 Movement is the medicine and that's just what I'll die on that soft tissue feels good though We'll bet through real real one is forced to stay in a chair for eight hours and not allowed to get up right That job doesn't exist or just fix and Both of them we're scam artists. Yeah, I found out as I got older ladies and gentlemen Topic Thunder we are the gossip boys. So I'm like the one only deans to doors cap in a kilo's Jim McD the legend 3sp.co and kill a kill a kill a kai So I'm kind of a hater, so I'm just gonna dish this one off to you guys there's a lot of Topics that people use and you guys might use them to you can call me a hater a lot of mediums one might say or Modalities if you're in the industry that you would say that people use they swear by and I hate them all So we're gonna start at the top I'm gonna give you three, but we can digress the one is stretching Worth your time. Do you do it? Do you hate it? Do you believe in it foam rolling? Worth your time. Do you do it? Do you hate it and chiropractors? Do you love it? Do you hate it? Do you do it and I hate all three? Don't use them won't use them. Don't care. The only chiropractor. I like is Jordan shallow because he's my friend Minimal I'm gonna go minimal stretching Foam rolling is kind of like nah good fuck the phone. It's gonna just to chill but Not that I do it often, but I do kind of enjoy The relaxing and like the the feeling of chiropractic work I don't go and get regular chiropractic work, but I have got it getting cracked. Yeah, I get cracked Like are you going there to fix an issue? I've done I've went there to fix an issue before and Actually like worked out really great. Oh, that's good. Um, it wasn't super serious. Take that Mike But you know that it could be uh, you know, it could just be you had a hangnail Yeah, I don't know. I don't know I've never I've never I've never gone to the chiropractor and And like my issue didn't get worked out. Oh, and honestly, I went there for like some pretty bad shit with my like I've rolled my ankle a hundred times skating and I know the process of recovery, but and In my later, you know third fifth wave of skating as a as a you know, 29 year old man 30 year old man at the time I did it really bad again where I'm talking like, you know softball size. Yeah, same ankle that I always spuck it up and Went to my boy Movement matters. Yeah out. Um, he got you back on the wheels Yeah, so with the 5050 grind I'm not kidding like with it like with the chiropractic work and the you know The the red light stuff the therapy and just like constant like kind of releasing and tweaking It was half the time so recover twice as fast all back up So I don't get hated on by all people I think the the the practice of like the typical chiropractor what they'll learn in the school is all witchcraft But there are good chiropractors that take their schooling as a way to start a business and then they continue their education With other modalities and can find a way to help you out And that's why I did shout out my boy Jordan because he he took our practice to get his leverage into the industry And then he learns a lot of PT stuff a lot of anatomy stuff He's just and that's my boy too. Yeah, it isn't like it's yes He is a chiropractor, but he also like he's like does does it all yeah He didn't say oh your ankle swollen. Let me crack your neck and go home No, no, it wasn't that it wasn't that and I don't know shit about chiropractic That's what it is at all, but like I really don't know anything feed you some alkali water on the way out What do you what I could have gotten done on me wasn't even chiropractic work at all I don't know yeah, but I think a big part of it is like Kind of comes from a Is that not working you gotta go through the tip just the tip ruin right up your nose all right, so I think I think the issue is so like I grew up with two family chiropractors, and I know each one of them I'm sorry to the family. That's dude. That's that's that's that's the truth like I know so many other families do the same shit and Both of them were scam artists. Yeah, I found out as I got older Yeah, my two both of them and then I found out more surrounding people in the area are all scam artists They would charge like hey, we're gonna get you on a six-month plan. Nobody's injured or anything. Yeah, no one's hurt No, it's preventative. Yeah, it's all preventative You're gonna be 61 day Kyle don't you want to help? Yeah, that's literally they would just play you on your emotions Supplements only you can only buy these supplements here though. Yeah, you can't get no and literally like we're charging Some like six to seven grand for like a summer and they're like yeah We'll take care of your whole family man. They're gonna be moving well You're gonna be able to play catch with your kids and all like I watched it happen. I was young I was like 10 12 years old, you know, and I both chiropractors did it and I was like holy shit This guy's saying the exact same thing this guy said five years ago. You're like it was just so weird And I was like, I don't know and then and then I met another guy who is an actual He went to chiropractor school and shit. He said they go to school to teach you how to make more money He was like he was like you go through courses didn't make it so that there's longevity You're like marketing sales. Yeah, they're like you want to get them as long as you can basically and he was like He's like that's when I kind of stepped away from it and he did his own practice Now he has like a little office where you just go in you pay him cash And he just does like PT work on you for an hour And then like if you need adjusting whatever he'll do that and like change my life ever since like knowing that guy I don't know. Yeah, my buddy. Yeah, he's got he has a big practice out here And it's it's a lot more involved than just maybe like the yeah, like you're like liquor store You're your cracker shack right next to fucking Bob's and they're just so many of those too There's yeah, there's a lot of there's what is it's two years of school. I think yeah, I don't even know Doctor do you get an actual doctorate like Like a lot of them like there's like the doctor a job. They call themselves a doctor. Yeah, you're a chiropractor But masses yeah again We're so in the industry and we all don't even agree let alone what's on the surface level it does no research Doesn't know anything, you know, like of course they're gonna fall for it. I will say this I don't think I could have started powerlifting When I was over 40 if I hadn't had some good sessions with an ART Yeah, who was a was a chiropractor. Yeah, and was it the chiropractor was the ART? It was the ART. Yeah, I mean like She'd crack my neck and my back and stuff and then it never thought that was necessary at all It was all the soft tissue feels good though a little bit through range of motion and it's limited There are only certain things that actually works really well for but like my back was seriously jacked up Yeah, and my shoulders were really jacked up and they're still jacked up But like I survived that that those years that I was lifting heavy And I couldn't have started at all. I think in terms of stretching like my wife runs I don't run and She swears by stretching after well, that's what they did they the stretching before is a fucking that's a whole thing That's a whole sham. Yeah, always stretch after anybody takes anything away from this podcast It's stretch after you work out and if you want and foam rolling is one of those things that feels may something feel better For a period of time. I know I'm not sold on anything to do with foam rolling Well, I I'm not saying I do I do what you're saying Yeah, I don't think people need to do it all the time But if something feels tight or whatever you can get in on something and get it to release a little bit and it really Working on the nerves and not really working on the muscles, you know, what comes down to see the science on it That's that's all my easy argument is a 10-minute walk would do the same thing if you got a tight But but you can put you know five minutes, you know, we'll go outside You know, I mean a lot of people do that kind of thing before they go to bed Sure, and and it can be helpful. Yeah, what what feels better and what works is also not the same yeah, no, I mean like The issue with ice we're talking about ice a little bit ice Feels good. Yeah, numb you out. Of course. It doesn't really solve anything right now. Yeah, I You know, I think Also with with the foam rolling and the stretching is that 99% of people are stretching or foam rolling the wrong spot That's not where the problem is coming probably so what if you're spending going there? We're working on where the pain is not where the problem is coming from and is the pain or the problem Going to be solved through that or through a movement pattern that you're faking up every day Or because you're sitting at your desk every day So if you're foam rolling 10 minutes a day to kind of feel better But you're sitting at a desk like an asshole for eight hours a day. Why don't we fix the asshole behavior, right? That's where my head is. Yeah, I think that's the real root That's the real one is forced to stay in a chair for eight hours and not allowed to get up right Yeah, or that job doesn't exist or just fix your posture Yeah, or just fix your posture at the desk or there's ways around it other than like Pseudo placebo yourself on a piece of foam. Yeah, I think they're played devil's advocate. It's like if you Like let's say someone's getting into lifting and they're getting into everything, right? Everyone kind of goes through that like yeah knowledge Hill, whatever Dunning-Crooger. Yeah, Dunning-Crooger effect or whatever I Would much rather than be fucking in here foam rolling and chilling out versus like man, I'm told I can't do this I can't do that like what the hell I'm supposed to do fun anymore for sure You know what I mean? Like they're like what the hell like I like foam rolling Yeah, I'll go do it. It feels kind of good. You know, whatever I'll go lay on in falsely, but shit It's kind of like what Mike makes his point a lot It's like whatever makes you feel good. Yeah to like get and act and get in the gym. Yeah Yeah, last time so I was talking about the mouthpiece if the mouthpiece bind it $20 makes you feel fucking sick getting under the barbell Go buy a mouthpiece. Yeah, I think yeah, I mean if it feels good and like It's not gonna be hurting you necessarily some things will right like if you're stretching before you lift Not only are you gonna be weaker scientific like yeah, that's proven. Like yeah, it's just not as big of a deal Even then though. Yeah, you do have a less power output, but like per scale It's not gonna take a 500 pound squatter to a 400 pounds. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm saying like if it's not gonna hurt Yeah, it's all whatever you just like do like if it feels good If it's in your routine like because I think having the routine is probably beneficial to you long-term sure You know what I mean? Like like if you like to do this hamstring stretch before every time you squat What can do it then? It's a semi healthy habit versus doing nothing. Yeah. Yeah, that's that yeah Yeah versus a game-changer versus it being the best thing on earth, right? Right if you squat every day if movement is the medicine and that's just what I'll die on that You're gonna be better off moving than not moving All right off the McDonald's