 Hello everyone Hi internet rich straw Filino is here, and I'm assuming Roger Chang will be here soon You will be here precisely when he intends to yes Roger is very much like a rip wizard in that respect He is not so looks great nor late He does or white Yeah Depending on it's dirty over recently fought a Balrog. I Feel like the wizard can only afford the white You know once they move it up the food chain because they got to clean it all the time. Yeah You know the great is the working man. They can't they can't magic away the dirt That's the magic is used very sparingly and expelliarmus Accio mr. Clean magic eraser Bleacher on a It's not latin enough. You have to really Latin it up. Yeah Chloroximus perhaps Blanco londorum That was did you see the fantastic beasts movie film. Yes, I did I Really wanted I'd like I appreciate the glimpses into the American wizarding world But I really wanted I just wanted more of it, you know I mean, I guess they have to string a story along with it But yeah, it's like a is that a one-off or are they doing more of those? No, they're gonna do two more apparently Well, I hope I get some more world-building. I'm a sucker for that. Yeah They I think that I wonder if when they decided to do three if they held back on some of the trimmings Yeah to save it for future movies. I'm very interested because I had an entire theory of That I spent a year of unemployment developing About the like the physics of squibs in that world and what it implied what implied about embodiment with magic It was very interesting to me only Like it. I like it. I went to Universal Studios out here in LA shortly before Fantastic Beasts So I was kind of primed up on Harry Potter And I enjoyed that movie. I'm I don't think it was as good as the main line ones, but it was I enjoyed it I enjoyed the yeah the characters. I think More fun. Oh, do you have a? Title in all my stuff for that for introductions and stuff Good question. I don't what would you like me to refer to you as? content coordinator for Gestalt IT Like that Hold on. I have you in little window with the That looks good. Cool. Did you have a lovely Presidents day? I did I celebrated like I always do going over the accomplishments of Grover Cleveland Mm-hmm celebrating his his reduction to the tariff and Disliking the election of Rutherford B. Hayes how I celebrate. Oh, I always spare a thought for Franklin Pierce best hair ever yeah, and I try to listen to they might be Giants James K. Polk Classic died of chronic diarrhea and then in the post-show for cord killers I sang the president's song naming all the presidents from Washington through Ford And the only reason I stopped at Ford is I learned the song in 1975 I was gonna say did they write that for the centennial bison tenial? No, it was a it was a thing They did in first grade where we would do it. I feel like every morning it can't have been every morning That would have gotten ridiculous, but it was to the tune of Yankee Doodle It would and we would sing the last names of the presidents and I and I still remember it of course I Remember a song about coffee from the second grade What was the song about coffee? It was I will not sing it, but I will Speak the lyric COF FE coffee is not for me It's a drink that people wake up with that it makes you nervous is no myth slave to a coffee cup They can't give coffee up. Wow. It's like anti coffee propaganda. It's like something weird left over from prohibition or something Wow, yeah coffee. It's bad for you Do I that's the opposite of my Experience growing up where Mark Jurgen and I ordered coffee at our first communion dinner as a joke and they brought us Basically milk with a splash of coffee in it, but we thought we felt pretty awesome. Yeah, we thought we were pretty styling. Oh Hello, Roger Sorry, nice of you to join us. No, you can't hear me. No, we can hear you Roger. We can hear you Can you hear us? Yes No, for some reason I was losing a connection, but I Think it's just a loose cable. Yeah, all right Apologies new problem. You have control and we are ready to roll Give you a minute to open your Priming not intended Not avoided though. I'm gonna be honest connoisseur coming and it's like why not you accepted the will of the universe I respect this. Yeah Oh wait a minute, what am I doing? I don't know. What are you doing? All the G's chat room everything got foobard for some reason, but sure Alright, you good Here we go Daily Tech news show is powered by its audience to find out more head to Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Tuesday, February 21st 2017 I'm Tom Merritt joining me today very happy to have alongside rich straffolino who is content coordinator for Gestalt IT But also occasional co-host or host of Daily Tech headlines. How's it going rich? It's going great It's a beautiful cloudy, but warm day here in Cleveland and looking forward to getting into the tech news You are also rich from lovely Cleveland for those who pay attention to the email segment on this show You wear so many hats you write headlines for Daily Tech headlines You occasionally fill in his host and you're the content coordinator for Gestalt that IT How do you do it much love myself? It's it's all motivated by self love excellent well, we're gonna talk about Gartner report about The idea that we may be entering the post app era, which honestly that itself is not that Controversial apps are not new anymore So it makes sense that we would be moving into some other era But what that era is gonna be good Gartner had a couple ideas about and they seem to make sense So rich and I are gonna kick those around but shall we start with some top stories? We shall It's official Verizon and Yahoo are still getting partially hitched You have Verizon announced on Tuesday It has agreed to pay $150 million less to acquire Yahoo's core business that will make the final total approximately 4.48 billion dollars instead of 4.8 Verizon and the parts of Yahoo that will remain after the sale because if you remember Yahoo is only selling most of its business including its name to Verizon There's a holding company that's gonna be left behind with stock in Yahoo Japan and Alibaba And that holding company which will be called Al Taba is going to share any costs of litigation That result from Yahoo's recently revealed data breaches Verizon and Al Taba will split those costs 50-50 Yahoo revealed several large data breaches since the deal with Verizon was first announced in July and rich a lot of people were wondering if Verizon wouldn't just back away entirely. Yeah, that is some keen negotiating there to kind of get that provision in there And really gives them some indemnity, you know down the line if Anything further comes to light, but can can we all agree Al Taba? I Mean you want something that is not gonna be confused with Yahoo because the remaining part will have nothing that we Recognizes Yahoo won't have the website or any of the properties You know and at that point you're just fishing around for something that isn't trademarked already Well, yeah, I feel like they just put in like an engine into a domain register and that was the first result Yeah, it was it's in the A's so it's Yeah, that one's not bad, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what they did because it I mean there's no branding This is a holding company. They don't really care as long as it's easy enough to spell on the documents that they're filing with the SEC Meanwhile, this means Verizon will get Yahoo's huge audience Yahoo still has a large audience. It will still be able to combine Yahoo ad tech with the AOL ad tech it owns Combine content and we're gonna start thinking once again instead of will Verizon still buy them into what is Verizon gonna do with Yahoo? And in terms of a sprawling conglomerate, you know, maybe not of the same scale as Alphabet but I'm interested to see if some other corporations and and big companies will be looking to kind of Kind of bring back the these giant media and you know service conglomerates that maybe have gone out of vogue recently Yeah, Verizon all about ad tech to make the money but to sell those ads you need content and Verizon's gonna have a huge Library of content. I'm very curious if they can revive some of Yahoo's more successful content sections People still go to the Yahoo homepage. They still read Yahoo news There's some very good stuff being done there that just isn't surfaced very well or isn't top of mind anyway And tumblers part of the deal, right? Yeah, it is Tumbler to me is like the great untapped asset of You know of a very specific market that would respond well to advertisers very young market And and seems to still have a lot of goodwill and seems at least to have I mean, I don't hear when I hear about like poisonous communities I don't hear tumbler necessarily invoked. Yeah, so I feel like that's an untapped opportunity still it's aging It needs a little love to stay relevant. It's no live journal though. It's it's Still good RIP by the way Poodlepuncher asked the the hard question who gets to keep the Yahoo Yodel Verizon will get that Yahoo indeed Well messaging app WhatsApp updated its messaging app for Android iOS and Windows with a status feature letting users share pictures Gifts or GIFs and videos as a status which expire after 24 hours. That is very novel You can add emojis text and drawings to WhatsApp originally launched in 2009 as a way to share statuses and pivoted to messaging later So maybe just a return to form or the obvious snapchat clone I mean Facebook is just out there like, you know what on Facebook? We're gonna do snapchat like stuff Oh, and you know what you're doing on Instagram a lot of snapchat like stuff And you know what we should do that with WhatsApp. We're just gonna do some snapchat like stuff How do you like me now snapchat? We're like coming at you from three directions It does make me wonder how much crossover there is between these different, you know face between like Facebook messenger WhatsApp and Instagram if they because if there is a lot of crossover between those I See this as muddying the waters But at least for me personally I've been trying to get people to use WhatsApp because I just wanted to try it out And I literally know like one person and they never use it and so I'm kind of I'm kind of wait for the Everyone uses Instagram, you know, and and even people that think snapchat is snapchat is dumb Amongst my friends have posted a couple of Instagram stories just to try it out. Yeah I think a lot of what the use case is a lot of people may have that reaction if they don't use WhatsApp But what's up has a billion users? I use it for a particular group of people when we were traveling overseas Because we knew we had data, but we weren't sure if text messages were really gonna be reliable so we just use WhatsApp and That worked really well and kind of got us into the habit of talking to each other on WhatsApp Even though now we're back in the US and have each have each other's text message Addresses, right? So if you get pushed into the scenario It does have you start using it and I could see if you're one of those people who uses it regularly And you have a lot of context there Sharing a status update with your friends would be cool because it's not I'm posting this up on Twitter Or even snapchat, which is becoming a more mass, you know, like people are following celebrities What's up at least with this? Implementation at this moment is very much about I'm just posting it to my friends And I do kind of have to wonder though because unlike snapchat You can do the snapchat memories or whatever you call it like your scrapbook or whatever they call it to post things That you've already taken. Yeah, it's it's kind of hard to it's not the easiest thing to use like everything that snapchat ever puts out there if What's that makes this too easy to just put gifts and videos and other word things I have to wonder if it's gonna feel spammy for people trying it out Whereas like the appeal of snapchat is that it's live yet It's not the most professional you didn't take nine takes of it But there's this of the momentness to it and I wonder if what's up will be able to capture that if you're able to Very easily post things you've already done. Yeah, you do have to go into a separate tab Which mitigates against that but also has the problem of well, but what about When I You know want people to see my thing and they don't go into the tab. Do I have to actually message them directly now? Yeah, Qualcomm announced more details about its snapdragon x20 modem that can handle up to you're not gonna get this in practice But up to 1.2 gigabits per second wireless download speeds and 150 megabit per second upload the modem uses carrier Aggregation so it bonds multiple carrier frequency ranges to manage that download speed. It's not Getting it directly and it has to be supported by the carrier So have a couple things that need to happen before you're going to see these modems in play and even then it's not gonna always give you Gigabit, but it's still gonna be faster LTE X20 also supports the 3.5 gigahertz airspace used by CB radio Which could give you some interesting applications in creating your own private LTE network over citizen-band radio Samples are available to device makers now with the first products with the x20 expected in 2018 and by then carriers More carriers, I think Telstra already will support this but more carriers will be supporting it Qualcomm also announced its snapdragon 210 chips which have integrated LTE support will work with Google's Android Things Internet of Things Operating system when Google announced Android things it did not list Qualcomm as a partner But Qualcomm very quickly afterwards said we are going to support it and now they do be interested to see how this impacts someone like Project Phi which already is kind of doing multiple carriers natively like that I'm very interested to see if they could take advantage something Yeah, could you get Google to put a snapdragon x20 modem in a Google device that works with Project Phi and get Get is there some marriage between the two ways of bonding things one one's more of a selection Yeah than a bonding right, uh, but but yeah I would like to see as someone who has a project five phone the ability to do that for sure And that cb radio band do you think that could be used for uh As a supplement for um home Wi-Fi, you know having that run, you know not having you doing like private LTE Just for your house or something like that. I wonder yeah, I think there's probably some more uh more niche Uses for that that will be out there, but it's an interesting thing I was thinking about it in emergency situations, particularly Uh, if you needed to create an ad hoc LTE network out of nowhere Granted not every phone's going to have the x20 modem in it. Uh, but this would be a way It's qualcomm though. So they will get into a ton of devices Yeah, absolutely. And and and if you're operating a team we're like we need to be able to keep in touch with each other Everybody here take these x20 devices devices with the x20 modem then then that would make sense All right. Well harris pole released its 2017 us reputation quotient report say that three times fast The report saw samsung fall from number seven in 2016 to number 49 in 2017 yikes Overall though the company's reputation quotient still fell within the very good criteria Which uh, which may be put to the test as korea's han kyun.com reports Samsung will sell refurbished note sevens with smaller batteries in places like vietnam and india Samsung has about 2.5 million note sevens Which could be sold in new cases with 3,000 to 3 3200 milliamper hour batteries in place of the original hour I'm sorry 3,500 milliwatt hour battery. It's uh, it's interesting to me So the capacity right it was the thermal shielding and the diodes were exposed and and hitting each other Is this is going to give it more room to put in more shielding like the implication That would be my guess is they can use a smaller battery and a different case and just avoid the problem all together and say Okay, we're not we're not going to try to shove this thing in there But we can still use the processors and and the internals Uh, and I I I'm going to guess they changed the name I I'm going to guess this note seven is not marketed under the name note seven They come up with another name so that people don't run across it and go wait a minute That's the one that explodes because Honestly, they're not going to sell a lot of them if they put them out there as note seven Although this Harris poll does show that people have not entirely lost faith in samsung You know, you don't want to be too strict in these numbers because it's very subjective On reputation, but they give you a general sense of it and this says samsung took a hit as you would expect them to But didn't take a fatal hit Well to put in perspective volkswagen who has had their own share of scandals Over the past year or two is like at the very bottom and there are 20 points below where samsung is So and companies like verizon and yahoo actually fall lower in terms of this reputation quotient Looking at it this year Then uh, then samsung which had, you know, very public I mean you literally had people on airplanes warning you do not have this phone on you ever On an airplane and they still they took a big hit but not In the dumps. It's very interesting. Well, that shows how strong the samsung brand was to begin with It shows that even with the flub and the second recall They they never were perceived as Trying to hoodwink you I think some people thought that they were incompetent because of the need for the second recall But they they tried very hard to handle it in transparent fashion And I think the announcement of their findings in january probably Helped a lot of people to say okay, you made a mistake We don't like you as much as we used to because of that But at least you're willing to admit that mistake and try to prevent it in the future Whereas volkswagen is perceived as you guys were just cheating and tried to cover it up. Yeah for years Yeah, it is a slightly different situation The kenya bankers association have launched something called paisa link It's an interbank transfer service meant to compete with those popular mobile Money transfer services like in paisa you hear about in paisa all the time It's a way to just transfer money using your mobile phone without even having to have a bank account Airtel money is another example The new system allows for transfers from one bank account to another so you do need a bank account But you can do it in real time without needing to use a mobile money wallet And when you use a mobile money wallet, there's transfer fees that go along with that So theoretically this could be cheaper than using say empesa Although there's a long way to go to eat into that empesa market. Empesa has 85 percent of the person to person Money transfer market alongside with this international money transfer service transfer Why is has introduced a facebook messenger bot for transfers between europe canada the us and australia So a lot of you already know this but Getting into the mobile money market is something that a lot of companies want to do To take a piece of a growing market, but also to say if you're a bank, we have expertise in this We can't blow this and let somebody like empesa just dominate it forever Well, and this is what you know kind of the the good side of disruption looks like of bringing a service That's incredibly valuable to people. You know, you you stated you still need a bank account So it doesn't you know, it doesn't totally disrupt everything but uh to to bring that to the ability to transfer money easily Wherever you are is is huge for a lot of people So, you know kind of cool to say and transfer wise does things like you can set an alert If you're if you're somebody who travels between these companies a lot And you're want to know when the euro is that it's most favorable having a bot that tells you like hey We know you've got a trip coming up in a month and the euro just hit a really favorable Moment that you set your alert for you might want to change your money now that that can save you a lot of money That's really cool Well in prosimian news scientists have published a paper in the journal biomed central zoology on a system called lemur face ID which can distinguish individual lemurs with 97 accuracy Researchers trained the system with 462 photographs of 80 lemurs in madagascar and 100 not 190 images of other lemur species This would allow tracking of the endangered species without needing to trap and tag the animals Uh pretty cool. I don't have to have weird earrings anymore for your lemurs. I guess Yeah, or or sometimes the in captivity and all of these by the way are in captivity So they're gonna have to do a lot more training to make this work in the wild But in captivity they would look at scars or injuries or patterns on the hair Things that weren't necessarily reliable all the time could change over time And this facial recognition looks for patterns that don't change over time as easily And a really really good example of facial recognition being used not to sell you ads for once not even they're not even selling the lemurs ads Yeah, that just kind of cool. Although 462 photographs of 80 lemurs, I guess that's all the lemurs they had in captivity in madagascar. Yeah, yeah, it just seems like Like five six photos each. I don't know I think this is a test run, right? They're like, okay, we've got these 80 lemurs Let's get a bunch of photographs of them and then a bunch of photographs of not them And see if the the computer can figure out who's who and 97 accuracy on that that amount is very promising For being able to track this in the in the wild and again the yeah the the idea is you can extend it to other Endangered species and just set up, you know, it would be awesome just be able to set up cameras You know to track migrating birds or you know a bunch of other different species and that have to have people Out there and disrupting, you know, they're they're they're a lot, you know, their lives and their their ecosystem So that's pretty cool. Not to mention it's going to be really welcomed on lemurgram and and and wemer and yeah, oh, you know I'm not sure what it says about the lemur the youth lemur of today You know, it's a sad statement about just so obsessed Especially as you were telling me before the show their their scent organs are in their hands They're in their wrist actually and so when they're walking they will actually click their wrist and then it'll like literally shoot out gross Disgusting smelling lemur scents which is horrible when you're trying to take a selfie with a lemur Yeah, uh and also very sharp claws and I believe nocturnal Well, I think so so low-light photography Yes, a beautiful disgusting species folks to get all the tech headlines each day in less than 10 minutes subscribe to daily tech headlines Dot com as well as this show, which you're already subscribed to Let's get into our main story All right, so Gartner Rating the use of apps found that 83 percent of people still use social media apps, right? That's still the dominant app, but It's down two percent Use of video apps down two percent use of maps Down three percent The number two or tied for number two really Uh use of apps is messaging apps that one is up three percent And shopping apps up four percent is number four number five is that up and coming Uh personal assistant category the voice vote your voice personal assistant 35 use it so it's not really dominant yet, but it is number five and it's up five percent from 2015 Now put that against the fact that more people are using fewer apps 33 of the people surveyed use six to ten apps a month and that's on the high end And that's down six point two percent from 2016 what they're finding Is that we just Find a couple apps we like and we use those and that's about it Some of us power users get up to six to ten of those But most of us just use a couple and we live in them and of course The majority of us living in them are social media But the one on the rise getting more people to use them is the messaging app Facebook messenger is 81 Of those apps in the us and uk what's app is 61 percent So facebook owning both of those is doing great in the us in the uk In china We chat is even more dominant with 95 percent of the usage of messaging apps in that country 72 percent of the people surveyed use messaging apps once a day Their preference is to share with close friends rather than share with the wider public And here's where people are saying have we entered a post app era? Gartner has floated this out a couple of times Our messaging apps becoming the new platform we chat for instance Hosts ride hailing services Baking services i'm sorry banking services, but also baking services because they do food ordering as well And virtual personal assistants the vpa's are on the rise as well And siri and google are the most used virtual personal assistants in the us in the uk People using those mostly for weather finding nearby places and news But users are starting to go to those virtual personal assistants instead of apps to get info. So rich Whether it be moving into messaging or leapfrogging messaging to virtual personal assistants Do you feel like we're we're moving past apps that apps are just going to become like a web browser? It's you know something that's there, but we don't really get obsessed about it Well, I think google has a interesting Approach to where apps are going You know, they're trying to do those instant apps where you just click on a link and it kind of Artificially does really quick just like a almost like a single function Instance of an app that gives you some native functionality and it gives you a prettier UI But then you don't have to install anything and it's gone and you you just kind of get in and out And I think that that might be the the bridge maybe over to a post app ecosystem But I think the other thing also comes in is that there's a very A lot of the apps that people enjoy using that messaging apps are kind of taking in our services, right? So like you said ride hailing ordering food you know Even even like picture processing or picture sharing and that kind of stuff those are services and the the job of designing an app and designing a service are Are pretty different and you can be really great at designing a service and be terrible at designing an app and You see a lot of you know in In at kashalti t i write borrow an enterprise focused a blog and so You see a lot of these companies that can build these brilliant Enterprise back ends for services and then even even for a very small user case are developing terrible just horrible UIs like there's this revolution going on where like there's actual usable UIs And it's crazy like people are freaking out because it's like it's like colored. It's amazing. You know, it's not a command line This is not ie6 anymore. Yeah, yeah exactly So it's way easier I think for a lot of these companies designed a really great api that they can just throw on to any Uh it to a given interface whether that's whatsapp or facebook messenger or or even it unmentioned in this gardener report Was apple's messages, which they've just kind of opened up, you know It's in small ways for stickers and and some other some limited functionality But I think there definitely is That I think that conflict between design and and designing like an api or a service or that kind of stuff Might be another part of the genesis that you know, maybe not just people are disappointed with apps But having a consistent ui goes a long way Yeah, this won't make sense to you if you still use text messaging even if you use iMessage because Those apps are lagging behind in functionality and and if you like us are like don't really live in whatsapp Right, but if you live in wechat you live in facebook messenger, you're starting to see The opportunities there of oh, I don't have to remember what app to call for a ride I don't have to remember where my maps app is. I don't have to keep it on a screen I can just be in the app I'm always talking to my friends in and say how do I get to the bakery and it will Say oh which bakery you want click here. We'll navigate for you and you never leave that app That's what we chat's doing. It's what facebook is trying to move towards And it's a little bit what whatsapp is doing by adding this the status update in a very very small way taking that first step Of saying whatsapp could be more than just text messaging to each other So It's got a little ways to go before you see this become a big change But we're at the beginning of this trend and to me virtual personal assistance just carry that through because What I'd rather do is just tell my phone I want this and have it figure out where where to find it I don't even want to have to be in a messaging app and figure out how to do it Yeah, I I think google has an interesting idea with what they're doing. What's their facebook or i'm sorry google assistance app Messaging app that no one yeah for google home It's really being tied to google home, but you use google assistant on the pixel and it's tied into other apps as well Yeah, and I think that's that's interesting I I wonder if Chatbots are kind of the the weird bridge that's going to take us to fully using You know these virtual personal assistance. I still have a lot of issues with them I've been trying to use Siri a lot more I just recently switched over to an iphone and I've been trying to use like the hay siri And I have to say like compared to you know of being on an android phone and it's not as full featured. It's not as It's it's great for really weird specific inquiries like I can't even think like what especially when i'm working in the kitchen and I just want to shout out certain like You know, what's a good substitute for oregano like siri is you're useless for that Whereas google will at least surface something interesting. Um, I I I don't know Exactly if this is the right form if the form if this call and response form that we have I almost feel like it has to be more invasive Uh, where instead of alexa, you know Beaming only beaming home when I'm sorry. I said that word only for aws services calls home Is it almost to be talking constantly for it to have a true utility a seamless utility because that's the problem right now Is that's not seamless you have to wait for the beep and then do the query in that one specific instance And it I almost feel like it has to be more all-encompassing and that's where something like a chat bot where Everything in that one chat interface is going through that bot or theoretically could go through that bot Gives the potential from our utility admittedly in text. So it's you know, it's slower. It's not as it's not as everywhere It needs to be well, and it makes me wonder if i'm writing an api for facebook messenger I'm writing an api that very easily could work as a virtue as a virtual personal assistant, right? I my domino's ordering app Uh for facebook messenger could easily be used by some future facebook virtual personal assistant as well That's something we haven't seen facebook make much progress towards they do have the virtual personal assistant facebook m They've been holding back on it But when facebook finally pushes that forward and says, okay, we figured it out. It's ready That's going to heat up this game and the other thing we're not seeing is amazon move to mobile, right? apple's virtual assistant right now is staying on the phone and hasn't moved in your home amazon's is in your home And hasn't moved into mobile only google is really straddling both lines as well as microsoft's cortana But cortana can't be a default on anything but a windows phone And we know the windows phones market share is vanishing so really It's google is the one that's in the most places. It's the position one to be in front right now But we've got it We got to see what everybody else is going to do before this space heats up We are I feel like we're looking at the beginning of both messaging apps and virtual personal assistants Are going to be almost a concurrent wave of changing how we use these devices Yeah, I think all of them are going to I mean involve You know some people might find this very troubling sending more and more information to a third party You know for processing to get any kind of functionality out of that it is interesting Yeah, the two strategies where google is it's pretty typical of android right be everywhere Even if the utility of it right now is relatively low whereas amazon is with aws is saying They seem very determined to build out partnerships what they seem to be very good at doing and bringing in content bringing in different platforms Key right now you have to go this weird thing where you like enter into an app Within the echo and then you have to know like this specific alchemy of words and word soup to kind of get your Your your thing right but I think the partnerships are hugely valuable so that if they do make a partnership with Uh google or or some other you know, maybe with a with a you know Something like xiaomi or something like that going with a like a chinese manufacturer Who's forking android anyway and isn't going to get google assistant I could see that you know all the sudden boom you have this giant You know this giant ecosystem of support Um, so it's it's kind of a question of if google can be everywhere and then build those partnerships on a diverse array of platforms with Diverse hardware support admittedly it's all going to a cloud back ends. It doesn't really matter Uh, or can amazon spread out while still maintaining this kind of huge leading partnerships Yeah, and making that leap to mobile is proving to be Now, I don't know if it's difficult, but it's something they're they're being they're they're not moving as quickly into Uh, they got huawei to use amazon voice services on some of their phones outside china So I can get that service there Why can't I decide to use it the way I can use cortana on my iphone? I can use it on my android phone. Why can't I do the same with amazon voice services? Why can't I have that amazon echo app on there? I that's one thing I get frustrated with sometimes is If I use the app, I have to enter anything everything in by text. I'm like i'm used to talking to her Why can't I talk to her here instead of having to get up and go over there or you know Choose between getting up and going over to the echo and talking or typing it in with my hands I do have to say it is a huge shame that windows phone isn't a bigger uh platform for a lot of consumers because Cortana actually I feel like on a phone I used a windows phone for about six months and it was The the best thing about the app ecosystem was terrible. I really thought the ui actually was extremely limited But cortana was able to do things Contextually within like hey like remind me to do something when I get home or something like that And it it was super smart about that kind of situational awareness So I'm hoping microsoft can find a way. I mean they're doing their hubs thing Uh, you know what their strategy is for getting into mobile? We'll you know, we'll uh, we'll see Well, thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com Few things few messages from folks to get to before we're out of here today. First of all Congratulations to Nate Langston of text message who just launched his patreon. They are now patreon funded What's happening at text message this week, Nate? Thanks tom or should I now say thanks fellow patreon creator? This week we have looked at why nokia may be bringing back the old 3310 how the uk's mobile networks may have improved eight percent since last summer And since amazon's echo voice assistant has learned some new british words We held a little quiz that I like to call how british actually is amazon's voice assistant That's out right now on text message at tech podcast dot uk Thank you, Nate. I love this idea of of putting amazon echo to a nationalist test It reminds me of the money python bit of uh, do any of these words embarrass you? Yes, yeah, exactly and will amazon echo repeat them anyway Uh, send your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com message of the day comes from jupe Who wrote tech and politics? Hold on don't turn off remember the tamagotchi Well, we now have Comer gotchi dot n l and he's got a link to a youtube video about it We have upcoming elections here in the netherlands in mid-march And they made an app where you have to take care of one of the politicians tamagotchi style Uh, the guy who came up with it is the same one who started the america first netherlands second meme as well It's a fun little app and quite popular in the netherlands during the, uh, current election So hey, even if you don't have a dog in that netherlands hunt, you could take care of one of their politicians That's pretty cool. Although. 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I hope I didn't get too pluggie at the end. Not at all. No, that was that was fine. Totally fine Cool. Let's just look at the titles. What do we got roger? show show Verizon wants a prenup And then we have sam's samsung shields up. Isn't that stealing that from steve gibson kind of yeah Verizon Zoom There's a lot of o's in there Uh rate my lemur dot com What's that again rate my lemur? rate my lemur dot com rate my lemur Battle for bottom of the reputation league and then there's two arrows up two arrows down Scrap and apps Scrapping apps. That's pretty that's pretty sassy. What's an app bankruption not my lemur What is up up down down? Yeah. Oh wait, that's it. Don't you need the a b a isn't that like the cheat code? it's also the name of a popular youtube channel for the uh, uh wrestler in the wwe Whose name I can't think of right now and he's one of my favorite wrestlers and I feel bad Mostly save your woods save your woods lemur or not dot com facebook my lemur lemur let you finish the lemur face Lemur let you finish the lemur face recognition should win the best I saw I noticed that most of the show The chat room was trying to come up with good lemur puns A scrapping apps. I like it's tough Scrapping apps them scrapping apps I say I'm thinking of it as like they're scrappy, but we're but it's really meant to be like we're getting rid of them, right? But I don't think they're going down without a fight. So no they wouldn't not though not the apps. I know Yeah from the streets well, you know scraping apps It's just it sounds more like a battle of definition though Well, yeah, I mean a messaging app is an app but in and of itself, but I was saying this to tom earlier. I kind of see it as that app is kind of It's not mobile native because we had aim and we had irc And you know, there's been messaging apps for forever, but it feels very Native in the way like a browser feels native to desktop style Computing it just kind of fits into that paradigm really well Um, I don't like I don't think ever at will ever see a point where there's no apps No, but I agree, you know I mean, there's just certain things that you write and for the more popular things that you can integrate into an os To make it more seamless. I totally see it but at the same time I mean, there's things like, you know, help me to my guitar app or You know, there's there's a number of things that are task specific that might not be I don't know as Seamless into that it's software. I mean we forget that apps are just you know a weird sort of Implementation of something we've been doing since the 80s Programs used to call them programs Programs user Well, I mean programs predate the 80s too, but I'm thinking of the 80s is sort of the blossoming of like Oh, we can get programs and put them on our computers our double click on this Well, I mean like will it be something like, uh No, I've always wondered why android didn't go with the um What do they call it? Uh, uh, when you when you add something to chrome where the extension What's their term for extensions extensions? I think it is. Yeah Like you just have an extension to to the to the os. Oh, you want to add this function? Displugging this extension Well, that's gonna be really weird when we all live in virtual assistant world And then there's gonna be all the news stories about all the kids that told, you know, google home To activate the angry birds ai program that cost, you know $50 a month or something like that because you you know, there's going to be paid add-ons for these services at some point And it's yeah, I mean, it's going to be the same story as with the app store, right? Like do you need better child protection mechanisms? I'm like, whoops. Sorry. Yeah The wabbit magic said add-ons. I think that's it wabbit wabbit Firefox calls them add-ons. Yeah So I make your reboot are they used to That's kind of cool. I mean I have one that that my antivirus puts in I think I think the I think the the virtual personal assistant Based short circuit the messaging apps dominance because If it gets good enough you can do your messaging with that Right and and whether you're talking to it or typing you can type with cortana. You can type with siri If if it's got just a good interface where you're like tell rich blah blah blah blah blah And then it goes oh, we know rich is on whatsapp But then I say tell eileen like oh, he always talks to eileen on sms And then I don't have to think about where to contact someone Yeah, but you know, I think some people would be a little unnerved with the lack of control Like well, you know, I'm only supposed to contact this person on this particular platform Yeah, but your virtual personal assistant Make sure that you do that right it's you you it may be the first time you say contact roger It's a oh I see roger is listed as a contact in these three apps Which one should I use and then I say always use whatsapp because roger gets really upset if I don't use What's that which is not true, but typical roger. Yeah Well, I typically get upset and then and then it's like okay got that down And then if you ever need to make an exception, you'll you'll say Send a message to roger in sms instead And it should know like oh you mean the text messaging out. Oh, you mean iMessage I mean actually all those all those things will go and it'll just be like back to like channels on a radio Exactly like we'll just build the back end you connect on this port using this protocol and it's it That's what I do. I do also think that sometimes like the lack of app enthusiasm is also that just people are bored with smartphones now Well, they're not new Yeah Oh, no, I'm sorry go ahead. No, I'm sorry Stop going to light make a point. Oh No Never Oh, no, I'm just saying like, you know, I think apps have gone to the point of maturity Where it's kind of like, you know There there's some for some people there, you know, there's certain apps are indispensable to their lives But because it's so prevalent and so ubiquitous They don't really think about it in that way anymore where oh, I need to download the latest and greatest It's like I got all the ones I need and they Carrying me through the day Doing what they need to do Unlike wearables, we figured out what we want to do with smartphones and I think that's also part I mean, you know, like you could argue like the last like big disruption was uber and ride sharing and that kind of stuff And then since then I mean, I'm sure there are a billion different apps that everyone loves and I'm not disparaging those But in terms of like like a like a massive disruption that the smartphone specifically caused I think we've kind of at least right now. We think we figured it out. I'm not saying we have Well, yeah, you know, there's there was a guy, uh, and I wish I could remember who was doing this Used to work for one of the mac blogs Who would go around might have been out of christiansen actually I can't remember for sure But he would just say like what is on what apps are on your home screen? Let's just take a tour of your home screen and you think well, everybody's gonna have the same apps But not that's not true everybody usually has the phone app on their home screen But beyond that some people have email on a second screen and weird stuff like that So it's very telling I think to look at like what one of the things that you decided to have on your first Screen those are the things that you definitely need to have access to And I think those if you look at them, you're not going to see a lot of really new disruptive apps You're going to see apps that you've been using for a long time The apps I have I have you know, it's weird like all the standard social messaging and right um Of the standard social messaging email I have a cc cleaner I have maps of my calendar Cleaner I was gonna main screen Yeah, interesting um You do a lot of cleaning I try to not download as much but since i'm taking more photos I need to start deleting But then I keep all my utilities on like the third screen I keep all my financial stuff on the fourth screen Well, I use the launcher for I have no idea where any of my apps are other than the ones in the bottom row I just always use the launcher for everything. I'm a weirdo. I guess My one friend was making fun of me for it, but I I'm like, why do I I don't want to dedicate muscle memory to this? Because I only need to remember this one thing and then just type ma and it's always gonna be maps Yeah, I use search quite a bit to launch apps if they're not on my home screen My home screen is calendar messages camera lightbulbs instagram audible podcasts nest twitter two running apps for when I run Uh kindle trippett feedly ways snapchat authenticator uh amazon voice services app slack music uh spanish uh a spanish learning language app the uh air a tv a app from spanish television and sidereel And then down at my dock is settings phone browser and email. That's what I forgot I don't know. I have feedly right here I don't know Come back come back. I got but basically I end up putting whatever apps. I know I use every day I put them up on that main screen and then there's a bunch of apps. I use a lot on the second screen And sometimes I go through and I'm like, you know what I'm not using this and every day anymore I'm gonna put something else in there. It's very yeah, but you know have like four home screens Yeah, that's true The problem is now it's just basically the apps screen because you know, he's transferred them all over I tell you I use these widgets all the time says no one I used to use widgets, but the only widgets I've I ever keep using Or is weather I use the trippett widget Because it will make sure I know when my next trip is because it's right there on my tablet every morning That's the only widget I I keep up I tell you the the echo was ruined me for weather apps because I'm just like running around like I'm in the starship enterprise Just demanding to know the weather as I know my coffee. Come shoot her. Yeah That could wake up someone's a like a thing. Don't Say that word now. You're right. You're right. Did you change yours? No That does not pass the spousal approval factor. No, oh, that's too bad Are we going with scrapping apps or we are we are we have gone with scrapping apps? Actually, I just posted the show So, oh perfect. Sorry about that. Uh, yeah Scrapping apps scrappy do apps. There's They're getting scrappy. Uh, thanks everybody for watching. It was an excellent time hanging out with you. Thanks again rich Uh, and we will talk to you tomorrow with john wolpert and scott johnson. Yes. Yes Yes