of that because i i've never heard that happening in our government okay we're talking about like the dps so we're talking about yeah look i'll give you a great example i live in canada we have two official languages we have two official languages in canada right just to say real quick so there are people in high-level decision-making positions in the government who have been appointed to that position not because of merit but simply because they speak french and it creates that's gay like anus america yes and you have this and you have this in american american bureaucracy as well they'll hire somebody from a person of color who's not as well educated simply because they have to show face they have to show that they do it and that for me is where the failed policy where it fails and you see it it's failure in your governments okay immediate counterpoint real quick yeah immediate counterpoint about that jump in real quick yeah immediate counterpoint to that don't you think that like having someone that is a native or like extremely fluent speaker in a language that is not the predominant language of the entire country might be a really important thing especially in certain like that's a good point merit will never make i could be the best hold on no merit oh okay so it is a merit so that language is a merit okay yeah okay so why are we saying it's not why are we saying that they're being hired simply like let's talk about let's talk about hiring french you know because let's say let's say that there was a percentage of people in canada that speak french the majority of them from Quebec what it would and let's say that if they want to hire like a certain percentage of french speakers they have to take into account the fact that there's going to be a big percentage of french speakers that don't want to work for that position and so and when you discover that oh no we're not be able to meet that target they'll have to lower their standards just to meet that target so that's the problem i had with trying to we're trying to put a quota to try or trying to hire someone because they want to achieve that something when in fact you have a big percentage of that amount of french speakers that don't want to do that job they want to have their own lifestyle that is not involving government they want to be comedians they want to work at the car industry then why would they work for the government why would they apply at the government if they don't want to work for the government because the government as an example here right is a very good pay and you get to move up a lot or quickly as a french person in within bureaucracy no matter where you are in the government you feel like we're getting to a completely different topic i'm just giving an example because this is an example of fourth dei this is this is in our charter in canada that we have two official languages so this is mandated as it would be in your constitution if you had a a an official language and you didn't have the first amendment right so so so this is an example of of dei that's being pushed too far okay so i just i i really just want to ask this question okay let's say that i would say that speaking french probably is a merit like people have been saying like let's imagine like i'm the world's best social worker i'm really good at making sure that people get all of the stuff that they need right but i only speak english and there's a huge segment of the population that does not speak english now those people are fucked because all of the people that are really really good at helping out the french uh speakers right because there might be some language uh like barrier there not just that we speak different languages but even like google translate isn't going to give you a perfect um translation every time different connotations with different words etc etc wouldn't it like probably really important to make sure that people are getting the uh well i'm gonna say that because you mentioned about the merits of inspiring french speakers well here's the thing french speakers are a minority of the population and you have to take into account the fact in canada there is gonna be a big percentage of french speakers that don't want to go into those positions in governments and so when you have to are french really the minority of the population in canada google yes yeah of course they are there is only one province that speakers really french speakers in canada yeah it's going to be Quebec 38 million people who live in canada there's probably six to seven million french speakers oh okay seven point two million uh 22.8 there you go atlas so one fifth of your country speaks yeah so a fifth of your country speaks a different language and you guys don't think that it's probably really really really important to make sure that people who need services from the government get that get that um get those services from someone that is able to understand the yeah i don't think you should you should compare skills to skin color can i can i reply to this this is a language it is wait wait it is a point i would like to apply for this okay okay so i do 100 agree with you if if the if the the public sector has a public facing job in which you know there is a government agent or worker that is expected to interact with the population and in that population there are people who are french and want to be served in french the government has an absolute responsibility to meet that demand for their population the difference however comes in to decision-making positions so managers of entire government branch who have been put into a position because they have some french employees and they need to make sure that they can communicate better to the 28 of the employees who are french rather than the 70 of the fucking employees who are working right so you create this this this this hierarchy problem in which people who are under qualified right speaking french is a qualification however being educated in the right matter and having the right experience is is a better qualification and not to be waiting with a much higher uh a level of of um the scrutiny if you want to put it that way then you know being able to speak french in a decision-making company a position you consider that to be a skill based think about literally any job ever okay like i could be trying to apply for fucking mcdonalds right now right through i live in i live in houston texas i could apply for mcdonalds right now and i would probably lose out to someone that has the exact same qualifications but also speaks spanish or i could even be way more qualified and have experience as a fucking grill cook right but some of that speaks spanish might seem a little bit more uh you know like a better fit for whatever store i'm applying for because there are going to be customers that come in that speak spanish can i just um say something um well here's the things what you said like hiring french speakers you know just for the positions like in those government ranks like the thing the fact is if you're gonna have to hire french speakers okay all right i'll do that look if you have to look if you have to hire french speakers to be able to pop those government positions you have to they also have to speak english and what if you hire someone that is a french speaker but has very bad english skills or have no english speaking skills at all like what is the consequence of hiring french speakers if they don't hire those who speak english no you know what here's i'll give you an example i'll give you an example i'll give you an example there's two people who are working on oh just give it up there's two people who are working together on an assignment one of them is predominantly french and has a very broken english the other one is english and speaks no french and these two have a file in which the you know there's obviously a bigger file and of that file to to the it's been delegated certain responsibilities and they have to work together so first towards diversity forced the diversity in this instance has created a backlog a massive a massive breakdown in communication these people can talk to each other and the ripple effects of that is that now there's an hr grievance and now they've got to look into this and all it's how far the manager you're stating extreme how often is that extreme because i work in in the situation where you can figure it out because you speak enough of the other language how often is the extreme word like you can't even figure it can i ask how many how many let them respond okay so so in this instance where in the the public sector majority workforce of the bureaucracy has now shifted to a working at home situation a government branch based in audible where i live which is where the majority of the the government had offices are is hiring somebody out in alberta right because they're an easy hire and they want to position and they need somebody to fill the position right however there is a structure within the hiring in government which in which managers get paid a bonus for hiring for diversity so this manager says great i've got my english person now i'm going to hire somebody from kebec who refuses to learn english and will also refuse to communicate in english because i need to fill a diversity quota i need to fill a spot extreme though that's like that's like an assumption no no no no no this is how the hierarchy works once you leave the union of the government you're now in a manager position you now get bonuses right based off of certain kpi's one of those kpi's is diversity hiring i understand but but that doesn't mean that the person that speaks french has to have no idea what english is like that's an extreme assumption that they're hiring but when you have a yes but when you have a very limited amount of french speakers such as in canada where it's only 28 of the population you are going to fill that spot with somebody who barely speaks english i mean that has to happen this is happening in america it's the government's role the government needs to hire people to understand one fifth of its citizen they can't just ignore them because they speak in a real language they've been there for hundreds of years we're going to ignore them we're just like we have to be very realistic about that because there's not we there's not going to be millions of of kebekans or or canadian french speakers that actually want to join the government government you're going to have normally french kebek speakers or kebek speakers who just want to work in a normal industry and that's cool but they still need to do shit with the government incarnation could i try and clarify your point yeah okay so incarnation is saying that it's wrong like for example if we took california we're almost 30 percent of the or almost 30 percent of the population in california are spanish speaking it would be wrong to have a government which decides pretty much how you live to hire based on the fact whether or not you are fluent in spanish that would be wrong yes wait no that's totally fine that's not exactly what i'm saying no that's not what i'm exactly what i'm saying what i'm saying is that there are certain positions in government in which language should be a highly weighted qualification because you are dealing with the public there are however other positions in the government where language should be less weighted qualifications and merit should be more highly weighted just right but that's not what happened but that's that's not sorry let me finish wait let him finish i'm interested to hear what he says let him finish but but this is not what happens when you are forced diversity right and this is not this does not happen when your upper management and the people who make the decisions at the end of the day are incentivized to not hire based on merit at the right position but however based on on some sort of quota that they need to fill in order to get a extra check at the end of the year i think that's yeah there you go there you go they will not understand that concept i get i just don't see the problem is the government's responsibility to hire enough spanish speakers to take all the calls needed from their spanish speaking well he he's talking he he's saying some specific jobs in government are good but others don't need it at all sorry go ahead let's give jake him a chance to talk yes oh yeah i'll try it what are the chances he's lagging out he's lagging out yeah so here's what i say he looks like he's are you bullying are you bullying okay here's what i think here's what i think go ahead jake oh i'm sorry it's so you know well here's what i think if you want to get spanish speakers if they want to get spanish speakers here's they can always they can always teach people how to speak spanish there's nothing wrong with one in another language they can always say hey let's actually you're gonna have to commit to people want to speak spanish that could work you're gonna have to commit to three or four years and wait three or four years yeah exactly yeah or you just speak spanish yeah so you can only yeah well yeah but listen i i think what my point is yeah but it's about teaching people how to speak spanish someone has a better if someone is a better fit for the job and they don't speak spanish and someone who is a less better fit from the or a worse fit for the job i should say and does speak spanish you probably shouldn't pick the latter for get on camera i'm gonna put everybody on come on i my camera doesn't work right now i broke it i'm gonna put it you're on a phone yeah i broke my phone camera so you did okay if you're if you're a company that deals and sales or has to solicit other companies get contracts or whatever right and you're trying to get a contract in japan it would be if it would be kind of stupid from a company standpoint to send a white person there and in that case you would definitely hire based off the qualification needed to speak fluent japanese and be able to interpret what is being said properly right so that's an economic advantage to a diversity hire right but hiring a manager right which a manager in the government will put it this way who let's say has to manage 25 employees and whatever whatever bureaucratic bullshit that they have to deal with right rather than hiring the best data entry people who speak english like the majority of the employees do they will fill a position only based off of the fact that they speak french the mere fact that there is a lack of qualified french people who are applying for those jobs means that they will lower their standard for the french employee and they they they will then hire somebody who is who is not qualified to do the job i forgot four is a minor you can get off camera if i may the problem is you're saying that they are not qualified with the qualification is being french right like you like you're admitting that they're qualified at the same time they're not qualified like the qualification is french speaking right like that's the qualification the qualification is french speaking the worst thing over here the worst thing over here government job because the government job there's certain mandates they have to fill out because the government has to apply to both french speaking people and english speaking people right so they need somebody to you know represent that that population and the qualification is as we all agree which is a merit which is french speaking yeah but what if they don't have that other experiences like other skills i'll share a personal experience i was i worked in it for a company i won't get the name i was the sole spanish speaking representative for uh the Puerto Rico line right why not and sounds sounds cool right oh i'm a diversity hire it's a guaranteed job it was really easy i could never promote right because like i southern mail i was one guy yeah just one text i just the one text for them right because i can speak spanish do no one else can speak right so kind of there are pros and there are tons right and i'm just saying like you're we're not really describing a problem we're just describing life i'm just looking fancy where there are problems i i don't see anywhere where there's a backlog in canadian government because of diversity i think we're just kind of talking hypotheticals here oh actually i mean i might hey guys that's true but i do like you like this is actually a high level government employee and this is something that is being talked at high levels of government where where there is an extreme breakdown in qualifications based off of language and it is hampering their ability to actually be able to fucking work and this is something that has been talked about we're getting bogged down a work quotas i don't think anybody here is arguing in defensive quotas based on right so hey can i just throw out earlier we were talking about um that that quote that uh stat that from loomburg mark cuban just tweeted out today i got up on the screen you can see if you look in the share there share screen he said uh he tweeted out today uh with that in mind i don't know what the previous post was 94 of new jobs in the s&p 100 going to people of color sounds about what we ought to expect it's not evidence of employers going to especially great links to higher minorities or discriminate against whites or doing anything other than fishing where the fish are i don't know what that means i just started at the percentage lower than 90 that would be cause for concern like if the jobs are meant for young people and you see a high amount of white people getting those jobs that would mean older white people are getting jobs that are meant for young people and that would be a cause for concern whereas like if you have a bunch of low skilled labor jobs you put them out it is prominent right now yeah you're gonna get young people young people are more often gonna not be wiped just based on repopulation right and so you're gonna get perhaps yeah that as well legal and illegal legal mostly illegal at 1.5 million people over three years is a lot but it's like a third of what we take in legally i'm not i'm not trying to get into i'm just saying that is a part of that situation it is can i show this real quick it just gets us very it's uh relates to what we're talking about here the civil rights act uh the rabbit hole on twitter said this sounds like a violation of the civil rights act and he highlighted this part it's for pro you don't actually read anything do you should read it it's a for-profit web of school if they won't primary primarily purple purple eaters from ours is there okay i remember this so yeah he's saying like he's saying if it's a private business they should be able to hire whoever they want if it's all white people that's fine i know i keep harping on this point over and over again for you but a lot of these people they identify as non-white are hispanics and within three generations over half of hispanics identify as white they acclimate into the society and they start self identifying as white people so these non-white are sometimes skewed number yeah the the category of non-white is growing i need the thing about this united united united going to do this quota system for pilots don't they understand that there is going to be a big percentage of non-whites that don't want to become pilots and now why and if they want to try that smaller percentage because probably finance because if you're trying to be like what is this guy doing you know i'm confused why why do we think that non-white people don't want to be finance why is that knocking out of your pilots jake up you keep lagging out real bad dude dude can i just throw out here saunasol i just realized yeah in the background you have a crt is that chrono trigger in the background god damn right it is that's awesome i just realized that i'm like i saw you had something back there and i'm like what the hell is that bro i feel like i've been collecting old and now that's why we're talking for a long time that's awesome i love it you should see my unfinished part of the uh base in here it's filled with that shit it fuck yeah man it's really been a pleasure i'll i'll catch you guys later thanks for chilling bar nice to have you here yeah yeah see you later man you guys want to change topic i feel like we've kind of come to a consensus on this i don't know i don't think we've come to an agreement at all i want to throw out a defense equity real quick well i i don't i don't defend like i i defend the idea of like i like the idea of people getting together but if you have to discriminate racially discriminate to do it it's not the right way yeah well you guys seem to be saying like somehow there's some right way of doing that i don't think there is so a quality equity i i feel like it's just a different definition or a different way to achieve a quality and a version of equity that we've had in the united states for 50 years and people don't think of it as equity is the Pell Grant where if you're poor you can't afford to go to college the government will give you money to go to college not based on race and then they use the Pell Grant in order to help just specifically poor people they'll even pay some of your bills and give you some money back for time you lost specific so that's equity though that that would be why equity could be good or not racist i'm talking racial quotas nobody in here is defending them um that's something that's stupid leftists do when they get their hands and they start pushing their anti-wester anti-white fucking stupid agenda so i don't like when they add tax cuts to it as well just adds an extra layer to it yeah i don't think you have any rabbit leftists in here you just got moderates kid okay this is here's a quick question we got atlas we have atlas yeah here's a question about i'm rabid do do we think that like because it we keep on talking about like rabid leftists and when y'all say leftists i'm just assuming that you guys mean like anyone left leading as a as opposed to like what no we mean leftists who are a rabbit no you mean yes they do yeah absolutely well you can be a left you can only be a rabid left winger you can be leftist and fine yeah for sure i think yeah atlas is a rabid left winger you know what i'm talking about well no i actually hold on i have some rabid lefties i fight with them really really hard okay because i used to be like a left-wing fucking socialist person all right so i i do know but like when people talk about leftists they either mean um you know like a socialist like a tanky someone that is like a march right i got it yes or or they could be talking about someone like destiny who is very very much not a socialist it can include both of those i don't think it can include both of those now the leftists are an interesting guy i got into it with him again today by the way did you really after i see his interest during his uh research stream or what he was doing during in the text we didn't i don't respect destiny all that much i don't know if that's a hot take i made a video of it but yeah uh mission is far beyond what it should be let's try to go oh no he's very intelligent okay yeah not to make the topic about destiny but like the the real question that i wanted to ask is like we keep on talking about like rabid leftists doing all this stuff and i i guess like the question that i have is like there seems to be so much like thought that there is intentional malice right like there's they're doing something because they think that it's evil right and they know that it's evil and they know that it's racist against white people and they just hate white people like as someone that as someone that was a leftist and um was a huge part of those circles for a long time i don't i i feel like that's really not what people are meaning um when they say this thing both camps exist though both camps yeah i won't i won't disagree with that as i moved away from social circles right as i moved away from those circles i won't necessarily exist but it also sounds like you're saying that's not really how to i don't think leftist ideology seems to be centered around the main enemy of white heterosexual white men and white people at large because they're like adjacent to that or whatever right everybody thinks they're on the right side of history they think that they're doing right you're absolutely correct they think that this hardcore eye for an eye racism against white people is actually i don't think it's a yeah i don't think it's an eye for an eye like on racism there are some people that i do think are like that um like i'm i'm just changing my mind yeah a little bit um yeah i my mind was changed a little bit on this um while researching some of the stuff around uh what do you call it um critical race theory uh but it not to like a really great extent so like i think that most people mean well right but looking at the the discord earlier before i started looking at stuff people were talking about like this is their plan it's all part of the agenda do we do we think that it's like a a deep conspiracy or do we like so you're you're taking an example of an extreme person in this server talking about extreme people on the other side of the fence so yes that person that was making those quotes is a very strong opinion person that is extremely okay i was just taking a typical check to see like how yeah i'm not trying to like call anyone out specifically i'm just like try to get a temperature check of the room on how deep into the like hatred for the other side we are i think there's a lot of people so i i'm 43 years old you know when i was in high school i was pretty what would be considered woke now and i literally was very suspicious of other white people felt like there was something wrong with the white people in general my group of friends was all like black asian you know like i was the only white guy in my group and uh i went to college and i started questioning i'm like you know and there was a lot of things that happened basically and uh yeah i think there's a lot of people going through that sort of thing like white people i don't know like i don't even know what my point is yeah i don't know what it's like i guess like what i would imagine the point that you're getting at is like people will leave this and then they will kind of like grow out of it right or is that exactly what we're saying exactly okay yeah i actually used to be a left person on the left myself now i've just shift over to libertarianism myself yeah because you see that a lot in the younger people but there's a lot of videos a lot of the hbcu colleges and stuff i don't know if you've seen these there's a few of them and the students there man it's like hopefully it like this isn't like something that they grow up and like this continues like i do hope that that that is something that's just young you know yeah for the most part i think that it is well i just feel like written why they do that is because they suffer from a lack of consequences so they just don't understand what consequences mean for them you know life experiences what do you mean they don't understand what consequences mean well i think what you think is that they haven't had enough life experience to justify their beliefs that's kind of what i'm getting is that an australian taco bell behind you yes that's an australian taco bell that's awesome man they're rare why they're australians all over the place all of a sudden fuck i i have a quick question to go back to earlier and this is a philosophical question based on what you were talking about there was a coder that was say autistic and he had trouble communicating sure and we were talking about hiring that person and i said that here's a different scenario you have that autistic person that's hard to communicate with and he's the he's one of the best two coders in the world the other best coder is also there to be hired and all they're they can talk and communicate just fine but they can only yell to communicate so here you have two individuals that are in front of you person that has trouble communicating and a person that communicates perfectly fine and screams all the time to talk which of those two seems to be the great choice for the job the auditory problem person every single fucking time dude every single fucking time assuming equal ability assuming equal ability yeah i'm not having someone screaming in my fucking workplace all fucking day long and i'm not providing ibuprofen to all my workers they can bring their own no i understand i understand i just feel bad if we end up in court for decisions like that you know oh yeah no again like is i would yeah that's what i've been saying like i would never agree with like just a quota system or anything like that like that seems really bad and it seems like there could be a lot of really bad things that come out of that so i digress when you mention the autistic comparison i'm autistic myself like to be honest sometimes i don't even know how loud i speak because maybe it's because of the bass of my voice or something or some shit you know but to be honest i work at a domino's delivery driving myself i can drive a car you know to deliver pizzas so to be honest not only a person with autism is the same they have they express themselves differently they show their autism symptoms differently so and they don't think the same like any other autistic persons the one thing that is something about is how they think they want to you know do diversity but they don't they need to know that diversity must also not sacrifice merit and skill and qualifications to be able to make it successful so i just kind of feel like if you're going to put in diversity you're going to still give people with altars and to prove themselves that they can do well otherwise they'll be just like a high just based on their disability disability sure i think that the real aim is is less to just like have more autistic people or more black people or you know whatever i think that the the aim like the the stated goal that people have when they're talking about this is like hey it seems like in society these people don't get a fair shake right i think that like if we're talking about autistic people especially in the workforce probably they don't get as much of a fair shake as someone who is not autistic and we and like the the stated you know goal is like hey we should we should do something to make it to where you know whether it's like some sort of accommodation for them in the workplace or something like that we should allow these people to actually you know function in a workplace right we should give them the chance and all of that yeah go for it okay so i'm also autistic myself and i know they're like they said there is like levels of autistics like for me i am a very anti-socialistic i prefer jobs where i can do my job without like a whole bunch of interaction and i know there's autistics that can manage with lots of people and do lots of things and you know is everybody here autistic hey listen i'm a gamer okay i i am the only normal person here i i never thought i was but i'm starting to wonder i am the only normal person we're all we're all autistic we should actually change the this uh discourse server to the autistic channel okay yeah yeah absolutely hasn't taken over just yet dork i'll find out no i'm fucking normal i agree with them you're not just coolers like that it's just important for those who are anti-social go ahead Sebastian people who are within the same category but also ones who are very you know outward you know extroverts can work with people that they know they can do like myself i've hoped and i prayed i find jobs where i can work with people that are within um i guess you say mild manner personality because most of your time if i'm working with somebody i want to be able to do my job but also know that they're not gonna like jump on my skin right i mean you gotta you will be able to find that place hopefully that's a decision you make and then you just have to hope that you come across people that are good people doesn't matter if people are autistic or not they could want to work i mean inverted or extroverted introverted extroverted doesn't matter for autism you just gotta find people that you enjoy being around and they will work with you because they're good people that's my like my life experience yeah and i mean what is the job i just recently got to is actually working to my uh to my strengths the people that i interviewed with were very down to earth and people could easily talk to hey what do you guys think about free gaza i say i don't really mind if gaza if israel was there instead just get ready just give give gaza to uh what do you guys think about what's going on there instead of free gaza we should say we should say slightly honest about what i think there what's going on in gaza to a degree okay well here's what i think i think that israel has every right to do what they're doing and i hope they uh wipe out hamas from the face of the earth and that whole area becomes a part israel and grows and prospers and the people the palestinian people can uh actually live life and stop uh being under a repressive uh arab nazi resort regime instead of free gaza you should say expensive gaza and then none of the jews a lot of gaza is gone right i mean at this point thank you tyler thank you so i have a pointed question i have a pointed question lately there's been a lot of information in the news about starvation happening in gaza and i'm curious for the people here to reflect on is israel using starvation as a tactic for war probably or is it something else where they're i mean dude is not getting to know for sure but i would guess yes they're using siege tactics it's a war yeah probably i hate that people are suffering it's not right but it's all a part of war i mean i hate the people who are suffering i don't blame the people uh i well not totally i mean look look they elected the government like did we really give a shit about the people of germany when they elected nazis and they got what came to them like i kind of just feel like that's what happened there okay so when gaza was uh with when when israel withdrew from gaza they took all the israelis that were settled in gaza and ripped them from their homes and forced them into israel when they did that one of the things that they gave up was a giant hydroponic farm they set it up nice they gave it to the palestinians hamas went in and destroyed it took all the pipes out and used them for weapons we've been giving them humanitarian aid in the in the 200 billions of dollars a year to feed their people hamas is taking it they're fucking storing the gas and talking to you're saying it's not a tactic of war that starvation is not a tactic of war because of what's happening in palestinia itself well it's israel is giving them water power and food giving them for free when they gotta act by them they cut that shit off good point they're allowed to say i'm not going to supply the people fucking attacking us with free power food and water exactly like this entire conflict and this is something i noticed way back in high school like the same iteration happened over and over and over and over and it becomes clear over time that there's people that are like literally keeping this conflict going for some reason they want to keep it stirred up israel seems to be done with that and i'm happy like they that they need to end it because it needs stop uh yeah the the egypt all the these arab countries and other forces are have been using the palestinian people for years as sort of cannon fodder against israel and that's who needs what i feel there's not all for any hospitals and have been densely densely densely densely areas israel is uh each just had a military they don't want any more of these people in because they just spent the last like whatever x money forcing the mother muslim brotherhood into these mountains i don't know what they're called and if they bring in another million people from gaza that hamas is is a tie of the month is on brotherhood in a different country so like if they bring that in they just strength is the opposition of the government they don't want it exactly as jordan i want him jordan is palestinians jordan doesn't want them what does that tell you here jake your flag let's give him a real bad give him at least give him a chance though israel can you hear me okay or he wants to go next oh my god you're you're lagging let's give texan the chance and then let's give jake the chance to texan get on cam bro i know i know you got cam bro i don't have a camera but anyway uh no israel just sent uh several truckloads of food food fuel and medical supply today to gaza and the gossians that are there are actually egyptians and nobody from egypt is sending any aid just so y'all know okay do you think that that stuff will make it to its user well no it never does no it's crazy to me this shit's gone over the truck and uses them to their own advantage so like is there nobody to defend like we have no pro gaza any any of that here okay it's so funny how i feel this is okay this is how i'm gonna do this i am broadly in support of israel on this but i feel like everybody is a little bit shitty in this in this conflict okay over the course of history um war okay that's interesting let's see what you have to say we can we can we can say like more is shitty but like we can do we can do war better or we can do it worse all right where there's a lot of people that are dying for no reason or you know whatever very little okay here's yeah here here's here's the real thing that's going on here all right there is a huge uh you know conflict that's been going on for like a century at this at this point about 80 years and the palestinians really were dealt a fucking shithand in this conflict they were absolutely fucked they um they had a whole bunch of people come in basically take over land that they were living on for a long time did they own that land no not technically the ottomans owned it we could be a little bit more understand the ottomans literally owned palestine before the end of war one and then the British took it over and then they split all these different regions up as the ottomans mostly had all right and britain had a uh a problem and their problem was they made promises to everybody and they can't keep promises to everybody when those promises conflict that's what led to like the majority of this conflict the palestinians kind of got thoughts when it came to um the first partition plan uh they were the majority of the population but they got like when was that uh 1948 okay or no no no wait wait no hold on hold on let's let's stop i want to make sure that i have the date right because there's i think your first partition plan and yeah i think it's either 1938 or something like that yeah i think that's right and that's why that's why i stopped you hold on hold on hold on hold on like i just want to point out real quick little detail that i think is important given the narratives that are current today right who what what's significant about the palestinians in that area uh in which area and the era i'm sorry the era oh in that era yeah um there's several significant things which thing dear are you talking about well the main the main thing is that who are they allied with during that time he wants to call nazis the no no no they were allied with the ottomans no wait hold on no no the 48 48 48 um they're allied with hitler i'll just they're allied with hitler so are the jabs okay that's true yeah the japanese are awesome now so okay but palestinians are still basically nazis whatever whatever the case they're like aligned with palestinians basically allied with the nazis during that time and have never stopped being nazis that's my argument okay hold on i don't think that that's i don't think that that's enough of a fair like uh comparison i think that we can we can can we agree that like let's say that you were living in an area i look i look at the tv okay let me just ask this question i i know in the tv there's a lot of information their tv is nazi tv basically yes i well it's like hamas version of nazi all right it's aria that's what i am i am a super i have been super way more uh probed israel i'm loving i'm loving your i'm being i'm being as as good to it i like it i like it even handed as possible i like it so on the um i'm trying to get to you jake about one of the finish their point for them yeah we're listening okay so they got a super shit deal dealt to them and for the first couple of wars they probably had the moral right at this point they probably don't you've it's been 80 years israel's more powerful than you you're not going to get anything um yeah you're not going to get anything out of fighting forever like this is stupid at this point but i think that it's important for us to recognize what the the situation on the ground is i think that we should all feel at least some empathy for the people of gaza because holy fuck those people are getting bombed into oblivion i do is it yeah yeah yeah it's gonna be me chills i feel bad so it's all right most of them are not vulnerable awful they're not they're not necessarily volunteered they're vol untold all right a lot of the time they're vol untold and that's really fucked up yeah i got your point i'll come back to you with a question but i do want to give jake have a chance to talk so jake please take your chance now to talk okay okay all right so let's start from all this beginning let's give it a quick history thing we all know that before british mandates there came the ottoman empire and then after the omen empire there was the british mandate of the palestinian region and after world war two 1948 that's when it came to state of israel and the reason why it all started is because it all splits into two and this is becoming happening every decade decade palestine israel palestine israel israel here's the thing i think it would be better off if the whole state of israel becomes a one state and that this that's never gonna happen and the country and i know i know let me get to my point the state of israel i believe should become like the state of israel and palestine a whole region solution in which everyone there participates in israeli parliament the palestinians and israelans okay well yeah that might happen through now through war it would never happen politically but now it might yeah hold on that would the israelis would never be okay with that because they're they if they did a one state solution the israelis would now be the demographic minority and they would lose their ability to uh they like the palestinians would outnumber them like i think like three to one or something there's no chance for the two state either why would they pull in people that want them to die too so that that that goes back to the question that i had for sansal then and but i i was you said you had to leave soon is there anything you want to say or anything are you still channeling what's going on i'll i'll uh i want to hear your question and i'll man all right so what is the better way for lively bro what is the better way of war in israel for sansal so you're saying that there's there's two ways to do war basically paraphrasing you know there's a crappy way to do war and there's a quick efficient way or a good way to do war what is the correct approach that should be happening in your point of view that will end what's happening now um to be clear when it comes to when it comes to this i don't know what a better strategy for israel is i'm not one of those people that's going to say like oh well they're like bombing indiscriminately i don't think that they are bombing indiscriminately i think that there's enough evidence that like they're not doing a genocide or anything like that i don't have a better so yeah like if they if yeah if they were doing a genocide they're the worst genociders of all time because there's more palestinians than there ever have been i'm just trying to like think like what genocide involves people like you know having a positive population growth what genocide involves you know people you know like there's 20 000 bombs dropped out as of a couple of weeks ago and the death toll was significantly lower than what you would expect for 20 000 bombs like it was like 1.3 deaths per bomb right if they want to go inside they could just the only people who benefit from that are Hamas and like they're you know useful idiots get to back their bases on the strategic points where they can try to cause as much cataclysm as they can like they put them into hospital is there any place that is a high intensity of people hey real quick i probably am gonna end the stream soon because we've been going for a while we're way off topic anyway but uh saunasol i wanted you to shout out your channel and everything if you want to do oh yeah sure uh i'm saunasol s o n d s o l i like to talk to people who disagree with me i have a lot of fun with it it doesn't have to be like a knockout you know blood sports whatever i just i like to understand why people uh believe the things that they do and uh sometimes i do get into blood sport stuff because people really irritate the fuck out of me but i'll find anyone on the left or the right yeah he's actually uh has all the smarts of like destiny but like none of the like annoying weird stuff so that's my opinion of him which annoying weird stuff do i avoid personal attacks personal attacks he just gets like well i would get into i would i could play the video yeah but you don't no no he just gets weird he gets weird like i i i i i i i could get into it we could get into it like what you just probably did on twitter like what you do before you get into it or or any closing statements for the stream before yeah i really i want to give uh tyler a chance here go ahead i'm just i was gonna say i'm going to play doda it's been real i'll see you next thursday all right thanks thanks and love your dogs that atlas dude thanks for hanging out man i appreciate your welcome here you're welcome here and uh i personally i liked your i've always liked your uh your influence here and you're uh hanging out in the discord and all that so i hope you keep doing that well i just brought people the wrong way uh i appreciate you that's okay i'll see you there yeah have a good day man but um oh yeah the rest of you for before do you have anything you want to say no and we can keep hanging out and talking but i know we've been going on to get off here in a little bit uh yeah okay that's cool talk for a couple minutes no no no you're good you're good i'm good too i'm about to get off 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because it's just always stuff going on that'll get you out there and what do you think you know it's my job to wash dishes and do laundry and all that stuff too you know hold on i'm gonna go ahead and hop out all right love you guys i'll catch you guys later if you guys want to talk about any of these things like literally i gotta give me a message absolutely come in dude hey everybody just wanted to uh thank you all for watching and uh we're gonna keep doing this i know it's really rough and you know i don't really know what i'm doing i got some equipment here some hardware that's supposed to help me but i haven't really had time to uh learn how to use it and do all that it should make it easier at some point but as i was just talking about most of my life is dedicated to my kids my family right now and i still love this channel don't get me wrong i'm this channel is my life and my job and i'm still into it but geez like i just don't have so much time for it anymore it sucks my whole 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