 It's Yeah, I'm doing it tomorrow too Are you good if we keep rolling? Hi, I'm tight. Hey drink your water drink your water. Okay. Thank you let's Move it up a little bit. Yeah Oh, man. Are you enjoying yourself? Yeah. Yeah, it's great Loving the whole whole conference. It's condensation, but yeah, what handshake. Yeah, cool. What's your name Chris Chris? My name's tight. It's really nice to meet you This chair sucks For real, this is a super upgrade. I highly recommend it. Okay Got it got it. Are we good? Chris what brought you here today? I've just got more and more interested in politics Since is there a particular policy or an issue that's really motivating to you For one, I think like Medicare for all is a big one, but also foreign policy is huge. It's just the more important one It's hard to say. I mean, I think Medicare for all maybe is more personally and so you could like vote for a candidate that will for Fact do one but not the other Medicare for all or fix a foreign policy Yeah, it would probably be I mean it would be more of the Medicare for all Okay, and maybe that's selfish of me. You know because I love selfishness. It's totally because we all benefit I like benefiting from things. Yeah, so Medicare for all That is basically like we all pay into a program and we can all reduce our Hospital costs health costs. Yeah, yeah, how much we're paying you know per person for You know our healthcare and also kind of Taking away that I think what really what really motivates me to is just being taking away that fear of Oh No, I can't like pay for this medical bill or oh no I got sick should I go to the hospital because it's gonna cost X amount Why is that important to you? I mean, I think there's a couple reasons I think personally, you know, I've had my share of health issues. My mother's had her You know, she's had breast cancer a couple times sure But also just when I look at the country as a whole I think it would you know reducing that level of stress that That not having health care. Yeah, I have a cavity or I have a surgery that I need to yeah, exactly It's a lot of stress Culturally. Yeah, and like it puts a tear system on these guys can go to the doctors. We can't yeah I was like, I just went to the dentist today. So oh you can report the dentist. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I hear that Yeah, that's I lose my job. I lose my access to exactly. Yeah, and that just actually I didn't lose my job but I left my My mom works for the state. Okay, North Carolina sure and I was you know on her state health plan, which is great Yeah, and then I switched over. I'm an independent. I'm a writer Yeah, and I'm an independent you look like a writer. I got my thing here. I was like is this like do you on the No, I'm not trying to brand myself for the writer. Yeah. Okay, cool You don't have me like what kind of writing do you do? So what I what I do right now is like digital marketing, but then in my free time I write I like to write nonfiction and fiction as well I'm digging so I can tell you what I'm digging into if you want to nerd out about this real quick. Yeah, sir fictionalized history So like basically like things that actually happen But told from the perspective as if a guy was actually there and making it sort of dramatic like so property Yeah, I named Dan Jones who's done the entire medieval King history. Yeah. Yeah, he's really good because it's basically Game of Thrones, but real history. Yeah, but told with the same pizzazz and like, oh, this guy's cutting his back This guy you shouldn't have said so he's gonna come back in four chapters and it only does and then you look at history But it's like this actually happened. Yeah I love that. Yeah, the Assassin's Creed games are also cool. Yeah. Yeah, just fictionalized history. Oh, no, I play them Yeah, great great great great great great. Is that your jam or is that not not even close? I know I like reading that sort of stuff But writing that it's not as much what I'm more present-day or going a little bit You know putting a little twist on the present sure more than you know, it could be laziness You know going back and doing all the research required But so why go through the trouble of like on an individual level? Why should I pay? Someone else to good good health care if I have say I have a good job. Yeah, I can afford my own health care I worked hard to get my job. Yeah. Yeah, I should just keep my money to pay for myself Yeah, I think what benefit do I have paying a Family of 17 or some lady you're sounding like one of my conservative friends right now I'm gracefully. I don't think it's over. I think it's just like a pigeonhole version of like yeah But like say I was like I don't want this school bus family Yeah to keep expanding and taking more of my money when I'd rather have better words and stuff like that Yeah, like if they want good jobs where they can pay for health care Just work go to school and and do the same thing I did why not just that that? That's a lot. That's not the same my point of view obviously. Yeah. Yeah. No, I understand. Why not just say hey Yeah, for yourselves free country. I mean I understand the intuition. I mean I was a you know Republican family Went through a brief libertarian phrase. I was 18 Okay voted for Gary Johnson, and then you yeah, then I was like I live up. It was my Close it was my I was you know flirting with liberalism, but I couldn't you know fully turn my back on my Family right now close to socialists, but okay. Okay. Yeah, but anyways that that's whole What's my own is it does not benefit me as far as I can see yeah Yeah, yeah to take money out of my paycheck so that you can I think it actually does though I think if you look at it from a from a cultural and just from a Perspective of the entire country when you have people who can you know Go into poverty because of their medical debts even if you don't think that directly affects you It does because then we have to pay more and I mean unless we're living in a libertarian utopia where we've cut all social spending You know when people are When they can't afford their private insurance sure they are going on the you know Medicare which would be You know increase the cost of the government of course I am advocating for something that would raise the cost of government, but you know poverty as Well, you know produces things like crime that would make you unsafe Benefits me not to be around or generate poverty exactly and another thing is and going off of that as well If you say you own a small business say you're someone who wants to see more customers if people are paying Exorbitant costs for medical debt. They aren't going to be at your store Putting money into the community know about that's that's an interesting angle It's like it's more money that could be liquid in the exact in the environment Exactly if it's not being spent to pay medical debts that are already outrageously higher exactly yeah, and that's that's a new angle I didn't know yeah, like I knew the one the thing you said before like it helps to reduce poverty That would be like my bread and buttery sponsor that but the whole idea of like you would have more money If you weren't spending your medical debts exactly in my store if I'm a mom and pop shot That's I feel like there's a lot of validity to that. I think yeah, I mean I mean that's how I would maybe argue with with conservatives. Yeah, because or people who are more maybe centrist and maybe want like a You know, they're okay with Medicare, but they don't want the whole thing to go private And it's so what's what's the biggest? What's the best argument from the opposition? I'm trying to Let me think about that. I think what's the most credible best argument that you that you know from I think maybe the best argument would be Would be more on the side of hey, this might make things more inefficient. You're not gonna get your health care as quickly I don't think it really I don't think there's a lot of validity to the rest of that argument about like hey You're using Japan's and Sweden's system. They only got 17 million and nine people nine million people respectively. We have 365 million people and already an ingrained infrastructure We can't just do that overnight. We can't do it in a decade. Yeah. Yeah, we're stuck kind of just trying to slowly optimize a system as it is now It's not is it worth the financial investment at this point? Yeah to to radically change something that's never been tested on this scale in the first place I Mean I think Before you ever go into a large-scale system. You generally test things on a smaller scale, right? So If you see it works. Hey, it works in Sweden. We're Rhode Island. It works in Rhode Island. Yeah works in Rhode Island Yeah, works in Canada. Oh my you know my grandparents are from there Even though there are higher waiting lines you have to look at other factors, you know Even if you have a longer time to go see a doctor sure What are the other significant factors there? And I think we see success rates in terms of like long tip Long tip that I can't say the word longevity longevity. Yeah, it's like Yeah, longevity in terms of longevity longevity. There we go. I don't know what you're saying my master's in English and I can't speak In terms of like the Your lifespan is gonna be longer. Yeah, you're you know, you're not gonna have medical debt So there's none of that there. There's a In terms of like how much disease People typically have in these countries is like and maybe I'm getting a maybe I'm going farther. Yeah I'm thinking of an argument that's more of like taking the argument They give me and these again aren't my arguments But trying to push it to the corner to say no, but this is a bigger problem like yeah Yeah, we can do all this Medicare stuff. Yeah, people are smoking. I can play. Yeah, people are still smoking. Oh, yeah, like Shouldn't we shouldn't we take that money investment? And stop people from smoking poison because that's driving up our poverty. That's driving. I mean, I think of expenses Yeah, that's driving up our death rates like Take yeah, we can do both. I think we can do both, but I think when you attack I mean granted, you know something like the example like smoking would be one that is a Proactive position rather than a reactive one in terms of health care, which I actually do agree with you I want there to be proactive health care programs proactive. Yeah, where you're looking at preventing disease before it even happens. Yeah but I do think that by focusing only on those things you're You're losing out on a system that is You know that produces things like stress produces, you know a system where people who have money can get better health care Than those who don't which I think is has some ethical issues there. You're not addressing that You're not addressing the financial, you know aspects of medicine. Yeah, that affects everyone Yeah, so I think if you only focus on that you're missing out on You know on a whole other on a system that is just not It works for some it works for a lot of people, but it's still I Think the people who get left out of the system and the people who get harmed by it You know, I don't think we can just ignore that I think and that's here's my outsider perspective on. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I do We have Elephant in the room. Yeah, sir big money. Yeah, I mean There's an oh bested option. There's an invested group of people like I don't want that rule to happen Oh, yeah, because that would risk that would destroy our bottom line We have shareholders and now destroy our company Everything we work for is gone all of our kids won't be able to afford anything They would go from great coupon off gold dishes to great coupon off plastic. Yeah, what's what's happening? No, what's our legacy here? This is oppression of the upper class, right? But I'm thinking like I mean I feel practically practically not for those people for the employees I feel for everybody to be honest. Yeah, not equally, but I feel for everybody to my politics more of punching up But I still think that we you know, there is a level of compassion that is needed Yeah, so I'm wondering like is the level compassion that I'm extending to you worth Causing the harm that I'm about to cause and that's yeah, is it is it useful harm or needless harm, right? Oh, that's interesting Yeah, I like that concept. Yeah, so I'm thinking like We agree that this needs to be done. Yes practically. We know that there are I know it's gonna be a hard So how what's the road forward? Yeah, I mean You know in the US elections this year. I mean I think you know voting Bernie voting You know if Warren would come out and be a little more a little less You know wishy-washy with Medicare for all I mean something really silly right now I have no idea who's winning the political or who was really in the Democratic. Oh right now I know Bernie's rerunning and Biden is rerunning. Yeah, and so I'd say don't vote Biden If that's true, I'm gonna look at the camera and say if you want Medicare for all do not vote Biden Okay, okay, and then Warren is a lady. Yeah Yeah, okay, okay, and a progressive She's often lumped in with Sanders on the left. Yeah But I think you know, I like Elizabeth Warren. She's my second choice But I think if you want to be sure of fixing this Medicare for all problem Yeah, I mean not not the Medicare for all its problem, but getting it into Policy I think electing someone like Sanders is the main, you know, the most immediate option the most yeah The best option is momentum exactly, but I think we have more momentum to you know It was a Republican who's like everything in my party plus Medicare for all okay, I don't I don't know if I was vote for them. You okay, so there are You're not I'm not a one one policy voter I mean I mean if it was like I can guarantee you will be Medicare for all plus eight more years of a Trump ish like Yeah, I mean I would have to look at their other policy positions, you know I wouldn't I mean I would have to look at them as a whole And compare them against the other Dems running that's good That tells me more about you in general because it sounds like you're not really a pro Bernie You're pro you yeah, and you have a criteria Yeah, that you know lines up well with whatever Bernie saying, but if he stops saying that you yeah, yeah No, I would Bernie. Yeah. Well, I'm oh you're what else do you have because I need to look for your entire Exactly, yeah, and that's what's been really disappointing to me this this election It's been like, you know Tulsi Gabbard recently came out against Medicare for all, you know going no idea. Yeah, so lady Yeah, yeah, lady. She was she was in the progressive. I mean she still is she a politician politician? Yeah, I'm Hawaii Oh, she served in the military. I like Her her phone foreign policy is better than a lot of people She's less interventionist when compared to you know Hillary Clinton, you know someone like that and But she recently, you know went off of Medicare for all sure and that bothers me and I Think what when I see someone who has been for Medicare for all switch over to Something like a public option. Yes that yeah that to me. Yes Bothers me. Yeah as a as a voter. No, yeah, because it signals that You're not voting on you. I mean, you're not advocating your principles Not only that but it strikes me as like, oh big money got another one. Exactly. Yeah, and that's I mean by the way Tulsi is not a Russian No, no, no, no, I'm not saying like Hillary recently said but so the main thing that we do here Yeah is ask what the person believes see if they're reasonable about what they believe you have a claim that you're supporting with evidence You seem reasonable about it. You change your mind if yeah, the criteria was the reality situation change I like it. Oh, I learned from talking to you I appreciate it. Do you have like a weird five-minute talk? Yeah, could you five more minutes on something like sure? Sure, do you have like a I don't have do you have like a weird conspiracy thing? Speaking to a conspiracy guy a while back ago, I was wearing like I don't know I mean those are the fun. I was really big into them in high school. I was a yeah What's the coolest conspiracy you it's cool if you don't believe it I mean, but you have like I was really religious growing up You're our religious anymore. No, no Yeah, I would say I'm an atheist I mean it kind of hurts me to say it because I grew up in a smaller subculture. Oh Seventh-day avanism. Yeah, avant-ism, which is like a subset of Christianity work on Sundays. Yeah Yeah, we don't go to church on Saturdays and We're gonna lie down. Yeah. Yeah, it's a very it's like a Jewish Baptist mix of Religion and I have a lot of respect my whole family is sure sure hurts me to say like you know No, not that but only it's a matter of identity. So what do you mean by when you say atheist? How would you define that? I would say that I just don't see enough evidence for God existing You're very does exist. I would love that you believe in them I would if God I didn't say worship. I said believe If there was enough evidence to believe in a God, would you believe? Yeah, I mean if there was enough evidence. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, I don't know with the evidence right now I think we probably have a not the best God in the world. I mean, I don't like If there is a God, I'm gonna have some questions. I prefer to think of God No, there is one as someone who's an incompetent but kind of like a nice guy I can believe in an incompetent God I can believe in a God that I have questions for but I would believe in a guy worship. No, yeah I don't think I'd worship anything on principle. Yeah, but I would say like yeah If you can convince me if you can show me enough evidence. Yeah, I'm there. I'm there. Yeah, I'm sure I thought of a conspiracy theory Yeah, so I was really into And like a religion class in high school. I I researched like the church of Satan Okay, and like Antoine LeBae like guys like that. Yeah, and you know the whole music Yeah, yeah, I would like them a lot more now when I was sure 17. I was really interested But I was like this is you know devil worship. This is bad But you know just that that fairly standard one, you know with the music playing it backwards you can hear like 666 or in like Hotel, California By the Eagles ever in the aliens or anything like that Aliens, I mean, I think that would be cool But I met him black was part of my childhood. Okay all that stuff Yeah, I was like this is a thing like this is totally a thing I remember when I got the memory eraser as a Burger King's kids toy. I was like I have Yeah, this is real who who says you can't just make one of these things. Yeah, it's just like we can figure this out So like when I so like I'm thinking like we ever found aliens area 51. Yeah, we're I want to I think they would be cool We're banging shopping carts together. Thanks. You know like something happens. Oh by the way internet computer We can land on the moon. It's like where'd you get all this information from we figured it out We just figured it out. I'm like, how'd you figure that now? I'm like it makes sense that you could do it Yeah, yeah, but man I mean that's so much. I read all the anamorph books. I don't know if you remember Okay, I Here is a dangerous place to love that stuff because it is to get off rails really fast. Yeah. Yeah, but cool Can be really good. Yeah, it can be really dangerous. I mean, I think If you're rational and you think it's just kind of fun It can be fine. Yeah, but I think when people really start to like the QAnon stuff really yeah is Disturbing to me with that, you know just from what I've seen of that where you this idea of like a main deep state in some way I can understand but You know, I think a lot of times people like to pin it on this like shadowy group of individuals Systems and exactly in history. The history has created these conditions. That's why when I hear things like the 9-11 Yeah, it's like government did it. It's like, why would you think that? Yeah, because for me It's easier to think government did it. Yeah, then this complicated network of our foreign policy destabilize the Middle East they've done and then yeah Leads to terrorists exactly. Yeah, you know, you know playing a big role in deposing of like the Shah in the yeah, you know in Iran Our Central American stuff. I mean that's way too much to go into now I think we like making patterns and just like immediately attacking it I hope that when we go into like topics like, you know These conspiracies or like healthcare we Try not to make as many stereotypes. Yeah, it's possible. Yeah. Yeah Just always remember let's just try to keep this an open mind of possible Yeah, all benefit from this which would be the bottom line. I'm trying to get better at functionally work towards there Yeah, even if it'll be uncomfortable for some. Yeah, we will generally all benefit Even the people who might get stepped out of it from this, you know, definitely Medicare for all even rich people Yeah, yeah, no, I think I definitely think you will get more money. We'll have more money to spend on you Yeah, it's gonna work out. Yeah, it's triple up economics and I'd say and ask for the people who like especially with like they do it with college But also Medicare for all well, I don't want the government to be paying for this rich, you know a hole at the beginning. Yeah You know thing I think that's just such a childish petty view. Yeah, because it's just like, okay Yeah, maybe it'll help, you know, if we had a subset of a hundred people sure and you know One is rich 99 will benefit. Yeah, let's not not do Medicare for all because one Rich kid. Yeah, gonna benefit from it. That's his child I'm not a fan of that outlier. Yeah, okay, Chris. Cool. I know a lot of stuff. I appreciate it. This is awesome. Yeah, man Thanks. Thanks. 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