 So I know you've been into that kind of shit, like Alexander the Great, and all the different conquerors. Yeah. Pippin, Chalamine, Clovis. Now is this stuff that you just studied because you wanted to study conquerors that just interest you? I wanted to study that mindset. You know, and I found that the greatest conquerors, they ever lived with farmers. She heard us. Somebody that we weren't think that's important and stuff. And then as they became great through that, they may have gave birth to great children who were born with greatness, like Alexander the Great and stuff, like Philip the Macedonian, that whole bloodline of Alexander, they were all kings, but they were all very small and insignificant. It was always one Alexander before him that was pretty great and fought against the Persians, but eventually they lost and they pretty much kissed the Persians ass. You know what I mean? The Persians put them in a position of power until Philip Macedonia came who had the nickname AKA Philip the Barbarian. And he wanted to go across and enslave all the Persians and everybody after that, the world. And Alexander the Great, mother who was a really interesting woman. I'm trying to say Albanian, maybe, and they had a different kind of study and worship and stuff back then. So he got caught up in that. His family didn't like her for that. But she arranged for Alexander's father, I think, to be killed for Alexander to have the power to her kicks, the power she can lead to her kids while he was on campaigns. And when he was on these campaigns, now that his father was gone, he just conquered everything. But when he ran into the Afghanian people, he fell in love with them. He wanted to interbreed with them. He wanted to create a new race of Afghani. He has madly fell in love with them. And that's pretty much why his family is not the same, but the Greeks went what they went mountain mutiny on him because they were jealous that they were given big positions to the Persians and the Afghans. He loved them. He even quoted the Afghans as the most beautiful people in the world. God must have loved them more than anybody. He made them beautiful. He really fell in love with them. When did you start getting really into, like, conquerors? When you start really... I'm 15. You're 15? Yeah. What introduced you to it? I was at the table eating with a friend of mine named Craig Wall said a statement which he was wrong, but it sounds really good to make me investigate. He said, Alexander the Great at his time was like 6'5", so at 6'5", 300 years before Christ, that was a giant, which was wrong. He was very small. The arm was too big for him. He was a really small guy. He wasn't big at all. And so just that alone, him saying that got you interested in that? Yeah, I went in and said he was a monster. He was a massive guy, but I found that he's just a small man, average guy. You know, he's not a mach monster at all, not a big man at all. But you got interested in the mindset of the conquerors. Yeah. Listen, this is what I want to know. Why would one person think that he could fucking own the whole world, one person? Why would he have that mind? Who would think like that? Why would a man person... Why would... That's not a fucking person. That's just something... When your ego's just got so out of whack, when you just can't think rational. How do you think like that? And you're a nice person. It was a guy before him a couple of hundred years before him named Cyrus the Great. He was just... He was a conqueror, but he was a conqueror for liberty. He wanted to conquer all the slaves and let them go, conquer all the slave masters, let them go. He got killed for that too. But who the hell... Maybe that sounds cool too, right? Yeah. That's good. That's a good thing. But listen, think about it. Who the fuck is he to take somebody else's property, take somebody else's stuff because he believes it's wrong? Which it probably is wrong. I think it's wrong. But who the fuck is he? Right. Who is this guy to conquer you, you don't bother nobody, but this is what they did back then. Now you're killing everybody. Back then, it was really legal. It's almost in the Bible. It's in the books. It's not... I won't say the Bible. It's in books, slavery. It's in the books, in the religious books that we need slaves and he did this. And this guy's going to say, hey, no more slaves. He's 500 BC, so he's going to say no more slaves. No more slavery is wrong through the whole world. So he wants to conquer the world and free all the slaves. So that's just a different mindset. Yeah, they're different kinds of mindsets that these conquerors have. But who do you think he is? Who the hell is he? He has this little town over here. How he's going to go over the whole world. His town is right here. Well, forget his town. His country is right here. Yeah. You know? And he didn't even conquer this country and now he's going to conquer the world and liberate freedom, make freedom. What kind of... Now that's nothing. If that's not somebody on drugs, you tell me. No, you tell me. Now, be honest. That's not somebody high. You tell me. It could be Coke. No, it's something. It's something. I'm going to free everybody. Right. This is the... No, at 500 BC, this is slavery is what it is. This is the way of the world. No, I'm going to free all the slaves. That's pretty crazy. I'm going to free everybody. What did you get out of reading about their mindset? Like studying Temujin, studying Alexander the Great? What did you get out of reading about their mindsets? Well, I found out that the greatest ones, the best, the most politic ones were all mama's boys. Really? Yeah. Frater than mother. Wow. Napoleon, Alexander. You know what I mean? Wow. Genghis Khan too? Yeah. Really? Yeah. What do you think that is? Huh? What do you think that's all about? Highly respect their mother. I think their mothers were the first... Especially Alexander the Great, I think she was the first stage mother. I think there was some before her too. You know, because Cleopatra was... That's just what they were at the end of the day. They were wanting to lead through their sons or their daughters or something like that. Oh, okay. Like that parent that takes their kids to athletic events and screams and cheers and pumps them up and... No, no, no, no. It's the parent whose child's word is law and I want to be able to have that word. Okay. Do you get that? Yeah. My son is the king. Right. There's a couple of countries, but I want my thought to come out of his mouth. Do you think the parents convinced the child that they were that special that they should run the world? Some of them do, but as some kids get older, like Ivan the Great, Ivan the Terrible, they get older and then they realize these people weren't right with me and they start killing his sponsors or the people that would rep his step-parents and stuff. Some of the kings did it too. So when you were studying this, when you were coming up as a boxer and you're studying all these conquerors, you were trying to understand their mindsets. And you were trying to apply that to your own life? Pretty much, yeah. Did you get anything out of it? Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. What did you get? Did it apply to your own life? Well, at the end of the day, they all ask God for forgiveness, all of them. So when you're reading all these books about all these conquerors, when you're a young man and you're on your way to becoming the youngest ever heavyweight champion and you're trying to take on the mindset of the conquerors and you find out they all ask God for forgiveness, how did that affect you? That was pretty cool. But by that, I learned greatness was the willingness to die by, you know, doing research on these particular individuals. And that's what they were willing to do for greatness. And you... You know, you heard about Achilles and stuff, he said, what did he want a short life of greatness than a long life of obscurity? Yeah. He wanted a short life. And that's what Alexander did. When you study these people and you take that conqueror's mindset, did you get anything out of that? Did you apply that into your own pursuit as a champion? Absolutely. Because you have to listen, Alexander the Great was 32 and he conquered the known world. Yeah. In 10 years. And so thinking about that as a young man. Absolutely. And I want my preeminence to variable the times, you know, in the sands of time. It's not rain with it. I think everybody should want that, that are competitive in the art of, what do you say, immortality? And I search for it. That's what he wanted. He wanted immortality. That's what he wanted. He wanted to be known since, you know, till the end of time. Did you ever think that maybe you were born in the wrong time? And maybe if you were born in the times of Alexander the Great, you would also be a conqueror? No. I am a conqueror now because I've conquered myself and my demons. You know, not because I'm at that time, I'm never born till I'm born in the right time. Most of them couldn't conquer their demons. That's why they ask for forgiveness from God, all of them. It was just like the gentleman that discovered alcohol is anonymous, you know. He inspired, maybe he had a problem with alcohol at the end, but how many people have been inspired? Yeah. That is so much bigger than him succeeding or not with his problem. You know, what's interesting about him is he was interested in LSD. Bill Wilson, yeah. Yeah. That was a big thing of his. That's what instructed him to have the program, to develop the program. When you're talking about they all would seek forgiveness from God, it's so interesting to me that you turn to cannabis and cannabis will allow you to forgive yourself. Yeah. Listen, the reason why they ask for forgiveness from God, this is why, this is interesting that you said that it's because they believed they were God and they had that at the end of the day, realized and checked themselves. But they're not. Yeah. They're not God. And then they've done horrific things. Oh, yeah. At the end of his life, he was so forgiving and giving everything away and so sorry for everybody. Wow. He didn't know how to forgive himself, either. He didn't know how. How do you do that when you think you go? How do you forgive yourself? So at the end of the day, he said, look, the man who conquered the world died with nothing in his hand. He gave everything away, had no swords or nothing. Wow. He was so freaked out about dying, being the rich guy and stuff and having so much property and having the world like he possessed because he had the world. It's this gentleman that he, well, Eugenius, the guy that they named Sloth at the end was Sloth. Eugenius. I don't know. But he was like, he's considered a homeless bum nowadays. Today he would be called a bum, a homeless guy, whatever. And Alexander been watching him. This is how keen he is. He's watched this guy for years. And he said, listen, before he became king of Greece, he's watched this guy. This is when he went to king of Greece. And he said, hey, listen, I watch you and I have everything. And I'm unhappy. And you don't have nothing. So what can I do for you to make you happy? And know what he said? Know what he had the balls to say? He said, first of all, you can be kind enough to move out the way of the sun and then allow me to enjoy my day. And he couldn't conceive of somebody to turn him down from riches and stuff. He couldn't conceive of it. It just blew his mind. He was so blown away. He couldn't even kill the guy for disrespecting him. He was just blown away. He said, I have everything. And I didn't realize he wasn't happy. He had it all. He's the king of Greece. He didn't even know where he was getting ready to go. He didn't even be king of the world. But he's the king of Greece and he's just not happy. And he has everything. So he thinks about conquering the world is going to make him happy. And he did. And what happened? He turned into a drug. Wow. Imagine that. It's crazy. That's how he experienced a new drug. Listen, when you went on a campaign, know what I thought? I thought when you went on a campaign, the movies lie. They say you go on a campaign to just about 300 gladiators or what, 10,000 soldiers. No, they bring their whole family with them. It's like a party. They're wives. They're kids. They're everything. They got the surveyors with them, housebuilders with them, the people who deal with agriculture for that type. Everything's with them. Wine. They can test everything when they conquer. Conquering. You know what conquering is? We think that's glorious. Conquering is glorious. Know why? Know why it is? Conquering is robbing, raiding, illegally taking somebody else's goods and enslaving them. Conquering. That's not good people. All the people we like, we say these guys, this guy, he conquered this, he conquered that. They hurt people. They did it for greed. They didn't do it for, we're going to help our people. They did it to take things because they could. Now when you were coming up as a fighter and you were reading all these things about conquers, you were fueling your mind in that way and you were also studying a lot of fights. You studied all the old school champions. Are you doing that now in this resurgence? Are you studying? No. I think I know everything about them already. I did the research of them when I was a kid, so I started going to the other level, so I go from the level of these guys that are fighters, the gladiators, all those guys, so I go from them to the generals and from the generals to the gods.