 We'll go back to Nick Adam one argument that always comes up from anti gun people is you don't need the gun the police will protect you. But what we see in reality is that for 50 minutes the kids in the classroom in Texas we're calling 911 call after call going through to the police chief and the police chief deciding hey it's nobody shooting anybody regardless of what the kids say on 911 we're not going in until everything is quiet and safe. So please do not protect us. There is this myth that police jobs are dangerous. If you look at the actual danger statistics they're in something like 10th place there are nine or more more dangerous occupations and yet the police have this myth that they are going to protect us then they take the danger on themselves. How do you account for the persistence of this myth even though all the facts are the other way. Well because the job is to protect us so they're not doing the job and you know I mean critical for the police for a long time I think they're badly trained badly motivated. I think you know it goes back to they're not even in good shapes they couldn't protect us even if they tried they're justifiably afraid because the bad guys would beat them up. They don't know how to use their guns or was the police woman who drew the gun instead of a taser and she couldn't tell the difference and shot a guy when she meant to taser him. You know time and time again we you know and I'm sure they're very competent police people out there and I'm sure they are people who would have rushed into that school and they have been occasions when police have done that so I don't want to extrapolate from this one case to all police because I don't think that's true but the reality is the police in this country for a variety of cultural reasons and I don't know if it was different in the past or not that would be an interesting statistic to look up. Police in this country are being passive. I think part of it is the corruption of the drug war which is given the gangs so much money and therefore such powerful weapons that police won't challenge them they'd rather take a bribe than risk their life for what to stop a shipment of cocaine when another shipment is just going to replace it. What's the point when people want the cocaine why should I so I think the drug war has been and I think the war and the mafia during prohibition was the same way. I think it's unbelievably corrupting of police and and so I think I think I think we we have this myth because we believe that that's the way it should be. That's what they're paid for. They actually paid to protect us. They paid to rush into that school and to shoot the bastard not to stop people from doing it which is what they ultimately did. It was worse that it wasn't they did it. They actually stopped people from doing it. So you know we should fight for world in which police are better in which police is a dangerous job is a risky job because their job is to intervene. Their job is to protect. What is it protect and serve? Isn't that on the badge or something serve and protect protect. It's there right there in the definition. So if they're not living up to it we should fire them all. You know in Georgia they wanted to get rid of corruption among police in and judges after the fall of Soviet Union and they were very corrupt. Everything was corrupt. Everything you paid the police off. You paid the judges off. Everything the whole system was corrupt. They wanted to they wanted to get rid of corruption. So they fired every single policeman and every single judge. And they started a slow process of rehiring them and for a while there were no policemen and no judges but it was better in the long run to do that and to get a whole new bunch pay them well create expectations and get a non-corruption today Georgia relatively speaking is not very corrupt relative to how it was and relative to other Eastern European countries. So yeah fire all of them and certainly in this police force they should all be fired and and change the expectation and maybe change the pay and change the way they're treated and change the way we approach this and you know but one of the promises is if every time policemen shoot somebody we assume that they're the bad guys then they're going to be reluctant to shoot somebody. So it's it's very frustrating. And yes if there's no police this is the point about gun control. If there's no police then we live in a state of anarchy and God am I going to be armed if we live in a state of anarchy. I'm buying a couple of shotguns. I'm buying an AR-15. I'm getting a couple of pistols. I'm going to be ready for anything if I cannot count in the police. If I'm convinced of that then I better be as armed as the bad guys are. And by the way the best weapon for self-defense not for school shooting but for self-defense is a shotgun. If you want to protect your home buy a shotgun. It's a scary weapon. Anybody looking down the muzzle of a shotgun will run and you don't have to aim. And this is another thing you learn when you fire guns is your aim is going to be pretty pathetic when you're in a stressful situation. Your aim is pretty good in a firing range maybe. Mine's not that great even in a firing range. In a stressful situation it's going to be terrible. So buy a gun where it doesn't matter how good your aim is. The bad guy is going to die no matter what. That's a shotgun. For school shooting you need a handgun or you need a rifle. You need to be because you don't want to spay the bullets. One of my worries about arming teachers and arming janitors and things like that is just to make sure they're well trained and that they will shoot the bad guy and they won't shoot others. But I don't have a problem with that as a solution. If you run all the background checks possible. If you force them to go through mental health screening. If they go through mental health screening let's say once a year. So that you don't get one of these people who are carrying a gun into school going nuts and using it. But there are ways in which to arm teachers or janitors and have security guards there. It's not a pleasant environment to be in where the school has to have a guard. So I'm not particularly happy about that but we might be in a stage where as Adam said you can't trust the police. You better arm somebody else. You better have somebody else armed at schools that can take care of the bad guys. In Israel for a very long time even though there were terrorist attacks against schools we did not have anybody armed at the schools. And at some point in I think 2000 they started having guards at schools. And nobody likes it. It's not a good thing or pleasant thing. If you can get it, if you can get by without it it's better. Turning a school into a fort is giving up. Giving up on civilization. It's giving up on education. So how about we fix our kids so that they don't do these crazy things? I mean because you saw not just in school, schools is just one element of it, but you saw what happened in Buffalo. I mean these things are happening and look at a gang warfare in Chicago. More people die on any given weekend in Chicago than died in that school because of gang shooting each other. So there's a much bigger problem here of violence in our society. Somebody said about guns the other day, they said a armed society is a less violent society. It doesn't make any sense to me because America is a relatively violent society on the world scale relative to Europe let's say and Europe has a lot less guns than America. So it's something in the culture. It's not about whether you have guns or don't have guns. I mean in England for a very long time, the police didn't have guns. They still most police don't have guns. They've changed their state. They've changed that only because of terrorism, not because of crime, but because there's no gun crime in the UK. So the police don't have guns. So and a lot less homicides per capita. So it's not the relationship between guns and the reasons for violent crime are very complex and it's not violence. Well armed society is not violent or yes, violent correlation breaks down. Terrorism is not exactly crime. Terrorism is politically motivated versus crime, which is other motivated. So terrorism is not crime. Those are two different things, different categories. Even if you include terrorism, by the way, the UK is a less violent society than the US. Thank you for listening or watching the Iran Book Show. If you'd like to support the show, we make it as easy as possible for you to trade with me. You get value from listening. You get value from watching. Show your appreciation. You can do that by going to iranbookshow.com slash support. 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