 www.kebc.co.keforzlash Why to FIFO engage with us? We have a lot in our convozation today. And today we want to talk about youth in leadership. And what is the role of youth, especially when it comes to leading in the country. I am joined by a very interesting individual today. He is the youth chairperson and governor at the Daystar University. He is called Walter Nalwa. Thank you so much. I am well aware that he also plays a role at Tongareni constituency. Yes, I do. What did you do there? Development agendas were the ones who frontier and push the members of parliament so that they can give the bursaries to the people they ought to. Because if we don't sometimes they relax and give the bursaries or any other development agenda that they ought to do, they make it selfish. So we try as much as we can to put them on toes. The power of the youth, the power for young man. And today as we shall be talking about it, remember, we shall also talk about national politics but also cover youth leadership in the country. Very good morning to you. Be part of this conversation especially on our online platforms. Walter, let me start first of all by acknowledging that you lead at Daystar, main campus. Yeah, main campus. We have different leaders from different campuses. How has it been in leadership especially as the, is it governor or chairman? It depends on the way you want to say it but it's the same thing, the definition is the same and the roles are the same. In my time in leadership it has been good because I've tried so much to live my words and to do whatever I promised my constituents. So the leadership with dignity and minimizing the politic aspect of it is what we front here. And our commander as Daystar is, we ride on servant leadership. So even in as much as we can say it's politics taking part of it, 80% or 70% is leadership. And the moment you don't work in Daystar students themselves they do watch and they'll question you. They are not always reluctant on anything. They will keep your toes? Yeah. Ah, what about Daystar? I'm sure kuna wengia mba wakapa wa hitu 5-4. Your chairperson is here. Ask him questions. Kama kuna kitu Daystar, main campus. Mba iku fraishi. Today you have the ability and the power to ask him questions and you will get answered. Correct. We will come to Daystar and have a show there. We are welcome. As soon as you can. You are welcome. When you look at youth in leadership, especially in the country, do you feel like youths are playing their role in taking up positions and after they have taken up positions, are they executing and playing their role in that particular position? At my knowledge at now, not 100%, but below average, is taking the initiative to take leadership and politics because majority tend to be ignorant and the elites, politicians, take advantage of our vulnerability. So they know we are disadvantaged, you don't have money, we are not employed. For us we are looking for that daily bread at daily meal. So them giving us a meal a day or handouts, that is what youth needs. They are looking for means for survival. So to them it's a plus, but to us it's end up being a disadvantage. Because you don't need handouts or you do need handouts. We need handouts to survive. You need handouts to survive. We really want to see the leadership that everyone is talking about. But with the unemployment that is there right now and the depression and everything, you see like right now there is a lot of graduation taking place in different campuses. I saw many people graduating, yesterday and Friday, no, Saturday. Inverse of Nairobi. Inverse of Nairobi was Saturday but it was Thursday. That's the Friday. I also saw USA, but I saw many institutions having graduation ceremonies last week and you are graduating into a society where you have no clue what your next step will be. I'm not sure at all. So according to statistics they say approximately each year it's 50,000 graduands and among these 50,000 graduands you are not sure who is not going to be employed and the criteria in which they ask you how will you get the experience or do you have the 4-year experience or the 2-year experience yet you've just graduated you're entering the job market so it becomes difficult for the youth that is why you end up being frustrated you get into drugs we ignore everything and consider politics, leadership as none of our business I would like you to give me your thoughts as an individual what pushed you to get into politics what drove you to what drove you to choose to become a student leader and get interested in having conversations like today we are going to talk about national politics what did that drove you towards that particular line of work Okay, personally I would like to say leadership is a call from God and I've been serving since my time in high school and when I entered campus so I think this is a call to me and I believe I'm delivering my best and coming into campus it's a little bit different because in campus there are a lot of riots a lot of demonstrations a lot of advocacy when you are not on the table does not bring a solution I've not seen lots of riots at Daystar it was once and it was very serious you had it once? yeah it was there in 2018 so even if you demonstrate and you are not on the table negotiation table to advocate for your issues at the table it's very difficult for them to be listened to you have to find your means to be on the table and discuss issues youth and it is that particular question that I want you to now spread the net into do you feel like the same push or drive that you have ought to have been reflected in many other individuals for getting into politics as youth and student leaders yeah the same drive yes but people have different interests in getting into politics before I get into office I'll tend to be very nice very good to you but immediately I'm there I now feel I'm comfortable I can do whatever I want because this power has entered into my mind so I ignore everything and end up fulfilling my selfish interest and that is the negative aspect of most of us leaders I think if we try to hone our words and be diligent to ourselves and the people who voted us in we can live a better society moving into the future I want us to get into national politics but before that I want you to give us your thoughts in regards to the student leaders who transition from the institutions into politics how is it supposed to be perceived especially from a public eye because we've seen many student leaders like for example Babu Owinu he was a student leader at Sonu he moved into politics now a member of parliament and so many other student leaders have gotten into politics in different positions in government both in the regime and the current one is there a way that we can be able to promote these student leaders because after they get into politics the perceptions change right now you are talking about servant leadership but once you get into that other once you cross the border let me for lack of a better term once you cross the border the perceptions change the perspectives change the things you stand for to change how can we change that narrative as at now according to my knowledge I understand that the youth leaders who have been voted into parliament a good number is trying their best for instance Babu Owinu in fact he might be having his negative negative maybe perceptions people might have the negative perceptions according to him but if you go to his constituency the guy is working the guy majority of the students from Embakasi is constituency in school and ambassador is usually brought to school anytime every time and then the empowerment projects are being done he's done table banking among women the constructions of roads so him is working another example is David Oceani is in a ministry but he is working he is trying his level best to ensure there is empowerment among youths and he is always willing and free to come and share with the youth and give them a knowledge on how things are supposed to be working my former student leader from my campus is called John Brian Oyaro right now he is doing projects in his home county not because he has been elected but because he has decided let me work for my community because my community is my responsibility others from University of Nairobi like Vikings Bondo they are doing work yet they have not been elected yet so that drive is still there and I believe that if we student leaders can stand and say this is the path we want to follow we can lead the 15 million youths to rally behind a youth leader that we believe can change the society because leadership is very important very important and then as at now I believe majority of the Kenyans majority of the youths are educated even if you have not entered the university education at least you have that from for knowledge that you can be able to think critically evaluate and study and be able to identify who is the leader and who is not the leader to be trusted so I believe in youth leadership and I believe that we as youth leaders a time is coming now they are talking about economy a time is coming whereby we will not mind our tribal angles we will not mind where the person comes from but we will all be minding about service and I believe by 2027 majority of us will be there and we will have that constructive conversation are you planning to get into active politics like you the way some of our leaders have gotten into in future in future yes but as at now I am still working at the university level and when I am out of that area of juries right now I will plan for what next I want us to talk about that particular aspect national politics because the youth have a voice as a student leader you lead your people and many others even at stronger constituency what do you think about what is taking place at the national level right now we are seeing the president displaying a form of a sense of disappointment in some of the members of parliament who according to him say he brought in the BBI to promote the Mount Kenya region but the MPs of that region appointed him by not supporting this initiative and going behind his back at the end of the day to rally in support for the other side you thought so bad for me I would say that these MPs always on either sides I will use the analogy of two sides of the same coin and they are not different they have not been working for their constituents so right now they just depend on going and siphoning money from their kingpin get money come back dish it out to the electorate so as to gain that trust or for for the electorates to be subjective to them so that come 2022 if I do not have a track record my key performing indicators are not clear yet is it consistency very important in leadership so if these things are not clear the only option I have is to buy the vote or bribe the voters so that they can vote me back again because right now I don't think even they might be launching me a project but those projects are just a stepping stone to tell the electorates that you see, mimi nima yaza kazi muni pati ingetano nima lise so after they are given that term again they wait for another 4 years and then do the same thing so it becomes difficult for performance to be done by the members of the legislature is the president justified in his feeling or feeling betrayed for the president I can say he is betrayed right now because even his jubilee party right now the people are supposed to be his pivot or behind him to ensure that his big 4 agenda and other things that he promised being done it seems like majority have run away they have left him, he is alone so he is kind of frustrated and sometimes I do say he usually talk out of frustration and disappointment to an extent that he doesn't even want to act as a president or say things as they are but sugarcoats to some extent and try to just find that personal motivation to address the public and now that we are where we are we are seeing Central Kenya going at a loss because they were supposed to be given over 50 billion if it's not 53 billion chillings if I'm not wrong that was supposed to go to Central Kenya should it be considered as a loss when the BBI flopped especially for Central Legion and any other region that was supposed to benefit when the BBI flopped it was a loss to the Central majorly because they are among the majority in terms of numbers so they will definitely lose and besides them right now you can see there is no presidential candidate again from the Central Kenya who can be rated same as right on Arreboraila Molo Dinga or the deputy president William Ruto so they are on the edge trying to understand how will they fit in and get into the government so that they can even really for the interest of the people from Mount Kenya even the governors you see right now all of them are striving to ensure they are elite or they are in a coalition that will form the government so for Mount Kenya it was a loss yes but I think in as much as equality is concerned it's okay let's move it the way it is right now now he was saying that now he has left the the region now in the hands of the people because alasama that he's going to fight and try to get things for Central Kenya but now that he feels betrayed he has left it in the hands of the people to choose the kind of leaders that they want to have to me that a desperate statement that I think maybe it should have not said because since the president comes from Mount Kenya region he is the Spokesperson automatically but when it gets to a situation whereby you see Mata Karua being voted in as the Spokesperson the speaker of the parliament Spokesperson again it turned out being again like on how the Lua land is right now five Spokespersons so who will be the person to leave the others or who will be the person to speak on behalf of everyone you know in his own he said that he wanted to leave the region in safe hands but now he's saying he's just going to leave it in the hands of the people you see that is still a desperate move that is still a desperate move because these people are the same people that will be manipulated by him by the MPs and by whoever the person that maybe might lead because let's say Mata Karua is now the Spokesperson the speaker of the parliament is the Spokesperson the other day Muranga County Governor Muranga County Governor said he wants to be the president and is the Spokesperson in the Mount Kenya region is trying to or each region in Mount Kenya is trying to pull aside and that will be causing a lot of division unlike when there is one person and that's why these unity talks were very important yet they do feel in your own view that these unity talks are going to bear fruit unity talks as at now because we have Mata Karua we have Kuriya most is Kuriya there for now they might sit down and agree just because there is an election coming up next year but we don't know what these people are planning behind doors because of maybe their personal interest and what because each and every person even they might be thinking of the entire Mount Kenya region to be united but when it comes to them individually what are they thinking because at the end of the day what are you bringing on the table do you have numbers do you have resources that will help us again on the table if there is no news going to be why for presidency from our region what are we going to do so the unity talks might be successful but it's a very difficult conversation that they need to they need to have all of them do you think he has lost trust in the region because that is his backyard for president according to his sentiments previously I'd say he is kind of disappointment but we cannot say because this might be to some extent it can be a political language or he might be meaning it so we don't know again if it's a reverse psychology playing to the people he might again wake up and say no you can't do this I'm the one in charge because he is the president now in your view we've seen many members of parliament coming up with bills in parliament and it was interesting and I was remembering what Honorable Maena Kamanda said he said that these people against BBI are now shouting loudly over the same things that they campaign against currently and it reminded me of what Honorable Keoni did in parliament these conversations on the prime minister seat getting two deputy presence and two deputy prime ministers this is an aspect that was in the BBI interestingly are we seeing double standards are we seeing people trying to campaign against something yet try to bring it back again in other means what exactly are we talking about in consistency in leadership then how can they be trusted if they speak from one from both sides of the chiks to me according to how manuva and everyday I say that these people are usually driven by their personal interest because even before during the voting of the BBI at the senate or at the parliament you could see a person who is opposing it in public when they get into parliament and the person who is in public watching for it when it comes to the parliament they voted no so to them I know it's their self interest but not the goodwill of the people if it could be a matter of goodwill of the people this entire document could have been crafted and drafted in a manner that all the good things in that particular document included and whatever that they think is not constructive can be think through analyzed critically and so judgment made because the document had some good aspect of it and it also had negative aspect of it but again the procedure in which it was taken through it was wrong in regards to that particular document to the particular document to me I was giving it 80% a no and 20% a yes because the 80% was not realistic to me for example the tax free and tax free holiday among the graduates or the youths if the MIA constitution that we have right now it has not been acted upon that thoroughly how sure we that they are going to work on it anyone to me it was 80% a no and 20% a yes for the BBI document which particular aspects do we have that are incorporated in the 20% in the 20% the 20% was the benefit of doubt on whether it passed if this document is the 20% was the benefit of doubt to it and then the fact again that the entire document yes the tax levy could be very good for us for the money that is going to the constituencies that again yes the money will go to the constituency right now the money allocated to the constituency it is not well utilized so how sure we that even if it is increased it will be utilized or be given to I want us to meet this conversation I want us to meet this conversation to close and I want us to wrap it up because then there is all about youth in leadership speak to that particular Kenyan watching it today have a final word and I also want you to to address your people at least to any youth outside there who is aspiring to be a leader or who has that urge and motivation to lead their people I'd urge us to not to be passengers at our capacities but to be the drivers because matters youths can only be addressed by the youths and therefore the youths can come up and advocate for interest advocate for issues until we are had to my fellow district university students this is Naluha Wata here and I believe you believe in my leadership and we are going to work together moving forward thank you do you have relations coming up I don't think so until next year until next year but I hope you have left a mark I have you can ask I know there are a couple of interns here you can ask them come up next time in many capacities that is at the river Naluha Naluha Wata is my name thank you for coming how can we find your social media my social media handle is senior.naluha every platform Facebook, Instagram and Twitter thank you so much my brother keep it up I love what you are doing keep doing what you are doing at the end of the day we are transforming Kenya into a better country for the generations that will come after us and that after them it is our responsibility thank you my brother I will come I will come that was the end of this conversation on why in the morning my name is Ram Maguko keep it going on on social media the hashtag is on in the morning at Ram Maguko and at Y254 channel we have a lot in store for you still coming up in a bit this is why in the morning