 How are you doing? Good, thanks. All right, folks, let's get started. We got a lot of stuff going on as usual. Thanks, everyone, for coming. The target passes. OK, can we come to the meeting, please? Thank you. Public comment for items not on the agenda? Larry? If I could take just a minute concerning something that I hope you'll be able to put on your next agenda formally and approve it. This is from the Historic Preservation Commission, and you recall that over the past year, we've been in the process of developing a historic register district nomination for East Calus. That work is done, essentially. It's at the state level now, and one hopes it'll go forward. We've now followed that. We're doing a similar project with one additional wrinkle for the village or the Hamlet of Adamant, seeking historic registered district status for the Adamant community. We got a CLG grant for that, and we're using that fund as we did last year for East Calus. We're using that to hire a consultant to develop the report that's the basis, that is the nomination. Felling Brian Knight did the East Calus work, and everyone was very pleased with that. We had two proposals this time, his being one of them, and we decided that, assuming he would be content with the kind of contract that we gave him, that we would select him again, and he was. So what I have here is the contract that he has signed, and I wanted to leave that with you and get guidance from you as to how we can get this considered and approved. I hope that it will be. We could do it briefly. It sounds like it didn't make it to the agenda, so we don't have the ability tonight to sign it, but we could do it on the 22nd really quick. What is the timeline to get this to sign? We're fine. The first formal event that will take place under this contract is a community kickoff event, which we've scheduled now for the 16th of August, which is right. Hopefully it will work out. It will be after the Friday night cookout that night. We'll see. One little wrinkle to this that would be interesting, and I would be grateful for any thoughts or advice you might have going forward, and there's going to be an oral history component to this one, which we've not had before. So we'll probably have only about four people, but we're trying to develop a list of the best people to do oral histories for adamant and stuff that's happened there. So we've got some ideas, but we're open to any suggestions. Yeah, Gail and Judy and those folks might have some suggestions. Lester, totally. Yeah, let's just say to you that we don't have Lester. That Lester. Right, we haven't talked to him yet, but he is one Frank Soufamel for the music school. Right, yep, absolutely. And there are a couple of other folks that we might have. Yeah, I know the porters have lived there for a long time. They have, yeah, they have. And there's some folks. There's a woman I can't remember her name, but several people suggest her, and I never heard of her. But I'm sure you would know her. You'll probably end up with more than four people. I know, but we could only pay for four, so. All right, so I'll put this on our 722 agenda for signing. OK, and either I or perhaps Scott will come. All right, thanks Larry. Thank you. You're the only staying, enjoy the fun. I may stay and see what I talk to you guys. Would you, Peter, do it? Yep. OK, Peter. OK, so. I'll make it quick. Really quick. Before, just before you mode, Lucy and I went out and drove the road sides, all of the road sides in town over two days. I'm still writing up what we rode out and what we mapped. It turned out I need to be a bit more efficient about it to find a different way. Then you mode. This is what you mode three weeks ago, four weeks ago. Is that the same plant? That's the same plant. This is from your road side. This is from Lightning Ridge is the worst hit in all of Calis. The two of you each have manageable road sides, and you can get rid of it. And we're learning how to do that. And, Denise, you've got one plant just below your driveway this year. That means that you're going to have at least six where that one plant was next year. So this is a wild churril that I just pulled today from your road side. This is what you got mowed off. You can see it doesn't get killed. What it does is this stopped it from going to seed. But it didn't stop each plant from producing another separate between three and six or more plants around it, which look like this already this year. And these are plants that I pulled. And these are just now about five weeks old. So these are actually a little older than what you have. But they will go to flower at this height, which is like two weeks old. And then they'll go to seed. These are now going to seed up here. These will be going to seed over the next week or two, which means that when you mow the road sides, you're going to be spreading these seeds further and further, including up your road. And so that's really all I wanted to say was is when you mow it, all you do is delay. It doesn't die. This is a plant that's not a biennial. It only stops producing. It only dies when it is allowed to go to seed. So this plant will try again next year. And the other six plants that it's produced will try again next year. And then when you mow it, then you'll have six times as many seeds next year. And they'll have six times as many seeds a year after that. So you're never going to get it by mowing it. And you're only going to get it by actually more than pulling it, but actually digging these up, which is not feasible on about four or five roads right now. Or anywhere really. Yeah, it is. Who's got time to do that? I don't even have time to vacuum in the house. You're going to have, you're not going to have any time to do anything when your fields are full of them. I'm just telling you, I've been after it for four years now. Peter, can you confirm that the tall stuff you have, you said you had that from Lightning Ridge? From Lightning Ridge, from within the town's right of way on Lightning Ridge. It's within the town's right of way, but you're only mowing somewhere between zero and four feet in the town right of way. And this has already gone beyond. And while turbo will go into the woods, and it's already headed into the woods, you've got a couple of thousand feet of frontage, I think. So it's just heading into the woods. So to wrap this up, I guess your point is you want to see what this looks like. I wanted you to rather than try to get you out there to look at it, I wanted to bring the turbo to you. Well, I will go and look at it by my driveway. So this is no information. This is different information than we understood, I think you too. Last year that we were informed over many conversations that this was a biennial, that if we pulled it one year and got them, then they would only try one more year and then that would be it. But now we're hearing that they're perennials basically. Since I first came to you six weeks ago, I've done nothing but talk to people, go out and survey Dr. Farmers, talk to people, the woman, who I can't remember her name right now, who's running the program about invasive species in the roadside, who Alfred is working with. Is that Joanne? Yes. Joanne Gartner. Joanne Gartner program. Has, I think said in her report that she's recommending four or five times a year of mowing. I don't know if anybody was going to do that. I did go to the Marshfield meeting that she went to present it and she didn't get very far near either because the road crew does the mowing in Marshfield and then you just doubled your budget from 5,000 to 10,000 to mow it twice. Right. Mowing isn't going to take care of this. I think the only thing that's going to take care of this is keeping it from the roads that it's not in yet, of which there are only half a dozen roads in town that are probably not manageable. Okay. Keep it out of those. All route 14 is full of it. I just have people moving hay all over town. I think this is, what you're doing is really, really important work, but you're not on the agenda tonight. We have public comment, which you've had. I've had enough time. I've had plenty of time. If you would like to have us discuss this further and answer questions and have that dialogue, I can put you on probably in August. Okay. In August, I'll have a lot more information, but this will not be green by another month. None of these plants will be, these will be green, but these won't be. These will be brown, and they will have gone to sea. It's for us to ask questions, because, yeah, we don't have time. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure there's more questions than everybody has. Well, I'll go on further along. I'm going to slow down to one day a month, or one day a week now, because I've been doing this for six days a week for the last six weeks. Yeah, I know you have to put a lot of time and so I can't do that anymore, but I'm convinced that there are two different ways. There are two different problems. Okay, so let's have- One is your problem, and one is the homeowners. I've been going to homeowners on Lightning Ridge, who have no idea what this stuff is. Right, so I think that maybe some kind of a meeting to educate the public is really in order, and maybe we can get something together with Joanne. Garton, I can contact her and see if she's on the phone. Well, let me follow him with her again. We'll have to talk with her several times. And I don't think that's going to work, I think, but we have to find something that does. So, like I said, it's- See you in August. Yeah, we'll see you in August. Okay. And I'll contact Joanne as well. And you will contact me about which meeting in August. Right. Okay. And I'll have a lot more information. Right now, it's just, we're circulating things around. Yeah. But I'll be working with UVM and- Right. A few other places. Well, it's really important to work and we appreciate your efforts. Very informative. Thank you. Thank you very much. You're a chervil expert. No, but I'm finding out that it is doable. And, John, you can do something about it. Okay, so we really have to cut this off. Thank you. Thank you very much. All right, thank you. You're welcome to stay for the rest of the meeting. No, I'm going to go home. Take your chervil with you. Yes. And don't bother me. Don't bother me, please. You also have the rainbow sign here. Right on the- Jen, grab the tissue and wipe the corner of the table, please. There's a blue gun, too. So you got it in your town hall. Okay. Thank you, Peter. Okay. All right. Any other public- Any other public comments? Thank you. Anybody else- Is there anybody else back in the room? Not that I see. All right. Changes or additions to the agenda? I'd like to quickly change. Good. Eight o'clock, we've scheduled to have a discussion regarding the IT RFP. If there are no objections, I'd like to move that to the end of the meeting because there's a possibility we may need to go into executive session due to some of the contractual elements that are discussed in RFP. All right. Anybody have any objections to that? All right. Moving right along. Elizabeth Casey. Are you Elizabeth Casey? Yep. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Welcome to Dallas. Thank you. So thank you for working with us on the LEMP, not L-E-O-P anymore. And agreeing to be our public information officer should we have an event and need that help. So we've never had this position before. So I would make a motion that we appoint Elizabeth Casey as a public information officer for our LEMP. So we're good. Can you give us a little information about why you wanna do this? We're not, we're very happy. Yes, yes. Right now I work for the Agencies of National Resources as their communications director. And so I have done some crisis communication when there's different pieces that apply to the public about water contamination or algae blooms, et cetera. And so I've been working on that for several years and Nicko then approached me about being the PIO for Calis and I think it's a good opportunity to help communicate when needs arise. And we would work with the Vermont Emergency Management folks to make sure that we're doing it in a sufficient way. Perfect. So yeah, I worked here for about a year before that I lived in Brookfield and Windsor and Woodstock and then Oregon. Great. And now you're a little bit. Downtown, maybe. Exactly, downtown, stop by. You know, paddle boards, paddle boats. Are you and Steve and Anzel Pisces? Yeah, Steve, he's a gambler. Yep, yep, yep, yep. And you painted it different colors? They already painted it. Oh, they did, oh they did, they did, they did. Otherwise I would have left it purple and everyone would have hated me. Well, thank you so much. Thank you for the opportunity. And you know this job pays really well. Of course, that's what got me here. All right, would you like to take a vote on this? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed, turn on. You're on. Thank you. And you've got a copy or it's online of the report. Yes, I'll look online and then I'll talk better. Yep, all right, perfect. Great, thank you. Thank you. We now are going to hear from our delinquent tax collector and the Treasury Board. I think we should put the content for the other people. Oh, that's the model. And for other stuff, he's retired now, I know. That's why you took over. So you're a delinquent. I am. Do you know? You're a delinquent and you're a tax collector. I am the tax collector and you're a delinquent tax collector. You're a treasurer, it's all the time you're a tax collector, but sometimes it's the constable. What are you right now? At this time, I am the delinquent tax collector and I am updating the report that we reviewed on June 20th. And we don't need it, but just as a very quick recap, on June 20th, when we last met to discuss this issue, we were, the delinquencies were in excess of $65,000. And as of today, they are in excess of $47,000. So a significant amount of delinquent taxes has come in since that time, which very much improved the outlook of our bottom line. Again, with this report, as with the previous report, I have referred to parcels and taxpayers by number. And the tax, the orange indicates my recommendations for parcels to be turned over to Gloria of Rice based on no contact and no payment. And that's the, right OK, that's the orange one too. So I would like to just update you very quickly. Number two, made a significant payment and reached out before the close of the fiscal year. Regrettably today in the mail, that check was returned NSF and there has been no contact discussing that. So that is of some concern. There are two parcels, number seven and number 18, where the amounts are small enough that it might be doubly, doubly punitive to turn them over to the attorney because of the costs involved that will be passed along to them once they're in that system. And I would leave that to the select board's discretion as to whether or not we want to do that. The first number seven is actually not likely to pay at all. $3,000 of that was paid on his behalf by a relative who was the prior owner of this parcel. But again, that's really your call. The other ones, the other numbered parcels in orange, it's just very simply there's been no contact and no payment. Oh, there was one phone call. Number 19 did make a phone call to say he was looking into it and never followed up and did not send a check. So you can mull this over. You can decide maybe by the end of your next meeting if we are going to take this course of action or how you would like to deal with it. So you'd like to know by the end of July whether we're going to turn properties over to the next attorney. Yeah, I think by your next meeting that will give you all a chance to think about it. I think in particular we don't have a policy in place. And maybe this is an opportunity for a policy to be created to do the delinquency. No, no, that's not what I was going to say. But to talk about the really small amounts of delinquencies that are really likely not to be paid, the one number 18, that parcel was purchased at tax sale. And the new purchaser, who is a callous resident, has not paid or responded to any requests for payment of these taxes. I would want to make sure that we treat everybody the same. So you want to really think about it, I think. Those small amounts bother me. They do. But I can honestly tell you the one, the number seven is really not likely to pay. But my concern is why would number seven and number 18, I guess I don't know why we would give them a pass. Well, that is your call. I know. I'm just thinking of out here. And that's where we have a very detailed delinquent tax policy, because in terms of notifying people, but in terms of where you actually pull the trigger to give that expression, we don't have a policy on this. Like number 15 and 16, their amounts are similar to number 18. They're on a payment plan. They're on a payment plan and happen to pay. But that's what I mean. But their amount is small. Similar to seven and 18. And you're suggesting that maybe we would forgive number 18, but yet number 15 and 16 are on a payment plan for about the same amount. That doesn't seem. Well, I would just simply point out to you that the delinquent tax policy is respectful of payment plans, as long as the taxpayers are abiding by them once a payment plan is in place. So that's what distinguishes them. These folks were not on a payment plan, and there's no contact. I know. That's my point. That's my point. Is those folks are on a payment plan there? And they're suffering the consequences of their payment. I get that. And that is your fault. And these people haven't. And so my question to myself is, why is it OK for them to be on a payment plan for a small amount? They're doing what they can to pay off. But yet other folks that have a similar amount that haven't made any contact with me, any effort, why would we forgive that? Well, we're not going to suggest we forgive it. That carries forward onto the next bill. That carries forward, and we don't not pursue it aggressively. Not pursue it by turning it over into a tax settlement. But it could get taped off to the next bill. But if they don't pay their next bill, then their delinquency is increased by this prior delinquency. And that would make it shorter. As we talk about the level of effort, that relative to the amount corrected. You're suggesting an in-between. We don't turn it over to Gloria and incur the expense over that small amount. But we don't forgive it. We don't forgive it. Tap it onto the next bill. Which was the opinion at that time. Right, exactly. Well, it's never tapped onto the next bill. It remains its own separate bill. But what happens is, over time, those bills accumulate to an amount larger than we want to have. I understand that. Yeah, yeah. OK, thank you. So I would just simply ask the board to consider that. And I do want to draw your attention to our, to how we ended the fiscal year. I will have these for you by next meeting up on the board, but not tonight. I'm sorry. Today became a very challenging day. So we ended the fiscal year, negative $9,173.34. So my earlier projection that we would be down by $20,000 to $30,000, it is happily not so. And actually, that $20,000 that came in at the last minute on delinquent taxes put us into this much better situation. What was the number that we were? Oh, that we don't have that. $1,173. $9,173.34. Between now and your next meeting, the auditors will be into audit FY19. There is statutory guidance on what a town must do with a deficit. The question is, will a select board be able to not collect that deficit and let the fund balance, absorb it? Or do they have that choice? Or must they comply with the statutory requirement to collect it? And in our case, the way I read the statute, our attorney is on vacation right now, but that statute looks like we would basically add that $9,100 to our budget more or less and then raise it in taxes for the next year. Basically, the statute says we cannot carry a deficit forward. So by the next select board meeting, I will have either or both input from the town's independent auditors or Jim Barlow, the attorney, as to whether you must collect it or whether you do have a choice to not collect it, given the fact that you have a fund balance. So can I point to clarification? So I understand. Were these taxes paid timely, the ones that are people are under rears on, we would not be able to end that deficit. Absolutely. So just to be clear, our select board did not act imprudently. We acted within our budgetary constraints, but we came up short $44,000. And in fact, it's $47,000. And if, in fact, all taxes were paid timely, we'd have a surplus of some almost $38,000, correct? The $40,000 isn't great. The deficit is less than 10%. So maybe that is a very good clarification. And the minute she reads it like that. So let me just give the minute and the film in rounded numbers how the select board was not imprudent. The budgeted expenditures were $872,000 plus. The actual expenditures were $862,000 plus. So we were underspent or under budget by $10,000. Very good. Thank you for the clarification. Thank you. I was getting to that. I just want to make sure that the general public is understanding of. And it is very important. And the last update, I think your agenda is pretty clear. And the carry forward from last fiscal year could be the combined taxes received next week should a significant tax vary in significant arrears. Right. And what happens now is everything is in FY20. So all revenues that are coming in really do not affect FY19 anymore. We're closed. So that you have also an idea of how the fund balance has been affected. We opened the year, rounded with $318,000. And the fund balance, we closed the year with $309,000 in rounded numbers. So that's where that $9100 fits in. And last piece of information on this, the highway fund did end the year in the black nicely. And we transferred from their budget to their capital equipment fund per article, voted on by the town, the amount of $21,577.04. So that goes right into their capital equipment fund, which now is at $102,401.96. And is any of that money spoken for? Yes. Roughly $40,000 will come out of that capital equipment fund to meet the 2019 West Star lease obligation in January. So that will bring us to about 60 years of it. Yes. It's still under capital equipment fund. Yes. That is my update. And I'm happy to have any questions. And now, what do I ask? I'm going to just launch into something to add off the agenda. Yes. Before we go to a different topic, I would like to request or suggest that Sandra and Katie work together, because you were tossing numbers around with concepts faster than I can absorb, so that you've seen what Katie captured or had a chance to tighten it up for whatever before that five day where it's something confusing or wrong becomes public. Yeah. Yeah, Katie is usually pretty good about asking questions before she posts anything, but she's not sure. Would you rather I send this to Sandra before I post the draft minutes that I get a confirmation from her? Yeah. Yes, please. All the time posting means public. Yeah, well, especially for this. And whenever we ask. Right. Sure. Yes, I understand. Thank you. That's Katie. OK, so you have one more issue that arose today. So an issue that arose today that I'm basically asking for forgiveness, not permission, has to do with our employment of our beloved swim assistants and the swim program. The swim program folks and I have over the course of the last couple of months sussed out a number of wage and labor issues and an issue that we hadn't sussed out because it really was on no one's radar was if there was an age requirement for a swim assistant. You folks sent me to a human relations workshop in June where I was educated by a representative from the US Department of Labor about child labor laws specific to our program. He sat with me. I spoke with him personally. And as it turns out, there is a regulation concerning lifeguards. He felt our swim assistants would fall under that. And they must be 15 years or older. So the way the regulation is written, if a job is not listed, 14 and 15 year olds are prohibited from it. There is no job called swim assistant, only lifeguard. But he felt that a likely interpretation by the department if it should come before the department would be to treat them as a lifeguard. But they would have to be at least 15 years old. And certified. Well, there is a certification requirement. But we don't have that requirement here. Swim assistants, I did not get that information to Dylan. It just fell between the cracks. It wasn't on my radar. There were several things on the radar with a swim program. That wasn't one of them. It fell between the cracks closing down the year. I had a swim assistant come in today to be onboarded. She was 14. And when I discovered that, I had to say to her and her mom, I'm so sorry I can't employ you for this job. I was told at that point she had already worked a week and a day. And this is where I'm asking for forgiveness and not permission. I really was very upset. I'm sure they saw that. I don't know how they interpreted that. Because the last thing I want to do is tell the kids who's worked probably a very first job that they're not going to get paid. So I did say that I would come to the select board tonight and that I would like to pay them. And I would need to just simply let the select board know. So I am letting you know that I did offer that to this young person. And I am hoping that now I'm asking you, I am hoping that you could ratify that. I have a couple questions. Not a promise, but that offering to this person, to this young person. The person, this kid that came in, they had not filled out the paperwork before they started their job. No. In fact, none of the swim program, high rates, because this would have been avoided had they committed to fill out the paperwork ahead of time like most people do at most jobs. And I understand it's a small, it's a callous swim program. It's small, it's been in operation for a really long time and they've done a really good job. So I would be in favor of we should pay this kid who worked. I would not want to see them not get paid. I don't know, is there any liability? What if we paid? There may be. There certainly is. And you would be assuming that liability if the issue ever came before wage and labor. But there would be a fine to the town. What is the cost of the fine? It could be as much as $5,000. And I certainly would think that this would not get people wage and labor. But the labor's already been performed. Right, the labor is. The act of making a payment. That's right. That it's already after the fact there's an obligation made. Right, the thing already happened. The labor's performed under that album. Right, but I'm talking about from the future. So for the future, I was upset. And then I got angry. Then I calmed down. And then one of the very hard working program volunteers, was upset and expressed that with me for a lack of timeliness. And I understand that. And I own that that information was not timely transfer. However, I think rather than point fingers at one another. Right, let's figure out how to fix that. I think we need to be informed and understand that we have a process that isn't in place. And we need to put one in. I wonder if it would help to have a meeting with some of the key players in the swim program. Come up with a process. And this would apply also to, I don't know, the Curtis Pond. Curtis Pond, whatever those people call it. The checkers, checkers. Yeah, the algae checkers or whatever they are. The greeters. The greeters, that's it. I mean, we want kids to work. We want them to have a good work ethic and get paid and so forth. But as volunteers, swim program, Curtis Pond, people, maybe if we had a checklist that we could put together of, this is what you need to do before anybody starts work. We are working on that in the office at this time. Barbara Butler and I have put our heads together and debriefed. And we have a memo between ourselves that is geared to doing just that. But I did want to bring it to the select board's attention because I do know we have a volunteer who is really, I'm sure, overworked and overwhelmed and is disappointed that this is not going to be smooth. And I have a young, hardworking kid and mom who were, I'm sure, shocked at this situation. We definitely need to pay her. But, and that would be, I don't know if you want a motion for that so that it's in the minutes or what people would like. I would make a motion that we pay this young person whose name I don't remember for the time that she's already done. I'm assuming that she can't do anymore. She cannot be in the water. She can be on the shore and she's assisting, but she cannot be in the water. Is she the only one are we sure? There is one other person who I think is 13 years old, but who has not worked yet. Okay, so, and that person needs to fill out the paperwork ahead of time, needs to know they can't be in the water supervising other kids. I'm a whole lot of confused. So you can employ people at ages less than 15, just so long as they're not. Well, to help them take the shoes, little water shoes on and off. No, I know. I just want to make sure that you can employ someone under. That is not on the list. That is, I think they can, because it comes under a generic category of, not prohibited or whatever. Not prohibited. In other words, they're not using any kind of power tools. They can load trucks. There are some things a 14 and 15 year old can do, but a 13 year old can not do really anything and be paid, let's say that. They're not. It's hard because you want these kids to have this opportunity and it's a good experience, but at the same time, we have to make sure that we're in compliance and don't put the town at any kind of risk. It can work on a farm. Well, these are non-agricultural. I know, I know. It's a non-agricultural youth employment bulletin. Okay, so I made a motion. John, second it. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. All right. I mean, it's just one of these things that happens. You know? I understand that. There's no blame. Nobody needs to carry a torch. Nobody needs to be upset or that is anybody else. Well, I'm disappointed. Sandra's not perfect. So that's the first I've heard. Pretty darn close. So all is forgiven. Nobody should be upset. But I don't want to sing kumbaya. We're not going to sing kumbaya. It's going to require some creative management on that issue. And I don't exactly know how that's going to be. That's kind of sort of a sidebar. Well, this program is a little stressed right now because one of their key people is not available this summer. So that doesn't help them either. So it's, you know, we just need to work together. That's all. Is this, is there, you talked about managing the, I'm not sure what it is. Is that something that you're going to handle or are you thinking does one of us need to make a phone call on behalf of the town and say we're sorry this happened? I just shut off an email. Okay. Katie, Katie's on this one program, by the way. And I think I was CC'd on that. So I will just express, you know, it's all good. We're, we need to work together. Let's come up with a plan so this doesn't. So we have a plan. The issue is I think that Dylan is, I think, kind of the overarching manager. The program is worried. How are they going to safely manage the 50 enrolled kids and hoping 70. 70. And I haven't been going many weeks, yeah. Well, and it would also be helpful for the future, for the Swim Committee to give the office a list of when the lessons are. We don't even know when they are. I think somebody posted something on front porch four but I didn't, I didn't think to keep it. No. Because I think the office staff doesn't even know when the Swim program operates the dates are. So that would be helpful. So I think, I think this again, we just need to work together. Communicating communication is always, always the best thing. So nobody's, nobody's to blame. Well, thank you. Kumbaya. Kumbaya. Just had to do that. I quite have myself. Yeah, I think Denise brought up a key point. It's, it's a matter of reviewing the process. There's an opportunity for improvement and that paperwork is filled up first. Right. Well, and we're going to, we're going to be having this conversation again about something else in the next six months. I mean, things happen, mistakes happen and we're learning. Right. Always. We always are learning. I'm always learning anyways. Me too. Something new always pops up. Well, thank you very much for, for giving the opportunity to train and learn more and get ourselves. Barbers on board. Barbers on board. Get better. Four hours. Four hours a week. Four hours a week. Okay. Kumbaya. All right. Great. Thank you so much. Thank you for everything. All right. Thank you very much. You're doing a fabulous job. Thank you. Okay. So Toby contacted me late in the day and he sent out an email, which I believe everybody received because I forwarded it around that there has been an issue that came up with the truck. Is this the new least, new least truck that we're talking about? It's the new truck to replace the one. So we don't have it on the agenda so we can receive information. We can't make a decision. Can I actually make a request? Yes. Given everything we have on the, on the agenda and taking a lesson from the last time we talked about this, or a piece of equipment. It could have even been the last meeting. Could we ask that you guys compile the information you have and the research you've done and put it in writing? And otherwise, we're going to spend 15 or 20 minutes eliciting it tonight. Still not be able to make a decision. And instead, we could save ourselves that time, get it in writing. Read it ahead of time. Read it ahead of time, you know. And we can't discuss, but we can shoot questions back to you for you to supplement information so that when we're here for a decision, we're ready to go. The problem is Alfred started to look at other dealers to see if there was available trucks because going to Clarkson, waiting until October and having the uncertainty is stressing him out about maintaining the one ton truck. So he actually talked to another dealer who has two trucks out on the lot. The last time we talked, there was something about Koei Chevrolet. They don't have any on the lot. They don't have a truck on the lot. No, but that was part of the discussion was going to a local dealer. Is that what you're talking about? So the local dealer don't have any inventory, period. We've looked at all the local inventory. The truck does not exist in the center of the lot. Sorry? We're broken. There's not a truck that's on the ground. So Alfred essentially reached out further to see if somebody had a truck that would meet our needs. And in Manchester, New Hampshire, there's actually two trucks sitting on the lot right now. And that's why there was this immediate return to you. It had nothing to do with, we couldn't plan ahead. I only got the offers on what the prices on those trucks are today. The concern we have is that if we wait two weeks or whatever where it's on the agenda, those trucks may be gone. That's... Didn't we authorize a purchase up to X amount? We did at the last moment. Right. That's why we're here. Because the amount actually is higher than that. But the trucks that are available. We still can't do it tonight, we didn't. Yeah, we can go with the price that we approved last time and you can let them know that we'll put it on the next agenda. I am gonna ask the board to possibly meet on the 15th next Monday. Would you put that on then? Can you tell us the price differences? The one at Clarks was this, the one in Manchester is this. So I have a chart for you guys. Oh, great. Let me show you the chart. So Clarks is the truck that we first approved. I'm just gonna buy that and you guys approve it. Say that again? The first column, where it says Clarks at the top. That's the first truck that you guys had approved money for. That's the 97. I found these two other trucks, the black truck and the white truck. Which are heavier duty. Which are heavier duty. The white one is the one I'm hoping for because it's got more features that will serve us better. Larger gas tank, heavier duty alternator. It's got the snow plow package which wires the lights. It's already in the cab. It's just a better fit for what we're gonna use the truck for. But it's $5,000 more. It's available when we can purchase it and have it in service probably by October. Whereas Clarks truck is not gonna be even, it's just gonna land here October and then you gotta put the body on it. So does this? What's the rush? I don't understand. You can't make this decision. I just came back to that. This is the last last time. Well, we already understand that. But we're just giving you the number so that you can roll it over. Roll it over and hopefully we can have a decision on the 15th. So will they hold one for you? No, they don't do that. Because these trucks are very hot items. Everybody's liking them. Everybody wants them. They like the way they respect the motor that's in them. Transmission, people buying them for them. What was the price in the minutes of the last time, Katie, that we set up to you? 116,000. 116,000. And this says 103. That's the price for the trade. But what I guess I'm saying is, you're saying the price on this is 103. We approved up to 116. So why does that not work? That was 116 for the entire truck, not including a trade. And then the trade was 18,000. That's what you approved, I understand. If you understand it differently. Who's the minutes and what is it? Yeah, a couple of minutes I can see what it actually says. This isn't outfitted from Fairfield. Yes it is. This is. All these trucks are outfitted by Fairfield. Okay, so it says to approve a five year lease purchase. Fairfield number is on the roads, right? Oh yeah, yeah, okay, got it. A mid-duty truck in an amount not to exceed $116,000 and take no less in trade than 118. 118, 118, 118, 118, 118, 118, 118, 118, 118, 118. Well, if that's the way you interpret it, then we can just go ahead. That's what it says, that's what it says. Right, but that was, my understanding was what we presented to you was that 116,000 was the purchase price of the entire thing, not including the trade. That's what you're looking at right now. But even if you do 103,000 and 18,000, it's more than 116,000. Oh, this is after trade, that final number? Yes. That's after trade. No, an amount not to, the way I read this is not to exceed 116,000 and no less than trade of 18,000. It doesn't say. Right. In other words, what you're saying. But what we presented to you was 116,000 minus 18,000, which would have been a total expenditure of $98,000. So the minutes are wrong. Well, the minutes are not clear. Right. That's what we presented to you and that's why we're here. If you want to interpret it differently and anything up to 116, including the trade, yeah. All right, okay, so I have a question. I don't, still don't understand, this is my question last time, about I understand the rush to commit to something, but I don't know if we, why is a big deal if we commit to something? I'm not saying we have to say Clarks was selling a truck and that was the equivalent, which is why we couldn't commit to Clarks and get that in December. The truck we have is functioning fine. And they're gonna, and they take in the trade and they commit to trade. I don't understand. Right. And it's a truck with 60 some odd thousand miles on it. The only reason we're selling it is to get ahead of an issue that was resolved through welding. So I don't understand. I understand the hurry with the last truck. I don't understand the hurry here. So you haven't explained that to me. Well, and actually, I also don't understand. We authorized this last time. Oh, you said that they went, you went, they didn't have it anymore? They don't have it. They don't, they don't want. Right. No, Clarks never had a truck. Right, right, right. Clarks has a truck that is on order. I thought that we had, but I thought that that was a solution we endorse. And I think what you said at the beginning, Toby, is that you guys weren't entirely satisfied with that because there's a lot of angst around the timing. It's the timing issue. So we approve this. And they're back saying, okay, we changed our mind. We don't really like that solution where we want a different solution. And it looks like the black truck is basically meets what was authorized. It's 157, I don't know, I can't count that. So why, you know, why not the, I guess I don't understand the black truck. I don't understand the difference between the black truck and the white truck other than the leather, steering, CD player, power seats. It's a bigger gas tank. It's a bigger alternator, which this truck has lots of lights on it. And it's in the dark. But we're driving in town. We have a fuel tank three miles away. I don't understand. We're not going. Right, but that truck, it's a lot of times I fill that truck three times a day. If I've got a bigger tank, maybe I can get away with filling it once a day. Okay, so how big is the tank? It's a 40 gallon. I see, how big is the tank in your current truck? So folks, can I just bring us back to time here? Jan is sitting here waiting. We said we would do Jan around 7.30. It's now 10 minutes of eight. And I don't like to. No, I think we should be doing people waiting. We're not gonna make a decision. We can't make a decision, I have to keep saying that. So I would like to make a motion that we table this until the next meeting. And that we a lot. Sufficient time. Right, that we a lot 15 minutes for final questions that we all ask our questions independently. And so that Toby and Alfred can bring more information. Well, this is something like this is really helpful. It is really helpful, but you know. Having ahead of time would be even better. Right, and maybe. I can only put it together today because I've only got the offer. No, I understand that. So that's why that's why. But I'm gonna say going forward. And again, so I will tell the dealer that we can't make a decision and the truck in a week may not be there. And that's all I'm telling you. So that's the responsibility that we have. Part of the rush generally is the truck's availability. These trucks are going out the door fast. So we'll wait a week. Is there any other information you would need besides what you see in front of you? I mean, essentially the financial parts are all spelled out. Yeah, and so I mean, I'm seeing a lot of stuff that we're paying for that doesn't need to be in that truck. Leather, steering, CD player. Right, that's how we're seeing it. There's a list of things that are additional. I know it comes as a package, but I agree that, for instance, the fuel tank makes sense and the alternator may improve in a larger capacity. Alternator makes sense. But what would the upgrade cost be to have them upgrade the black one, for instance? If it's $1,500, it's still better than us spending $5,000. So, John, can you... We're putting a second tank in. Right, so we can look into that, the black truck. Those are the kinds of questions. Sure, and that's why we're here, alternator. The main things that I'm concerned about are the fuel tank and the alternator out there. So we have a motion... No, I know that, but we're paying for that. I know you don't, but we're paying for it. Excuse me? Maybe they can put the bigger alternator in the black truck and the bigger fuel tank in the black truck. And then we don't have to pay the $5,000 for the white truck, which... That's what I'm asking. Right, so let's look into that. All right, so can we... Tobi asked what other questions you might have. So I want to be able to do side by side, so that's what I'm asking for. Yeah, it's not a criticism. I just want to... You asked me, and I'm going to tell you what I'm interested in. Anything else... Any other questions you have, please? Throw them out here for next week so I can get some answers for them. And if you don't have the... If we don't ask the question in time for Tobi to get it, an answer, then that's bad on us. That's right. So yeah, so I will look into the price for a swapping a bigger tank in an alternator on the black truck and seeing what the number is. And can we get that to us before next meeting? As soon as I get it back from them. Okay, so there's a motion on the table and then seconded. No, I think seconded. Okay, can you say your motion again? My motion is that we table this until next week and that we ask our questions offline to Tobi so he could supplement the information. Compile and send it back to all of us. We can't discuss, but you can send us all information. Right. I don't think it needs a motion, but I'll second it. Jared just says that's what we need. Yes, that's... Well, and I think we can just table it to the 15th anyways, provided that we meet on the 15th and I'll let you know for sure after we meet tonight. I don't really think we need a motion, but one's been made and seconded, so we should vote on it. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. All right. So yes. Thank you. Thank you for your motion to just give us a... Yeah. Wait, and it didn't work. No, it didn't work. Do you think it has a door gap? Well, that's the question we can send to Tobi. Sure. I didn't hear what the color interior trim was either. Okay, next up. CBRPC has been working on this road erosion inventory report. They have a draft available. They suggested that they meet, they being Pam and Dan, probably somebody from the Planning Commission, maybe the Conservation Commission, and maybe somebody from the Select Board to review the draft. Once the draft has been reviewed, they suggested that then they present it to the full board, unless the full board would like to review the draft and then resume the final. So the stuff that was in here. So my question is, and that's why this should be quick, it should take like two minutes for people to say whether they want to be included in a meeting to review the draft. They are not available to attend a Select Board meeting probably until the end of August. A draft, a meeting to review the draft is another thing that we had in the packet. Yeah. And the objective is that the draft would be reviewed by a group of people, maybe there'd be some changes or questions that they would supplement or make changes to their report, and then it would get presented to the full board. So that's my question is, what's your pleasure? Well, the draft is going to be reviewed by the full board anyway, and one of the full board needs to be involved in that drafting. Right, this says report, I think I put the, had Katie put the email in there too. So you have that information. Is that timing, and then we have to, we have to approve it, is that what happens? Well, I think we do have to approve it. There's probably going to be questions by the board, and that doesn't mean that there can't be changes when they come to us as a full board to ask and make changes. So this seems to me like something that fits under an umbrella of a road committee that we've, that we're in the middle of. We're working on trying to get that to come to it, or what are the right words? Right, so, and they have been, I don't know if the timing works if we could ask a group of highly engaged citizens to weigh in, to weigh in, it will be useful to us and right educational for them because all of these road issues tie together when you're trying to make road maintenance decisions. I think the idea is to just get this before Alfred, Toby and some representatives from different groups. I did send an email to, and I included Stephanie Kaplan who's on the roads committee to see if people are interested in attending a meeting to go over the draft, but my question back again to the board is, do you want to be involved in reviewing the draft or do you want to wait until it becomes after this group looks at it? I don't feel like I would add a lot. Certainly I would learn things, but we've got a lot of things that we're owning directly that is better place for us to own. That's how I, that's my question. Ooh, feeling about it. It's just other things that I think. I just wanted to have that discussion. So you all had the opportunity to participate or not. It's not like you're never going to see it because it's going to come back. So is this specifically to do with the municipal roads? Road? Yeah. Right. Yeah. Okay, so, John, are you? I'm either way. I mean, if you would like the select board to be there, I'll be there. Bye, son. Good night. Good night. Or if you think, I think that a smaller group reviewing the draft is fine. And then bringing it to the full board is the way that we would seem like we should do it. That makes perfectly good sense. Okay. I don't think we need a motion for that. All right? John, you all right with that? Yep. Okay. You're on. Jan has asked me like two months ago about the time when she could meet with the select board and just so happens that this worked out. I want you for your patience. That's all right. Well, thank you for having me. Yes. And I don't know how long I want to be. Well, I will try to be brief, but I want to tell you, I'm doing this in two things. What we're working on and what I would like to eventually work on. So I asked Cliff to put up on our website. We have posted the revision project. And if you could just go and do the index of proposed, the first item there. You need to do it later? Yeah. Well, actually no, that's the actual, there should under, if you go back up, there's an index of the proposed amendments. Yeah, first bullet right there. I guess maybe it's not a highlighted. Anyway, and I'm not sure why it's not there. This is on the town's website. This is on the town's website. I took an idea from East Montpelier that everything we're working on is made to the public. And we are working basically on everything relative to water quality. We've pretty much drafted Shoreland. We've drafted a 1.9 different, a waiver, a new waiver language. We've drafted changes to 3.2 through 3.14, which is water and streams. Not that we're all final. All of this is a work in progress. Could you still have to do public hearings, right? Absolutely, absolutely. And then we have just started doing a review of flood hazard and river corridor. Now, the reason why we're adding river corridor, which is a separate overlay, is because then you get in, the town would get an additional 5% in their e-wrap. It tells what e-wrap is. Yeah, I don't remember the name of that. What is it doing? It's for the insurance. Instead of 15, instead of 12% towards insurance when there's a disaster, we're covered 12%. When you add river corridor, we'll get covered 17%. This is disasters to town properties or homeowners? I don't know. I mean, that whole thing is, all I know is that this is what the state tells you, if you really want to get a full 17% rebate, if you whatever you want to call it in your insurance, whether it's the town or, I'm assuming it's the town. You want to try to have river corridor. Okay. Now, the state has issued all new regulations. Of course. And so we've started going through it the last two times we have spent doing nothing but definitions. And that's been a real interesting thing. We do definitions and compare, and we have two places in our current regulations. And so we've had some discussion about how we want to reformat these changes. We've thought about putting abbreviations and definitions at the front end instead of the back end. We have thought of ways to do other formatting. And it's taking a lot longer than I really wanted to, but our rule is we put this stuff up on there, we review it, we discuss things a lot. And when we reach the consensus that everybody agrees we move on. So it is taking a lot of time. There are two things we still want to add. And interestingly enough, stormwater management and erosion control. And we have things interspersed in our current regulations. What we want to do is put in a standard that will be applied to all districts all over. And that would be applied by both the zoning administrator and the DRP. For stormwater management and erosion control. And erosion control. So those would be the last two things. I would hope, I was hoping, but I don't know how our timeline for this would be to maybe have a vote in March, which means we would have to have public hearings towards the end of the year if we don't make it. We'll do public hearings in the first part of next year and have a vote next November. This is template. No, these are phoning regulations or changes. Gotcha. So that's what we are pretty much have been working on. I call it death by words because you're in the weeds, regulations. And it's pretty boring. And makes your head explode, right? Yeah, it does. We wish a lot. So that's what we are working on. We intend to keep all of the language up here updated as we get it done. And I do know that lakes and streams have used this. I've had interaction with Larry. He's had a lot of questions. The one question he had is seeing a tract change version of what our existing regulations are. That will come and be published closer to the hearing date. Yeah, that would be helpful. But for you all to read the change over the change, over the change, over the change, it's an extremely complicated thing. So right now we're just working on it and then we will adjust it. And Katie's gonna be our formator in chief just who's gonna help us do the formatting of the new one and try to make it better. We wanna have links that go out to state things like what's the shoreland best management practices for shoreland? What's best management practices for your buffer? What's that? So we want that link and we have thought about every time there is a word that's in the definition we would put a, that would be colored so that you could see and hook it directly to the definition. So we're also trying to get this a little bit more updated in that sense. Great. I guess that's about it on what we have been working on unless you have any questions on it. And there are five people now? We have five, yeah. Do you wanna tell us their names, just refresh our memory? Okay. Me, Gary Root is the vice chair. John McCullough is our scribe. He writes the most bizarre minutes that you would ever wanna read. If you ever wanna have a good laugh, we have had supper-rific-blather. Supper-rific-blather. We should have that nice. As we're reviewing our river corridor thing, it's just kinda funny. Anyway. Melanie Keen, as the lawyer on the group, she keeps us in line and she issues some good give and take. And we do have some good give and take on the discussion. And Ron Scha, thank you, is the fifth one. And he actually, he took a hiatus and I was worried he wasn't gonna come back, but he did come back and he was really in full form and energized. So I'm appreciative of that. We did have a visitor one night, Jonathan Fitch, but I don't think he really thought we were very enlightening. I would like, it'd be nice to have people come, but most of the public isn't. They don't like it unless there's gonna be something. Right, when the public hearings happen, we wanna make sure we do a really good job of getting people out to your hearings before it comes to the staff work. We did have two informational meetings on Shoreland, one in Adamant and one at the... Correspondent. No, we didn't have one at Correspondent. Correspondent people came and the lakes and streams have been at our meeting and we had one at the East Calus Rec Center for the number 10 area in North Calus. And those were pretty well attended. Very good. Just a health speaking question. So you said that you work on them at every meeting and the drafts are out there. So these are, all of these hyperlinks are to working documents that change meeting over meeting. Yeah, they don't change at every meeting. That basically... Not everyone, because that's... Right, exactly. But somewhere in one of those documents, at pretty much every meeting, something changes. That's what you're saying. Right, right now the things that are changing most would be the definitions and then what we're doing with River Corridor and Plect Control. So yeah, you actually had something on that was going what I was thinking about in the text above the links. We, documents below are working drafts. So I guess maybe my suggestion is just like underscore that by saying, and they evolve at each meeting. So people understand that this is if there's a section they're interested in, they go. Usually anything is listed. Listed, please. Right, just so people know that this is, like these are changing right now. Right, well, and I don't know, is there a specific contact person for each one of those sections that maybe you? I'm pretty much controlling it and sending it to the Judy. Do you think your name should be there? No, because the authorship in the language is the group. It's the planning commission group. No, but if they had a point of contact. What's in it? If you go under commissioners. We're under planning commissions. It's all there. I like, please come to our meetings because that allows you to hear from people as, yeah, it does say that. Yeah, it does say that. Right above the first hyperlink. If after reading the drafts, you have concerns, please come to our public meetings. So I like that because that actually puts people in the room so that everybody in the board can hear from it. My suggestion is only that you help people to understand that this is not a lot. It's a working draft. You're totally working draft. You said it once. I'm not sure if it were me, I would still think, oh, they made a change there so that they're done with that, or I don't know. Right, what we usually happen, so if you see the draft of section 1.9, the waiver revision, it's version one. If there's a change, it's gonna go to version two. And we're gonna change the date. Right, I guess I, so we just, we're trying to control it by date and we've had this time frame that we just, you know, well like this week, I want it to get to the definitions and hopefully there'll be something on there. You mean to work on the definitions? Yeah, I mean. So like the last time the definitions changed was in April. That was the time, that's when all this got posted anyway. It was the first time that we put this up. Okay, right. And it was, I liked that it's on our website, though. Right, and it's just so that people will know. We're not just simply sitting here having a meeting, we are working. How about something like, these are working drafts, please keep checking back as we evolve the documents so that people know they're here now for people to look at but they are going to keep taking. I think you can just say that they're working drafts. Well, they'll be updated. And they're periodically updated as they evolve or something like that. Yeah, yeah, some ways that people know that. That's not the final one. Yeah, that it's a working draft that is in, it is in flux right now. Okay, well thank you, you guys are doing. Okay, now I'm going to change gears. Okay. When this is done, I want us to start doing something fun. Oh, can you tell us what that would be? And that is, it's called community engagement. And I went to a VLCT program on strengthening community square the future, community and economic development forum. And then I went the other day to the Downtown Historic Preservation Conference, which also was about building community and how you build community. So here's my question for you, just to ask you. When somebody asks you where do you live, what do you say? Calus. I say Calus. Yeah, I say Calus. But some people don't say Calus. Most people don't. They're adamant. Oh, I see what you mean. They're Maple Corner. They're North Calus. They're East Calus. But we're all Calus. But we're all Calus. But we are, and this is going to struggle because when you go to other towns, they have a distinct Main Street. They have a distinct streetscape. They have a distinct area that they call their community green. Calus has, I've kind of likened it to a star. We have adamant to North Calus. We have East Calus to Maple Corner, and we have Gospel Hall. Right. And the struggle is how do we become a community that kind of identifies as Calus and work through that? So this was an interesting program in both of them. One is the woman was, she does it, it's called a community sandbox and you get a whole bunch of people together. Yeah, I was trying to explain that to somebody. And you start talking about, everybody comes in and says, okay, what's so great about your town and what do you want to do? And it, everybody builds on everything. It is a group function. You have to have a facilitator there. It helps. And then you dwindle it down. What are their problems? What problems would you like to resolve? And in this case, it's up on the board here. There's something called placemaking where you take your place and you make it a space. And it is a collaborative process by which we shape our public realm in order to maximize our shared value. What's the shared value of our community? What is it that we want to do? And they have something that they call the power of 10 or the, yeah, power of 10 or something like that. So there's a lot of opportunity here. And I would like for planning to, before we do any further work on amending or rewriting our town plan, in any way is to start reimagining what we are as callous and getting the community to work together in that. It means that our focus is going to be from the bottom up and not from a project coming down. And we work on that and hopefully some ideas that come to mind allowing truck pop-ups to come and sell along here maybe once a month. Even like food trucks? Yeah. Creating little business pockets that can come along that, tie it to whatever the, when their art show is on, could we have other little pop-up businesses? The person that did Bethel University is the person who does the community sandbox. Are you familiar with Bethel University? They do pop-ups and little businesses along the street and they do education sessions along the street which would be great to have Peter in one of those fashions talking about his shirt all. So there's all kinds of that. You're talking about those two and your chair will hold. Right. And then one other thought that came out was having a high school student be on the select board, not to vote, but having a high school person be here to share the new generation. Yeah, you can have a select board intern or planning commission intern. Yeah, anything along that line. So those were all kinds of ideas and I wanted to share that with you so that you all have things, can think about this and I have a request. Is that most of this stuff takes some finances. We either have to hire a consultant to help with this or you try to get a grant to do feasibility studies if you want to do some kind. There's the Vermont Council on Rural Development. They've been doing the Marshfield Plainfield sit ramp program. A lot of those, let's call it ramp. There's a lot of opportunity there, but when you do a grant you have to have a matching fund with it. So I want to ask the select board in your next budget to put in $5,000 and I would like it to be yearly so that there's a buildup for a grant fund, I guess if you want to call it that. And it doesn't have to be just planning. It can be whatever it is in order to have the possibility so that there's money on hand. The one reason we did not get a Better Connections grant was because we didn't engage in the community and so my first step is let's engage in community, then let's work through what we need and if there's money there that we have for grants and so we put money in for conservation, not put money in for the whole issue of doing planning grants, whether it be Adamant or Maple Corner, I mean we have great places and spaces here already so it's a matter of I like the pop-up thing, that could be fun. Yeah and you could do pop-up four or five times a year, you know you could do it at different times so there's all kinds of creative possibilities to think about. You could do pop-up trucks on Greenup Day. And my last thing. I just want everybody greening up. Yeah but they want to stop and buy a hot dog while they're greening up. Yeah or a cup of coffee with a cinnamon roll. Right. Or whatever. And if you could get somebody who wanted to start a brewery that would even be better. Okay so then I had one other last thing which I thought would be fun. Okay. And I want to put this out to you. Judy put into my inbox the idea that she wanted street signs. I'll call it street signs. One of those that say welcome to Calis and then when you leave buy. Thank you for visiting. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. A friend of mine is a graphics artist and she did hers theirs for Ferrisburg. And I thought about that because brochure that Judy gave me. Yeah it's $90 for this and it's something for that and it's something for that and I thought I don't like their design. So my thought was we have all kinds of artists here in Calis. Let's have a contest. Design. What do you use? Design. Design. Design. Design. Design. What do you think Calis is like for a welcoming sign? And we might have to be different and say welcome to Calis village of Adamant. I don't know. But it's whatever thought you want. And then maybe now Ellen could help notify all of our very artsy people. Have them display what they've designed in the town hall in one of our new opening things with the town hall. Invite the town people to come and vote on what would be a good sign to say welcome to Calis and see you later. And we would need probably a little bit of money but we can maybe get donations for that in terms of if you get it a graphic ready you can take it to and I don't know what they use for the material for making those kinds of signs. They're like a flag. But certainly the things that go on the polls could be done by local carpenters or the road commission and the road people could actually install them. So I mean I'm taking that. You're talking about the banner over not the little roadside. Not the little roadside. These are the banners that you see. Like the ones in downtown Montpelier. And you could have you know whether you have four or six whether you have one at each end on County Road you could have one on each end of Lightning Ridge and you could have one on each end of 14. I mean you know there's a lot of possibilities. Right. The cost is prohibitive. 14 I'm sure. This is the state. Maybe not. Yeah we could have one of those. That's where. Yeah. Yeah. Even yeah. And that's a different sign we could get a different sign with historic East County together. I think it's a great idea. So anyway it was an idea to engage the artists engage the people to voting in it using the an opportunity to get people into the new town hall. When it's done I'm sure we'll have like an open house kind of thing would be a good opportunity for people to display what they're proposing and people to vote on it. You all think that that's a good idea. I'd be willing to like maybe work with Nell or somebody to start getting an idea of anybody who would like to design signs that kind of. Nell might really like this project and be really helpful. Right. Yeah. And I think it would be maybe a first step in engaging people to unite us. So you're looking for us to Well I'm looking for your approval to go ahead and move forward. I mean you know I don't think I should just do that on my own. No no I think it's I think it's a great idea other board members Yeah and I actually don't think you need the select board's approval and I think we should be careful about endorsing something that doesn't need our approval because we've had not very long ago we had you know an observer here and my response at least on how to get involved and where as the leadership is that you know yes our job is to make sure the roads are maintained and or provide the budget to make sure you know I'm going to put that is to support the work that people do with statutorily derived direction around the roads and a couple of other things but other than that people like Peter and you lead on things that you know Peter's a leader on a terminal doesn't need our permission except you know for the sign But I think I think it's I appreciate you bringing the topic to the board absolutely and I don't think we need it I don't know I agree with that I think it's what I'm thinking of though is like what's new middle sex is a little bit when I'm thinking of building community that's going to take power of 10 that's going to take a bunch of people from different aspects to make that work in order to create a more robust plan of where we want to be in the future right for that community and that becomes part of planning and that's where I was asking for it anyway but for the art project I think everybody I don't think anybody here would say they didn't like that idea I think it's good though to have a select board and back of it you know absolutely absolutely absolutely Katie I think your request number one and next year's budget yeah yeah okay yeah and Katie keeps notes and if you have any other questions for me otherwise I will end and you guys can go back to your meeting and end oh we've enjoyed visiting with you I appreciate your enthusiasm I love the sound of all of this yeah it's great thank you thank you all right I will do that yeah time to do something yeah yeah yeah I'm more tired of dealing with language you know that right yeah so also added in the share at Google Drive there is a link to this PowerPoint presentation if you want to take a look yeah oh good yeah actually the agency of commerce and division has more than one presentation that came on that meeting Scott Bassage was also there and he went to a different group meeting and he brought me back this community heart and soul oh nice so a field guide so I'm going to kind of read that a little bit and leave it back in here so I don't actually understand that graph yeah it's pretty it's a little too okay so yeah I don't even want to figure it out tonight yeah alright thanks thank you very much well think about middle sex because they don't they don't have any more middle sex no they don't have all their villages do they no they don't have the disparateness they just don't they don't have village district but they have definite they're doing a streetscape along too which is questionable because it's flood area right but and they're trying they're going to build an area around Shady Reel and some other place and they built the bandstand a few years ago because of that reason exactly they wanted a place to for the community to gather to gather and start to build that's there's several other things we could be down around the whole middle sex is interesting they're just putting in a new plan right John and they're they have 1700 people we have 1600 right yeah they're pretty close in the size they're pretty close yeah so it's kind of interesting alright thank you talk to you see you Jan thank you so many people cyber security I only put that on there to make sure that you guys all saw that email from VLCT Jim Carrier and then also there was one from RB tech warning about cyber security so this is just want to put it on your radar so that everybody's aware that there's a lot of nasty stuff there's a lot of cyber stuff out there I had hope to to have a draft letter for consideration for reimbursement of callous staff hours and expenses for all of the labor and additional costs that went into all of the Act 46 stuff. Judy is going to draft the letter. But you all saw the breakdown of how much was spent on that. I just wanted to put that on your radar. Traffic ordinance. Because Toby has waited on some of that. So we need to come up with a plan. We need a timeline so that we don't keep putting it on the agenda and then never do anything with it. So it's in the Google folder. Yeah. We're not going to be able to do it on the 22nd. And I think it's in color. Toby's stuff is yellow. I didn't see Toby's stuff. I didn't either. I read. I made some edits this afternoon, so you'll see it now. I think that the wrong document is in there. Because Toby have revised one, but it was actually different. It wasn't the one that I had already revised. Oh, OK. I get road that's spelled wrong. What's spelled wrong? Hey, I get road. Hey, I'm past two teeth. Did Toby have an issue where he just made some notes? I asked him to remember at the last meeting, we asked him to take time to review the traffic ordinance. We added the, I didn't get as far as where the stop sign and not stop sign, the wheel sign. He added language about that. Right. So I think if everybody could commit to reviewing this, is it in the folder for this meeting today? But wait a minute. So I read it earlier today. And I guess it's a question whether I read it. You've probably read it before. But are there these changes like Valentine Road, Hayden Road, Upper Road? That's all I saw. Right. So that is just font color. It came to me that way. I think maybe Jonathan or a previous editor had, for some reason, so I can take out Jonathan. Jonathan, we talked about this. You know why? Right. Because Jonathan didn't ever have the road names. It only had highway numbers. Sure. And it was impossible to know what those were. No, so it's great. But what I don't understand is why we can't approve it now. Because Toby made some additional changes probably since you haven't seen. Beyond saying, oh, this is a state aid highway. Right. Like actual substance. Is our yield sign been added to this one? Yes. That was in there. And then on page two, for instance, there's reference to some road numbers, but it doesn't have the name. OK. And I believe those are all. Is that going to go back to page two? Yeah, apparently it's on page two right now. Yes, he said, SAH number two was to road, OK. So you wanted to, did you go ahead and put that in? Yes, I had already. That was the work that I did was to add in parentheses next to every single one, which road it is. OK, so it must be the one I saw this. You're right. Yes. Didn't have all that. That's right. That's right. So I've combined, I hand-moved everything that he did on a separate document into this one. And see, Sharon, there's stuff that's yellow highlighted? Right, that's what Toby did. Sure. So I don't know if you're ready to. To me, that's just housekeeping. Right, but if we have to warn an agenda item to approve the revised traffic ordinance, because then the clock starts ticking for people to, within 45 days, if they oppose anything, to file a petition. So that's why I've been putting it on like this, because I didn't know where folks were at with approving it. But that's, so I guess my question is do you feel like those, what I'm going to call, housekeeping changes are of such significance that we shouldn't approve this tonight? Well, I can tell you right now there's a typo, not a typo. This has been a, just reminded me. There were a number of typos. Not a typo, there's a. Where are you, John? I'm scrolled down to page nine, where it has yield intersections. Years and years ago, Road Commissioner Don Singleton added without going through the ordinance process. It's not finding fault, just what happened. A yield sign at the intersection of Singleton Road and Fowler Road. So if someone were to run that and not slow and not be safe, there'd be no ticketing authority. It would be nothing anyone could do, because it's not a legally. Well, that's why I've been trying to get us to focus on it, just for those exact reasons, John. But that being said, I'm not sure that's the right place for the yield sign. I think the yield sign really should be on Fowler Road, because it's straight away is Singleton Road. And it's awkward. I'm not, but that was done maybe to Road Commissioner has a different opinion about that. So that's a reason for a discussion. Well, and that's things like that that I've been trying to, right. So that's a really good, it's a good point. But I'm gonna just say, now you mentioned that, I think, oh, isn't there one on Bliss Pond Road and Fowler at the other end? But in any case, isn't that what we need Toby to do? Well, and that's the key. Yeah, because I don't wanna drive around town with my keys. There's one there. Right? That's missing here too. Don't you think? So that needs, really need a special, we need to ask Toby specifically to review the yield. It occurred to us, right. I think there's a lot of that. Can you put that on my to-do list just tell me an email about double checking on the location of all the stop signs and yield signs. Right. And actually the stop sign at the top of Lightning Ridge is gone. I forgot to tell them that. What? They just put one up there. The stop sign? Yeah. The name, the street sign is there. The stop sign is gone. I swear, they put one, nevermind. Yeah, but they did. I remember last year it got knocked over. Yeah, yeah, and they put it up again, but now there's no stop sign. There's definitely, somebody does not like that that road was narrowed to intersection. And ever since then they've been doing damage there, like to prove something, it's starting to really bug me. Well, and what about our game camera idea? It's gotten to the point. Well, I thought we talked about a game camera. We could report it to the Vermont State Police. I don't know, I guess I'd want to double check and make sure we have, you know, putting up a game camera and having it record everybody and everything that goes by there or whatever. I discussed the possibility of somebody putting it on private property. Yes, we did. I'm not saying that we should do it. I'm just wondering why some private property owner or somebody does not do it. Some private property owner could do it. If only Rose owned property there. Right. There's too much germ for them. All right. All right, so I agree. So that's the way I keep putting this on here, but it sounds like we need to get Toby to review. Stop sign locations, yield signs. Right, and give him a deadline. Right. Because I'd like to get this. Let's give him a month. Well, I mean, I think we're going to get those. Make sure that the posted speed limit signs are there. Well, right, all of it. All of that. Do you think a month's not enough time? No, I think it's not enough. I think it's more than enough, but. So for August 28th. Yeah. So Katie will put that on my to-do list and I will ask Toby to kindly do that work. Make those revisions using straight changes so we can see them. Good catch, John. Cause I thought we were just, and really we are just talking about, these are all just housekeeping. Yeah. But the fact that there's stuff missing. And then we also needed a yield sign at the. That one's there. Yeah. Where's, oh, Cantill Road entering SA. Well, this is, I think this is before you're on the select board chair and we had an incident. With what? Police officer pulled something. It's a, it's between your road, Tucker and the elementary school road there. Gray, gray, gray, gray. Sheriff pulled somebody over running a stop sign or stop speeding them and it wasn't properly. Speed limit signs have to be used. Well, no, no, it wasn't, it didn't go through the ordinance process. So he couldn't write the ticket. He knew what. But we also had one record of it. So he said you need, and we fixed that. Right, but we had one in Mabel Corner too, where the stop sign wasn't the right height. It wasn't the right height. Or was it obstructed by branches? No, it wasn't high enough. The pole wasn't high enough. It wasn't high enough. So we need to make sure all those little. That's why you went through every corner at 58 miles an hour. But he got out of the ticket because it wasn't the right height. Okay. So it's those kinds of things. That I'm glad we're having this discussion. Can we tell Toby we're not talking about housekeeping like, you know, typos that we want to do. We want a real substance. We'll take inventory of street limits and make sure everything's clear. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Thank you. Get this moving. Okay. All right. Let's do my quick update. So don't forget July 22nd. Poplar Cemetery closing. We're gonna have a space at the East Montclair town office to meet at 6.30. And we may have a couple of other housekeeping things. It sounds like Sandra might have something for us. And then we're meeting jointly with the East Montclair select board regarding the East Montclair fire department again. That'd be fun. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I've been in contact with the sheriff. We had something come up and they were actually out of town for tonight. So. Are they working this year? I just saw them pull, has somebody pulled over on Maple Corner just the other day. Good. That's exactly where they should be. Awesome. So they're either gonna come on the August 12th of the 26th. They're gonna let me know which one works. You remember last time we had the Beaver Dam on Ken Hill Road. I double checked with Toby. He hasn't gotten in contact with Tyler Brown yet. That was in the minutes for him to do that. And I did double check with him. Can you give me an update on that one time trial, please? No. No, I can't. Office phone system that is being worked on. You worked at these? Yep. I looked at everything I wanted to. Yep. Rowdy from some communication company looked at the phone system, consolidated, has to come and do some work. The original installation of the phone system was kind of not done quite right. So there's a bunch of work that has to be done. The phone lines are all mixed up as the issue. And the fact that one of the lines doubles as the DSL connection and voice line is causing problems. I came in and did some testing. I looked at what has been done by consolidated. They put in a new junction box over here and cleaned up a lot of that in tandem with untangling the bird's nest that's up in the attic. Oh, shit. There's a bird's nest of wires. Junction box. Oh, I thought you meant like for the real one. And mice chewing on the wires and okay. A junction box that is a tangled nest. A tangled web we weave. Yeah, we may need to splice out the DSL because I think that is impacting the ability of the calls to roll over when somebody's on the main line. The way the system is supposed to handle it when you set it up properly is somebody calls in right now. If somebody's on the main line and somebody calls in, they get a busy signal. What's supposed to happen is it should roll over to the second line and allow them to leave a message. Did you ever find out, because remember this rowdy person said that that wasn't the right phone system. I wanna talk to him about that because I wanna understand what I've heard his second hand. So I wanna talk to him directly to understand specifically what his concern is because that phone system that we got does have the ability to roll over calls. And you can forward calls to other phone numbers, not just on the internal system. Shouldn't be that hard folks. No, and we purchased this new system. The other possibilities he could be looking at thinking about what we need is a PBX solution in this phone system is compatible with CO or PBX setup. Is rowdy a guy? Yeah, that's his real name. Are we still in contract for setup or some, you know, like all this implementation stuff should have been part of contractions? Yeah, I don't know what arrangements were made with him when I was kind of on a commission and that's what initiated the contact with rowdy and whatnot, so I don't know. No, but the original, did he implement, did he know? And this phone system was bent here, the wiring and all that stuff for years. Well, since it was built. The wiring of the building is the issue. Oh, that's the issue. Not the phone system. He's got it, he's got it, he's got it. That's all the wiring mixed up. Got it. Thanks for that. You saw an email that Judy and staff sent around about their wish list and why for the office. I don't know, we'll have to find out and see how much money is in that office reserve fund. I would really hate to see all of the natural light be cut off, so I think we need to be careful when we're redesigning. I get it that they need some private space. Sandra, who is doing our HR stuff, doesn't have any place to meet with people to talk about, you know, they wanna talk about their W-2s or any of that stuff or. Not all of that one now today. Yeah, so I think it's imperative that we do something to make space better now that all of the elections and stuff are over. I'd like to focus on it and what we can do is, when Cliff and I have a staff meeting, we can go over everything with them and then invite the office staff to come to a select board meeting to discuss it and find out how much money it is and how much it's gonna cost. John McCullough is going to try to help but he's pretty much bogged down with town hall and even more so since one of the folks that was the head of project for renovations is out of commission for a while. So that's kind of an update on that. The office roof, I've been in contact with Andy and he had gotten a couple of bits but he hadn't gotten three and then there is now a concern that people don't want to bid on this job of fixing this section of the roof because they're concerned that when they get in there, it's gonna be more difficult to fix than what we originally thought. So I have to circle back around with Andy. I spent some time with Andy there that we could go an hour looking at that. And what did you find? My suggestion is that he should just, when he has time, rip it open and see what it is. I mean, the roof's gonna have to be fixed there anyway. So he should unveil what it is. You can do a temporary patch that will keep the water from coming in and then we'll know what we got and then the folks who we bid would then have a better feel for what they would be required. Roofers generally aren't really qualified or don't do a good job at carpentry, complicated carpentry. So if you get into a situation where these guys come in ready to do a roofing job and they go allocated a couple of days to what should be a two-day roofing job and they open it up and it's a bees nest of work, they just patch it and make it work and then you wind up with this. Did you see any rod? There's rod on the eave. So there's water we can get underneath and put where exactly and how much and did they put weather shielding all the way up? There's a lot of questions. So what do you do? So what should Andy do? Should he be asking people to come in and look at that before they? No, I think what, no, no, we need to open it up and see, diagnose, we can have him. We need Andy, okay, I just want to be clear. Open it, you know, and we pay him for that and then we get a, we can better assess what the circumstances are beneath the metal roofing. That sounds like a plan. Because they're gonna have to open it anyway. So we know that's gonna have to be pulled out, let him do that, then we know what we got and then we can be in a better place to figure out what, how to bit it out. And it may be that we need to first get carpenters in there. And carpenters know how to, what they call, this term that Ernie Parrish used all the time. But dry, dry frame or dry it, dry it out, whatever it is, a term they use when they get a roof sealed up and ready for roofers. I'm glad you had that conversation with him. Good, good. All right, so we'll ask Andy to maybe work on that. I think he's, I think he was helping over at the town hall some too. He was. Yeah. Yeah, he's the man. Yeah. Okay, BOA meeting on August 12th before the regular select board meeting. There's one, it's a, one is a Lister Error and then we have a bunch of these 87 cents, a dollar, 23, you know, those small, I thought we had a policy that $110 can be waived. I thought we did that. Well, we tried. We tried, but by statute you couldn't do that. Oh, really? Yeah, so we found out when we tried to do it. NFW. So, yeah, so I think we, I think we agreed like, because we did it last year, we had to be evaded on my own list of, right, so the Santa just needs to put together a list and we do it as a block, we don't have to discuss it. Good. Right. Does everybody understand? We don't have to discuss it. No, because the BOA is consists of, it's like the word, Listers. Yeah, it's not just us. Justices of peace. So, and I'm looking to see if you would like to do, and maybe we won't be able to decide that until we go into a second session and then come out. But in the meantime, we have, there's a couple of things that need to be signed. You're doing warrants right now. We approved the town meeting minutes of March 5th. It was March 5th, not 6th, huh? March 5th, March 2019. We approved them, but we never signed them. And then we had the wrong ones to sign. Right. March 5th was telling me to sign. Okay, and then the last meeting we had the wrong, we had the wrong date on them so we couldn't sign it. So we've already approved them. I don't know that we need to really do anything else now except for sign them and make a note in the minutes from now. So I'll send these around for signature thing is, I went to send out this approved amended for Chris and Neff on Max Gray Road and we voted on it at motions all nine yards, but we didn't sign it. So I don't think we need to go through the whole thing again, we just need to sign it. Could you and Cliff give us a very brief, I know the times of the essence, we still need to look at the RFPs responses, but a brief update on Town Hall, renovation, progress. Well, with the lead carpenter out of commission, John McCullough has picked up a lot of the balls that are in the air. So he's really stretched pretty thin. We had our first Town Hall committee meeting over there last week. The green building, the green builders are on vacation for a couple of weeks. The elevator person has been kind of jockeying back and forth about, he doesn't have time to install the elevator, it's gonna be three months out. I could come tomorrow, but then John says, well, you can't come tomorrow because such and such isn't ready. So it looks like he's supposed to come tomorrow, this elevator guy. Bob Lee or is it only there? Maybe that's the window guy, I can't remember, but he's supposed to come. He's the older guy, so I don't bother. So the elevator person is supposed to come tomorrow. Hopefully Ernie's crew, I can't remember to take any one or two weeks off here. Two weeks. Two weeks, so they're out like this weekend next week. Green line? They're on vacation. It looks, you should go over, I don't know if you've looked inside yet, but it's a sheet rock. They're sheet rocked up. There's doors sitting there waiting to be installed, and you can see the way out downstairs, where the kitchen area's gonna be, where the bathrooms are gonna be, the mechanical room, storage area. So if you get a chance when the doors are open, go over there and take a look, it looks really sharp. They've been working really, really hard. Yep. So anyways, here's, is that? The other thing you can add to that is that Donna and John did meet with the account for Green Line. Oh yeah, John gives money. Right, and just talking about planning, there is some of the work that they have subcontractors they can call in to help keep things moving forward, and there are also other individuals within the town who have stepped up. Yeah, Jim O'Rear, no, Clark Builders. Jim Clark? Yeah, they've stepped up to help out. Wow. Yeah. And they're volunteering in a company. Right, yep, so it's very nice. So before that meeting, Donna and John had been expressed that they were very concerned about being able to keep things on track. They've told us at the committee meeting that they felt a lot better about things after the meeting. After that meeting. Right. And also after the discussion with Clark. So yeah, so the thing with our, you know, because that John McCullough is stretched to the limit with the amount of time that he's devoted to this project. And what about, Denise, we mentioned it earlier in the context of the CV, PRC thing. CV, anyway, regional planning commission. The Rhodes Committee. We haven't talked about that in a while. Are you making outreach? I have, I spoke with Stephanie Kaplan, I sent her an email. Do you know whether Stephanie's contacted your husband, Brian? She hasn't. She hasn't, okay, I'll have to get back on her again. I was giving her some time after she got back from France and dealing with her husband. But if you make a note on my to-do list, I will reach back out, because I also mentioned a couple of other names that we talked about. Right. As possible opportunities to serve on the committee. And does Stephanie get an outreach to them or you just haven't heard back from them? Because I haven't. I haven't heard back from Stephanie. Okay. So I'd like to hear back from her first before I... Because we're asking her to chair it or something? She has been the chair. Oh, okay. Yeah. That's right, thank you very much. And I don't know if Rick Keen is still available to serve, I asked her, I told her about Brian and his background, which sounded great. So, I mean, I'll close the loop with her, because I got a caller about a couple of the things too, so. I know I've mentioned this before, and I understand that, you know, not everybody can serve him, but J.C. Myers talked to me in the grocery store a while ago, and he was at that point very interested in the roads. And he was on at one point. He was on at one point, okay. Because I have a couple of other names from our meetings this winter. I mean, to me, anybody who has, anybody who took the time to even show up at a meeting and be engaged, especially the woman who reached out to me, had, you know, privately, like I know you have her on the list. There's plenty of really interested engaged people. Yeah, that's what we need. Well, I hope that they're ready too. Yeah. I have a question. If you were gonna reach out to the people who were on the committee before it dissolved and give them a chance to serve. It didn't officially dissolve. Are you saying Greg might be willing to serve again? No, no, not Greg. I was like the slipboard liaison. It was Rick Keen, Barbara Whedon, Gary Schultz. Come on, Rad was on, and then thank you, Jim. Well, yeah, I mean, he, that's why. I think that Pierre is not in a position probably now to do that, but. Well, mostly I think Barbara Whedon and Rick Keen should at least be notified about it, because literally, I mean, it just does not, because Stephanie, no, no, Stephanie just, it just, it just fizzled. Okay. It just fizzled. Well, they got the standards done. Right. They were, that was kind of the, that was the big thing. That's what they were moving toward. That was really the assignment. Right. Right. Yeah, no, it, we had Conrad Draftin on it. We had met long after that. Let's get down to that. Yeah, I'll, I'll reach out to her again. No, I just think that, I think it's great. I just assume that they were still on. No, they, they haven't met in about four years. Yeah, since 2015. Right, I, yeah, I think it's, we're in a bit of a hybrid place, we do, we want, we want to bring that work forward. Right. Right. And build on it, so it's starting over. Well, no, we don't want to start over. Right. So we need enough people who are on round one. And we, and I think actually I'm going to take a step further and I think that part of the charge from the select board is continuity. You know, not starting over, but honoring and building on that work. Right. And that goes to the new, Toby sends out that email. I don't know if it's in the, the revised road and bridge standards. The revised road and bridge standards. And the state wants us to adopt the revised road and bridge standards that the state has, but previously we, we adopted our own road and bridge standards which were approved by V-trans. And I did reach out to Toby and asked him, you know, what was up with this? And he has reached out to V-trans. I just heard back. To say, you know, these are our standards. Do they meet your standards basically? So that's kind of where we're at. With that. I just want, and I, and I sent, and I did send those revised standards from the state to Stephanie. I just think it would be good to have the former members at least know that the committee is getting rejuvenated. Oh yeah, absolutely. And I certainly think it's a great idea to have new, new blood for sure. I was hoping that Stephanie would send out and reach out, but if she hasn't, then I will. And are you, when you say that the state endorsed our road standards, is that, that's the document that that group came up with? We're talking about the same document. Okay, well that has a great deal of imperative that we don't want it. So it's really important. Yeah. Because we want them to look at our standards now and see if they are still meet or exceed. I think our standards exceeded the state standards. So there was no problem with it. Because we have a sign off page from them from back in 2015 or whatever it was. Yeah. Okay, so minutes of last meeting. You're saying special select board meeting 715 that I missed something? Yeah, we haven't got there yet. Okay. Okay, I like the way. 624, right? Yep. And I think Rose and Sharon make comments. Rose put in a couple context. Oh, yeah, I added that that's, it's just setting up a context for the vote. Yeah. Otherwise it's kind of slapping around in the breeze. Yeah, and then Rose had the question of what, when we appointed Art Edelstein, what position he was filling. Yeah, the unexplored term of such and such ending in the year. Oh, I made a, right there, about the guardrails. I just kind of finished, added a little bit to the sentence to make it clear what we're talking about. Those are those weather guardrails. I didn't make any comments at 6.52 AM. You could bet on that. Yeah, me neither. I was 6.52 AM in California when you made your comments. Okay, well, that's all right. That's where the dots are. 6.52, I was looking at the back of my eyelids. All right, was there more? Anything else? Do we need to look at what was said regarding the truck lease and make any changes there? I don't think so, I think the... Well, maybe we should. If what I could not have told you... What that meant? Well, I would take it, it's clear to me on its face. And Kobe said that's... Not what we said. Well, he said that's how you interpret it. Well, it's not a question of how we interpret it. That is what it says. So if that's wrong, then we should adjust it. What should it say, Cliff? Well, basically the value is 100. The amount does not exceed 116, including... Taking 18,000 trade-in. Taking into a... Can we let Cliff finish his sentence? Yeah, just that. It's, you know, that the buy price of 116 is after the 18K trade-in. So really it's 116,000 minus 18,000. So really the amount, the amount not to exceed is the 98. Right. And actually when you work all the way through it, we actually don't care about 116 or 18. We only care about 98, however they get there. Right, right. So it really should say not to exceed, or we should say 116,000 less trade-in equals 98 or whatever. Somewhere that all three ends up being ins and ins at 98. But even that, I mean, we had, there were specific, I think it's important to clarify this, but I think it's also important just to make reference to the specifications represented. Why don't we, then why don't we not want to submit that? Why don't we say we need to work on that and approve it next time? It sounds good. Because we're just gonna sit here and spend 10 minutes tinkering. Yeah, that's a good idea. All right, sounds good. We're gonna review the motion of something that will tinker. Something be, you can take John into that. Thank you. And I don't know whether you all saw, I sent Toby a note a while ago, requesting that the communication, well, anyways. Well, in that, so we're gonna wait on those minutes. We don't know much about it. Right, right, right. Ms. John's gonna tinker on, make sure we get the wording right. Yeah, and one other clarification that I had in there was about the sand pile. Yeah, then he was talking to you. Because yeah, Toby had just written that the sand pile was all good for next year and I thought it would be better if we wrote a little, gave a little bit more detail. Did we discuss the detail then? And at night at that meeting, because if we didn't, then we should discuss it at a future meeting about the sand pile. But if it wasn't really discussed at that night's meeting, we can't really add to it then. We can discuss it again and put it in a new set of minutes. Do you remember? I think he said they put up the usual amount. I don't think they gave the numbers. He did, he did. We asked, I thought we, yeah, I thought we asked. We did ask that, yes, we asked. He said they did the usual because that's all they have room for and getting more is contingent on getting use of space somewhere else. We had all of that conversation that we could add into the minutes. We're gonna add that in, but we don't know how many. We don't have the specifics, which Rose was asking about, which was how many loaves. Right, we have the usual amount. Yeah, what was the cubic yards because I thought that it was important to address the public comments because back in the middle of the winter in January, they said they're not gonna sand on certain areas because we're running low on sand. So I wanted to be cognizant of the taxpayers saying, okay, the sand is put up for the year and so this is how much yards we got compared to last year when we only got this much. But I think he said he got the same thing. Yeah, he said he got the same thing because there's an issue with space storage. They go up this hill and then they don't up the embankment down and they're right up tight. And then they push. They have to be able to sneak by the side of the garage and then keep going and then there's a road that ends this way, but then there's a little path that goes up this hill because that's cut into a hillside there. Could it ever have an avalanche? I don't know, I don't think so. They've been doing it forever. So I think, to answer your, I don't think, we can put in some more detail, but I want to mislead the public. I think it's the same. He basically says it's the same as it was last year. I think we should put that in because we asked. Right, we asked. But that is something people actually care about. So I, yeah, I'm just, yeah. So maybe you can have us say it. My comment was that it needs to change. Okay, okay, as in past years, it's available for sand storage is at maximum. That sounds good. Does that work for you, Rose? Yeah, can I, how do you guys feel about the town purchased the same quality as in past years? Because, yeah, no works. Really, really, because we want people to have a chance to say what? Yeah, like, oh, we ran out last year. How come you didn't buy more? Right, and we can always, when the issue comes up this coming winter, we can always refer back to these minutes because I don't know how many people actually, you know, read our minutes after our meeting. Well, even for us to remember, we had the conversation. Good point. No, exactly. That's why I said we can refer back to them. Thank you. All right, so we're not going to approve them, but we've made that adjustment. We'll do them next time. So I would like to suggest that we go into this executive session to discuss personnel issues and the legal, are you gonna talk about next week, 75? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's gonna depend on what we discuss in executive session about personnel tonight. Okay. As to whether or not. So personnel is... Personnel and contract. Negotiate contract, yeah. So move. Second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye.