 Aldermen do are all the documents signed Everybody's committees Before we get started with the meeting mr. Franzens here Would you step up the microphone? He just wants to address the Flag box that's placed up by City Hall Goodly I Got this idea from our state newsletter the DFW and I proceed to get a Mailbox from the post office then I went to mr. Shram to see about putting it someplace and We had quite a discussion where to go and then finally went to community bank And they gave me permission to put it down there And I had some posters made up like this Which I'm going to be putting around the city at convenient locations So people to remind people of where to put their flags old flags retired flags There are a lot of flags being flown in the city right now. They're worn torn that should be replaced and Sheboygan press was good enough to put an ad in the paper and it turned out to be very good results The first week we collected about 150 flags to date we got it I Would say roughly about 230 240 flags that we have collected out of the box so far and I Wanted to thank them mayor for letting me come here tonight just to show this He has one that is going to be put in City Hall. His wife has got one to put it to Y And I have a Couple met Washington Square Pigley wiggling went out sheboygan falls. I Put one out to Walmart so far Mark and save and pick and save and there'll be a few more that will be distributed. I just started on this this last week So I would appreciate all of you people to continue to let the people know and Hoping maybe we get an article in the press that a later date sometime again showing what to do with the flags Thank you. Could you leave a few extra copies for us? Yeah, and I think some of the Alderman will probably take them with If you want Alderman in the back, please I Believe you about four super Alderman Warner. Would you take those please for us we have Here's five That's all I have to say. I want to thank you very much. Well. Thank you. Thank you for The help in getting it started. You're welcome. Thank you Okay, Pat well said We will call the notice of the 20th regular meeting to order Pat. Would you call the roll, please Bowman? D-Berg Eberg Doyle Manny Moody Perez courts Sholes Stefan D Van Akron T Van Akron Vanderweel Wonderman excused Warner when you're 15 present forms present Alderman Van Akron Thank You your honor. I would move that the minutes of the previous council be Be accepted has entered on the record We'll just second at the minutes of the previous council meeting be approved under discussion Hearing none all in favor opposed motion carried Pledge of Allegiance we have two young gentlemen from St. Luke's with us tonight from troop 805 would you lead us please in a pledge I would guess you two are here for a merit badges evening or work. Which one is that? communication Okay, excellent. Thank you for coming Hearing pat that's been canceled. Well, just stated on TV. Okay, the hearing schedule for rezoning property located at 1212 Pennsylvania Avenue has been canceled for this evening resignation Steve there's a letter dated December 10th to mr. Richard Meyer of the Business Improvement District from Kerry Rower dink advising that he needs to resign from the Harbor Center bid board Because he sold his business and no longer eligible to be on the board of directors. We can accept in file and Sustated today Hereby submit the following appointment for your consideration Greg Wegeman to be considered for appointment to the Business Improvement District to fill the unexpired term of Kerry Rower Dink whose term expires 9704 signed by the mayor that lights over okay public forum panel Okay, Alderman van Aekron Yeah, I would move that all our oaths Be accepted and filed all committee reports be accepted and filed all our oaths I mean all committee reports be accepted and adopted all resolutions be put upon their passage Been moved in a second all our oaths be accepted and filed all our seas be accepted and adopted and resolutions be put upon their passage Except 2013 If you look at that that will be referred to finance Alderman moody Thank you, your honor. No need to pull it but on 12 for I'm just questioning. Why do we have this document referring to color general and color generals and falls? I think we had one on the last Which one is that 24 12 for 24 24 I'm sorry 24 I Receive these Notifications from the court and from the state and when they come here I don't pay attention where the company is located. We've always submitted them to counsel Somebody else's can enlighten me. I mean what action do we take? We don't take any action. It's a piece of information because of the I Will imagine the Laying off of people, you know There are people without jobs now So the city is always made aware when industries go out of business and we have a big influx of That's my understanding. I don't know all right. I believe they do have a division that's in the industrial park right on the corner of Taylor Drive and Right where I work cracker. That's it. I think they do have a vision division and a building in that are in the city limits there Thank you, all of them chose Thank you, your honor on 2021 I'm I don't need to pull it for a separate vote. I just want to comment on a portion of that The number two item on there. It's an arrow It comes from finance from the arrows from partners for community development ink Stating they will be applying for community block grant funds in 2003 Mr. Fuentes serves on the civil service commission in the past I've said in some of their discussions and from my observations I believe he has served the city very well and has the best interests of the city of Sheboygan at heart I did feel uncomfortable during some of our discussions last April when they were being criticized There's some of the things that and Accusations that had been made he sent all of us a letter and several pieces of course Correspondents indicating that all issues have been resolved and closed at this time and that correspondence and a folder from partners their annual report I Think it's worth reading Partners may have been unfairly criticized before all the issues were investigated We need to be very careful about how we present our arguments So as not to create a situation that could be considered libelous Mike huts has some information concerning training Of on court of ethics which for those of us that have been on the council for a while Could use a refresher on and the newer people some initial training. I'd like to ask Mike to maybe Tell us about that or touch on that training that available I believe Alderman Schultz is referring to two notice of claims that are in the Risk management docket yet one notice of claim from partners and one from mr. Fuentes As Several years ago probably more than several years ago I might have been three or four of you here We had some training put on through cities and villages mutual Training for all the alderman regarding liability code of ethics under our code Which I believe is chapter 2 of the municipal code And then I think in the state statutes. I believe it's chapter 19. We haven't done that for quite a few years and I could set that up again. I believe I had spoken to Alderman van Akron as chairman of committee the whole about the possibility of setting up that that training Sometime in the future probably about an hour worth of training put on by the cities and villages people Which I will do at at a future meeting when you call it Committee the whole meeting Thank you if there's no other discussion everything from 2021 through 2029 excluding 2013 Will we put upon his passage Pat? Would you call the roll please? D-Burg E-Burg Doyle Manny Moody Perez ports Schultz Stefan D-Van Akron T-Van Akron Vanderweal Warner Weninger Bowman 15 eyes motion carried 2030 to be referred the two RO's 2031 and 32 by the city clerk submitting a communication from Mark Hessler requesting withdrawal of his rezoning For 12 12 Pennsylvania Avenue and the city plan commission recommending filing documents Those can be accepted and placed on file Alderman Warner Thank you, I make a motion we place the documents on file Move the second that we file the two RO's under discussion Hearing none all in favor Opposed motion carried 2033 and 34 lie over 2035 through 45 to be referred 2046 through 48 will lie over 2049 through 53 to be referred 2054 by public protection of safety recommending that denying beverage operators license 5857 based on findings of committee There is a correct the document I believe on all the Alderman's desks Yes, your honor I move that the RC be adopted and and approved But I'd like to check first to see if Mr. Zeman is here to speak in his behalf Apparently hasn't it's been moved in second that the RC be accepted adopted Under discussion hearing none all in favor Eberg Doyle Manny Moody Port's Schultz Stephan Devin Akron Teevin Akron Vanderweal Warner Winninger Bowman D. Bird 15 eyes motion carried 2055 and 256 will lie over 1919 resolution by Alderman Schultz and T. Van Akron and Berg authorizing entering to contract for what obtained obtaining employment Employment practices liability insurance Alderman Schultz Thank you, your honor make a motion to resolution be put upon this passage We'll just send a resolution be put upon this passage. Is there any discussion hearing none? Would you call the roll please Doyle hi Manny Moody? Riz Ports Schultz. Hi Stefan Devin Akron Teevin Akron Vanderweal Warner Winninger Bowman D. Bird Eberg 15 eyes motion carried Before we get into the other matters. I would like to back up for a moment. I miss this This morning I got a email from Alderman Warner and he just requested that We make it known that his nephew through marriage Alderman Warner is that yes, sir Nathan here has not been found yet And that the general public was ever watching this evening if you check your yards your garages your sheds, whatever you have look around And just look around your your area and if you would see something, please let him know We don't have a picture of him Alderman Warner. I wish we did we could Put on camera, but we don't have a picture of him this evening But was ever watching and Alderman in all departments if you just walk around your yards and just look in any buildings or anything on your property Please notify Alderman Warner immediately if you are fine So thank you Okay, other matters 2057 we'll go to finance 2058 to finance 2059 Resolution by Alderman Schultz T. Van Ackrenberg authorizing the retaining of outside council the federal and state court for tempest case Alderman Schultz. Thank you. Your honor. I make a motion to resolution. I need to ask for suspension Okay We moved a second for suspension. Is there any discussion? You're gonna proceed. Thank you. Your honor with that I make a resolution. I make a motion the resolution be put upon its passage Move this second resolution be put upon its passage Their discussion hearing none. What did you call the roll? Manny? Moody Perez Hortz Schultz. Hi, Stefan. No D. Van Ackren. T. Van Ackren. Van Van Der Wiel Warner Weninger Bowman D. Bird E. Bird Doyle 14 eyes one no motion carried Steve 2060 is a Resolution authorizing the mayor to execute the joint powers agreement for shaborgan county and city shaborgan 9-1-1 emergency systems That will go to public protection safety 2061 is a communication from Alderman Schultz submitting a list of contributors to Terry Van Ackren's state campaign Alderman Schultz. Thank you. Your honor I'd like to read this communication It pertains expressly to Meeting this is being is this being referred or is this yes, do we discuss referred Documents on the floor then Is it our policy generally not generally not but it has been done. It has been done. I'm good What is our rules? Thank you, your honor before I get into it this Cover for the communication. It should read addressing the ambulance service. That's really what the communication is I've talked to the city clerk. I will stop in her office tomorrow. She's going to make a new cover for it and I'll sign that and it'll be Stated the way it really should be with that I would like to read the communication This communication is not going to make me any friends But I think it says some things that need to be said I have no malicious intent in this I want to make that perfectly clear with that I would like to read the communication it is about the ambulance service contract orange cross versus other About last July about last July after meeting between some city officials and county officials for discussion about ambulance service I just said to the mayor I think if you wanted a contract with orange cross you could have one today After more discussion and some time passed I said we are going to make this contract so difficult orange cross will not be able to sign it and here we are today Two weeks ago Alderman of inaccurate said in several minutes basically we offered them the same contract and refused to sign it I am not sure it is the contract so much as it is the distrust that has been created between orange cross and the city The city keeps putting new challenges to orange cross first It was first respond first it was response time once that was somewhat diffused Someone put together a spreadsheet questioning on site time That is how long the ambulance was on site before transporting One reason the city went with an ambulance service was that our then police the ambulance could not provide Paramedic level service they basically would load and run Now the paramedics are able to provide a level of treatment on site in the air criticized for not being en route to the hospital sooner It is not so much contract changes as it is no one trusts or respects anyone anymore We need to reestablish the mutual respect and trust that we once had for each other The citizens I talk with want the ambulance service to remain with orange cross and Strategic fiscal plan meetings the fire department is represented by the chief and or his deputy chiefs to discuss the proposed ambulance contract and offer suggestions closed sessions Meetings the fire department is represented, but orange cross is excluded as long as the fire department is actively interested in providing the ambulance service They should be treated as any other contractor interested in doing business with the city They should not be part of developing a contract for a competitor. They want to replace I believe chairman of the strategic fiscal plan committee Alderman Terry Van Akron should have excused himself from all discussion of the ambulance contract to avoid any perception of influence There is a website listing campaign contributions through August 26 2002 the final report is not due until July 31 2003 Attached as a listing of fire department personnel from Green Bay to Fonda like to Sheboygan and labor union individuals Individuals I believe are sympathetic to the fire department being awarded the ambulance service How do I know they are sympathetic? Union leader Ben Cooner has attended several strategic fiscal plan committee meetings as recent as a meeting Monday, January 6th He stated I don't know why you are talking with orange cross when you have the fire department to provide ambulance service While the police department had the ambulance service there was not one recorded lost time or workman's compensation injury Total to date Sheboygan has incurred workman's comp injuries involving firemen Responding as first responders totaling $200,000 the most most recent being $50,000 no other first responders have similar records if the fire department were to be awarded the ambulance service and first responders What would be the effect on the city's workman's comp claims? With the city need additional paramedics to replace injured paramedics and at what cost? The fire chief says he can't take on the ambulance service with only adding three personnel Yet he has consistently said he needs more personnel because staffing does not meet NFPA National Fire Prevention Association Recommended levels we have had an ambulance service with no cost or risk to the property taxpayer and Providing paramedic level service that the public seems more than satisfied with I Believe the fire department could provide an equal level of service But along with a large startup cost a huge risk to the property taxpayer of providing a subsidy along with providing a Subsidity to the county for ambulance service as we are approximately 42% of the county Going out with an RFP request for proposal is not the answer either as we had a very unpleasant Experience with that once with Curtis ambulance service. I don't think we want to go through that again My concern is this orange cross is being challenged on so many issues a good working relationship Will be difficult to maintain and the ambulance service will go to the fire department by default This would be unfortunate. We have many other financial challenges ahead of us such as a new police station stormwater management South pier development loss of state revenues city development and redevelopment street paving repaving annual health care costs exceeding four million dollars Strategic fiscal plan committee still has not meant to discuss and prioritize the suggestions of the budget reduction survey Most of us completed in September. This needs to be done Sign val Scholl Solomon fifth district January 20th 2003. Thank you Honored to follow the correct rules of the council. I would move that we file this We have a motion before us to file The document is there any discussion your honor under under discussion I don't know how we held discussion without having a Document on the floor to discuss so that's why my motion to file this Starting out with to answer as long as we're going to discuss this let's discuss it and get it over with I disagree with Val in his third paragraph where he says orange cross fire department and his deputy chiefs were in closed sessions So were many of our department heads the fire department is not our adversary or not. They're part of the city of Sheboygan and And so was orange cross when we made the decision back I believe it was in August September sometime that we were going to not go with the fire department and go with orange Cross we dropped that and from that point on we were discussing orange cross Contract we sat with many times with orange cross in those in those discussions and outside That's what contract negotiations and how they work You don't tip your hand to the people you're trying to work out a contract with but we did sit with them Go line for line for line as I said last time with orange cross in the meetings So we didn't exclude them from all closed session meetings They were included in some of them. Did we have some closed sessions without sure we do we do that when we when we're in Contract negotiation with our own employees. We do that. We do that when we have closed sessions when we have negotiations with developers to discuss our Wants and needs of the contracts. This isn't unusual. This is no conspiracy. We got away from the idea that we were going to have this be a fire department Run we made that decision the decision this council did was to go on and say Try to work out a deal with orange cross and bring it back to the council. That's what happened That's what we're currently doing I do take offense to the fact that he then goes to the next thing to the next item and says that I should have excused myself Steve is it illegal or or anything wrong with heading the committee Under the state statutes or under my my receiving money from any contributors to my campaign either as an alderman or here That's a more would it be Not doing my duty to step out of that position Since I don't have any conflict correct, right your duty as an alderman and as chairman is to Handle the duties that are assigned to that committee That's what I'm doing now. I Least think I have enough respect from most of the colleagues here on the floor to believe that I have been openly and Honestly trying to do the best job of what I feel for the city. Do we have some disagreements? Sure But I don't think I should excuse myself. I'm professional enough that if I feel something's right I'm going to turn to the fire department and say no, I'm going to turn to DPW and say no That's not an issue. My job here is to be an alderman and do it in that in that way I do take exception to the fact that He thinks that I should have had to excuse myself because of people that support me All of us have been supported by people in this community most of us have been supported by people in this community and I Don't think I don't take exception to that I'm proud of that fact that I have people that will support me and believe in the same things I do that doesn't mean they own me and it doesn't mean that I always agree with them It means that I agree with and I'm willing to listen to them If there's a problem with that I have a professional enough to handle that Back on the Orange Cross's Contract While we have had many discussions, we've always been open to Orange Cross or anybody else stepping forward Giving us input including our own people including outside labor people We've had people from the chamber that have given us input. I've had people on my committee that are executive People from the physician's network You've got to be open to all input I don't think we should be Singling out one set of people and not listen to them because they may have a vested interest Everybody has a vested interest in this in this issue, and I think it's time that we start to put this behind us And get this over with this has been a long-drawn old thing. It's been an emotional issue for a lot of people It's been trying on both our fire department the alderman here the city Orange Cross and everybody But I don't think there's anybody here, and I take again I take exception to the fact I don't think anybody here has a hidden agenda or any specific Thing that they're trying to do all outside of what's best for the city of Sheboygan I believe that on all of you Thank you Alderman Warner Not thank you, and I'll be brief. I'll try to be brief. Anyway, I've got a lot of documents on Orange Cross and Negotiations we've gone through I could read them all but I won't do that first. I believe Alderman Schultz is Reading of this document at tonight's meeting was not only inappropriate, but unprofessional And I would like to address some of the things you said one the fire department on October 7th of last year This common council voted to forward a contract orange cross ambulance Not to the Sheboygan fire department not to anyone else Orange Cross turned it down plain and simple and as far as labor donating to Alderman vernacular's campaign if they agree with him and he's the person they want to support they should donate to it This is any business donate to a candidate that they support That's what politics is about it's supporting your candidate and trying to help them win the election to be foolish not to And as far as the firefighters getting hurt I believe that's because they're helping Orange Cross do their job If firefighters didn't have to help them do their job and make Orange Cross better by being there to stabilize the patients before Orange Cross gets there or to drive their vehicles Our firefighters wouldn't be getting hurt. Obviously Orange Cross is understaffed We negotiated in good faith with Orange Cross all along and we talked with the county and the law committee And it was always in good faith And the issues in this contract are almost the same as the last one a few improvements Orange Cross's latest proposal to us or prior to the one that we now are looking at dealt with two things them using the county's radios paid for by taxpayers of the county and the city alike for nothing That was one item in their agreement and the other item is in their agreement was that there would be insurance for Firefighters first responders police and sheriff's deputies that drove their ambulances To help them up. That was their their idea of a contract. We've got something going now We should probably have a contract, but it's Orange Cross who got away not this council Not our committee not all them in vernacular and not myself and not the fire department on October 7th of this year We put that for rest. Thank you Okay Alderman Charles Hey, thank you your honor I Did open this up by saying it was not going to make me any friends in it. I Don't have a problem with that. I I wanted to make a strong statement to get people's attention to look at all issues all sides and Hopefully Maybe we can get moving on this. I took great pains to Put this together to make no Accusations of anybody doing anything illegal or anything like that And I I also said in the beginning that I have no malicious intent to this and I truly do not I wanted to make a Strong statement bring out some points get people's attention and hopefully some consideration and and move on I did in my Communication say about Alderman Finnecker and excusing himself to avoid any perception. I didn't say that he was Doing anything illegal or anything like that. I said to avoid any perception and Sometimes perception is stronger than reality and and that's my concern. So I would hope you would not file this I would hope it would be referred to strategic fiscal plan. I think it does need to be Discussed if nothing else if it's an active document at least it's there in front of people You can read it disregarded toss it do whatever you want with it But at least it's there if you vote the file is tonight. It's gone forever and it means that you're Downplaying it and don't put emphasis on it And I don't think that's going to be a good public perception To see the council file something as strong as this I think it needs some More consideration than just filing without any Review of it. Thank you I'm impressed Thank You, Your Honor just a few quick comments. I hope that all of the shields doesn't take this Council for fools But he the letter that he has written has serious serious extremely serious implications with respect to perhaps illegalities or Improprieties against not only our president of the council, but also state assemblymen and fire chief Who my respect very much? I would hope that alderman Schultz would heed his own words when he talks about ethics if he had any problem with any of these Situations he should have said so way before I am curious as to why he's coming up with this Statements now he had every opportunity just as we all did and none of us showed any objections to Terry's being present Alderman Stephan Yes I to it. I think we're discussing it now. We're giving it probably more weight than it deserves now I don't know just as Alderman Schultz's idea of going out the blaze of glory or something that we should you know Hang on and talk about it for four months, but by filing it. We're talking about it now When we're talking about like Terry said today in two weeks. It doesn't matter. We're talking about the issues That's apparently what he wanted. So let's not discuss them. I don't think I'm violating open records Laws when I tell you that you know the statement about orange cross in the fire department is totally untrue Alderman Schultz was next to me in a meeting over at the courthouse between both committees was an open session And it went to closed the fire chief walked in he said oh it's a closed meeting and they said oh you can stay here Department I said not a chance. I'm out of here the closed session. I'm not staying Wasn't gonna be in the closed session or cross was there Chief Sayers said no if it's closed I'm leaving he's still outside when I left he was supposed to sit outside waiting for the meeting to go back over So I think that you know Alderman Schultz has to know that's not true. I trust that he just made a mistake I don't think he would put it in their attentionally. I agree with Alderman Werner, you know The fire department has continually showed us where mishaps and mistakes in communications with the First responders have caused some serious workmen's companies one They admitted to one serious one the most serious one they know it was their fault They know it wasn't a firefighter's fault. So I mean the fact that it used to cost nothing and now it would cost more It's ludicrous. It's the turnover rate of the people you're working with it causes the more injuries Also, if you look to the last page, you'll see my name, and I'm not ashamed to say I'm a labor person I'm not ashamed to say I've known Terry Van Ack for 20 years That's shame to say I've served with him on this council I've served with him on the county board and why did I support him for assembly because I wanted him to vote for the ambulance I mean that's ludicrous Many of you know that I recently took a new job when I was cleaning out my desk I got to tell you I was a little shocked now, but truthfully there was a Campaign material for a person who was a sick all the person running for assembly And a labor leader at the time and his treasure was Val Schultz Now I wonder how many votes Val said oh, I can't I'm gonna Recuse myself from this because it wouldn't look great. I think what's good for the goose is good for the gander The 15 minutes if this deserves it way past to a you should file it hang on. There's a couple more Alderman Berg Thank you, Your Honor. I think I'm also going to move to file I think chief sayer must be doing his job because he's alienated probably half of his department He's alienated probably half of the council so that tells me he's probably doing his job as a department head when that comes about a couple of thoughts I think in terms of Contributions all I can say is Alderman Schultz the fire department could have dealt with you Had they given you a hundred dollars perhaps that would have been the remedy because That would then force you to refuse yourself in any future discussion I don't think we've given this probably as much weight as it deserves and for that purpose I certainly would also move to call the question all of them in ports Thank you, Your Honor. I worked for Terry for quite a few years now We're gonna obsessize a political spectrum, but I've never known Terry not to put the city first I have the utmost respect for Terry and I Will vote to file this document chief sayer you had your hand up. Would you like to speak? You don't have to his department head his department head. Thank you. I just feel compelled to respond number one Think the mayor and my cuts and the city attorney McLean can test That I refused to go into closed sessions with Orange Cross and a bit in the interest that I thought it might be the best For the city to meet with all myself. So the comments about the Alderman Schultz made that I was in closed sessions I removed myself from closed sessions probably five or six of them whatever whatever they met Number two as a department head in the shabuagan fire department I have a duty and obligation of sworn to that flag into this city to try and promote the welfare of the citizens of The city of shabuagan when the firefighters came forth to do that. That was our job It's being done in 20 or 30 major cities across the state when this council voted To go with Orange Cross succeed go for a contract to Orange Cross Myself my staff we laid low we let it happen. We wanted it to happen because that's what you would decide it That's what supposedly the citizens that you heard from thought wasn't the best interest and When the present presentations for Orange Cross were done up here the Orange Cross did their There's saying saying we can respond in three and a half minutes, you know We can we can do this we need two paramedics and when I see the department head Documents come from Orange Cross now. They don't need a contract. They want to respond in eight minutes They want to have be able to respond with one paramedic one EMT I don't think we're in right playing field at that point I have an obligation as a department up here to inform alderman that I don't think that's right for the community I don't want my mother to be responded to that way And I want my friends to be responded to that way and people that I don't know in the city I feel have a right to be responded to in the last ten years now I'm not saying Orange Cross is gonna do that. But why did they refuse to sign a contract? It's been a lot of pressure on our department and I am here to say that We've been trying to work together to get a contract and things that only Michelle said about myself and my department I feel are not true and I there is no He made a comment that there was a spreadsheet on Seen times. No, there was a couple of comments by myself. We're concerned about those on seen times and myself and Alderman Warner spend We are on a coalition on the committee that's supposed to oversight where we think there could be improvements and where there's some problems That's my job. That's what I've been appointed to do That's what the mayor put me on the committee and Alderman Warner to sit here and look at what's in the best interest of this community And that's what I was sworn to do and that's what I will do and no alderman or anybody's gonna stop me from doing what I believe is in the best interests of the city of Sheboygan and I thank you Okay, Pat With all that being said on this document. We did get a lot of discussion out of it, didn't we? Would you call the roll, please Okay, you want to start over no, that's divan Akron Teevin Akron Vanderwheel Wongaman Excuse me, I had him crossed off. That's right. He's very quiet tonight warner Winninger Bowman D-Berg Eberg Doyle Manny 13 eyes to nose motion carried 2062 is submitting an application from John Travis for change in zoning classification property located at 1839 Erie Avenue from class UI urban industrial class SO suburban office land commission 2063 is a resolution directing a public hearing to be held in connection with change of the city's official zoning map for property located at 1839 Erie Avenue all the wind oil Yes, John. I moved that 2063 be put upon its passage Moved in second a resolution be put upon its passage under discussion hearing none. All in favor Post motion carried 2064 is in ordinance amending the official zoning map of the Sheboygan zoning ordinance to change the use district classification of property located at 1839 Erie Avenue that will go to plan permission Move to the second day adjourned. Is there any discussion hearing not all in favor