 Welcome to the 18 78 FM podcast myself, pet and Dave. We are bushless again. He's still on it was predicted last week by Dave that childcare will be Bush's main priority. I've got a gripe with this gripe away because yesterday he was on the radio all day doing a Indie disco all day like now. Although now we did do from his box room I can tell. Okay, I heard that and I wonder whether that was pre recorders. I don't know. I mean, I was listening for a brief moment and it was like just very quick links between, you know, cooler shaker and such forth. And I did think that but then did he read out a tweet or something like tweet might have been made up or sent to him by by his Mrs or one of his children or something. But I did think that would be that would even that though Dave would take a lot of recording, wouldn't it? Just to do the links for seven hours. Yeah, it would. But I suspect that that might have been pre recorded. So in his defense, he might be having all of this week off. But I did say last week, I said there's no danger beyond this week, not when the kids are still on Easter holes and sure enough, I've got a backstory to that. But I have no issue. I have no issue with them, with them not being here because he's got the kids. That's fine. It's safe to take that home with you. It's just that, you know, also, you know, doing doing the side hustle. Yeah. What I would say is Mrs was off yesterday. And she's back in there today. So that might have created. How do you know that? Because he told me. Yeah, how do you know that? If you literally looked, because you know what boys, you know, if you looked in our group, you would see there's a group. Yeah, we do have a group. You are in it. Yeah. Yeah. He said in the group that it's wise back at work. I'd look more in our group if there was more like exciting stuff. Like I want to see Dave on his paddle board. Just giving it one of them going through the rivers of. A lot. A lot. Well, Dave. But you know, going down with a big, with a big GoPro stick, getting good selfies of himself. That's, you know, flashing the abs. That's the kind of thing you want. Yeah. The Jillian. Jillian styled here. I mean, Jillian styled here. If you think about styled here. Dave's got tremendous hair, Dave. Definitely needs to take it. But Dave's our very own Ironman. He rides his bike. Does go some 25 mile bike thing. It's fine. When you say Ironman to me, I have a completely different. I was like, he goes round in a metal suit flying. Not that kind of Ironman. Sorry, sorry. He rides his bike. He paddled boards. I bet you he fell in a few times there for qualifying and swimming. And he also runs. So. And I've got the glasses. And the glassy look. I mean, middle. Yeah. Middle Island. I'll be there. He's there. So a couple of a couple of things to pick up on there. Yeah. I would very much like to get the abs in order to be able to show him off. And I don't think I'm going to get those in the middle isle of little. Not maybe. Little isle. They get carry on. Sorry. Yeah. Middle. The Ironman things is a bit of a stretch, but I do have the Ironman glasses case for me reading bins. And I did consider actually getting out on the paddle board on Friday and indeed Saturday, but neither happened just because I was too busy doing other things. But it is approaching that kind of weather. I've turned the heating off already. So that's it. Winter dog officially. Good luck. And in fact, next, this time next week, Monday, Tuesday, it's supposed to be about 20 degrees. It's getting warm and it's getting close to me being on the board on the river. paddle board season, paddle board season. Indeed. Is there a better season? That's what people are asking themselves. We've done very well to stay away from football for the opening of five minutes, but let's, let's. Let's get, get it out the way Dave. As it, as we expected, it will be a tough game at all. Yeah. Yeah. Ever since we've beaten two nil, it could have been a lot more if it wasn't for Jordan Pickford. Quite clearly, England's number one, regardless of the foul polls and arguments that take place on Twitter about Aaron Ramstile and him. But I don't know about you, Dave, but me and Ped, we've done all the stuff yesterday, the post stuff. We just, the results aside, that you can lose games when you play brilliantly and we've lost many of old Trafford when we've been good, bad and indifferent. But we were a bit disappointed by the performance. Not the result, if that makes sense. Obviously you're disappointed when you lose a game, but it was the, the nature in which we lost it, which was a bit, well, we felt was a bit disappointing. I'd agree with you. I'd agree with you. And, and I think we have been under Sean Dice. We've been hard to beat of late and hard to play against. And I thought that on Saturday we weren't hard to play against particularly. And, and that was a disappointing thing. I actually weirdly, I quite fancied us on Saturday. And I don't know why, but I did quite fanciest in terms of recent form. And I thought we might just, we might just nick something there. But as you said, if it weren't for heroics from Jordan Pickford, who I thought was outstanding in the first half, it could have been a lot worse. I thought, I thought United were, were better than us in, in every department to be honest with you on the whole balance of things. But yeah, it was, it was, it was disappointing when you compare it to how Everton have been of late. And I just didn't think it was quite up to their recent form. And for that, it's disappointing. But my take on the whole thing is just quite simply. And I think, I think, you know, from what you said before, I think we're all of the same mentality. It's just, it's one of those chalk it off, move on, you know, it's done. I mean, there's no shame in losing 2-0 at Old Draftford for anybody. And I think, yeah, it's just one of those. We, we, we move on. And we have to, we have to look at Fulham and Palace now, where we, we really need some points. Absolutely. Yeah, that was it. It was, I just expected us, I fancied us to get it through, to be honest. I just thought it was nice and solid. I thought one each. Yeah. Yeah. We'll, we'll make it difficult for them because I was thinking the cup tie where they, they did beat us. But that was quite a tight game really. And at a time when we were wide open, and I just wondered if with the way we've been playing of late, we could go there and stay in the game and next. And to be honest, you open pick for dig keepers in the game massively. But we were so open, one ball over the top and deeper through on pick for all the time. But, you know. And that was the thing is that you knew is that, you know, save after save after save from Pickford. You knew that he can only keep doing this so long. Yeah. Or rather, it's only a matter of time before, before, you know, they get their break. Because you're right, they were so open and he was offered no protection whatsoever really for large, large parts of that. And then, you know, MacTom and I got his, got his, got his goal. And yeah, it's just, it, I didn't think we were hard to play against on Saturday and that was disappointing. You know, I fancied us to get something, but it wasn't to be. So that's that. Done. No, you're right. I mean, there is a case of moving on better than it was. It was a poor performance, wasn't it? And my hope and that there has been the tended to be a response after the couple of other display field. There was a response after that. There was a response after Arsenal, albeit we drew a force, but we should have put that game to bed and that we need a response this week against Fulham, don't we? Yeah. I very much was expecting a hammer and I must admit, I was really dreading this game. And I've been quite alright about games recently, but I was expecting us to get absolutely smashed. Yeah, honestly, because I just don't think we've got any attack and threat. I know, but I just don't think we've got any attack and threat, Dave. And I just think Manchester United is the kind of place that you, you, I don't know. We've seen this. I've seen this a million times where, you know, you either set up and you defend and you sort of sit there thinking, well, we're in for a rough ride because we're not putting a glove on them or we do this, which is the other way, which we were wide open. And I just didn't expect anything from the game. And to be honest, I was quite relieved and that's, that's, that's a sad indictment, isn't it? Of the, of like, we can all get caught up in there how well we're doing under Shaun Dice, but we are crap. Like we are genuinely, we are genuinely, we're genuinely crap all over the pitch. We've just getting through. No, we are. I think we convinced ourselves that we're actually a decent side and we're not. We're rubbish. I think we're rubbish. And I just think that what we've become is organized. And I think we've, we've got everyone's working really hard. And then that's a, I think that's a, I think that's a big thing to get you, to get you away from or try and get you away from the bottom and pick up points because there's so many bad teams down there, but you look at Palace and you look what Hodgson's done in a couple of games, he's harnessed all these attacking talent and I just think that, that's, that, that shows you what good experienced managers can do. And this one I was, as I said, I was really worried, but I honestly did not expect us to be like that on Saturday, even in my waste, waste nightmares that I expect us to be that bad. You want them to work for the goals, don't you? Yeah, exactly. And we were, we were, we were cut open as you said with a, with a long ball every time. I'm just like, really? You're, you're the master of like, you know, the dark arts and defending and all this. And I didn't get it. I didn't get it. And you do, you just go, that's done now, move on to the next one. That one shouldn't have been, I can't imagine it will because the professional footballers, you just have to say that was that day and we move on to the next one. And I'm sure the manager took a lot of responsibility for it. Dave, if you, if you're looking at like a positive from, from the weekend though, is that we've just come out of a set of tough games. I mean, he's had, we were saying, yes, he's had Arsenal, Switzerland, Liverpool, Chelsea, Manchester United and Tottenham in his, in his first 10 games as a manager. So to us, to come out of this weekend and not be in the bottom three, I think that to me, I looked and thought I've looked at it. I mean, on Saturday it was a bit different. Well, yeah. But still, still not there are we? So that's the way to look at it. And now, like you just have we're going into two games against Fulham and Palace. We've got to get put, you know, we need at least four points from those two games, don't we? Well, we do in my opinion anyway. No, I'd agree with you. And, and, and, um, you know, again, it's easier said than done. I mean, you know, they've got to, they've got to, they've got to take three points against Fulham. Um, but Palace away, you know, will be tough. Yeah. Um, but, um, you know, we're going to rely on, on other results again. For sure. Um, but yeah, you know, listen, it's, uh, we, we, we, we have to chalk it off. But as you say, I mean, you know, he's, he's actually done well in terms of what he's, what he's done, given the, um, you know, the severity of the fixtures as you point out, you know, he's had a, he's had a tough old start. And, um, you know, you look at the ones coming up now. You know, there's no easy easy games, but, you know, you would think that there's hopefully some points there somewhere. And hopefully we can just about keep our heads above the trap door. Yeah. Um, but it's going to be reliant upon other people. Um, and as I say, unlike you, Ped, I, I, you know, I was more in, in Baz's camp on that. I didn't think that we were going to get a hammering. I thought, you know, as I say, I thought maybe a hard four, one each or, you know, we might even just nick it. And you know, when you look at it as well, um, with that chance that Ella Sims had on 19 minutes, you know, if he got a hold of that properly, which he did in them is awful stuff. Have you got a hold of that properly? Then it could have been a different situation. You never know. Do you? Yeah. You never know. Um, but it's gone. It's gone. It could be, you know, put it this way. We'd feel worse if we were like leads united, wouldn't we? You know, palace at home and a chance to go above them and you get done five one, you know, things like that. So we've just, we've come out, we've got to come out of that and just go right. You know, we've got two games at that point today. You know, there's a palace will be tough. You're absolutely right, Dave, but I think there's, you know, it's a game. I'd put it this way. It's hard to play crystal palace away than like Manchester City, Liverpool, you know, and all that. So yeah. I mean, we've got, you know, we've got city coming haven't we? But yeah, but that's at home. But I mean, yeah, in a way, you know, the way games coming up now, we've got palace wolves, less death. The points are there for everything. It is in our hands because if the results, if the results, we will, we won't go down. So that's what we've got to do. The only way we can look at it now and take game by game. And they, you know, I was near he said something then there was like a little bit of positive at the end of last round. I'm not going to say because I think last time he said that he wasn't even near the squad. So I won't mention his name this week. But there you go. We will move swiftly on from that. What did you make of the Leicester appointment of Dean Smith, by the way? I'm not sure. I'm not sure if I was a Leicester fan that would be giving me great hope. No, which is good, good, good for us. Yeah. I'm not like, I'm not putting off on against Dean Smith. I think I just see not a bad manager, but I think I watched the last 10 or 15 minutes a day again against Bournemouth on Saturday and that was one. Talk about toxic when you're talking about everything. The players were getting older and the fans were but it was mad. It was a real weird atmosphere. Will it give them a bounce? Who knows? Who knows? It might do. I mean Leeds had a bounce didn't he? Quickly, even grassier but then not dissipated. I don't know whether that would have convinced me that way going to stay up with it was Dean Smith coming in, but they probably had to do something, didn't they? No. See, I could sit here and go, he's a terrible manager or this or that, but I'm not saying anything because he only asked it. He's took, he's took, he's got Shakespeare and he's got John Terry. Yeah. And you know, he's got to try and shore up that defence and if he can, if he can get a tune out of it, then he have got goalscores and it's just another thing. Putting the mix, isn't it? I think they had to do something, they were drifting after second Brendan Rodgers and I think they've made their point to the end of the season. It's got a nice easy start from slightly anyway. Well, yeah, but I mean that's one of those ones where it's a case of well, it almost gives them an extra week, doesn't it? But it's a good life, which they could easily than that rest. Does that make any difference though? I think it does. Does it though, really? You know, I don't know if it does, if you tell them on going somewhere and there's absolutely no pressure on you to lose a game of football, there's no, there's nothing that could happen to them on Saturday, that would, that would make things worse. I don't think, I think it's a case of for them knuckling down and you know, and getting on with it. And it's just another thing to add to the mix. As I said before, we've seen what Roy Orchins done with Crystal Palace with their attack and talent, because they've got a lot of young attack and talent and they just needed, maybe they just needed to go back to basics. And even if that's only, even if that's only a two, three, four game bump, a two, three, four game bump at this stage of the season, is, is huge, absolutely huge. They can get you, can just give you that little bit of breathing room. You know, look at Palace now. Palace will be thinking two wins and they're safe. Whereas, you know, two weeks ago, everyone was thinking they're on their way down. They're, they're inserable. They've just gone to Leeds and five ones. So there's still a lot of twists and turns. And it is almost that thing when you look at the league at the moment and you think one week, some, you know, there's a different team in, in, in the bottom three and then the following week it's a different team. And it's almost that thing of a game by game basis. And you almost, to me, to me, it's, it's that thing of like, you look at the fixes and you, the teams are flip flopping and it's, it's not even like Cecil's answer, but, it's just whatever week it falls on. Do you know what I mean? And that final week could just be, there could be a completely different bottom three to what we get at the beginning of the day. And that's what's so, that's what's so horrible. Self-hamson are gone, in my opinion. Well, yeah, they are, but they're not. So, you know, they're not winning games of football, but there is that thing of just... Well, like, they've got pallets in their own shatty. I think pallets are bad, to be honest with you. But then you could see self-hamson beating them though. But crystal pallets, like you've just said, look there and think, well, if we win this next one. Yeah, yeah, of course. Which helps us when we play them, because the point we make... But I don't think anyone feels like they've gone no-doody. Everyone feels like they're still in it with eight, nine games to go. And Leicester have got shitty away, then Wolves are home. Yeah. So that's the one for them. Wolves are home, just so fun. But it's a one that they... But we've got to go to Leicester as well. Yeah. And we've got to go to Palace, and we've, you know, we've gone Wolves. And we've got to go to Wolves, so that's huge in that terms as well. And our waveform is absolutely dreadful. It is. But I still think they're games we will go and hopefully get something out of. But that's... We won't know. We've just got to take it game by game, like you've said. Yeah. Dave, there was obviously just moving away from Everton, but there was a lot of controversy over the weekend with decisions again, and particularly, but we won't, you know, the Lions and... We've got a Lions and Elbow and someone, which I think most of the country applauded who we elbowed. I mean, you would, given who we elbowed. Who we elbowed. I mean, I think everybody is behind behind that one. I mean, you know, without being too personal, there was not... I can't think of anybody who I dislike more, actually, in the top flight to him. I mean, he's just a horrible, horrible. Even... Like, I'm quite keen, but it was funny, when I called him a big baby. Yeah, I mean, that was... That's better, because it embarrasses the kid, which is good, because his behavior is a joke. He's not about winning. He is a joke, the fella, the way he carries on. But the Tottenham Brighton guy... He's left back in the world. Yeah, yeah. He's not even the best left back in the club. You look at the stuff with Brighton weekend. I don't know whether you've seen it, Dave, but there was three... I didn't actually, to be fair... Honestly, three atrocious decisions when against Brighton. I would say four. What'd you say four? I would say four. I think all four were wrong. They would say, honestly, real bad ones, Dave, where a lot of people are now questioning whether it's scripted, which is what it looks like. Right. And then you had Peter Walton on Sky. Sorry, on BT, and he's got Robbie Savards and Chris Sutton going through the things, and he basically come out with a line, which I mean, I've known, because Scoodemore said this Michael, she said basically they're told who to make sure wins the games of football. And Walton basically said, well, you know, some weeks you're told, like you'll give them and another week she's told not to give them. And it's like, how can you be told one week to give a penalty to that team and the next week don't give it? I don't think they were as exact words. What was his words? I think it's words, words. Because I can get them all. No, no, I don't think it's words where we give penalties one week and we don't give them another. I'm not... No, no, but it wasn't that. I'll get the... No, no, but I guarantee that's not what he said. He basically framed it as in how you check VAR. That's what he was referring to, I think. He was saying that some weeks we refer to VAR and some weeks we don't refer to VAR. That's what he was trying to get across. And he was saying to the bit wrong person. No, that wouldn't come out. No, no, but that's as bad. Because what he was saying was the way we do things some week is we'll check VAR to see if the decision is right. And some weeks we'll leave it to the linesman or leave it to the referee. And that's just as bad as cheating. That is cheating because that goes against the rules of the game. Well, that's what Sutton and Sadler said, baby. He was saying it to the wrong person. He was saying it to Robbie Savage. So it was two penalties that were both Blighton penalties and it was two goals that were disallowed for Blighton. One, the lad controlled it and you could clearly see that it was on his shirt, so the T-shirt line. The linesman put his flag up for a handball and because he put his flag up they said that changes how they look at it then. So then the VAR had to fire the clear error and the clear error was that it wasn't on ball and then the next one was someone had a shot it hit McAllister literally on his hip, went in and they claimed that it was handball even though what didn't hit his hand and if he had hit his hand his hand was literally touching his hip and they disallowed it and that was a one-one and both of the penalties were that one-one as well and all of them are seen matching the day and they sort of went well we'll give them the benefit of that one. No, no, don't give them the benefit. They were all wrong. They were all wrong and as Baz said, Peter Walton came out during the BT thing and was like oh well some weeks they'll check them and some weeks they don't. And then Robbie Savage said to him is how would Web your mates and he went yeah and he went you let them off and he was like I was like what's the point? What's the point? We've got no experts who are mates with the people who are doing it. So what was said ultimately in terms of when they decide to check VAR and when they don't decide to check VAR is linked to or influenced by whatever the agenda is that they have been is that what's saying? Because if that is the case and that obviously that ruins the integrity of all of the officials well that's what everybody is stuck from it. Yeah, no, but you've got to be careful in what you've got to be careful is taking something you hear and making it what you want to hear and no, no, what I'm saying is so he didn't say if he didn't say we go by fixes he just basically said he basically said some weeks we follow the protocol and some weeks we don't follow the protocol but even that and its basic basic level is wrong because if you're it's that goes back to that thing that we used to have at the beginning of the season when a new rule comes in jostling in the box first couple of weeks there's a penalty there's a penalty and then they get sick of it and then they go now we're not doing that anymore but so to decide that to decide that some weeks you're going to follow the VAR protocol and some weeks you're not it's just shows how it's that to me you don't need to bring in conspiracy theories, he said it he has said it my stuff comes from when skewed them all said we have to have Manchester United in the top four and the next season he was giving 15 penalties to him it's a disaster at the end I think when skewed them all were saying it he was saying it on we need as in Manchester United for the good of the league and yes and then you see what transpires but again with this he was saying we don't follow the protocols and it doesn't matter about anything else it doesn't matter what games they're in every game my big thing here is forget about even take the conspiracies away I believe a lot of it's scripted anyway because it's like anything if you've got something that's going to get loads of clicks you create something that gets you loads of clicks and the Premier League is at one big click on a higher level more eyes the bigger teams finish at the top and they spend more interest so they want them teams they want Spares representing them in the Champions League rather than Brighton so therefore Spares are going to get the decision it works with that I've seen lots of people have said it this week even to people who support the big teams have come out and gone this is a disgrace what's going on more and more has seen it but forget even taking all that and parking that over to the side and going well it might be a referee or a lineman can make an incorrect decision in the heat of the moment you see how quick the game is you can miss giving a penalty or you can whatever but those fellas who get the benefit of looking at the incident on a TV shouldn't make mistakes there shouldn't be any mistakes now what they should do instead of looking for clear and obvious errors which is nonsense and looking at ways to disallow goals which is what they do they're looking for offside so they'll look at it for 3 minutes to come up with a way to say well left toenail might have been a millimetre offside they should look at the Brighton stuff at the weekend the minute you see the replay they'll take some out they should look at that and go to the referee go and look at them and say it's a penalty because he's caught go and have a look yourself and that referee who is in control of that game should therefore go over especially for things like the game changing moments a goal, a penalty go over and have a look and if you look at it again and go no I'm still not comfortable with that a penalty don't give it, that's fine but at least the referee's gone and got involved that at the weekend was terrible I watched I've seen the other way on Saturday night I was watching DC United against Columbus Crew Columbus Crew got a penalty the referee went and looked at it and it looked like the VIR were convincing the ref that it was a penalty and you looked at it and you couldn't quite see the contract and I was thinking if it isn't obvious to look at not whether it's an error if it isn't obvious to look at when you look at it you should that to me isn't a foul, if you nudge me because like I've seen a lot of people say Damari Graves won, Harry McGuire on Damari Graves was a penalty on Saturday because he shoved them over I didn't think it was a penalty I thought it would have been soft if Everton would have been given that penalty but that will be given as a penalty of the weeks see personally I mean I call me a Luddite and everything like that but I was never particularly in favour of VIR anyway and still aren't you know decisions being made based upon you know human judgement and sometimes you get them right but at least you would hope that it's the same level playing field for everybody and always has been and I can live with human error and you look at things backing and you know what actually you got that right or you got that wrong but they even themselves out over the course of the season but now when you've got a situation where VIR can be used to potentially as is being suggested you know almost give them a reason for not allowing something then you know it's a worry and it changes changes what's happening do you want me to play this Chris Sutton clip that you sent me? I don't know I didn't know whether you wanted to illustrate the... we don't want copyright what do you mean we don't want BT Sport on our house because we haven't actually asked permission to use the clip exactly yeah and there's no BT Fairplay great channel it won't be BT Sport for much I don't know there you go yeah I think it can work though Dave and I think in the world cup it shows it works I think we are just massively getting it wrong because there's too many different collages there's too many ego's there's too many people who know each other the whole VIR thing I think is wrong because the guy upstairs doesn't want to upset us make downstairs you know there's too much going on I think you need people in the VIR room to play football who understand that we've been trained as referees but I've come out League 2 League 1 they've got mortgages to pay they go and get new jobs and they do it properly I think people who understand the game I just don't think referees will ever understand the game of football they don't understand what... we talked last week about Harry Kane and the stuff he gets away with because referees don't understand the mentality of footballers and I think I think it can be used for good don't get me wrong I've always been a favourite but it does take away less the day watching the rexing game and the last minute penalty I bet if VIR would have made them retake that penalty because I imagine Ben Foster was somehow off his line because you know what I mean and that's where VIR wrong does VIR wrong VIR does sort of impede on those moments of joy and where you look back and go he was offside there or something but in football you need those moments sometimes I do get that but it can work, we have seen it can work the VIR VIR was a perfect example of that but I always thought and this is maybe where I was naive I always thought that it would shine a massive spotlight on the issues of referees but we just have this thing where on a Monday morning the PGML L just issue apology and that's it and yeah there's a huge furor about this guy being suspended for suspect of Elbow and Robinson there's no clear evidence he did and surely yes I understand that that should happen you've got time you've got these decisions week in and week out which people just get away with it like the guy who was in the VIR booth on Saturday or the referee should be suspended for weeks because they've that's a disgrace what they've done is awful on a week in week out on the Robertson thing self defence self defence someone walked up to you in the street and Andy Robinson should know I'm here in Slidon I've been there for a few weeks ago I was just showing you that's what happens that's what can happen but there you go the sooner the AIR comes in the better AIR just everything chat net yes net replace net move away from 40 that was far too long it's half-time I missed the holidays and I was dropping my mrs and I fell her off and his mate off it and the doctor this morning he was going so it doesn't end all fair and I put a thing in our group that this is how you know if you ever order from Just Eat yeah I'm an Uber Eats to my myself well they're available as well we'll just have a look in the group that's what I was confronted with this morning hang on you want me to have a look in our group now have a look in our group now this was how the Just Eat fella was riding his bike this ain't good for a podcast no well it's net but on the screen so it's on the screen this is how the fella, now that's exact so you put your out the window on the video to see how that's a screen grab it but that's how the fella was cruising down to the Albert Dock what's he standing on? just on his bike just on the frame of his bike freewheeling you must have like ballet toes unbelievable that's an accident waiting to happen so if you're in the Liverpool area today and you get your food and it's all over the gaff that's why because your fella's basically just freewheeling your food could be anywhere I'm not going to I'm not going to try that he is like do you think he's like he paddled boards in the summer and he's just getting his stance right maybe he must have very very small and particular toes as you point out in order to get kind of purchase on that frame is quite a skill and certainly something that I'm not going to be trying I think my stunt days are over to be honest really but fair play I just had to bring it to the attention I could have seen Dave on kickstart in the 80s kickstart in the 80s what a classic program that was I loved kickstart let's let a load of 8 year olds motorbikes go out in a big water and just wash them off so be it I used to I used to watch kickstart and I had a rally striker at the time and so as soon as the program had finished I would go out and where my grandma lived on the world I had this sort of slightly stepped garden and there was like quite a big step down and then there was another one and then at the bottom there was this little sort of vegetable patch so you had to do a bit like kickstart you had to kind of sort of shunt your way sort of bunny hop backwards and then but yeah that was my little kickstart course and as soon as the program had finished I couldn't wait to get out and then get back on my rally striker and I loved that program if anyone doesn't know what kickstart was it was literally like 12 year old boys on motorbikes on little courses and they had to go up like little wooden planks and seesaws and then bunny hop over things couldn't do it now health and safety gone mad BBC probably wouldn't have to budget for it now didn't cost that much but it is health and safety gone mad kids on motorbikes in woods incredible it would be like a letter simple times simple times I still guess because of some of the stuff that I watch on Instagram which is normally car and motorbike bases I still get sent stuff honestly I get sent stuff like that and guys on trial bikes getting over all drums and all sorts of stuff I don't know how old they are the 12 year old from kickstart maybe about 40 it was classic it probably must have came out of grandstands used to be on all Saturday afternoon and they'd have to like fill in wouldn't they and then the same would like worldwide the sport on ITV they'd have to like now we bring you the most exciting balloon race you know potter balloon they'd have to fill they must have had a huge catalogue of like sports like you know dodge ball and stuff like that and just go we've got 15 minutes what are we going to do I don't know let's put the emu racing on and they've built the program I mean there was a similar situation of filling yesterday I don't know whether any of you had the joy of watching any daytime telly yesterday because yesterday obviously felt like a Sunday but it wasn't a Sunday it was a Monday you know you go and try and put Sunday brunch on and it's not on then this morning was on and they had Craig Doyle and Josie Gibson is it the you know the Bristol woman it was in Big Brother and it was just I mean honestly they had a whole thing on sleep deprivation which was wasn't fascinating and then they had like the world's most talented duck it was it was build out sorry no pun with the build out but you know what I mean and so you had at one point you had this did he have talent I don't know where did he make his money from well he clearly did have talent because he had a lot of money but where did he make I don't know maybe you know you had this duck who was then running away from Craig Doyle who was then on his hands and knees chasing this duck around the studio on AstroTurf going through those sort of little polytunnel things you know like they have a crop a crop and it was just just watching it just thinking I can't believe that this is this is on primetime TV you know and I've got nothing against Craig Doyle I think he's decent but I just think that he'll look back on that and I'm not sure that he's going to make his career go real who's Craig Doyle was he started off on like the holiday I remember the holiday he was yeah yeah yeah he did the Everest advert I see what a noise I know what I really hate what a noise you're about Craig Doyle no that was Craig Doyle he's a nice man knee triple glazing he used to open the windows and it'd be dead loud and then shut them and then he'd be like yeah bye one there's a helicopter outside where's a bleeding helicopter landing yeah I don't know I watched the helicopter take off on land just remember that though we used to have like Easter Monday you'd put BBC one on and it'd be like Disney time and all films and stuff like that now they're just silly with bargain hunts and whatever the shite on a Monday what happened there's no effort made for that special day science exactly because obviously that's when I play Friday and I'm playing Monday and games that's what I'm probably in the Premier League at the start of it and then it moved away we always played Saturday and then Easter Monday didn't you that was like the Christmas Easter Feast Easter May you know because of the games called 10 like 2 days incredible times last week we were asked we went into it right at the very end we were asked about chocolate remember different kinds of chocolate I've got some questions from our Premier League subscribers I'll read them up in a minute but we were on to it last week and we came on to like Toffee Crisp and we were finishing I don't think the Toffee Crisp discussion you held it back in fact I remember myself and Pead both commented on the fact that it would go down as a cliffhanger in many ways so let's go back to it I mean there is we'll discuss the Toffee Crisp right now and then we'll discuss what should be really what you'd find in like more like a selection box rather than you'd go into a shop to purchase it might be the only time of the year that you eat So Toffee Crisp just to go back to it they were underrated I think as a bar would you call it a bar? Yeah I would call it a bar I think so I think that's underrated for the value that you get you get in that bit of chocolate you get in the crisp and the bit of Toffee hence the Toffee Crisp What created the crisp? Like nice crispies wasn't it? Yeah it is exactly like that What Toffee Crisp was underrated for you Dave when you think about it or overrated in some respects or just rated? Interesting question thank you So for me it was one of those whereby there was something of a renaissance chocolate I would say because it's one that I hadn't had for a long long time maybe hacking back to my childhood and then I rediscovered the Toffee Crisp about three or four years ago in miniature form because they were kids packed lunch staples in our house so they used to kind of kick around and I was a bit like oh I'll try one of these again and I thought actually and as you already suggested it's an underrated chocolate bar and to the point where I would then go and buy them myself so impressed by the miniatures which were sort of sparked my taste buds and I would then go and buy them so I think that they are much underrated and I don't think that they get the respect that they deserve in that world and I would also suggest maybe in that category and bracket is the Lion Bar I was going to say about the Lion Bar I think the Lion Bar also wouldn't probably feature in many people's top five or top ten I think it's often overlooked do you remember the break it and it broke like a lion well I was going to say the Toffee Crisp benefited from a good advertising campaign because I remember it was all people sitting around having a sale and the Toffee Crisp came and then there was another one with Paul Brown who used to be in watching remember him and he's had a cash point and he's waiting and as he's waiting as you do the queue gets bigger and bigger and he starts getting that worrying feeling because the queue is huge and instead of money coming out and then I've just found another one from 1990 which was a Toffee Crisp advert which featured David Jason and Rolfe had us and we'll never speak of it ever again let's leave it there two little boys in a way of getting us off that potentially difficult platform that you've just plonked us on were Lion Bar and Toffee Crisp both made by Nestle? No, Roundtree's lying roundtree the other thing wasn't it when you went back to selection boxes it was that thing of whichever selection box you got whether it be a Nestle when I was a kid we were like posh Roundtree or obviously Cadbury that might sort of determine what and you may only get that chocolate once a year because you've got it in your selection box these were the problems we had they're not quite polling you're stocking but you know there was this selection box and I don't know whether that was King's Eye in the disparaging way there was one that begins with K which is the worst chocolate ever obviously it's kind of an energy type Oh you mean these threads that you always used to get in a mug? Like a jar once made by someone who'd be with a cake oh my god the chocolate was terrible that was like the cuckoo moth but the mugs were good though I've still got my Buffy Vampire Slayer in the mug quite clearly they put all the effort into the mug the chocolate was just an afterthought but I wasn't happy with that In more positive news I would say and this is quite the compliment but deserved in my opinion I think that Cadbury's is the finest chocolate in the entire world and I would put it over Swiss chocolate, Belgian chocolate or any of those European chocolates I think it is the best personally and if you look now is that Peter is displaying these with a plum they're actually gifts the gifts for me dairy, mint dairy milk, mint crisp I've not heard that one before well no Dave I will tell you why I will tell you what these are the second time this is the second time these chocolate bars have been in the studio the first time bars didn't feel like eating them that day so left them for a couple of days and then they strangely disappeared out of the studio and we were later told by Ned that well no one was eating them I took them home which I honestly think if my missus ever meets him in a dark alley he's going to have to shake it so they were actually these are Irish, this is Irish dairy milk Cadbury's and I'm going to tell you now Dave if you like dairy milk wait till you try the Irish stuff it is unbelievable the milk is the difference coming from the Irish cows honestly the taste is I'm looking forward to the taste test but I got loads of oh they were really nice he says where are they really nice I got loads of chocolate for Easter and I'm not going to eat it because I find myself not eating chocolate anymore that's causing me because of lent I haven't I've not eaten a single chocolate egg Easter so far my daughter has got two she's got a Cadbury's whisper one and she's also got I can't remember what the other one is it's one of those European chocolates you should be eating near chocolate eggs anyway Dave you should be eating it all and that's the thing and much as I could do because actually she doesn't know about the whisper one yet and she doesn't listen to this podcast so I could if I wanted to I could eat her Cadbury's whisper one and then just give her the other one but then I would then feel partially guilty all week and I'm not going to do that or certainly not this early into the week ask me on Thursday when I'm fancying it a bit more and I might have more of a chance but I got a big bar like a big proper bar at Oberon but I've already got a big proper bar at Oberon I think what happened was my mum went somewhere and she bought two and she kept one behind and she was like I'll give them that one now and I'll give them this one for Easter I haven't eaten at the first one I've still got an Easter egg in my house from three years ago why? genuinely because it's a fancy one and I can't just throw it away but they go great though it goes great they should just go great I don't eat chocolate I've stopped eating chocolate but it's that thing where people keep buying it and I'm just like don't get me anything I do like a little bit of chocolate I can't deny that it's all for Easter and I had a bit of dairy milk yesterday while I was watching Rexon I'm not going to lie over that I've got some questions like I said this discussion I think needs bushing it as well I'm interested we need a taste test I think what we all need to do is get a particular chocolate all of us at the same time and do a taste test and discuss it I mean it would qualify as preparation absolutely Dave 100% preparation for us Jack A says who's your greatest sportsman ever? Limey so if you stay away from football I imagine greatest sportsman ever it's a difficult one though really people like Daly Thompson that's who I'm thinking her tafflons are and the cathletes are unbelievable but to me are they not the film levels of the sports world? they're all right at lots of different different sports but they're not amazing at one because if Daly Thompson went another 100m race he'd get destroyed by about 25 people but he wouldn't now probably more but doing them all it's a difficult one it really is we all had Daly Thompson in the forefront of our mind the backflip and the smile what a guy another fella we benefitted from shaving his moustache off made it look younger and the same with Nigel Mansell and Lionel Ritchie and Martin as well I'm going soon as but then he'll just be coming we have an answer we have an answer 10 us players play 10 us players for a none for a none I'm going to go for Michael Jordan interesting I'm going to stick with Daly I can't think of anybody I can think of who deserves it more I'm going to go for Roger Federer there you go Daly Thompson was the first name who was the first person I thought of Mick Fairneval says maybe you're bored remember who are your favourite musicians just go to Dave for this your favourite musicians Dave that is a tough one but I'll tell you my favourite drummer only because I was having this conversation the other day and as a son of a drummer it's always an instrument that I like to focus upon and that would be Stuart Copeland from the police tremendous he's your favourite musician if you had one of all signed you you can name 25 McCartney he can get better than McCartney maybe well Ned said Paul McCartney couldn't teach him anything Matt Sign says is there such a thing as a bad pint can a single pint ruin your day after the other six were perfectly fine oh it's hitting me people always talk about you must have had a bad pint I'm not sure about that one I've had pints where it's the bottom of the barrel and it comes out all cloudy and you're a bit like no you can do another one that way I think you can if you're the wrong timing okay if you could get up to a million subs for the show by appearing on one of the following we'd nominate Dave or Bush or this one quite clearly what would you choose swamp people catching alligators or snakes or deadliest catching winter with a foot of ice on your boat I'm going to go for the deadliest catch really? I'd not do the one I don't like the idea of one of those things killing me but I think the cold one if you look after yourself wrap up get some nice mittens get some decent footwear on an icy boat I think you'll be alright it's a short term thing isn't that being inside an alligator is it a short term thing? well I mean it can be a short term thing it depends how snappy it is but again no pun intended I think also I've realised even in private never main on a public forum I quite like fishing based programs and I don't mean kind of like gone fishing with rod nets I mean stuff that involves fishing boats and trawlemann and people like that I watch these things and I do I find that I enjoy it so I'm like Peter said I'm going to go for the deadliest catch option B please we'll go for that one I went fishing with Robson green and I was going to say come on Dave Peter says it saw the bush mobile in Heartleap Hill sorry bush mobile I don't know bush mobile have a photo or photograph I don't know does he mean that maybe he saw a car with a registration that could have possibly been bushes maybe be you maybe 54, maybe. Maybe. You know what I mean? If Peter gets that and gets it uploaded, we will discuss next week when the bus is back, if he was actually not doing the part. So many connotations. Well, there's so many connotations, if you're talking about the bush mobile, isn't there? There's a lot. I suspect it was BU54NOB is the registration that this guy saw. And if he sends us the picture, then we can clarify that. Yeah. Stuart Thompson says, why does the public pay for the bank's mistakes, hence retirement age, go and go from 65 to 67 and eight? Should we just sack all the government and start again? That's a very complex question. That's a question that, you know, I wasn't expecting. No, I wasn't expecting. I was following on from bush and from the deadliest catch. This is what happens, variety. I can't answer stupid, personally, why it's been decided that the public pay for banks mistakes. I get your point and I agree. Yes, we should sack all the government and start again. There needs to be a total restructuring of government. We have a corrupt society. And we start with the Premier League. We as people pay for it because we don't stand up for ourselves. Okay. I think maybe to move the subject on to something that we perhaps understand slightly better is that what I do like about this is the fact that if this was in France, and indeed it was recently because they obviously kicked off about this, is I like the fact that the French, if they're not happy, they're just riot, you know, and there's, you know, there's times when only a good riot will solve issues. And I don't think we do it enough. You're absolutely right. There's too much. I don't think we do it enough. There's too much in this country. There's too much kind of like, oh, you can't, you see this in the football all the time? You see this in the football all the time? Two people come together and you go, oh, we don't like to see that. Yes, we do. When Russia had the fight with Conte, we're brilliant. There's too much, they go on about the snowflake generation in this country. And yeah, the people who are supposed to be our people are supposed to fight for us. Just sit there and go, oh, this is great, isn't it? The interest rate's gone up to 5%. What do we do? Oh, pour me another cup of tea. And she'll be on the street kicking off. I haven't made it to, you know, nothing is ever... I mean, especially... Go on, Dave. Go on, Dave. If ever there was a chance of time to be doing it, though, you know, with that whole bloody PPE scandal and all the corruption from the government, there should have been national riots. People are going to jail, honestly. People are going to... There was no money at once. There was no money to give the nurses, doctors, pay guys. It's not a sight to date. I've seen a pay slip. They ain't about the same as Ned. I went past the women's hospital before I gave them the apple. But what I'm saying is, we'll do it all outside with the... That's no reason to do that. But what I'm saying is, Dave, he wouldn't give them a pay rise, but then he could find £110 million for PPE that didn't exist. No, something I missed about the last... I said to her, I said to her, I said to her, Mrs, are we getting a bank holiday for the King's Coronation? And she went, yeah, I meant, okay. And then she... Someone said to her, and where? Oh, I see you're happy taking... My Mrs got an Irish passport. Yo, you're happy taking the day off, aren't you? Because it's the King's Coronation and she went, yeah, I'm what? And I was like, oh, so it's fine that we got a bank holiday. Why can't we have a bank holiday anyway? So they throw out the bank holidays for when the Queen or the King or whatever. Why can't we have them anyway? Like... There is, mate. Let them be. It's, mate. Hey, Mark, Max says, who's your favourite terrible editing player of all time? For example, a Strachran or Anne, like I had less chicken and we loved them, but he was terrible. Um, probably the Strachran. Probably the Strachran, but yeah, probably the Strachran, because he actually did something with his terribleness. Like, no, he was genuinely terrible, like, but he knew he was terrible, and he just waked his ass off and, like, had that one chance and scored in a couple of games, but there's some people who are genuinely terrible, who think they're brilliant, and have took the money in just that day for years. So fair play to him for that. Oh, man, yes. Yeah. Like, couldn't jog around the centre-circle? Well, couldn't, couldn't, he jogged around the centre-circle. I tell you what, though. With Everton dropping a big goal. I tell you what, though, he offers more, more attacking threat than we have at the minute. I know. He does. Let's not move on. You know, I'm doubting. Let's not move on to him. He is one of the greatest tales, though, isn't he? He has got to be one of the greatest. Like, the greatest bit of that was the, was it Bournemouth? Was it the, not what he did? Bournemouth game, when we were getting beat 1-0 and he come on and got the 2. You watch, like, you're watching stories. Human, cumin. You watch, like, films or TV, and you think this is just too far-fetched. And yeah, his story was, a player who allegedly wants to play the year in Russia. He did in some bladdery bedroom. Give me, basically, on a Twitter vote. He got, we paid $13 million for him, when we could have had so many better players. Dambly for half a price that day. He basically was hid for two months because he realised how terrible he was. He said he had a wrist injury. Frozen out the seat. Comes on in his first game. Didn't have a clue. We were tuning up against West Ham, end up getting B-3-2. And then he gets, cumin does probably the writing and said, listen, you're awful. Forced into bringing him back. And he scores the two massive goals on the day, to get us the win over Bournemouth. You gotta show big goals. And then he leaves us and ends up playing a couple of bit ways. He's gone from bit. He's a fleetwood now, is he? Morghum. Morghum. Morghum. And he's terrible. But don't forget, he did score against Manchester United and Liverpool. He did. So he did score. He came back and scored goals. And he did write his story. It was unbelievable, really. And then people realised he wasn't the best and off he went again. Right, race through these. Not so purple. I'll keep right now. Says, I live in Solial and Birmingham often claims to be Britain's second city. I call bollocks on this, though, because it's only claims. Just because it's only claims is based on geography. I'd say Manchester has a better claim. And as a scouser myself, that's hard to say, but just keeping it real. So Brum or Manchester, he said there's the second city. Which one? Manchester. I've never been to Birmingham in my life, ordered them to watch Everton play. Oh, OK. Yeah. Yeah. I've never been to... What is the score to Birmingham for? No. There's not even three. Even Peaky Blinders is in Liverpool. Yeah. So now it'd be Manchester for me. Dave... You were due to Kate on this one. Yeah, Manchester for me. Yeah. All day long. I mean, I've spent quite a lot of time in Birmingham years ago because my first ex-wife was from there. OK. So, yeah, it's never the second city as far as I'm concerned. Fair play. Georgie Redmond says, do we hate Liverpool more than we love Evan? I think some Ebertronians do. Yeah, I do. Some do, but we don't. I don't think. No, no. No. I mean, except for Robertson. Yeah. Except for Robertson. Any ref can elbow him in the air. Up the liner. The elbow and liner. Brian Farrell says, name a skill you think you've mastered. Dead easy. Airfrying. We wouldn't know, Dave, would we? Last night. I refer to... We still... I mean, the 1870s. Last night I made... I done a lasagne and a steak and kidney pie at the same time in my air fryer. It was unbelievable. We wouldn't know. We don't believe it. We call... We call bollocks on that, don't we, Dave? We call bollocks on that, don't we? We do call bollocks on that one. And the thing is that I think that... Can we just put this out there now, Baz? Come on. And I know that we'll get Bush's vote on this. We will. Is it before the end of the season, we need to have the airfrying display? It's got the... 100%. 100%. You know, and I think... I think it's what people... People want. What people want. It's why people want still here. To be fair. That and obvious. That and... That and... You're right. No, you're right. You both right because I feel... No more I feel bad. And number two, I feel robbed because Andy Bush has made a segment on his radio show, give it the big I am about Tote D Tuesday. And it just... He just stole it off this podcast. But those people will never know. No. Because the... You know, I don't... My Mrs was having the... Oh, did he do this? So I went... Yeah, dudey. It's funny, doc. No, no, no, no. Go back to episode two and listen to us discuss on that idea. I take full responsibility for that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And the final question is from Billy G. Billy G. It says, are the fab going to share... Going to share the details of their meeting with Kevin Thelbab? Or just mention words like context and key. Why do we have to say whatever? I don't know. We can get that kind of windbaggery from the board. So the point is what is the... What's the point of fab if they don't share the information? Do you even know what the fab is? No. None. No idea of any context of Everton and the word fab. It's not... No, no, no. It's not the way they play now. This is Dave's a fan. Yeah. Dave's a fan. He might have his finger on like the world we're in because we're in it. And I think that fully demonstrates Dave Vitti, Joe Public there, and he has no idea what the fab is and that says it all in one way. So the fab is... It was created. It's a shadow board for the Everton board and it's supposed to have meetings with members of Everton's board even though none of them will show up to meetings even though it's a proper thing that Everton's board set up and they're supposed to go through certain decisions together over high-profile things and to share all this... Sorry. The board members keep failing to turn up to it even though it's like a pose to be an important thing. But I think that proves the role. Dave has no idea what it is and thinks that says everything for it personally. I think they should over-design myself but that's on them. I've said my piece and got in lots of trouble about the fab. So there you go. I did say something live that basically meant that basically someone from Everton got in touch with me and went you cannot say things like that. I was like, I just did. Mate, sorry. Let's move on. There you go. Mate, stop. Let's move on. Right. Let's end it there Dave. Me know Dave is very, very busy. He's got paddle boarding today. He has got paddle boarding. Don't I just leave him in the house? Get your stance right. The stance score. Yeah, yeah. Maybe. I don't think he's gone. I think he's got other stuff. There you go. There you go. That's it for this week. Thanks for listening. Give the video a thumbs up. Or give the podcast. Rate it. Five stars. If you listen to it, do that. We love all that. Big thanks to Dave. We'll be back next week hopefully with some bush. See you later. Bye.