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That's the letter f x dot com If you want to pump your body and expand your mind There's only one place to go Might pop might pop with your hosts Salda Stefano Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews Hey Justin. Yeah, sing it sing it. It's the motherfucking Qua It's the motherfucking Dang I had to bring that one back from do the olden days. I asked me back to a 97 right there It gets so around there. So what's that song from? It's oh wait is it? Yeah, I love bone I know you've said that before you should know that damn it bone thugs Why didn't anybody listen to him anymore that invoiced a man? You can I could totally see you stop that out of your walk, man I never liked I never like to school a little jantz poor bag at that point all the way sucked up Wasn't it the disc the disc man? You know that came after the walk man You know why I don't like big as fuck You know why I don't like this man, huh cuz that it skipped all the time I'd rather have a Walkman cuz you could you could you could do crazy shit and the music wouldn't sit Oh, this is perfect cuz remember you're talking about the 13 reasons why I think I've actually watched Oh, you finally watched one of those episodes. Oh crazy, huh? Yeah, so they take it all to like tapes and so their whole thing is to like bring it So it's hard for them to listen to they have to go find a tape player and cassette player and then go through this whole thing and Yeah, I don't know man. I don't know what all the hypes about I was really not that much. Oh, well How many episodes did you get into about three? Oh, you went through three. Yeah. Oh, wow Yeah at that felt it was like it's your teeny bopper for me. Well. Yeah, it's I mean if it's about high school Yeah, it's like they reminded me of my law I know how everybody was into like werewolves and vampires and shit and teenagers like this is like the next thing What's oh see? I think it's better than that cuz that would that the whole that thing was all lovey and romantic It's like yeah, what do you guys talk about? What's the next thing? You know, he's saying the 13 reasons why he's talking about that show. Oh that Netflix show Yeah, that I told you and it kind of you're right. It's it is totally high school But let's be honest the secrets out. I listen to or I watch 16 and pregnant. So yeah, I could see you getting into. Yeah, no, it's Watches that you watch catfish what I will say. Yeah, no what I will say is that I I haven't gotten gone back to it I'm on probably Episode 12 10 or 12 and I haven't gone back for the reason why I haven't was as much as I was sucked into it I was tongue Katrina the other day Because I binged listen or watched it, right? Mm-hmm, you know like three four at a time back to back And then about the third time I did that I was like I need a break from all the like depressing like sad shit You know, it's it the whole thing is about a girl who commits suicide So as as gripping as it is as much as everybody else around her. Yeah sucks you in you get like, okay I'm over like this like negative shit. I need to watch something. That's just good Entertainment or action or positive or funny anything but this so I actually haven't watched in a few days because I actually felt myself being like You get sucked down. Yeah speaking of positive. Let me get sucked up speaking of positive and amazing It's how how great was the kettlebell competition this weekend was a really good time. It was incredible. I had some electric. I This was the first time we've ever seen that all of us, right? You guys have never seen a live event. No, huh? The community Very supportive. I haven't been to very many events where I saw people that supportive like yeah first and second place high five in Each other, you know, I thought for sure out the one of the events was very competitive I think it was the men's long cycle very very competitive and what they they use a what did they call it? What is the number they use it is a? Come on math guys number. Yeah the coefficient They use a coefficient to figure out who wins because some guys are heavier than others like the sound of they're using different Different, you know weighted kettlebells or whatever and the coefficient You don't necessarily so you could have done more reps than the next guy Yeah, but because you're heavier because you're using letter, you know kettlebell or whatever It doesn't give you the same score And so it was super close first and second place and I'm like, oh man These guys are gonna maybe is coefficient the term that they yeah, it's called the core. Oh, it's like a handicapping golf kind of yeah and No, man, they were high-fiving each other the the crowd was super Supportive it was a great event. I think well, I mean it was very inclusive kind of a sport You know where like he saw little kids even get involved, you know both genders like it's just like anybody Like old young like it just feels like there's everybody's just like super positive and supportive Which was really cool to see because you don't see that I mean I just remember even Going to a CrossFit event initially and I was like into it and Just like everybody gets into this really ultra competitive mode And they're trying to squash everybody and like you even see like I don't really see any elements of that That that kind of a competitiveness. No, it's interesting They were super supportive and it was a great event took a lot of prep. I was super nervous going into I don't know about you guys Oh, really? Yeah, no because it was our first. I wasn't competing so there wasn't really reason I know for reals, right? It was because it was our first event at our place because Sal didn't want to clean the bathroom There's a lot of there's a lot of prep that goes into it And I was just like man, I wanted to I wanted to make sure we it ran smoothly and You know without a hitch and it did it run real well that big thing to Mike So let me and you know what my favorite part was what that they call it a sport That it's called kettlebell sport. Yeah, cuz it's not just it's not just cat. Yeah, it's just not kettlebell It's not kettlebell the answer to your health And we you know go for the fact they call it kettlebell sport is what I love the most about it because I really accurate I really loved CrossFit when I was first introduced to it not like I loved it because it's something I would want to do on a regular basis, but because I was like damn this is like legit if you know these athletes got to Be badass to do this So I had a lot of respect for somebody who had trained would have to train the body To go through what the CrossFit workouts are like the problem I have with it is it doesn't say it should say CrossFit sport Just like kettlebell sport because it is a sport. It's very cool to watch It's very to see these guys do these ten minute cycles. Dude. That is like saying you get here's what I mean Here's what it basically is you're doing you're doing a kettlebell snatch one-arm snatch For ten minutes straight can't put it down. Yeah, you can switch hands, but you can't put it down a Complete rep is what they count right and some of these guys were using like 30 I think 30 kilo kettlebells right when you notice the difference between like when somebody had just like Insanely awesome mechanics and like their their skill set was just Awesome to watch because it was so fluid how easy they were just putting these numbers. Well, we watched we watched 18 year MLB pro Marlon Bird Oh, he competed get beat by a guy who weighed like about 120 pounds wet, right? You know with the same weight because his mechanics were so freaking awesome, man I mean that you looked at Marlon Bird was massive dude absolutely And yeah, he performed extremely he did he performed extremely well I think did he get second he got second place in the wild card event Yeah, he got second place and he did incredible. I mean he's a badass no doubt He and he's also only been doing the sport for a couple of years They said right so it was he's just really and he was going against somebody who's like a 10-year vet But that just goes to show you like it. I mean the sport isn't an ultimate expression of mobility Endurance and strength all combined like it's it really is and so it's neat to see that and so someone with really good Mechanics it was amazing to see how how much of a gap difference it was for somebody who was just learning You know made a big point though This is this is where you know I see like it's the ultimate expression of this skill that they've acquired over all these reps and sharpening and and Fine-tuning that very specific swing and that style everything, you know that does Put you ahead of everybody else when you master it at that level Yeah, it's um, I mean it's when you're seeing someone do a five-minute set or a ten-minute set and then you get to like the last 30 seconds and they're shaking and their their body wants to break down But they keep going it makes it Just it's it's exhilarating to watch and then you hear people cheering, you know to keep going We had a lot of first-timers compete a couple of our longtime fans Jackie Martinez Competed in her first event, which was great to shout out the Jackie She kicked ass sure she kicked ass and Stephanie over goes. Oh, yeah, yep She was up there and we had to there's two little kids competing They don't look any one of the little boy didn't look like he was any older than like four or five years old He was a little guy and he was doing the kettlebell cycles. I was pretty awesome Where do you find a weight belt? It was the cutest ever see how about the guy pulled that out and actually could almost put that around Rochelle's waist So she could actually get it around her waist and almost get it to the first loop And it was literally like this big, you know I'm saying that's crazy That means I could take my hands and actually touch both fingers all the way around the way So it's crazy crazy, but it was it was a lot of fun made a lot of good friends I'm excited to you know in the future get more involved with the sport I hope we bring some some light to it, you know people get more You know introduced to what it is and what it looks like in the community. Oh so much I mean the whole a lot of potential half the time I was I thought that bottoms up press Enjoying the show the other half I spent like kind of taking notes on things to enhance the the viewership or enhance the experience of the spectator because It's not the most spectator friendly Especially and that's not because the sport isn't awesome. It's because it's so it's so much in its infancy right now That they haven't established like no one's thinking right now They're just thinking about how to make these cool events and compete and the competitors and what that experience is like Now how do you pull the crowd in? Yeah, exactly like they really have a need to understand it at a deeper level quickly So yeah, there needs to be a way to kind of describe what's going on And and really bring that crowd element into the sport Well, I hope that that's something that we actually play a role in I mean now experiencing it I think we've all kind of challenged ourselves to kind of dive deeper into the sport probably go to more events and check it out And then from there find a way to make it more spectator friendly Because you know right away. I saw little things like man. I wish I knew You know what level this person was at what weight that kettlebell is like if I was watching like there's times where you'll see Two people right next to each other and you see the counter right because you see that in front of you And someone's at 78 the other person's at 35 well in your head You just assume the guy who's at 75 is winning But he could potentially be doing half the weight the guy to the right of him is And really it's the other way around and so I think uh showing that to the spectators and getting them So they can see that I think will make it way more friendly to watch, you know I do too. I think it's got a lot of potential. Um, it's when you find a sport or something or some type of a Anything right where you see a fan base with that kind of fervor Um, and you know that that that involvement and fanaticism There's a lot of potential for growth. Um, and you know going into it. I'm like, okay I want to watch and see why people are so Why they're can it's a small community. It's it's a small sport right now But why are the people who do it so damn? Like into it man like everybody's super super into it and having attended the event. Um, I can tell you pretty conclusively now There's a couple factors. Uh, number one. It is a test of Will it is you are watching someone who's for five or ten minutes Really just breaking mental barriers as they continue grinding through this particular movement So that's when you watch it and you see it happening in front of you You just you stand behind that person. So there's that there's also the family feel of the community behind it Where everybody's just so super supportive And I think that has a large play into it because a lot of the people we met will go to these kettlebell gyms And imagine going into a gym and learning how to work out or wanting to work out or Learning the sport and you're in this like super supportive environment Like that's a recipe for success another observation that I made that was pretty cool Is anytime I meet an athlete for a sport that I'm not familiar with I always look at their body To see like what areas are really developed or where I notice, you know The strength or whatever like if you see power lifters or if you see You know a olympic weight lift or whatever there's always they have a kind of look to them, right Kettlebell athletes have the strongest fucking hands I've ever shaken hands with like every one of them You grab their hand and it was like a mitt like just a meaty the girls even like they grab your hands like holy Shit, they've got strong hands and when you watch these people swing a kettlebell for 10 minutes You know why yeah, you get it you go You know why and there was that one dude that I don't remember his name the fucking Dan Does it the no the giant? Oh the big big dude Was it John? I think it's John. Yeah, it is John. Super nice guy massive human The guy who won the bottoms-up press though. Do the bottoms-up damn. Yeah. Yeah, and he's what he was at a 40 kilo kettlebell He is uh Instagram if you want to check a muscle hipster. Yeah muscle hipster is he's not a huge guy. No, he's probably It's good size though. He's not but he's not strong dude. No. No. No. He's built, but he's not massive He's probably how much would you guess he weighed about 200 pounds? Maybe. Oh god. No, bro. He's oh, he's 230. You think so? Oh, yeah, yeah, he's oh, yeah. No, he's he's a big boy. He's not little at all No, I don't think he's little but I don't think he's massive. Oh, yeah. No, he's pretty I don't know what you think he's got some but he's about 225 250 pounds at least yeah, but a 40 pound kettlebell upside down strict press. Yeah, very very hard to do. That's kilo. Excuse me 40 40 kilo Yeah, he did that was almost 90 pounds like like 80 80 something it was almost nine slappy for that Yeah, no, dude. That was it. Yeah, that was 90 like 90 pound bottoms up press. That's ridiculous, dude He won 500 bucks for any as an epic beard. Yeah, so I mean it was fun to watch Makes me even cooler. Yeah, bring it bring on the bird Today's quads being brought to you by chimera coffee It's the only coffee that is infused with all natural Neutropics for a cleaner calmer and more focused buzz without the crash Put the chimera link at mind pump media.com and input the discount code Mind pump a check out for 10% off. It's the motherfucking quad The eagle has landed Our first question is from glenn spt Do you think it's important to let post-workout inflammation take place I love this question. This is a good question. This is good. So inflammation Uh, we we're all told it's super bad. It's like the the the root of all disease stop them inflammation at all costs because Inflammation will give you cancer heart disease You know dementia alzheimer's basically never have inflammation, right? Right. No the part of the muscle growth process You did the inflammatory the the process of inflammation the creation of inflammatory markers Is a very important system in the body. It's a very important signaling system In the body inflammation Let's your body know That it needs to send repair Rebuild and repair chemicals and nutrients to targeted areas. So if I Work out my quads and zero Inflammate the inflammatory process was completely eliminated My body wouldn't have that signal to know To repair and rebuild my quadriceps. So it's it's a very very important part of the entire process in fact There's studies that have shown that when people take really strong anti-inflammatories consistently or constantly when they work out like You know ibuprofen or a leave or any of the other brand name NSAIDs That they actually reduce their the adaptation from the exercise. So they're they don't build muscle as quickly and over time There's evidence to suggest that it increases the risk of further injury And you can see this even with more extreme forms of anti-inflammatory treatment like like cortisone shots You know when you go get a cortisone shot in your knee or whatever the doctor will say Okay, I can only give you so many of these Because it actually can cause degeneration Of of that particular joint because those signals aren't there and then on the flip side Uh, I'll I'll use a very more more specific example of uh, how inflammation can actually help the signaling process or as part of the signaling process arachidonic acid, which is a fatty acid found in red meat In some studies has shown to uh because it is part of the inflammatory process So if you have a lot of arachid arachidonic acid, you'll get more inflammation Well in some cases eating more arachidonic acid makes you build more muscle So uh inflammation is not all bad and trying to stop it with like You know medications and stuff or I see here's I I do want to Talk about where it is important though and where it is okay And where you wouldn't want to uh let it take its course where you would try and Uh bring down the inflammation immediately after a workout Is if you are some sort of an athlete that needs to be performing like for example an NBA player Who's playing four games a week? So basically every other day He's having to run up and down the court his knees get inflamed And so that's the reason why you see them immediately put ice on it because at that point They're not looking for the the the greatest adaptation process to build more muscle They're looking at we need to bring this inflammation at least amount of harm Yes, the least amount of harm and to not hinder his next game that he has to be in within a day, you know, so Uh, that's where there's kind of this exception the rule if you're the average person who is Trying to just recover and build muscle and build and improve your performance You know letting that process happen naturally not trying to take any sort of pills or icing it like crazy You don't that's not uh as advantageous as it would be for like an athlete. Wouldn't you say jesson? Yeah, absolutely. I was thinking that immediately especially from In football, let's say I was doing double days. I remember You said that's when I actually would go into an ice bath and I would do that in between practices because It was just basically I was I was trying to prevent any more um, any more problematic, uh, stress to the to the joints and I'm trying to preserve Uh, you know all my tissue going into then the following day and then the day after that. So it was just a lot of A lot of trauma that I was applying to my body So really it was just like because you don't have a choice you're practicing and you're you're playing in a sport That requires you to do double days or show up and play managing. Yeah for survival for like, you know running at that High octane pace. So uh, yeah in those situations it makes sense. Um, but yeah, like if you're trying to actually Overcome you need you need that stressor. That's that inflammation signal to then be able to Overcome the environment gets stronger. So it is it plays an important role Uh for strength building, you know what it reminds me of So we know that antioxidants for example Uh that eating a diet that's high in antioxidants Can help reduce your risk of getting cancer, right because antioxidants reduce oxidative stress oxidative stress Can cause these change like free radicals can cause changes in your genes, which then can cause problems with you know getting cancer Um We and so people think oh great what I should do then is take high super high doses of antioxidants Especially when I'm a half cancer because that'll help kill cancer cells Well, the opposite is actually true if you take some studies show that taking super high doses of antioxidants actually strengthens cancer Um and uh because again, you're interrupting Certain signals in the body that are necessary. They're there for a reason now if they go if they get out of hand like if inflammation gets out of hand That's when we have a problem But really it's the systemic inflammation that we're looking at which has more to do with things like sleep and Overuse and nutrition, but you know a couple of things that uh dampening the inflammatory response will do if you try and dampen it too much You this is all proven by studies. You'll decrease protein synthesis You can impair mitochondrial adaptation. They've shown this in mice You can impair satellite cell increases. They've also shown this in mice and you can alter glucose metabolism So What you're trying to do and don't forget when you exercise what you're really trying what you're doing You're sending a stress signal to the body And that's why your body builds muscle and adapts and what you're doing by taking medications that stop or prevent or damp in the Inflammatory process is you're actually Uh, it's almost like you're you're you're shooting yourself in the foot Like I want to send this signal, but now I'm trying to stop the signal. It's like make up your mind, right? You want to get the signal out there? So don't try to dampen the signal through some of these these acute measures like taking Uh medications icing, you know, you were just using icing as an example icing has been shown also To reduce the adaptation process, but again Maybe it helps you train harder and longer and maybe that's the goal So then in that case then you probably should use it In the long term is it good for you? No Because in the long term, uh, you'll probably end up with more damage. So I would say as far as inflammation is concerned If you want to optimize Inflammation so that it does what it's supposed to and so that it doesn't, you know run a muck Really look at things like sleep undulate it. Yeah die it Um, don't over train and your inflammation will be more appropriate Quick interruption by our sponsors you guys lots of people have been asking us how they can support the mind pump mafia family Our first one is our chimera coffee that we love you guys go to chimera coffee dot com That's chimera with a k for 10 off. Don't forget mind pump at the checkout We also have our big top beard company dot com for 33 off also mind pump at the checkout check out Also brain fm. 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Let's let's touch that third rail shall we fat shaming dot com You know, I've so there's this is the example of our the pendulum swinging one way then swinging the other way so far You know saying it was just typical So here's the irony in this because I see this all the time I have There's friends of friends that I see will post lots of stuff in there I have a friend and they're very they're they're really overweight. I'll use certain people's example Obviously, I'm not going to put them on blast, but they're very overweight Very unhealthy very nice people But they'll do all these posts about uh accepting themselves. Um, their bodies love their body. I love my body. I love my body And which the message is great the words are great But when I see what they're doing what they're really doing is they're trying to they don't love their body Overcompensating they're overcompensating. They're putting it out there and if they really love their body They would take care of their body. Oh, so there's a thing about uh, that's sinking There's definitely, you know, don't hate yourself because you may be making decisions that are making you Overweight and unhealthy definitely don't hate yourself But be honest with yourself and identify what's going on and if you really love yourself Then what ends up happening is you take care of yourself you nourish yourself. I mean if you had a child That was severely obese and overweight you would still love them But you would feed them in a way that would make them healthy. You wouldn't be like, oh my god. I love my child They're so overweight. Here's some more cupcakes. Here's some more. Please don't move. Please don't go outside I agree everything you're saying and you know, let's take all that into account But let's also remember that you know obesity on on some level is a sickness And it's an expression of what's going on internally in your body That's promoting, you know, this this sort of response that Um, you know now now I physically manifest, you know, the sickness the sickness and We're at a point now where it's like, um, it's so common that I feel like For the most part, you know, all of our clothing options, you know, all of our food options all these things Revolve a little bit more around, you know, let's say I'm feeding into this problem And instead of like identifying it as a problem anymore, it's more of a it's a standard that's become More prevalent. So I mean, it's a hard conversation because yeah, like you said a lot of people do Want to love themselves and we want to love people that love themselves, you know, that's a great characteristic to have Um, but you got to be real got to be real with yourself. Are you benefiting your body? Are you running optimally? Are you doing things that are promoting health internally? Um, so these are questions you should always ask yourself. This was the response to all the fat shaming, right? Like that, I mean we went try to get it I mean you're an asshole if you're going around calling people a bunch of fat asses, you know, whatever Right. So and I think that that became this that bullying mentality and fat shaming And so here was a response like love your body and then you had some celebrities get behind it And they start promoting and talking about it and then like anything else it goes to the extreme And that's what we're seeing now is you're seeing people and I you know, I know this from first hand I've trained hundreds of clients just like this like what sal was explaining is they put this facade on Like they're truly happy about their body that physique, but in reality That's really just a shield to protect them from what's going on emotionally when you really start to dive in with a client like that You find out they got all kinds of real insecurities And they've just learned how to you know use that as a protective shield I'm gonna put it out there and more power to them to feel for feeling comfortable like that But they're still not addressing the root cause because like sal said You know, if you really loved yourself that much you would want to nourish and take care of your body And we're not talking about someone who's carrying a few extra pounds like let's be honest here This isn't yeah, this is it. I'm glad you said that because this is there. There's there Okay, first of all the looking perfect doesn't exist. Okay, most people you're not gonna look perfect People look different. We all come we come in all shapes and sizes Well, we're talking about as health versus unhealthy. Okay, that's that's what I'm talking about and when someone is unhealthy Uh, and they say no, I'm proud of the I'm proud of the way I look. I'm proud of my body Um, well, uh, there it's not I mean first of all, it's not true Or maybe you are falsely proud But you're not truly taking care of yourself and loving yourself and that's okay. There's nothing wrong with that Look, I do things that I'm not, you know, that are not good for me as well. I'm just honest with it I'm not saying to myself, right? Hey, I'm you know, I'm I'm proud of you know This unhealthy thing or this thing that I'm doing that's bad for me or this You know this bad behavior that I have And that's the problem. Here's what I see the fat acceptance movement Go wrong in a big way It becomes an identity and so it's like, hey, you got a flat butt. You're skinny I'm better than you because I'm curvy or because I'm big or whatever or you know, love my body My genetics already determine this for me or you know, big, you know, big people, you know, uh, I need meat on my bones I don't want skinny, you know, skinny, winnie or whatever and they end up shaming Fit people or skinny people. It becomes the opposite Like it's okay to talk shit about someone if they're too skinny now instead of Saying that someone may be too heavy. Now number one, it's not okay to talk about anybody that way You shouldn't shame anybody for any reason. Someone wants to look a certain way. That's on you But I think it's ridiculous to think you're being discriminated against when you go to buy a ticket on an airplane And they tell you gotta buy two two tickets because you don't fit in one chair. That's fucking ridiculous. So I've had reality I've had clients like from the south That um, I've trained that we're really overweight like biggest loser overweight And when they hired me, you know, we you know, we'd be dropping the first, you know, 20 pounds down Still they got a long ways to go, but they've dropped 20 pounds Go home and visit their family And their family Tease and make fun of her because she's not eating more servings on the plate calling her skinny And it's like they project their insecurities like crazy on people that are trying to, you know, better themselves I I had no idea that this would this happened until I started getting clients like this It's very common because once I had it happen once then I would know to ask about it To the rest of them and it was, you know, nine times that a 10, you know, they would confirm that Oh, yeah, no when I because my whole family is big or my whole family is overweight So if I carry Tupperware around or I'm exercising, they're making fun of me And like I think, whoa, how fucking hard it's already hard to get yourself in shape to discipline yourself to do that to make a change for yourself like that Then when you're getting that, I mean, that's a tough one. It's a tough one. I remember years ago. I'll never forget. I went to a dinner So at the time with with my wife at the time we went to one of her company dinners And it's a tech company. And so we're at this this big event and I'm sitting at a table with like I remember it was like eight people and uh One of the ladies there I was talking to everybody everybody was cool and one of the ladies there was Pretty very overweight. She was obese. She was over 300 pounds rotund And uh, the bread comes out, right? So they're passing the bread around So they pass the bread around everybody takes some bread and it comes to me and I just I don't take one and I just pass it over Now first of all, I kind of stick out a little bit going to this dinner because I come from fitness And so in this world people see me and they probably already knew what I did So now here's this fitness trainer. He looks fit and he's not eating the bread Immediately this lady felt judged immediately. I could tell the look on her face like oh, he's not gonna have bread But I didn't say anything. I was like, what are you made a couple comments? I didn't say anything So then something else happened and I didn't have any of another dish or dessert I didn't have dessert and she goes Why didn't you eat the bread or the dessert to me? And so I'm like, oh well actually, you know, uh gluten kind of bothers me that has dairy and that bothers me Also, and so I don't eat those things and I'm trying to be like I don't want I don't want to go on the subject Right and she's like, oh, it's not because of the sugar or the carbs. I said, well, you know, now she's pushing me a little bit Right, so I'm like, yeah, I don't like to eat too much sugar. It does. It's not really good for me So I don't like to eat it and she goes, you know I had a friend who was just like you so right away. I'm all right All right, here we go. I had a friend just like you Super fit. She ran marathon. She worked out all the time She ate perfectly and she died and then she got cancer and she died at the age of 48 years old And she goes, you know, I decided after that happened I'm just gonna love and enjoy my life and do whatever I want because who cares because I could just, you know died any moment and whatever And so I'm you know, and she's trying to make this big point. She got real passionate about it And she goes insinuating that I hate my life Right. So I looked at her and I said, I said, no, you're absolutely right I said, look, I don't know if on the way home today after this dinner I get hit by a car and I die have no idea I said, I don't eat a certain way And I don't move and exercise Because I think it's going to make me live longer. I said now statistically I I probably will live longer if I do those things and if I don't but I don't know what could happen I said, I don't do them to live longer. I do them to live Better. I said when I don't eat those foods and when I exercise the way I do I can move better. I have more stamina. I have higher libido I have better energy throughout the day. I can think better I said life is just more vibrant for me because of those things. So really it's about making my life better Not about making my life longer And of course a look on her face was like, uh, what the fuck do I say? And it's true because you'll hear people in this fat acceptance movement who are on the wrong side of it Or using it wrong and they'll say things like I just want to enjoy my life and love my life And the bottom line is like eating healthy is not enjoying. Well the bottom Yes, and not only that, but you know, if you're 300 and I'm not talking about your run of the mill 1015 pounds Overweight whatever we already talked about that. That's not a big deal. But if you're severely obese and you're you're you're not your life is not as enjoyable as it could be If you were healthy, it's just the bottom line Whatever you enjoy doing you enjoy going to the movies. You like walking at the park You like playing video games all of that is more enjoyable when you're healthy Yeah, you like having sex. You're like, whatever. It's all more enjoyable. You can get up and do things That's right. So really it's about it's about living better and the fat acceptance movement Is rooted in things I think that are good But unfortunately it's been taken in many way in many cases to places that are bad and it's not helping people Yeah, I think it was better. I think it was very pure. I think when it first started it was the You know the counterculture to like the extreme the bodybuilding world, you know where We're judging you and you have to be 2% body fat and And that community and that mindset that's unrealistic for the average person to maintain You know day in and day out for the entire year. That's just not realistic for the average person So I think this whole, you know counter to that was uh, you know the response To all the insecurities that came from that side of the of the finish I also think that now this is the opposite direction completely and we probably need to be somewhere in the middle, right? We need I think there's something to be said about accepting yourself and working through those insecurities of You know having to look a certain way. I know that it's something that I've continued to have to work on Well, it's like you've accepted yourself now better yourself, right? Obviously, that's the first step, you know, and I feel like that's important You know if they can focus on that like I am who I am You know, and I don't need everybody else to dictate that or tell me, you know, what I'm deficient in or You know, like play off of my insecurities. I need to be comfortable in my own skin Okay, great. Once you get there now, let's let's improve on that Well, let's not stop there And I don't know about you guys that I can I can say that I have a hundred percent success rate On people that were obese or this overweight like we're talking about that I got into shape hundred percent of them have all said their life is improved their life is better Yeah, you know, maybe they didn't live longer like Sal was saying but that their day to day life and it's crazy How much it bleeds into Everything else, you know, what you do all day, you know I remember when I went through and I rewatched the the videos that I had made during my transformation and I remember like Not realizing that even the way I spoke was different You could hear a change in my energy Just from the first video that I took of my when I was at, you know, just under 20% body fat And then when you hear me when I got in really good shape and you could just hear you could hear the energy in my voice And it wasn't something I tried to do. I didn't even know I did it till I went back and watched it and went Whoa, I sound depressed right there. It's just a completely different lifestyle I mean, I've lived both like even just coming from Um, you know going in college I was playing sports and I was like at a high level and I was working out constantly to then When I stopped college, I completely shut it off and I'm hanging out with these dudes and we were all Uh, I mean they were they're significantly overweight Like I was like some of my roommates were significantly overweight and just the lifestyle of it is Revolves around. Okay. What what are we going? Where are we going to eat? Because eat was like the utmost important item of the day and then after that once you have that it's like You sit around you watch tv Like you're literally not motivated to do shit and I just could not stand it It's just it ate at me and it was just one of those things. I get it, you know, I get Once you get into the trap of it. It's like it it consumes you and then that thought process, you know affects you Now that all being said, uh, you know, you have to ask because a lot of people get pissed off By this movement a lot of fitness people will say oh the fat acceptance movement. It's fucking stupid. Like you're fat Like get over it man. Get in shape. Like here's the thing you got to ask yourself this question right here Why does it piss you off? Why are you so angry that somebody is making this decision for themselves and is you know accepting Quote unquote accepting their body maybe in a non-healthy way. Maybe they're like what we're talking about where They're pretending like they love themselves or that they love their bodies when in fact they don't but why is it piss you off It shouldn't piss you off. I'll tell you why I think it pisses you off because you still haven't dealt with your own insecurities you've done a good job of Structuring your life so that you can eat at the right time and eat the right macronutrients and you work out like a fanatic But you're suffering from a similar condition to the obese person. The difference is you've You know become addicted to exercise. You're hanging on the string. Yeah, so don't so here's the thing like Leave like if somebody wants to be unhealthy fine, they're not hurting you Don't make fun of them. Don't talk shit up to them. Like let them live their life That's okay, but on the flip side if you're that person Do not don't think you can force other people to accept you Because you can't number one and number two don't believe don't think that you can force businesses and stuff to Accommodate for you because I don't the fact that like for example, I said earlier the airlines You know got sued because they would charge the price for two seats to someone who's really obese And they'd say they're being discriminated against that's just plain bullshit And that also makes my ticket go up because I'm paying for one and now I gotta pay more because they gotta give you a free Chair because they're all of a sudden discriminating because you don't fit in the chair like the fuck out of you Yeah, no, I this feeds right into the whole psychological part too. I mean like you said I this is something we just talked about where You know, this is challenging But when you get these state changes where you get Angry or upset about something where you feel the need to express it like that It's so hard for people to step outside and think why does that make me feel that way? They're so focused on what that person is doing that makes them angry upset that they don't stop to think Why am I why do I care so much? What what is it bothering me so much? And we just talked about this on the episode like there's levels to that to getting to uh, you know, this ultimate self awareness of You know to catch yourself in those moments and it's hard as fuck But I tell you what those are the those are the big growth moments when you catch yourself Feeling so passionate about something that it makes you angry And do you have that willpower to stop in your tracks? Assess why you feel that way and completely take the other person out of the scenario and go What the foot? Why does that create this type of feeling for me and dive deep into that? That'll change your life man. I swear to god if you learn to do that Next question is from hasan m a moon Best way to recover from a large binge and the best way to prevent it from happening again So I think first we need to define What an actual binge is so it's not just eating something you're not supposed to I've heard people say oh I binged on You know I binged yesterday and I like well, would you eat like two cookies? Okay? That's not really a binge. You just had two cookies A binge is a little more out of control. Um, you know rather I go to eat one cookie and end up eating the whole package Yeah, I was gonna say it's more like that. Yeah, that's more of a binge Now a binge we we need to make sure we understand what's happening here before we even look at preventing it a binge is a symptom Eruption, okay It's the reason why a binge occurred in the first place is because you are Uh through tenacity You're blocking a signal or a craving through sheer Will For a long enough period of time that when the when the there's finally a crack That it just explodes which could mean one or two days for somebody. Yeah, it just it just explodes You know, it's like it's like a volcano building pressure And you put a top on that volcano and then it builds up and builds up and builds up and then finally It blows its top you see this with this can happen with food. It can happen with sex You know, we've got people who are abstained from sex and then have these eruptions and go crazy gambling drugs all over the walls It can happen with anything so first off Change the way you look at food and think about food and change the way you talk about it So people who tend to have binge problems tend to look at food as things they can have and things they can't have right I want to be very clear here. There is no food on earth you can't have And there it's all about foods you choose to not have change your vocabulary. So rather than saying I can't have that cookie And believe me it makes a big difference say to yourself I I choose to not have that cookie. I don't want that cookie It makes a big difference because if you if you're in the mindset of can't At some point you're going to have one and now you've already broken that rule and then you go crazy with it So that's the that's the first thing i'd say the second thing is If you really desire something That badly to where the only way you can prevent yourself from having it from having it is if you tell yourself If you can't have it well, then you should have a little bit go have a little bit and tell yourself you can I'm going to have some of this. I choose to have a little bit of this It'll prevent the big binges later on and this is I think one of the reasons why Iif ym found so much success In people who followed the super strict Regimented six meal a day the same thing every day Because they found that if they allowed themselves to have a little bit here in there that they didn't have these These binges. Well, and this is probably if you were to ask any of us The one of the things we do like about the Iif ym is that part of it, right? Is that it is it is teaching people a better relationship than it is to go Super strict all clean food. There's clean foods and bad foods And when you're eating bad foods, you're you know, you're it's like this bad thing and then you end up binging so As far as a response to uh the the bodybuilding old school clean eating diet It is definitely uh that that's really where it ends right. You know, you're right The bodybuilding first clean protocol Like it's a good Like sort of transition from that but like coming from somebody that has issues with cake And already binging and then going into oh, well, I could still incorporate this in a healthy diet Like I see a lot of flaw in that. No, I see a lot of flaw in that I also see a lot of flaw and issues with the cheat days, which is extremely popular On social media, you see people have their sunday cheat day or friday cheat day or cheat meal or whatever That's a structured symptom eruption. Yeah And I and that was another thing that I saw really wrong with the the bodybuilding community when I was a part of it was This is how the coaches actually coached the athletes and I thought man This is this is such a a poor way to teach these people how to eat is to teach them You eat like this all structured and then, you know, if if we're where if we're where we're supposed to be at You look right or your weights where it's supposed to be I'll give you a cheat day and you just are enforcing a really bad relationship like dogs You are you're you're you're training them incorrectly and you're already and you're working Into already a very challenging situation for most trainers that they have to overcome when they get a client is teaching these good relationships with food And now you're doing this whole cheat day and cheat meal and it's become extremely popular Within the fitness community and I hate it now. Let's say you've you've done a bit. Let's say you've binged you've had a binge How do you recover from it? step one Don't judge yourself for it. Right. Okay, because don't go the other extreme right starve and cardio the next day Which is what a lot of well because that leads to recognize what led up to it Right. Well, it leads to another binge like if I if I binge right now and I'm done and now I'm hating myself I'm hating my life Uh, I god, I can't believe I did that. I'm such an idiot. Okay tomorrow. I'm super strict. I'm gonna work out so super hard Again, I'm gonna seal up that volcano again and allow that pressure to build and all it's gonna do is it's gonna promote Another binge. So first thing you do is don't judge yourself for it. It happened I get it. No problem Now moving forward. I'm just gonna be cool with myself. I'm not gonna I'm not angry with myself I'm gonna eat normal. I'm not gonna try and make up for it because trying to make up for it is horrible Doesn't work your body doesn't work that way Just go about your day and if you feel like you really really really crave something And you really want it and you're like, you know what I'm gonna have this whatever food Allow yourself to have that food or if you don't want it Don't tell yourself. You can't have it. Literally say it out loud. I choose to not eat that food I don't want that food. It changes everything. I promise you I choose you What's the guys ever see that book? I you know, I know that there's a lot of different Methods to helping somebody with this What's worked really well for me and the clients that I've helped Is we typically will take I'll assess a diet where I tell them, you know, don't try and impress me Eat how you normally eat and then we look at it together and I look at some of the things that could could be causing the most problems Whether it be inflammation or too much weight or you know, low energy, whatever the case may be I'll look at that and then I'll give them other alternatives in replace of that And then we'll try that one thing out And that's it and then we're gonna we're gonna see how they and then we're going to assess how they feel And then we'll take something else in their diet that is probably more optimal for them than a choice that they may be doing And so I pick one thing at a time And introduce that or take it away from the diet and then together I'm asking, you know and teaching them how to connect the dots with how they feel how they sleep How's their skin? How's their energy? How are their cravings? All these things and addressing it like that versus You're somebody who eats a ton of bad shit and by bad I mean things that are not optimal or super healthy for you And those things are a bulk of your diet and then you go i'm gonna go from this extreme to the other extreme More often than not that leads to benching. So one of the ways to help prevent it is You know slowly taking things out and then assessing how you feel and then learning to connect the dots To how your body feels from that not being in your diet versus Taking it all at once and thinking that oh in order for me to Feel and look this way. I gotta eliminate all that stuff when it's not really like that All right next question is from bearded iron 25 If you could go back to any time in history, where would you go? And who would you see? Oh man I So many so many Times I could think that I would like to go back and meet but I I'll this is an easy one that Would be super fun. I would love to go back to The 1940s and 50s when resistance training with weights started to gain a little it was very cultish still But he gained a little bit of popularity And I would have loved to have worked out and some of those old school gyms with some of those old lifters like You know, uh, john grimmick and some of those old guys and lifted with them and just seen how I could do in the sport of Strength and the impact that could make Back then I think it would have been really really cool To see just some of the information that they would have and their training methodology I think it would have been really cool or even go back to the 70s and train with guys like arnold The camaraderie that they had back then that would have been that would have been super fun. Also Bring my my current knowledge back then to blow anyone's mind. I don't know where Hey guys, I invented something. It's called a super hero back then I mean, I would love to go back and meet somebody like a you know, a marcus rilius Or someone crazy like that and sit down and listen to them just talk to you But then again, I wouldn't want to be a part of that time or that era So when I think Yeah, so I don't I don't know if I want to be around that time Although that's somebody who I think would be amazing to sit down and just listen to them speak But I whole pedophilia thing, you know that community. I've always not very good, right Yeah, not good. I've always had a thing for the the roaring 20s. I think that The 20s and or the 50s I think would be and with the style the way we dress We dress so much sharper and we looked more presentable and it just seemed like classy a classy era in time to be a part of So I would love to go back Just for those silly reasons, you know, it's funny too Is if if you think about it like because when you think of the 50s, that's what you think, right? Like oh sharp clothes. Yeah, it's funny You know what we're thinking is we're thinking of the 50s the way it was depicted In media, of course because that's all we have to go off you go back to the real you go back to the real 50s I'm sure there was obviously more poverty People, you know, you know women weren't treated very well minorities were treated very well Yeah, it was probably a shitty shit, right? Well, I think we all I think we'd all agree that we'd rather go forward in time than backward in time Or stay in time than anything because because I want to be older in the 80s That's what I want to be what do you mean that like I want to go back like as old as I am now until like 1980 When like excess was hitting and all that cool shit was going on, right? You know like the hair metal, you know that shitty cars though Yeah, they did it was slow, but that's why you drive like the the cool old hot rods from 1950s You know soup them up Yeah, dude, I could do that and then you know max headstrom, you know all that kind of shit Michael Jackson I would I would have hit up every Michael Jackson Concert would you really hell yeah, you like Michael Jackson. He's the best I would think I would think though in the roaring 20s when like alcohol is hitting the scene Like we we're seeing that kind of crazy the way it is with with uh medical marijuana, right? And like the frenzy that's happening right now Uh, and just I can't imagine like and you're coming off the depression, right? So imagine like what a like a party scene that must have been like I I can't help but think that had to been pretty wild Everyone's doing coke and exciting exciting time driving lambos and you know, like you know what the 80s? Yeah, man, man Magnum PI I mean everybody in a helicopter You know what I'm saying like like your guy your best friend is a helicopter. He follows you around an island You know like you just do a bunch of coke and hookers I feel like you're talking about Miami Vice the tv show Not like I don't know not what really happened. I feel like that wasn't the 80s Hey, don't don't poo poo on our time in our era just because yours is a little bit further in the future And there's definitely a lot better technology. I don't know. I was like so young. I didn't appreciate it It'd be I didn't be cool to go back and like meet like some of the most brilliant might like Leonardo da Vinci Like that guy would have been fucking awesome, right? He probably was way too crazy at what point though He was like he was like a kid when he was doing some of his greatest work I don't know man. So think about that. Did you have a real conversation with me? He's probably like I got all these thoughts. I like to go back and leave me alone. You know it's mine Be like let me tell let me teach you about quantum physics Don't you think someone like that too from from my experience meaning some really really intelligent brilliant minds Uh, especially someone like that an artist in like one one area. There's just so amazing brilliant He's was probably he was a fucking oh, he's probably a fucking mess everywhere I was he was saying he was putting couldn't hold the conversation. He was brilliant artists a brilliant scientist and philosopher Jeez, what else could the guy do? Yeah, there's gotta be you gotta be in you gotta have something else to give Probably hilarious and you know This guy's got all the chicks. Oh, yeah, you know what it would be lady killer You know, it'd be cool But if I went you know, it'd be even cooler would be go go back in time And meet like your great-grandfather or something like that to me that would be cool for me And I think that we've someone brought this actually someone did bring this up a long time ago And that's I shared my trippy. I looked just like my I shared my father, right? Because I didn't have that relationship. He died when I was seven so to go back and see him You know in his 20s and be able to meet him during that time I think would be for me epic like so And I would way rather do that than meet some famous person who I've read about in a history book or watched on tv You know a movie a documentary about so I think every one of us would probably if you really thought deeply about it There's probably somebody in your family that you would would rather go back and meet and get to hang out with because I think that in itself is is pretty neat to see this it's neat to see and I know you guys have to with kids It's got to be so fascinating to look at them and see yourself in them And then that has to trigger that like god I wonder what my great-grandfather and which one of your you know, great great great great Are you most like and did you have someone in your family tree that was like literally almost Identical to you maybe person maybe not look wise but personality wise You know, it's weird about that is that when you're a kid I don't know if you guys did this but you know when I was a kid I really tried to identify strongly with my my dad because he was my male role model, right? And I'm like god, you know, I want to be so much like my dad And so I thought that a lot of my traits were from my father's side Or at least I wanted them to be right and as I got older and more objective I realized that a lot of my traits are from my mother's side Like the one like to talk and express myself and you know the charisma side That's all my mom's side like my mom's side of the family like my grandfather my uncle's my aunt Like they're all salespeople. They're all communicators. I'm like I'm more like they are Than I am more like my dad side or sometimes you look at a picture and you're like, oh I look so much like my great-grandfather, but he probably was nothing like you besides that Right, you never know, you know what I mean? Yeah, it would be cool to go back in time to see who's you know who you're actually It could be an aunt, you know what I mean? You go back in time like I'm actually a lot like my aunt right and nothing like the guys My aunt in 1930 and how did she act? You know say what was what was going through her head during that time? I think that's cooler than actually going back ourselves or me, you know or meeting somebody who we don't I want a DeLorean Yeah, I want to make this happen I'd go just play the lottery Uh, we still got 30 days of coaching for free. It's still available. What it's still for free. What it's at mind pump media dot com Also, check us out on instagram mind pump media on instagram That's where you can ask us these questions that we can answer on these episodes. 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