 I'm making the veg in this bag. When you objectively look at this, it's really, really bizarre. Yeah. It is private property. I was sort of lost for words. Why? Can we come and talk about it? We used to have milk for five cents, and none of them are dead. But, ah, yeah, human milk isn't murder. Ah. What about cow's milk? We don't drink milk. Do you don't drink milk? No. For what reason? Most people do. What about cheese, chocolate, yogurt? Oh, chocolate and chocolate. Yeah. Order your milk. No. But you know all the dairy cows are slaughtered, yeah? All the dairy cows are slaughtered for beef, yeah? Well, I look at it from the slaughterhouse. Seems like murder to me. Yeah, but I like my steaks. You like your steak? Come on. So he likes the murdered animal bodies. Hello, my friend. How are you? How are you going, bro? What's your name? Are you okay to be filmed for this debate? Yeah. I ain't gonna lie. I drink milk, yeah? You do drink milk, yeah? But it's because of the fact it's, how can I put it? The powers that be don't want anything to be cheaper. Oh, really? So, you know, like your nuts, your cashew nuts, your different almond milk, stuff like that. If you look at a pint of that compared to a pint of cow's milk, there's no comparison. You can see me at my best scruffy at the minute. I've just got out of hospital. I can't afford to go and buy. If it was up to me, if I had unlimited funds, I would be vegan. Oh, really? Yeah. It seems like we've gone off into a bit of a different area here. What I was just trying to find out with people, if they believe that the statement on the sign is true first? Yeah. You believe that the statement is true? To decree. It's like milk is murder. You're taking away your impregnating cows over and over again, taking the cows away from, killing the cows, 9s out of 10. So, in that sense, it is, yeah. So, you know a lot about the industry. How? I try to, yeah. How do you know so much about the industry that many people don't? I try to be clued up. Would you say that animal agriculture is more on the spectrum of evil or good? Evil. Yeah. A goat, sorry. Yeah, you're right. You should be animated. It's fine. Me and you had a little plot of land and we were milking a cow. I don't see a problem with that. Big farm culture, the way they do it, white mulch and paint has got the same colouring in it. You've got to get rid of the blood and the mucus and all that. I guess that's more of a health argument, but from an exploitation, slavery, murder sort of side of it. That's the ethical argument. You know, like if you said about just having a cow and milking it, you don't see a problem with it. But when we see milk as a product, that's where all this demand stems from. Stems from, yeah. Nowadays, going back, I suppose, that's where my argument would be. We needed it, whereas now, I suppose, I don't know. I think, you know how you were talking about the expensive cost of plant milks? It's cheaper. Yeah, it's pretty close, dude. You can pick up some soy milk for a pound a litre, and usually it's about 50p extra, which it's because the plant milks aren't as subsidised as the dairy industry. So they could quite easily balance it out. Taxes are going to subsidise the same products that people are buying, so they think they're cheaper, but all their tax money is actually subsidising it before it reaches there. And it's all, it's loads of stuff I could talk about. So in principle, you believe veganism is the most ethical lifestyle choice? 100 million percent. What right? If I choose to kill you now and eat you, what's saying that's wrong? It would be an injustice, it wouldn't be fair, especially if you had other choices. Like, in a survival situation, you've got a bit more justification. I can understand it with people going, well, animals eat other animals. Animals, I've got animal instincts. They don't have other choices, do they? So it's a case of eat or be eaten. They don't have soy milk, yeah. Usually people would be contesting this, that would be up against me about this, but you seemed pretty much... No, you know what, because they're all ignorant. Let's just talk about the propaganda that the government put out to do with dairy specifically, only because this topic is about dairy, so I want to keep it on topic a bit. So it sounds like the government, they're hitting these propaganda campaigns in the dairy industry, there's lots of money funding, and they tell the public this is humane and green pastures and all that, do you believe that? No, have you ever seen a cow being milked? It is in pain. When they see the calf being taken from it, it isn't... Anyone who says, animal has not got human... What do I say, human emotions? What kind of a thing is a human emotion? An animal has got just as much emotion as a human. I have seen tears when they're pulling the calf away from the cow. It's disgusting, a whole lot of it. So what do you say to those people who say that, you know, the animals don't suffer like we do? So it's okay, it's justified. Let me go get all their wives, chain them up, and milk their wives day in, day out, and let's see how they feel on that. So it's about putting yourself in the victim's position and then looking at it from that perspective? Totally. Things look different from that angle, don't they? I'm sure they wouldn't be happy about that. If we started chaining up women and milking them... Even if it was dogs, what if it was dogs? It's kind of rat milk. You know what I mean? I think because it's a cow, it's only a cow. It's indoctrination, isn't it? We've been taught that cows are food. Especially in Western society, you're taught as a child you get your food from the shops. There's no explanation. No investigation. No, no, no. You seem like a very conscious individual, bro, and I won't take up too much more of your time, and I appreciate... My name's Joey, bro. Joey? Yeah, yeah. Have you got a YouTube channel or something? Yeah, yeah. Very conscious individual. Seemed more conscious than most. Seemed to know a lot about the dairy industry, hey. Which is, like, not really... It's not common, really, is it? What do you think about that? Not true? Yeah, but the dairy industry kills all the cows. So I'm saying it's murder. I don't think it's good for you to drink the milk from another species when we wean when we're a child, don't we? We wean when we're young. So why do we still drink breast milk from another mother? Who does that? Well, do you drink dairy? Dairy products are breast milk from a pregnant cow. For babies. Yeah. It's not necessary for human health. We can have... Explain it if you don't have milk. Soy milk, rice milk, almond milk, any of the other plant milks. But all dairy cows go to the slaughterhouse to be shot and stabbed in the throat and killed and turned into beef. And that's why I'm saying milk is murder. And it's just unnecessary. And if you go down in the supermarket aisle, there's about 20 different plant milks. Yeah. You have? Okay. We tried our best for as long as we could. But here, let me show you... Let me give you this card here. This is about the dairy industry. And this is called Challenge 22. It's a good resource here about buying plant products. This here, if you can get a hold of this film called What the Health, and it teaches you all about the nutrition facts of dairy products and... No, I understand, though. Now, we were just trying our luck, mate, seeing how long we can get away with it for. Do you know the best place to go? Yeah. Outside the library can't move from there. Because the idea of meat is murder and anonymous as well as... Oh, on AV there? Do they have an AV here? There was about 20 of them. And they're all showing slaughterhouse footage and that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. A killer? All right. Yeah, and they couldn't make it. It's tried as they might. They couldn't move them because... Because it's public land? Yeah. All right, we'll go to the library. Telford Library then? Yeah. The best bet is to go straight through... We'll go grab our cart and we'll drive there. He's, like, under pressure here. Thanks. Oh, really? Oh, okay. That's really a good place. What is that place? Melon Park. It's a steakhouse. A big steakhouse. Yeah, but I like steak. Yeah, but the slaughterhouse is horrific. Don't look at that, though. Don't look at that part before a steak. This is the first part. The viability's a fucking wonderful thing. If you don't see it, didn't happen, eh? I used to eat steak man every night. I would. That was the BPC I was watching in the Saturdays. Really? Yeah. I just think it's, like, justified to stab an animal in the neck for a product we'd... You just pay someone to stab him. That's all. It's like a hit man. Me, too. But I don't stab people either. I try to refrain from stabbing everyone. Myself. Thanks, brother. No worries, mate. A few people got a little bit triggered as I was walking past. But, you know, we'll see how we go at the library. Now, why are you debating a point that you don't know anything about? Why do you consume animal products? Do all your cows go to the slaughterhouse? That's a different context.