 Hello everyone and welcome back to for the minions the weekly show where we talk about some of the games that we hope will be The spiritual successors to Paragon. I am your host the one and only man goose joining me as always is my beautiful co-host Mandy Mal. Mandy, how you doing? I'm doing so good I'm so happy because we are bringing back one of our guests from the past one of our guest hosts from the past who was Fantastic who is such a good friend of the show and a good friend of us personally So we have face full of dub. How are you sir? Thank you for joining us again. I'm good Literally doing nothing other than babysitting or streaming. That's it It's teaching us how to play Dauntless Yeah, they're trying to If I'm not telling you to shut up in the middle of Yeah, you know what happens happens. It's okay. We leave it on the field and it's fine Yeah, we get through everyone keeps their head on a swivel and we're good. That's right That's right. You know, I don't say this a lot, but great job out there guys That's right. Appreciate it. I appreciate it So In our bash is of course faceful's favorite here a faceful filled in whenever For the minions, we used to have three hosts The same hosts every week and then uh, we that uh, that went away and faceful You know came to our rescue and filled in as our third host for a couple episodes And we're really happy to have him back But we're gonna move on now into the news and updates Starting off with made a buff and core I talked to those guys that said they're optimizing the code and solidifying systems for character on boy on boiting on bordering I can't say on boarding An item on the boarding as well as data tables So I don't know what a lot of that means. I know what the data tables means, but It means that they're working on the game and I'm happy with that And I'm just happy to hear something out of them. I had a little conversation with them I was like, hey man, I was like, hey people are losing faith in core right now Not because the alpha was delayed, but because you guys have been so silent ever since the alpha was delayed So a lot of people losing faith and core out there, but don't lose faith yet. They're still working. They're still working hard on it And um, whatever solidifying systems for character on boarding means It means that we're going to get the game sometime. So Yes, I think this is a case where no news is good news because it means they're busy, you know, like They're they're working hard. So yeah, that's kind of the way I was looking at it But I totally understand people being a little bit more like chomping at the bit. They want to know They're excited man, you know, the hype is real for this game. So Yep And I ordered that made above hat and I don't want that to go to waste Yeah, right And then um Let's move on for made above two. I made a studio smoke. He's been working on Muriel He got gadget completely done and uh, he's been doing a lot of things like adjusting camera angles whenever you cast abilities Um, that's kind of a small thing that you don't notice until it's not there Was like um like murdoch whenever you're throwing the mine down Whenever you actually queued up to throw that mine your camera would kind of pan out a little bit So you could see the area around you better so you could get better placement of that mine And they're working on stuff like that for murdoch gadget Various other heroes and then he said he will soon be adding camera shake Which uh baseball you were talking about this earlier that adds a lot of immersiveness to the game Yeah, like with murdoch snipe if you when you drop down one knee and he actually snipes The like a little bit of camera shake that can it can make it feel like the gun's actually recoiling Or like even with his mine like just placing it down Just like a little bit like to simplify like signify that the mine actually has weight when it's hitting the ground You know i'm saying Yeah, that was something that paragon did really well was just those little touches that made the game so immersive So it's really cool to hear that Um predecessor is is adding them as well and that they you know paid attention to that kind of stuff And they're definitely going to need that camera shake when they put big dick rick in the game because that was the most camera shake I think ever is when you got hit by a hook. Hmm. Like yeah, you had no It was very disorienting when you got hit by a by a rickter hook. Yes Need that camera shake for that And then we got ethereal, um Not a lot of news from them. They said they're going to be focusing on their own socials for the time being They're trying to get their new website up and running the website that they have right now is kind of old It's a perfectly good website. They're trying to work on the new one and um Kind of I've been i've been cruising their discord a lot One of the things oan mentioned is that once the website is open We'll get to see a tropos which a tropos is their version of the orb prime and with The detail they've put into their heroes. I can't wait to see what A tropos is if it's like a big dragon or it's hard to tell with those guys You never really know with ethereal what they're going to be pulling out of their asses And i'm pretty excited to see what a tropos is going to be Any ideas what do you guys want him to be? I have no idea but Since I've been since the last time I was on though like artwork and character models they've dropped They're like gorgeous so I don't know I feel like It might be some sort of dragon I feel like if they did some sort of into did you guys ever play skyrim? Yeah You know like you could fight like the bone dragons. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah if they did some something like that. That'd be cool That would actually be really cool. Yeah Yeah, I'm definitely picturing some type of Beastial like Just massive really cool creature. I don't but you just never know because there's such a variety of You know even amongst their their heroes their characters There's you know, you got like nicolai and and cool little things like that So you never know what those guys are gonna pull well if you if you look up greek mythology a tropos was actually He was half man half goose And he would rise out of a lake and punch people so That's not true No, it's not and I was I was googling. Are you looking up a tropos? I was Um, he it is from greek mythology though. Yeah It is the goddess of fate and destiny You bastard That's really cool though that tie-in of the goddess of fate and destiny because it's like You know, yeah, maybe it'll will be based on the greek a tropos. I just I was just Be in me, but yeah, I mean if it looks over there Oh my gosh, you're a mess. That's great. So uh, and phoenix rising. We got nothing from them yet. I keep expecting like Like a lot of people say they're dead They've got a lot going on like every time I talk to those guys They've got a lot of shit going on and I keep expecting them that it was like everybody's like Oh core and predecessor and ethereal and then all of a sudden Visionaries going to be like check this out. Let's be something that blows us all away. I hope it is I really hope it is because they've been working on that for quite a while quite a while I do as well. I still think I think that was the first one I heard about Like that was the first one that surfaced, right? Yeah That was the first one I heard about Even if it wasn't even if they're not using paragon like assets Still the third party like not party third person. Vova They're like he has like you can look up and all that crap. That's what we need like it doesn't matter What skin it has pretty much Yeah, it's in that spirit of I think ethereal started first because they weren't even intending to replace paragon like they started before paragon um, even announced their closure, but Like before I think they announced the closure of phoenix rising already. It was like, all right. We need to move on this We need to make paragon again and they started trying to make their own version of paragon and then um It was kind of a controversial decision when they decided not to use the assets when epic released them But uh, they were trying to stay true to their vision to stay true to cores and hopefully it uh, hopefully it works out for them Hmm. I hope it does. Yeah, I think people there is definitely um, I've heard enough people in the community saying You know like they loved paragon and they're excited for a paragon remake, but they also want to see something new So I think that's really where ethereal and phoenix rising are gonna shine With those people who are like, let's check this out. Like yes, we had our beloved heroes from paragon But let's see if we can't find another hero that we're really gonna love with these other These other games. So I'm definitely excited I'm always excited for these Heck, yeah, just remember guys. I have their um socials Especially their discord is linked in the video description below if you want to check out more of any Of these games. I know a lot of people are just now hearing about this. I'm kind of surprised by that But yeah, I get people every day that are just just now finding out about what's going on. So that's uh That's pretty cool Let's hope we can rally more people to the cause and make these games as successful as possible So that we all have something to play But let's move on right now to the poll results for this week. Um I wanted to do the role like jungler support Uh adc, but uh youtube didn't give me enough options. So I'm gonna have to figure out something something else there I'm limited to five So I did lane instead and then we got so I did safe lane mid lane jungle and solo lane solo off lane Whatever you want to call it and uh about 30 minutes after I posted it I realized that safe lane includes two roles support and adc So I figured they're for sure safe lane would win. No safe lane came in absolute last safe lane had 20% Mid lane had 25 solo had 27 and jungle had 28. So it was it was a pretty even distribution I mean, I think you can kind of count safe cut safe lane in half, but uh Yeah jungle won out in the end just edging out solo lane. So pretty cool stuff. Uh I'm glad to see a lot of junglers out there because I don't jungles fine But I don't like to play jungle. I'd prefer to support or solo lane myself So if somebody else was to take that jungle role take on that huge responsibility. I'm fine with that go for it, man Yeah, I can never get the timing to gank correctly in the jungle And so then I just get a bunch of my friends going dude. What are you doing? I'm like, I don't know I was supposed to get farm wasn't I? So just out of curiosity, what did you guys vote for well goose? I don't know if you can even vote You're on I cannot no. Oh, okay. Well, what was your favorite lane? Yeah I don't know. I think I like supporting most of all so I guess it would be safe lane You love the solo lane. I like but mainly when it was 1v2 I know a lot of people are gonna be all pit some people will be like hell. Yeah Some people be like, oh fuck you but yeah, I loved it when it was 1v2 So so first choice solo lane, but only if it's the 1v2 Um me personally I enjoyed being the ADC when I first started because I was thinking of it as like a gun game because never played MOBA And then as I got into it, I fell into the support role and then near the end of its life I fell in love with solo lane That was that was my stuff. Yeah Very cool Mindy yours everybody knows everybody knows I was carrying support So I messed around a little bit in mid lane because I liked um howitzer and morguech So I would I would if I had to I could I could play mid lane a little bit Right on so uh, usually at this point in the show we go with tech time But I wasn't able to prepare tech time this week But this is also the portion where we usually take a break and I check the recording So I got to do something so here's uh, here's shimby dancing for about 30 seconds. We'll be right back Welcome back everybody. It is time for the topic for discussion now in my youtube comments on a lot of videos I've been lately I've seen a lot of people like are these games ever going to come out? You know what's taking so long, um You know, there's been no progress I wanted to talk about the progress that has been made because there has been a lot of progress made from From from all these companies really so I wanted to discuss how far they've come from zero to where they are now um I think probably the most appropriate one to discuss First would be predecessor because they actually have released A playable game. Um, you know, it had a lot of bugs and there was a lot of problems with it But it was a playable version of of of paragon and it was fun Like I had fun playing it and uh, it felt like it felt like playing paragon again. Um, so You know a lot of people are saying that nobody's released gameplay predecessor Release the playable game that a bunch of people got to play including us all three of us got to play predecessor and uh, yeah Yeah, it was absolutely great. So there has been a lot of progress made. Um, what do you got? You guys have any any thoughts on the topic? I mean you can go first. Okay, I definitely do. Um Well, I kind of left a comment on your What was it a video or a poll or something? Uh, I think that was a video It was the video where you know, everybody like you said in the comments was like, oh, they're You know, they're never gonna release this game or Let's see some gameplay this that the other thing and I I think what people need to understand is most the time when a game is being developed You don't hear anything about it until The company is like almost done with it If not already done with it or has a playable version that they can release to show people You know when these big like triple a games or any game any in indie game anything um, but the the re the way that We've kind of been led on the inside this early is like such a privilege And I don't think people are looking at it that way And I think it's important to remember that games take years That's just the way it is games takes years to develop. It's not a quick one-two thing Especially, you know, everybody thinks oh, they have the assets all they got to do is plug it in and play No, they have proven that we've proven that with tech time. That is not the case So definitely just just hang in there. Just try to remember that, you know It takes time it takes time a rushed game will always be bad But a game that takes their time and they come out with the best version they can is, you know And then they can still improve upon it from there But we don't want to rush them and just to have something to play Or just to see some gameplay or whatever like yes, that's nice. I get heck yeah I get excited. I would love to see something some gameplay from ethereal But I understand the position they're in and that it's hard hard work They're not really even being paid to do this. This is all a passion project all four of these are passion projects so Just kind of hang in there Chill out keep watching for the minions and you'll get all your all your update And everything will be great everything will have a good time when we're all playing predecessor or core or phoenix rising or ethereal together That's an excellent point because that this is a very very unique situation that we're in right now This is not something that you see every day certainly Like a game basically getting resurrected I mean ethereal just kind of got kind of got drug along for the ride because they happen to be making a third person At the same time that all this was going on, but even ethereal kind of is pressured By the community because of the transparency from the other companies I think ethereal probably never would have been as transparent um I think they would have operated exactly like any other gaming company had it not been for the paragon community seeing what was going on with phoenix rising first which we saw all that progress there and then after that predecessor and core started, you know Really letting us in letting us know what was going on with the development of their game And then predecessor of course streaming the development of the game Just not not only the development of the game, but you know level design sound design Everything they're streaming everything. So It's a very unique situation that we're in right now And as mandy said we need to be grateful for that instead of um kind of complaining about what we don't have Face, what would you have to say man? um I don't know if I could follow after mandy preach him like that. Oh, I know That was amazing And I don't mean it in a like She'll be kind of way. I just want people to kind of understand the position Yeah, you you want to you want to like lift the curtain a little bit Yeah, um, but even like some was in the internal testing with predecessor Even though smoky had finished an update that they wanted to push It still took like three or four hours just for it to be ready to be pushed to steam And then it's everyone's last to download it. We have to make sure everyone is doing it correctly It's it all takes time. Yeah, like and we've we've seen it since like smoky started all of them. I'm pretty sure All of them you've seen since the beginning You know what they're doing. You know, they're trying their best We just you just have to wait And not take everything at full speed. Yeah, absolutely I think um an unexpected roadblock That kind of happened sort of late in the game was this whole blue jelly Aventel project of gora bullshit, which was such an obvious scam somebody Acting like they were developing a paragon remake Just so they could get money out of people and they people see something like that and then they look at core and they're like Well, they haven't shown us gameplay. They're maybe they're a scam too, you know And you know, that's so detrimental and that's I hate that so much because those guys at core Um have been putting in so much hard work on the game and we have seen You know the fruits of their labor in some aspects. I mean, we haven't seen gameplay yet, but What they've showed us it's obvious that they know what they're doing and they have a vision and they have a goal And that they're producing a game On the flip side of that with the project of gora thing, it was obvious that that kid had no fucking clue what he was doing and He you know, he didn't he didn't operate like a company core operates like a company, you know it just I hate that that happened, especially at a time like this where it was kind of like um I kind of felt felt like that was just a huge kick to both predecessor and core While they're already kind of down a little bit like You know predecessors alpha launch didn't go quite as well as people wanted core had to push their Their alpha back and then here comes this ass clown Acting like he's making a game and kind of fucking it up for for these other companies that are doing this shit for free. So That kind of sucks The times I think he saw the community um kind of Saying vocally like how can we support you? How can we support this project and and took advantage of that and that's not um, that's not cool at all and then I really didn't follow that too closely because I was like this is such Bullshit that I didn't uh Follow it. I didn't make videos about it. I you know nothing um, but uh Lewis my husband kept me a little bit updated on it because he would watch the videos on it And from what he said the guy said, oh, this community is so toxic I'm I'm out and quitting and it was like, how dare you how dare you blame the community that you were trying to scam like You've got some gnar. Yeah, by the way They they tried to set up again after my video kind of crushed them and uh That website when they set it up nothing worked on the website except the donation button the day you can donate That's not convenient But even that even that got crushed too, uh, briddick, of course Brought the hammer down on that shit pretty hard and um Yeah, so whoever gave them money Sorry, because they closed everything down They're gone. So he got what money he could out of the community and took off Which I don't know how this discussion on how far the games have come turned into Yeah, I was talking about project agora, but I don't know either that's that's that we're done with that. I think I somehow Brought it around my bad but uh Another thing I want to talk about uh, ethereal ethereal originally their their alpha was originally planned for November of 2018 that they were saying very tentatively that they may have The alpha out by then however, you know the community got involved People didn't like they had a very the kawaii look to their anime Sort of styled heroes and people didn't like that at all And then if you looked at their map that they had developed at the time Yes, it had the you know the layered Lanes for the map however each lane was very flat like smite. It was like a smite lane just Very flat So they didn't they didn't do their alpha in november. They decided you know what the community doesn't like all this stuff Let's change it. So they completely redid all their character models. They completely redid their map And so stuff like that takes time. So I mean we say like oh Why haven't we seen gameplay? We were about to see gameplay and then we bitched about it And then you know the ended they fixed it and that took that took a lot of time so Yeah, and it would have taken even more time if they would have released the alpha and people bitched about it then and then They had to go and change things anyways, you know, like it would have just been more more time. So I like their old character models. I don't care what anybody says Their new ones are really good too, though Yeah, they're court, but man that game is very gorgeous. Did the new ones or something else? Big time flex But um now phoenix rising they I mean they've been They released so much at the very beginning They went so far with that game and then you know, it kind of folded in under itself The company sort of split apart. There's a lot of that's another thing I always talk about how I don't think our predecessor and core should merge And part of that reason is what happened with visionary. They had two Sort of competing factions within their company with two very different goals and then The company split up and that game probably would have been done by now if they would have kept going The way they were but since that happened, you know, they They had to kind of hunker down look their wounds and and refocus on something different. So and hopefully we'll see Something different from them really soon. But yeah, that's why we haven't seen much progress from From visionary games on project phoenix rising All right guys, I said something really fucked up and uh, it kind of threw us all off and we laughed for about Five or ten minutes and um, we've kind of forgot where we were. So that's going to be the end of the topic for discussion I will say it was extremely dirty. I'll put it at the end of the show, but uh Be warned be warned So that's gonna put the kids to bed before you watch that Yeah, definitely. So let's move along to plugs Mandy you got anything to plug this week Well, um, I'm speaking of plugs God oh god So maybe go ahead Um, do you plug Just been streaming man having a good time streaming over on on the twitch having a good time That's been a good time. You've been you've been hitting it hard Yeah, it's been really fun. Um, I haven't given up on though. I will have videos out I just have to stop streaming long enough to make one right on Facebook you got anything to plug bro Just me streaming On twitch the same name face full of dub I do absolutely nothing but stream right on random ass games It's a good time. Good. Good time speaking of uh, we're going to bring back the after party So if you guys want to hang out with us after the show if you're watching the premiere that is And you want to hang out with us after the show head on over to facebook's twitch And uh, we'll be we'll be there chilling answer any questions that you guys may have and just discussing Anything that you guys want to discuss Um, I got nothing to plug this week But uh, that's so that's going to bring us to the end of the show. Thanks for hanging out with us guys I really appreciate it from the entire uh for the minions team catch you later man Yeah, why would you like your wounds? What's that? Why would you like your wounds? Oh my saliva heals He's like an x-man I am like an x-man quite quite a few regards actually, but Yeah, that's one of it is my saliva. It's my saliva heals. That's why I can't go down on it girl. It'll close up Yo, what the fuck