 – Niida ausu kwa ya wu kwenjuni kwa wakuni ya usta jikiwa hanyu nii kwa nekutamu na mwenhafu ya mwenhafu ya mwenhafu, neighborhoods niido wakuni, hanyu nii kwa neko wakuni na wakuni angutomu nii kwa ptwzi, govena kwenjuni, nikuja hadii, hatiwa nii, kwa wakuni hini na wakuni nii kwa kwenjuni. – Inizia potiwa. – Kwa wakuni. – Kwa eno nikuja hini? President Ditherichafu wa Mounika Juma was the best person to be in that docket. I saw one of the writers. It's a homecoming for her because she grew up in the military space. The father was in the military. So I think she has an idea of what she will be coming to do. But even so, why is Kenya a soft sport for terror attacks? In specific relation to Alshabab and Somali. Oh sorry, thank you Hilary for having me as usual. Kenya is a soft sport for attacks, especially currently by Alshabab, but generally by the Somali, because I'm a student of history and I'll start around 1960s when Kenyatta was president. And remember we had the Northern Frontier District that was supposed to be Somali. There was a tag of what should it be Somalis or should it be Kenyans. And we chose to, Kenyatta chose to fight for it. Now if you look at the Somali flag, it has five stars. One, it represents the Northern District, Kenya's North Frontier District which is Northern Kenya, Djibouti, some parts of Eritrea. Then Somaliland, you've heard of Somaliland. That's the Italian Somali and then we have the British Somali. Somali will always been complete. And if you remember the Wagala Masaka, whereby, yes, where are we? Exactly, and it was all related to this. But then you come fast forward, Kenya again is an international hub when it comes to East Africa. And you remember that the US base, we had the American Embassy for Upper Bump Last Cooperative and now before it moved to Gighiri. So Kenya will always be a soft spot because until the Northern Frontier District goes back to Somali, it's not going to be good. And also remember Amisom because of the political instability that Somali has been going through. Kenya was part of the team among the countries that sent its army to Somali. So we don't actually get information on what exactly we are doing, when the war will end. Remember now it's over 10 years. So we only get what the government wants us to get, but we don't know what's going on inside there. So whatever is going on there and we are not aware, we are only going to see it through retaliatory attacks. Yes. Okay, what would be your opinion Diana? Where are we targeted oftenly? I feel we are targeted oftenly first of all because even of the Buddha point. It's kind of porous in nature. There are the KDF. There was some time back they were saying the KDF is building a wall between Kenya and Somalia. I don't know where it got through. Nobody knows where it got through. So yeah, I feel it's because of the porous nature of the Buddha point. And also the fact that we have had a lot of international community disputes. Remember we are also fighting for the triang at the ocean that has oil. So that also could be a factor. Okay, now you just mentioned some of the reasons and I would want you to put it in a layman's language for one to understand what is this northern frontier. Are we speaking of the northeastern part of Kenya the Somalis we know are our people they should not belong here or what are we talking about? Yes, I'm actually talking about that that in fact if you do a local survey personally I come where I live. I live in areas whereby we have a lot of Somali, Kenyan Somalis and I asked one of them, my neighbour she's under 18, she's around 16 years. I asked her so are you Kenyan or are you Somali. She said I am Kenyan Somali. Then I asked her when it pool comes to show and you have to like choose you said I've never been to Mogadishu but I am Somali. So the issue with the northern front district is that it belonged there was a task so it's just like the triangular the borders we have currently you know they were all drawn up by the British and it's the same issue she's talking about at the ocean the oil rich area. So and you also remember like the massage are also split. We have massage in Tanzania we have massage in Kenya same thing with Uganda we have communities literally in the western part of this country that when they cross the border they say I'm going to see my cousins literally so that's what happened with the north eastern part of this country and the Somali government then wanted its take and if you look clearly I wish you can google at your phone you will see the five stars so one of them literally belongs to they have claims they have claims and also Ethiopia but now you know Ethiopia now they have an Oromo president and Oromo is Somali and he has no problem with them claiming stakes but until then the Somali remember Somali is at war with itself but now when it comes to the external party it's even worse. We have a problem but now let's now focus to this particular doke that has been given to Monika Juma Overtime we have seen as being now attacked and I don't know reasons that you are raising here I don't know why because when former president Moiki Baki send these troops to Somali he was like like everyone thought this is something that will end but now it has been like this year, next year, next year so every year we are in Somali to ensure that the troops don't make it here but they do and this is something that has been contributed to some of our individuals Diana because I remember last week we had an issue some people arrested fairing individuals in Kenya and just the other day we had others being arrested in Kiambu so these people make it in Kenya how? Actually even today morning I was passing through Muay Avenue and no it was Kimati Street and I saw one person there being arrested the passport being taken like okay who are you and I knew definitely that is a suspicion of security breaches and for me I feel there is a major problem of corruption because we have rules we have border rules on how you get from one country to another where are we having illegal immigrants where are we still having we still have to keep this conversation going on and on when you go to developed countries like Europe it's really even hard to get into their countries but because here we still have corruption we still have people who want to be bribed at the border and even those guns don't get through underground of the air they still get through various borders and they're still here in Nairobi they're still here in the country so I feel Monika Juma the first thing that the cabinet minister Monika Juma the first thing that she should she should focus on is killing corruption in the defense sector because it is also said some of the KDF soldiers are bought now you remember the Garis attack we had the Ducit we had Westgate why wouldn't Kenyans learn from this there was an issue that was raised about how they command the double refugee camps why can't we have now as a nation come clear with the policies and say we we are not going to allow can we have now the defense ministry or any other organization that looks into the security of this nation to ensure the policies that have been put in place do not compromise the citizens of this nation unfortunately Kenya is a signatory to some international organizations rules and regulations for example the United Nations and an issue of like Dadaab and Kakuma is a foreign policy matter and we are actually signatories to host these countries and we receive funds to host them so then it becomes also an economic matter and you remember once upon a time currently the DP had actually said we are going to close Dadaab down these refugee camps and in human there was a lot of international outcry because when you go to these refugee camps who usually suffers most it's the women it's the children and they are the ones who are going to now you are asking them to go back to what on countries so it's actually in human and it will be a bridge of our part in international statues that we have signed so unless we want to get out of that it will be a bridge of international issues of the continuing terror attacks and I would like to bring you to a current recent debate by Boniface Mwangi and he was asking how are we recruiting the NIS because the other way to counter terrorism is through intelligence and there was actually found there is no proper structures I know once you read the magazine once in a while Daily Nation or the likes we know public servants are hired by public service commission we know how Parastat was hired but no one knows how NIS hires and Boniface was bringing it to attention that actually NIS is a preserve of government officials now to bring she talked about corruption and also now bringing an issue of nepotism in key state operations I mean the national intelligence service should be able to tell us what is happening if we are going to put incompetent people are they just because of a certain relative or they know someone and then also issues the ministry of defense they have been rumas that at the end of the day you still end up parting some amount of money to get to certain positions then again I come again to the issue again of KDF what we are doing in Somali well I understand these are issues of critical importance and even actually the office the auditor general has not audit defense and we have spent 500,000 that's it he cannot audit because why do you want to know how many guns we purchased why do you want to know what is going on these are matters of national importance yet the same soldiers KDF you will hear they are engaging in the salt sorry the sugar that had mercury smuggling so they are out there doing charcoal business doing sugar business so you wonder are we really here to protect or are we also part of the planda and matters of national security must always take a historical background while matters of tribalism for example kutu tutsin rwanda can somehow be sold over the years now matters of terrorism and then it comes attached in terms of religion it becomes like an issue of we are this unity and we are all we are all Islam and now you try this have killed empires matters of when it comes now to religion and in regards to terrorism this have even killed empires and the countries like if you look the history of Afghanistan Iran all these countries that have been involved in war of that nature it usually spans decades and decades and decades so to say that I welcome the cabinet I know that Monika Juma has a track record she was a PS she was PS immigration so she used to issue also ensure the ministry issues passports etc citizenship then she also moved to the PS defense where she did recommendable she was the architecture of Kenya national security even her husband Peter Kaguwanja is a lawyer and also an expert in international law especially matters regarding security was part of the formation of the AU and the likes of you know even the AU has the echo swing that fights for West Africa so I believe we have the background but now if we we have to do historical justice to Somali and for me I propose a radical measure for example they take the northern then we stop our court case we take the oil that's my radical apparently time is running out on us but as a security expert she has raised an issue of NAS how competent are our people and can we trust the intel that comes in just the other day we had an intel that came in some places will be attacked but then the DCI came out and said that's not work and whatever is out there did not come from us so whose job is this and how do we trust them ya even before I answer that question I'd like to comment that while we are giving security comments it's really good to be careful about branding a whole community or a whole religion because it brings another now kind of war and people are being secluded here they are not getting passports and to get to your question I feel we have the right personnel in NAS according to even the statistics the people have interacted with in the security sector we have the right personnel and now the formation of many agencies even in any other government ministry brings a lot of blame game this is not this is not our mandate this is not our mandate so it's also time especially governance experts like Anita to come out and tell and educate the public on who it's not even their work but it's the government's work like to come in who is mandated to do what because that is where the problem is because for me I feel these agents are even trained in Israel the government pays for them to go outside the country to be trained but the issue of corruption the issue of we don't know who takes the mandate so we have to deal with corruption in all ends now I want us to conclude with this one thing Samson Mwathere will be retiring next month he extended his tenure we remember most of the attacks have happened in the last 10 years during Karangi's time and now Mwathere is leaving the greatest task ahead of Monica Jumez to look for another person to take the position can you say Mwathere did the best he could and the person coming in what would they be doing Anita? I think it's more what's more important is not the personality around these key positions but rather the experience and we've had these guys are very experienced I believe some of these attacks were inevitable and we've handled it the best way we can as long as we still get people with the same qualifications people drawn from the same field everything will be okay but we must deal now for me the big question at hand is the historical injustice what to do we're into this did they do enough? no they didn't now finally how do we harmonize the minister of interior because we have the command problem see the police have arrived into the scene and then we have the KDF to be contacted there's always a blame game of command how will they harmonize to ensure that we are safe Anita? for me I'm still Boro from Monica's Juma style which is one of the best achievement form a multi agency team that's the best way and I've seen government do it time over again so for example the issue is saying lack of mandate bring like NIS guys together or bring the bosses bring PS interior bring the police bring police oversight authority let's have this team and see who does what when it comes from the top it will have a trickle down effect so for me I believe the best way for this have a multi agency team coordinate and work together if NIS comes with intelligence that's what it can do I've gotten this intelligence but it cannot like go fight wars ETC I mean everybody has their own mandate and they have their own skill so when they come with this who is supposed to do this and do this and do this come up with a counter mechanism framework Diane as a security expert how will they harmonize to ensure something happens they start blaming each other I feel just from one ministry that it's only one person who pulls the shots because the more we have a lot of agencies the more we have a multi agency policies are formed people sit in hotels they do a lot of policies they go for benchmarking and we still don't see the results for me just from one ministry and let one person pull the shots up there and girls still are the most affected when there is a KDF like when there was the or rather when KDF got for their own I'm lacking those words when they are going and who are killed mostly is the male figures in the family and the women and the children remain suffering so we have inequalities continue and continue in poverty so just form one pull the shots All the best to Monika Juma I personally trust her and the whole Republic we have our eyes on her and I believe she'll deliver I also wish Miss Monika Juma the best and also she should also check in the scene of cyber crime because it's also like a whole development that is affecting Kenyans Kenyans are losing their money their data Thank you so much for coming and airing your opinions and one thing that is coming out clearly is about corruption and is something that needs to end very soon they have been my guest Diana Njeri she is a security expert under Niten Kirote governance consort and coming up next is Waimasharik with the JTSK and Kendrel 2A2-54B see you again very soon My name is Edelawa Hillary have yourself a very good and wonderful week ahead Goodbye