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that she know what the stench this emanating of all those policemen across the country that she smelt it or not the torture the mayhem let loose on ordinary citizens the beatings she not aware of that and I'm not saying now over it's been happening over years and you know and she is part of that force and she pretends to be above it what kind of land is she living in so you were talking about the constitution I think when we just got interrupted because of the sun in our eyes so do we need to change something in it the constitution exists we want to live up to it or live down to it I don't know because you know is it a valid document because is it valid for India because here is a document which tells the people of India and the world what is this country all about so we're telling ourselves this is what we are want to be and to the world this is what we want to be want to achieve the point is what we want to achieve valid for a country that's primarily patriarchal, feudal and modern in quotes so you have ancient medieval modern also living simultaneously side by side and you've got a constitution which is poetry and what do you do can you achieve it is it something we are going to work towards is it achievable or have we stress ourselves too thin to be able to act on it act on the constitution these are questions we need to ask as itself it's fantastic as a document are we able as a country as a do we have the character as a nation to match it and I think we are solely lacking solely lacking and that's the truth solely lacking right now or were always somewhere all this is not now it's been happening over the past 30 years it's only been accentuated and speeded up now so talking about speeding up how has the Bombay film industry changed I know that they were great actors in the past who actually took out real matches and were engaged with communalism and you know took on issues why doesn't a Amitabh Bachchan or anybody in the Khans do that today what has happened good question incredible amount of fear across this country should we be afraid but should we be afraid if you don't mind going to jail you shouldn't be afraid at all the problem is the fear of incarceration the fear of lack of justice you be traveled away and the keys thrown away there are young people I know who are in jail right now in charge of the situation but it won't be for the first time for India's from 1850s this you know Yaisil Sela Chalrai therefore we haven't changed from 1850s therefore that's why the constitution was set in it would not happen it could never happen again it guaranteed that it could never happen the rights of citizens were guaranteed in the constitution it's all been overthrown so therefore it's tough it's tough to deal with and the thing is Pragya you and I belong to a certain milieu a certain social level that we will survive we will survive because we are part of the ruling elite in a sense 90% of people aren't what happened to them what's going to happen to them and that's what the real issue lies and therefore therefore there's anger there's frustration and there's the need to get ahead in life they've all seen the good life on television hunger to get somewhere and that energy how will it be channelized how will it be used and that's my fear of course it's to politics and therefore what you will be used will be anger against people you single out you need the other now because nothing else is happening on the economic front you need the other you need to point out the other because of them it's classic fascism point out the Jew point out the communist point out the slave as a race point out the black point out the classic weaponization of identities and you weaponize it and you think and it works for some time the question is for how long what can cinema do what can art do art can we can't provide we don't give you change excuse me this is my phone it's also allowed cinema were there people who come from Bombay allowed everything cinema were there Mr. Modi hello Shifali Adab I'm in an interview right now I'll call you back I'll call you back oh wonderful okay bye okay bye it wasn't Mr. Modi what do you think about Mr. Modi and Mr. Amit Shah I don't think about them sure but you have a view no my view is very simple they are I think sorry again this is cinema were they allowed allowed for your thing it doesn't matter it makes it more real actually sorry what do you think about them I think they are pompous arrogant they believe they are infallible they think they've got you know the power behind them to do what they want not realizing actually it's like a balloon once the air comes out they'll come out when you're so full of yourself you're so full of yourself you've dealt with characters how do you become like have you ever imagined the characters every fascist is for himself they've got on their side here right ok they're sitting like this can't forget that yes how can they be wrong so can cinema deal with these situations cinema should deal with a situation in which you are cinema can't bring about change but cinema can help towards I think a questioning process that's all to expect cinema to cause a revolution don't try it that's what the young man thought at your conference yesterday I like the young man but cinema doesn't bring about revolution cinema can bring about a kind of it can be help in terms of molding but in terms of change it's comes from people and I think the electoral process which is it'll happen would you consider making a film on India of today no I'm not interested I do through my books but if you were to make a film can you describe the title you might imagine for it is that correctly ascribed to civilization is a very fragile thing don't blink otherwise you won't be able to speak yes so this is the problem and yeah so let's we have to redefine reclaim our republic it has to be reclaimed because it's a very incredible nobility in the thought of the constitution it's a very noble document primarily for the weaker sections of society primarily for them it's for them it's got to be reclaimed and it has a dignity in it for ordinary citizens which to me is that's what the poetry is already all about you and I are fine it's to provide dignity to the ordinary citizens too and to work towards it that's what the journey is all about alright and thank you very much for joining us so welcome ladies thanks a lot for the news click and ICF