 from china to louisiana should we blame the pursuit of clout for these recent tragedies and how do you not let social media ruin society yeah i mean this is going really viral right now it's a hot topic two terrible incidents one was in the bahamas involving an 18-year-old named cameron robbins who was dared to jump into shark infested waters at night and uh you know many people believe that he would he passed away was possibly eaten by sharks and this is all caught on video by the way there's another video from china of a live streamer called brother 3000 andrew he lost the challenge with other live streamers he had to drink three bowls of bijou which is uh like a very strong chinese liquor and he was found passed away the next day as well and this has a lot of people asking is social media ruining society is clout ruining society or is it more just human nature and social media is not to blame yeah well we're gonna get into it guys please hit that like button check out other episodes of hot pot boys as we delve into the comments section and give our own takeaways but i guess a main question that i have david is it is it as easy as saying social media and the pursuit of clout and all these platforms need to be regulated somehow just as people say hey guns don't kill people people kill people or it's not cars that kill people it's people in cars that kill people and it's not drugs themselves that kill people it's people overdoing drugs that kill people yeah i mean i definitely think that there's an argument for regulation i do think in america it's difficult because there's such a strong ideal of freedom of speech um i think it's different and even canada has different laws the uk australia has different laws regarding the usage of social media than we have in america so i think that i don't know it can you regulate industries specifically and compartmentalize it or is it like overarching like freedom is freedom and i guess anybody out there who feels like that social media should be regulated how do we do it do we just monitor demonetize certain types of content things like that uh to discourage people from making it but anyways let's get into the comment section for the uh tragic uh uh cameron robbins story somebody said mixing alcohol with kids on a cruise ship is just a bad idea in general however this was going on before social media and it will go on forever yeah so basically people have been doing or i guess boats have a really high accident rate in general a lot of people die on boats a lot of people die in the water happens somebody um at my middle school the summer of going into high school and or they passed away in our local lake but there was just no social media back then so some people are saying well it could or could not have happened with or without social media right guys i mean i just feel like because everything's being caught on video it seems like it happens more often which i think certain things definitely do happen more often nowadays but i'm not sure uh about this i mean because people are always doing stupid things people have uh overdosed on alcohol in in hazing uh situations right like even back to the 1940s 50s 60s like way before the internet even existed i would say this though do you think the people in the video that are actually like cheering him on and being like okay bye bye Cameron like trying to sound cool on video first of all i'm sure this kid feels horrible right now knowing what happened but i'm like he's trying to still sound cool for the clout on the video while his friend's like pretty much about to die yeah and i i don't know if everybody knew what was happening at the time so i'm not saying that obviously anybody wanted this kid to get sucked up by the boat or killed by sharks obviously i don't think anybody was wishing that on him but i don't think anybody had an idea what was going on everybody's just in a frenzy being drunk first of all they're underage and shouldn't be drinking and they're out in the Bahamas you're not supposed to jump off a boat you're not supposed to throw anything off a boat you're not even supposed to oftentimes be running around on a boat you know what i mean so there's just probably so many things that are going wrong somebody said we definitely all did some dumb ish as drunken men when we were growing up everybody who's 18 years old and filled with testosterone feels like they are immortal but i do think social media plays into that yeah i mean i have done some stupid things that didn't turn out as bad as it could have right and this was before social media so i understand that it happens but i guess the issue is like and you know what sucks for for this situation is that i'm sure he had jumped off a number of boats in his life this is not the first time he's been around a boat it's probably not the first time he's drank on a boat it's probably not the first time he's jumped off a boat but this was like the worst possible situation and the amount of crowd and cameras out just added to it like maybe maybe if the cameras aren't there and everybody's cheering him up he doesn't jump off this boat at night yeah the sharks are very active yeah i guess uh the prefrontal cortex of the brain andrew is not developed until the mid 20s so when people do social media that are below their mid 20s they are just more likely to just do some super erratic essentially to outside people viewed as very stupid behaviors yeah somebody said uh my son was trying to impress a girl at homecoming and he ate a metal dime he didn't tell me and a few days later we had to get emergency surgery to save his life because the metal inside of his body was just causing a lot of problems all right first of all man why are you trying to impress a girl by eating a coin that is i don't even know what like hey really i bet i bet you can't swallow this dime and if you do i'm going to think you're really cute like that word i don't know if she said that i you know i just think sometimes socially deviant behavior from the norms is just viewed as cool but obviously eating a dime that's just i don't make any sense somebody said uh how come the comments on the camera robin story are split into two camps where um some people are just making fun of him and other people feel so sad this is another outcome of social media where rather than just analyzing the situation some people are just pointing and almost like seem glad in their comments and other people are sad right i mean i think a lot of people on the in on the internet want to see stupid people suffer and people are like yeah he did something stupid i don't care that he's dead you know and i think that's too harsh i think that that i don't think that that person leaving that comment obviously has like a lot of maybe like happiness in their life but i don't think like yeah i'm not gonna mourn this kid because i don't know him and he would it was something silly to do you know but i guess i'm just trying to see what we can all learn from it for sure for sure it's terrible thing i mean at the end of the day somebody said are his friends going to be liable for his death that dared him this kind of goes back to your point about regulation like if you encourage somebody to do something stupid and they end up dying as a result of it do you bear any responsibility for it legally or in the criminal court system i think this case is a little different than like being pushed and forced to over drink alcohol you know what i mean by like outside forces like there was there was there's been a fraternity right that got everybody got charged for um partial murder because one of the rush people rushing overdose on alcohol and then like they didn't take them to the hospital soon enough right so in that case i think that there's a lot more responsibility to go around i think it's tough with this because unless he got pushed off and like these guys like picked him up and was like as a joke threw him off the boat those guys would probably get charged for it but i don't know what's gonna happen legally but i definitely think this brings up some questions especially as we move into this such a clout driven era and sometimes the pursuit of this cloud or this attention it goes down you saying they should somebody gotta be responsible should the friends be penalized should everybody on that boat be penalized somehow like should they get some type of mark on their record for being part of this even though they are not responsible for it i mean it's highly unlikely within the current system i'm just asking the questions moving on andre to the story from china san qian ge or brother 3000 he was a known live streamer andre i think he lost some sort of challenge to other live streamers he drank on camera three gigantic bowls of bio you know bio anywhere from really what 50 to 60 percent it's super strong bio is is a it's a no joke alcohol i mean that stuff it just feels like it burns right so of course i'm not saying that he shouldn't be drinking that much alcohol either but anyways but if there was beer he might not have passed away yeah and i think it's crazy because there's a video of it because he was live streaming himself obviously doing the punishment from losing the challenge other people were bringing up this referenced a case in 2007 andrew where this woman named jennifer strange was trying to win a wee console from an american radio station and died from water intoxication because she kept drinking gallons and gallons of water so this has even happened in america somebody said um in the chinese social media basically this guy had failed at a lot of different businesses and being an influencer was the only thing he was financially successful at and good enough at where he could support his father and uh mother right so i guess what what what do you say to this because that's why he basically because people were like why is this guy so committed to doing this and it's like because this is he found like he felt like he found his calling right right right and i think the tough thing is is like when you are a no talented like you have zero talent and you find out that you can garner attention then you just end up doing something that ultimately can hurt you but it's almost like you don't want to stop people from making a living right and supporting their family if that is how they're supporting their family so i don't know it's like a catch 22 i don't know what you do in this situation right yeah i mean it's really interesting i mean this is like another like mechanical thing but in china andrew they're saying the problems are arising a lot more from live streaming whereas in america you know live streaming is not as popular and it's almost more like clout videos that get spread around and going viral exactly um another there was another case in shaman andrew people were making fun of each other on live stream and that somebody attacked somebody with a sword wore the machete and they got their hand cut off and this is teenager on teenager yeah and i i would think that is surprising to hear in china because you don't imagine chinese people to be that like aggressive but i guess there are so many chinese people and chinese people are just like any other human right they want attention it's human nature to be doing things for money and attention and it just goes too far sometimes shamans and fujian too they get busy out there yeah um somebody said it goes to show you that chinese social media is just as toxic and bad as american social media for some reason we add everybody believing in america that they were just watching science videos all day yeah no and here's the thing listen china is such a big country you have to understand china has like 3.5 times the amount of people in china than in america so yes you are going to hear crazy stories but it's almost like i guess nobody ever everyone in the world is clout chasing it doesn't matter the country or the situation or the culture you're from it's human nature because clout is attention and everybody wanted attention they are clout chasing in some way and people are just taking it too far but this is an issue that plays into human nature all across the so andrew let's get into our takeaways is it the human nature that's messed up that wants the clout and the attention or is it the tools that enable it or is it both because you can only regulate one you can't really regulate the human innate desire for attention exactly recognition you regulate the tool that enables that human nature to manifest itself in the worst way possible right allows them to release the endorphins to get the dopamine and the oxytocin i mean you have cars cars are dangerous for a number of reasons and that's why you have to get a license for cars obviously a lot of people are arguing that you need just as much training and licenses to own a gun because guns can kill a lot of people right if you just decide to one day right you just decide to kill five people you can do it right with a gun so i guess like the truth is i don't know social media doesn't right look like a weapon it doesn't look like a dangerous tool but clearly it can be used to for destruction in certain ways but and i do think it i don't know if it encourages a behavior that's not there but it can certainly exaggerate a pre-existing desire yeah so pre-existing desires that like want to get dopamine this way whether it's degenerate or not degenerate social media allows you to like really lean into that or is it just on the parents and being raised properly it it's on the parents and the teachers to teach these kids how to deal with social media just also that what parents got to teach their kids about guns right and how to handle a gun and then parents got to teach their kids how to drive right i think the most difficult thing and this is my actually honest answer that i just don't think will happen is i think you really have to separate your kids from social media for quite a few years when they're uh in their upbringing and raise them amongst real world and then introduce them later like you cannot raise somebody on social media that deep that early well the question is let's say parents are getting lazy and they're not trying to teach their kids things they're putting them on social media but social media is unregulated and then the kid has access to all these other things somewhere along that process there is not enough regulation if not by the parents then by you know the authorities yeah but anyway two tragic incidents are a beta everybody involved and um it's not meant to like you know make fun of anybody's death it's terrible but it's just like what can we learn moving forward to prevent this in the future all right everybody until next time please leave your comment down below we are the hot pot boys we out peace