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Kiefer Sutherland / Jack Bauer lays out his views on torture

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Please support the Gottfried-Duane Anti-Torture Bill. Click "show more" below. http://whenhealersharm.org/pass-ny-an...
This video is meant to do two things: delegitimize 24-based arguments for torture (directly), and (more sneakily) draw attention to a bill that, if passed, would be a serious milestone in the fight against torture. The plug for the bill is below, followed by an explanation of the video.
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Please support the Gottfried-Duane Anti-Torture Bill to hold New York State doctors and psychologists accountable when they participate in torture. The bill is a model for what will eventually be a state-by-state nationwide campaign. http://whenhealersharm.org/pass-ny-an...
This Gottfried-Duane bill establishes that participation in torture is professional misconduct for licensed doctors and psychologists.
The Gottfried-Duane bill and the broader movement behind it arises first from the rather obvious moral imperative that healers, of all people, should not be interrogating people--let alone torturing them.
The Gottfried-Duane bill also has important strategic use in the larger battle against torture in general. Any bill that effectively removes doctors and psychologists from torture scenes makes the whole apparatus of torture much more difficult to function. Torture regimes depend on doctors and psychologists for torture-related experimentation, design, implementation, monitoring, resuscitation and legitimization. Without the participation of doctors and psychologists, the practice of torture loses its veneer of professionalism, and it becomes more difficult to conceal the inhuman brutality that is the fundamental operating principle of torture.
Please see the following link to read details about the Gottfried-Duane bill and to sign a petition of support: http://whenhealersharm.org/pass-ny-an....
For more background on why such a bill is urgently needed, please watch any of the following:
Roy Eidelson's "No Place to Hide" (10 mins): youtube.com/watch?v=o84RE-9023U
Martha Davis' Doctors of the Dark Side (trailer here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HEafM...).

Martha Davis' "Interrogation Psychologists" (46 mins): focusreframed.com/?p=99.
Adam Curtis' "You Have Used Me As a Fish Long Enough" (1 hour): http://video.google.com/videoplay?doc...
Alfred McCoy's "A Question of Torture" (1 hour 20 mins): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy_jjw....
Naomi Klein's "The Shock Doctrine" (79 mins): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHrEH5....
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[Description of video "Kiefer Sutherland / Jack Bauer lays out his views on torture"]
Kiefer Sutherland, star and executive producer of 24, has spent the last decade playing Jack Bauer, a character who has become the embodiment of the infamous "ticking time bomb" argument for torture. Yet being the icon of this argument does not seem to have convinced Sutherland himself that torture is sometimes morally justified. In fact Sutherland has publicly expressed his opposition to torture on a number of occasions.

In this video, Sutherland's comments illustrate the difference between real-life torture and torture on what he admits is a "fantastical" TV show.

Real life torture, of course, is a human rights-trampling atrocity and war crime that does not procure reliable information, but DOES extract forced/false confessions.

As for the torture on 24, Sutherland repeats that it is just "a dramatic device," a way of conveying that the characters are desperate and feel a strong sense of urgency about what they're doing. Torture on 24 is not meant to represent Kiefer's view of what is right and wrong.

The clips in this video are taken from Charlie Rose interviews with Sutherland from January 12, 2007 and November 20, 2008.

In the interview on January 12, 2007, Sutherland made clear statements of his opposition to torture, specifically that, "...it is widely known that you can torture someone and they'll basically tell you exactly what you want to hear, whether it's true or not, if you put someone in enough pain. Torture is not a way of procuring information. The way of procuring information is in fact quite the opposite, and unfortunately that takes a lot of time." In another interview on November 20, 2008, Rose asked Sutherland, "You'd shut down Guantanamo tomorrow, would you not?" Sutherland's reply, "Me personally? Absolutely. And unless you can charge those detainees, I'd let them go too. The Constitution makes that really clear."
http://whenhealersharm.org/pass-ny-an...

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