 Small steps would include starting with my cooperative education from Purdue University which opened the door to my career at NASA. Second small step for me would be serendipitously kind of right place, right time being available to lead the failure analysis team for the Columbia accident investigation at NASA. That opened me up to a whole new view of leadership within the agency and being able to apply everything I'd learned up to that point. Third small step would be the time I spent at the NASA Engineering Safety Center where I really developed a cross agency network that enabled the giant leap. And the giant leap for me was to become the chief engineer for the Orion program leading our agency and the nation back to the moon. I am Julie Kramer White. I am an aeronautical-astronautical engineer graduating in 1990 from Purdue University. I am a Purdue engineer.