 They're sheep in here. They look really young, don't they? You guys come and have a look. Come and have a look. This is what we do. Come and have a look here. So we're just bearing witness. We just see the innocence in the animals' eyes and they obviously don't know what's going to happen to them when they get into there. But this is the last interaction they have with human beings here. So we're just bearing witness. We take some footage of them. And then we show people, this is your food. I had a face. They didn't want to die. And they're getting slaughtered against their will. They don't want to be killed. And these beings are just like, do you have dogs and cats? No. Okay, do you have, you know, a cat for animals? Do you have a dog and cat? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we think that if people see the animals connected with them, they're less likely to want to consume their body parts, you know? Would you agree with that, though? We eat plants. We eat plants. I'm just having, trying to have a conversation with them and trying to stay calm and have a calm, rational conversation with them. I didn't mean for him to get like that, but it's usually when you challenge someone's belief system and he's been doing this since he's 16 years old. So in his mind, this is just the way it is. But I'm trying to open up an alternative in his mind because we have other things to eat and he thinks that this is all we've got to eat. We have to eat animal flesh. But we're living proof that you don't. We've got meat alternatives. We've got dairy alternatives. We've got every alternative you can think of. So this is unnecessary practice. And he is just a product of a society that thinks this is okay. He's not a criminal in my eyes. He's just been conditioned to violence. So he's in a job. He's been pushed into work from a young age that he probably wouldn't have chosen to do that. It's just something society has pushed him into because consumers want to eat animal bodies, so that's why they're in there. Would you use the same approach to every other thing? It would usually be a lot calmer, logical asking questions. Do you think that this is necessary? Do you think we need to do this if we've got alternatives? And it's just getting them to think. What's the usual reaction? Everyone's different. Some people have a defence mechanism. Some people know that it's wrong and they're the ones that get really angry or upset. So how do you feel about what's going on here? Just this demonstration. Do you think it's necessary that animals go into these places? I know that you're in your uniform, but let's just talk about it from a legal perspective. If you've seen someone hurting an animal, zapping them, stabbing them on the side of the road, you would probably intervene for animal cruelty, yeah? Yeah, but it's the same crime. This is behind industry walls and that's out in the street, out in public for you to see. So you would intervene legally if an animal was being abused on the side of the road or in someone's house. But it's completely different context. But it's the same act. Yes, but it's the same from my point of view. Yeah, but if we used an immoral act in a different context, it would still be the same immoral act. So rape could still be rape, no matter where it is, whatever context. It would still be the act that's immoral. The being that's being abused, it's the victim that's being abused. Whether it's in there, out here, you would stop them out here, but in there because it's industry, you don't have a legal right because what they're doing is legal. Yeah? Yeah. Slavery was once legal, yeah? Was it still immoral, even though in the context, in that time, it was legal, wasn't it? You wouldn't go in and stop slave owners from owning black slaves, would you? Because back then it was legal, yeah? But it was still immoral. The context is changed now. Yeah, human slavery is illegal. But it's still immoral no matter what context you put in, you know what I mean? But it's an interesting thing to think of, what's actually legal and what's moral. And how long have you been doing this for? I've been vegan for four years. Four years? Yeah. And have you been out for the four years then? No, just in the last year or so. Someone said something to me and he said, when you eat suffering and death, it becomes you. And he said, when you eat the life-giving plants, that's healthy. It's got the nutrients, vitamins and minerals. But if you eat an animal, the body of an animal who didn't want to die, you're taking on that suffering, that fear and that violence and it manifests as disease in your body. And I didn't understand it until I realized heart disease is the number one killer on earth, more than wars and cancer. Heart disease is killing people. Cholesterol is only found in animal foods. So we're eating these animals and it's killing us. And that's when it really sunk in for me. When you eat suffering and violence and fear, it manifests in your body and that's what changed me. And that's how you see it now? Yeah, I see it. All of us human beings, majority of human beings, don't like to see animals get hurt. We know they're innocent. They're more innocent than, you know, they're as innocent as children basically. They're vulnerable. They don't know what they're doing. They get let into these places. They're scared. Okay. So people can eat their bodies. And if people see these scared animals going into these places, do you think they want to eat their burger after that? If I offer you a vegan burger, it tastes not much different, okay? And a burger with scared animals' bodies in there, which one are people going to choose? Rational people. You know what I mean? Or which one would you choose? That's okay. The aim, the goal is to show that point and put your point across like that. The goal is to create enough awareness so that consumers like yourselves will choose a different option in the supermarket, okay? And if we get enough people like yourselves to wake up and go, okay, I can make a choice in the supermarket where I grab soy milk or the breast milk of a cow who suffered and died because of that milk, because they all get killed. 50% of the beef in this country comes from dairy cows when they're spent. They have the children taken away. They're killed. The children are killed. Boys are killed, okay? They all get killed. Now you can go like this. I'm going to get the dairy milk in the supermarket. Or you can go, I'm going to try almond milk, soy milk or rice milk. There's a whole, there's a whole out-pro that Stainsbury's, there's a whole row of vegan milks. Why do we need the one that was meant for her child that was taken away from her? You know what I mean? So consumer demand. You buy the soy milk, dairy milk goes down. The farmers change industry. They start cultivating crops to make soy beans and rice milk and plant-based alternatives. So we don't want farmers out of a job. We don't want these guys out of a job. We just want to change the job, change the industry. You know what I mean? I don't hear you, but all over the world, isn't it? Yeah. I want to promote peace. That's all. I'm seeing a peaceful world. This here, it's violence. And it's unnecessary violence. And most people are good people. Like, you know, police officers yourself. You've probably got into this job because you want to help people. You know, when you want to do something good, that's righteous. And I respect that. And that's all we're doing here. This is something that we can all, we all have power in. We can't stop people's spouses from being abused by a drunk husband. You can't stop all of that. But you don't contribute to it yourself. You see it, you intervene. Okay? I can't stop all animals being slaughtered. But I don't contribute to them myself. And if I see it, I try my best to intervene in the legal framework of what we can do. And the best way I can do that is to talk to people and say, this is what you're doing. Wake up, you know? Is there anywhere in the world that you can hear the animals out? As well as the kids do? If they end up in a place like this and come out chopped up into pieces, that is ill treatment. But I just mean the conditions leading up to that. That's a welfare issue. We're not about animal welfare. Okay? So training animals kindly before you stab them to death is not moral. It's not humane. Animal welfare is looking after the conditions for the being before they're killed. Yeah, and that's actually not what we're... The end point is what we're... The point that we're... What we're about is looking at animals like they're a product for us. Like they're an object to be used. That's exploitation and that's what we're against. So when we look at animals, any use of an animal, whether it's welfare, standard use, you know? None of these places adhere to even the welfare standards that they're supposed to. But that's not what we're here about. We're here about them being used at all. Yeah. Not so much we have a bit more exploit. You look at a living being like they're a product and we have a problem. Don't we? Like if I started looking at everyone's pet dogs like, ooh, you know, they're here for us to eat. I'm gonna skin them dogs and, you know, eat them for my dinner. You'd be like, wait a second. Dogs feel pain. They suffer. They get excited. They get hungry. They get tired. No different to any of the animals in here. No different. Horse meat found within cow meat is not an issue for me. The issue is that there's any animal being used for their meat. Cow meat, horse meat, it doesn't matter what animal it is, you know? It's just the fact that it's the animal that's the issue. We draw an arbitrary line between species, okay? It's called speciesism where we say dogs, cats, koalas, all these animals can be cared for and looked after and, you know? Cows, chickens, pigs, lambs and fish. Who cares about them? They're food animals. They're to be farmed and put into slaughterhouses so we can eat them. In those animals' eyes, they're all the same. They all want to live. They all feel pain. But we've drawn the line and we've said these are for using, exploiting, wearing and eating. These are for caring for. Who are we to say that? There's no difference in the eyes of those animals. It's the same as racism. You say, oh, you know, black people, you know, we can use them as slaves. They don't have the intellect as us and they will put here for us to use to pick our cotton fields and stuff like that, you know? This is how they used to think about black people. Okay, this is racism. This is how we view animals now. Same shallow discrimination. It's exploded. It's the fastest growing social justice movement on Earth. Okay? It's growing exponentially by the year because you live in a nation of animal lovers. Yeah? We love our animals. Okay? Now, by their own moral code, they have to be consistent by that. And what we're doing is waking people up to say, hey, I believe you're an animal lover but your actions don't reflect your beliefs. That's all it is. People's actions aren't lining up. It's education-based. Okay, so people aren't educated and they've been conditioned by advertising society your parents have passed it on. It's within a nutrition system they're all saying, yeah, you need meat for protein. What is educating people on why these facts are false? Why industry plays a massive part in trying to hypnotise society into thinking that these are food when they're not? We're just showing people, hey, if you're an animal lover, you have to be consistent with that and not eat their bodies because if you're condemning animals to slaughterhouses, that's not loving them. And it's pretty easy because normal logical, rational, compassionate people can wake up fairly easy, just point out a few things and they go, wow, you're right, I am a hypocrite which is my first realisation. I realise I'm a hypocrite. Any thoughts on that? I find it fascinating to hear that obviously four years ago you came here and you came here getting into that trouble. Yeah, I actually used to be... I used to be mixed up with the wrong people I had a pretty hard life and then I changed my life and I wanted to give back and help people and I felt that the most innocent beings and the most persecuted beings are the ones that no one really talks about and they're the animals in here. So they're the ones who need it the most because we can all collectively agree as a society that women deserve rights, black people deserve rights, different races, human beings deserve fundamental rights of freedom, liberty, not to be harmed, used, exploited. We can all agree on that as a society. But who's going to agree that cows deserve the same? Maybe your dog, yeah, you agree that dogs shouldn't be harmed, should be cared for but who's going to agree that a pig does? This is why they need my help the most because we can't even collectively agree that they have moral value and they're sentient just like us. They see through their eyes, they hear with their ears, they get scared, they don't want to die, they want to live, they have families that get separated. Can you imagine having your child taken off of you? This is their life every single day. And I'm not even exaggerating, this is exactly what animal agriculture does. They breed and forcibly they rape animals, breed them into existence, steal their children off them and exploit them for their bones, their body, their flesh and their skin. It's good that you can travel the world, see that? Yeah. Well, it's happening all over the world, but I don't think so. Do you think a partner's passion is really for your purposes? It's down there for you to live on it. I don't think so, please get that. It's a privilege of education, should we recall what the impact you've got Yeah, just trying to reach the kids. Kids love animals, don't they? Well, I'd love to see pigs in a sanctuary and the parents bless them, but they're just misinformed and they're feeding pieces of animals to their children, and their children if they knew, they'd wake up the world. Thanks, guys. We're going to head off. No worries, thank you very much. I'll give you both a little card. It's just got some documentaries on the back. This is my link. If you write that link, you can do a challenge, right? It's 22 days. It's just a vegan challenge and you can do it on Facebook and they mentor you through inboxes. So, you know, you can just give it a go, see if you like it, try some soy milk. I prefer almond or coconut milk or something like that. You know, just have a go. See if you share you like it. Only guys see.