 Good morning. You're very welcome to Awake in the Heart, and this is the last of our weekly sessions of Awake in the Heart, a 10 a.m. MST, and there'll be a little change in our schedule for next week. But for today, I'm very delighted to have Mystic David Hoffmeister with me. Thank you very much, David. Thank you. It's great to be here. And we had a wonderful show yesterday, and we were all really reveling here in this experience of transparency and this experience of like really unburdening your heart and seeing what you're really calling for in this moment. And we find that when the questions, if they can, come from there, then they answer everyone, no matter who's out there. So we'll probably be opening it up for questions as well. And actually, this morning I have a question on my heart, so I just was going to just ask David. So a few weeks ago, I suddenly got this kind of an urgency, which is always noteworthy when you get an urgency feeling, to find an old boyfriend. And I was, I wasn't quite sure, but it was like quick gripping this feeling of wanting to locate him in time and space. So I'm quite good at research. So I was able to find a certain amount out of where he seemed to be, but not able to see any current things. He seems to be in Melbourne. And the minute I heard Melbourne, I suddenly thought perhaps I'm trying to find him because maybe David's going there. And then last week I found out you're going there. So I didn't know if it was this feeling like there was something to share with him that you were there. Like because we had had this very kismet, very given and very healing joining for a short time, that was very beautiful and also seamlessly ended in a beautiful way. I had this, but what I want to address with you was what I noticed was is this thought that has come to me before this thought of panic rising, this thought of I need to connect with someone, this thought of a belief that I need to communicate. And last night I actually found then I had to face this thought perhaps he had passed away and this was needed to be clear to my mind. So really I'm very aware that I was facing some thought that I needed to do something at a very deep level. I needed to do something. And when I woke up this morning heavy after finding out that he's still alive well in the story, I could feel that there was this urgency feeling which I've experienced before and which I have stories to match which say something's required of me and the heaviness is this personal idea, this false responsibility. And the last time I felt that kind of urgency I was in on an adventure. I thought the Spirit has sent me on an adventure. I was in Thailand but everything just came together where I went deaf different things happened where I was laid bare in many ways and I kept getting this urgency to connect with a friend of mine but I wanted it to be a surprise that he got my postcard to say I was in Thailand and I didn't want to just phone him and ask him for his address and I kept hearing phone him ask him for his address phone him and talk to him tell me you're in Thailand. So he actually committed suicide on the day I didn't phone him. To get the address and even with all the teaching and with all the awareness I have and facing some thought in myself that there's still a belief that I must do something and when it comes up it's compelling and I really want to lay on the altar so I can have the bigger understanding of when I feel that sense of urgency I usually pause and pray and just any of these thoughts of as we go deeper our heart and our minds open up and we can hear many things because it's all in my mind I can hear my seeming brothers and sisters and their calls and their hearts too and I really want to come in so clearly too that all I need to do is accept the atonement for myself and I understand that not to be Sarah but there is still something and I know I don't even have to have a very good question for you to be able to answer deeper and so I just I felt like it's something that a lot of us face as we go deeper just our partner but also if there's anything deeper you can just go for it with your free to yeah yeah thank you for pouring that out but I think it's it's interesting because that this switch in the transition in the mind of responsibility for something in linear time into turning it around to responsibility for accepting the atonement in the mind is is a huge turnaround you might say that's the whole shift in awareness the shift in consciousness that the Course is aiming at where some people know the Serenity Prayer you know the Serenity Prayer is very brief but it's we all know it's pointing at something really important you know and that the last part the wisdoms and the differences the guide that will take us into this very important experience of really you know starting to realize what is what can change and what can't and coming to a state of acceptance which is really what the atonement's about accepting the atonement so oftentimes in the spiritual journey there will be a very strong sense of urgency and with good reason in other words the the Holy Spirit's voice the voice for God is is compelling it's not demanding but it is compelling it's compelling us to wake up it's compelling to to see the value of it to follow it and the Spirit will give us instructions that are very helpful and not just struct instructions to be just left hanging there but instructions that were to follow because that's what ignites the awakening if we just hear the instructions and we go well yeah yeah I heard you but there's no component of following or action that's that's asked then there'll be a deadness you know it'll be again it won't be that vibrant aliveness so I think back to Helen and Bill because there was a point you know Helen just hears the voice of Jesus so to speak comes in so clear and there was a point where Helen called Bill and said we need to call your friend so and so and and it was a very similar situation where this man was contemplating suicide and it felt very compelling Jesus told Helen Helen told Bill we need to call your friend and they did and it was very very helpful the other thing though and what you're bringing up is a sense of your experience in Thailand where you heard it over and over you know call and get the address get the address get the address that you didn't and then you committed suicide the ego will hijack this urgency it hijacks everything because the egos is single-minded with one thing guilt it will use anything and everything for guilt so even things that are seemingly very important in the plan of awakening like the urgency feeling and and getting instructions from the Holy Spirit the ego will hijack it and it will project the guilt to time and it the guilt comes out sometimes as if I had listened I if I personally or I Sarah had listened then I might have prevented a suicide I might my friend might be living today or if I done this differently if I'd only listened to what I felt in my heart instead of rushing into this then it would be different and so again we're getting very deep because that's getting into hypotheticals the belief that things could actually be different than they are and wisdom realizes that all things work together for good and and let all things be exactly as they are because all things are exactly as they are but from the linear perspective of the ego it's going to use anything to reinforce guilt that something could have been different I could have been better I could have done more I could have been more tuned in anything at all it will try to use for guilt so we're being undone from this belief in in linear time and ultimately there seems to be decisions to be made in time and space and that's still a seeming but I would say that that we're asked to okay you still believe in time so here you still believe in decisions so can you be open to pray Holy Spirit decide for God for me can I be open to say I give it to you you take it from here if there are decisions to be made then let me know what those decisions are let me give me the guidance let me follow that and I think I had that same kind of panic back in the 1980s when I was pouring myself into the course but I started to going to course groups so instead of it's just the first two and a half years of being so intimate it's just Jesus and the me and so to speak and the course it was going to course groups suddenly I found myself going to five course groups and having the strange phenomenon happen where the spirit started to speak through the body of David and and then people's heads would start to turn and they would be attentive and listen and this phenomenon started happening and then I would leave the course group and then as I was driving home all the ego would come in with a vengeance and just say you know well yeah yeah they seem to be very happy with what you said and everything but but what if you they start to tune in and respect and honor what you're saying and what if if you give something that can harm them in some way or what if someone kills himself based on what you spoke or whatever and I remember having a you know kind of feeling like that's that feeling that can be fear or panic come up and I do remember Jesus in the Holy Spirit basically saying no David you're not healing anyone and neither are you harming anyone you know you you've got too much importance on this personality self the spirits like I've got it I'm doing the whole thing and if you interpret that you're helping anyone or you're harming anyone you've gone off right into the ego you're trying to usurp and take on a function this Holy Spirit is the healer and nothing else so it was like oh thank you and then of course this what happened to when I would facilitate small groups I remember I had a small group at this store called whatever works wellness center on Montgomery Road and going in there and a small tiny little thing I was helping facilitate and everything and then I did this for some weeks and then some months and then getting back to my house one time and getting two envelopes two letters from two people there's only like two or three people in the whole group and I had uh I had messages letters postal letters from two of the women in this tiny little group that I was facilitating and the Holy Spirit was saying now here this will be a very important teaching open the first one so I opened the first one and it was oh all praises praises praises praises you've helped me so much that I just went on and on and on and on opened the second one from the another woman in the same little group it was all negative how dare you that you know it was just and and then the Holy Spirit had me lay the two letters down side by side and say see what I'm talking about that you can't claim the credit and you can't take the blame it's it's not a person here this is spiritual awakening and the spirit is is doing it all and it really brought home that I was feeling the prompts I was feeling those urgencies those strong callings and I couldn't deny that and and none of us should deny that important feeling but I was being shown believe me it's not personal you're not doing anything positive or negative here which is what we talk about all the time that that it's positive judgments hold the mind back from this forgiveness experience as much as the negative thoughts and judgments so it's it's a it's a continuum that you have to see the whole continuum is false come back to the point come back to the point of the moment and that's where it's freed up so that's the big shift from taking responsibility for outcomes and consequences to taking responsibility for your happiness responsibility for your joy responsibility for peace responsibility for accepting the correction accepting the atonement he says you are not responsible for the error but you are responsible for accepting the correction to the error that's important he also says beware you know just keep an eye out do not project the error to time as soon as we projected to a time scenario like oh sara she's there in thailand and she could have made a better choice she could have listened as soon as the the error of mind gets projected to time that's where the the problem started that the guilt comes in immediately because it's a projection of error and error and guilt are synonymous but at least error is not a sin it's not like a black mark on your soul it's just an error to be corrected and that's what spiritual awakening is about it's about authentically being willing and open and ready to accept the correction it's wonderful i i suddenly remembered in the middle of our quantum weekend that you said that again to not protect the the error to time and and it gave me a huge release and and i think that's what i need to be reminded of again today because i want to my part feels like laying my hands down till things are made super obvious or what is to do but i want to come in to see no error i want to come in to see trust i don't want to use even these expansions in the mind to to lead me astray i think there's a problem i don't want to use it to reinforce the error i'd really like to use it to you know be shown that there isn't there isn't anything personal to do and and i i'm i feel like there's been such a big self-concept in my whole life and it's nothing to do with even a spiritual journey i mean since i was two in the story there's just the self-concept that that's that that i help people are that that's what i want to do like there's there's a self-concept that that was more important than than this sense of self it was just but of course that was a neat trick i had a seven billion wide self-concept so whether it was saving the planet when i was very small which i was trained to do and are you know then saving individuals or animals or people are even that then the sense of self and i need to push the people away because i now have to to do it here i just want this push pull feeling to to i just want to let it lie i want to let it fall so i can face because i can feel there's still things to face like it the idea that there will be repercussions like you said just that there could be repercussions whether it's on a seeming personal level or or interperson that there's repercussions in the screen and i think maybe i've been enjoying watching the movies with everyone here on saturday mornings and i don't feel responsible for what happens to the characters in the movie but i can watch with and with that same sense of presence and i really i really would like to come into that more consistently being my experience it's there a lot but it's not consistent yet and i think that's i just want to then like when something comes like this so raw i want to let it up because it doesn't because that's why it's coming so i feel like there's all this gratitude for this mad boy whatever because that's what it's for and i feel like this gratitude with everyone who's been in my life like this is all they've been bringing to me even the friend that seemed to commit suicide will be just again just this love letter of it's not for you will just keep playing it out for you yeah like it's a gift like like like your love so much that i'll play it out for you and and give you this another opportunity and you're ready like are you ready did you get it yet okay we'll try a different angle that time you could just see a real playful spirit behind all of it did you get it that time don't worry we'll try again you know it's just very light and playful and and that really is it and i think that the thing that really uh we want focus we want directness and and uh you know all of us have had thoughts about about saving relationships and and saving the planet and saving the ozone layer and and the environment and saving people and a lot of times christians will it's a big thing are you saved right you know and saving souls and i mean it just goes on and we could make a list generate a list of all the things you're supposed to save to be good and then the master comes in finally uh jesus comes in and and he basically again like the formula yesterday you know that i was giving to to see the impossibility with with candy of of uh of sickness you know i'm not a body and my mind cannot attack so i cannot be sick it was like a one two three well jesus is it's that's one two three this is like a one two that it's the one two to end all the one twos forever to end time and basically it's about saving in salvation where the only thing that we will say that can be saved is the mind so really it's good to know that we don't have to save the whales we don't have to save the dolphins we don't have to save the ozone layer we don't even have to have leftovers and save food we don't have to save money we don't have to save people we don't have to save souls plural souls as if there's multiple seven billion souls and then there's animal souls and depending on what religion you're working with there it can get pretty complicated but there's no there's no need to save anything at all in form it's only the mind that needs salvation the only the mind needs to be saved which is the one and what's the two jesus doesn't even stop there he gives us a great shortcut back to the kingdom of heaven to tell us exactly what needs to be saved leave go of all the rest and just save this one thing and that'll be good but he doesn't even stop there he says how what a great master not only he says what needs to be saved but he's going to say how and his how is peace so only the mind needs to be saved and it's only saved through peace wow that eliminates all the other means and that eliminates all the other objects or you might say directions just the mind to be saved and only through peace that's even simpler than our equation yesterday it's now we're down to a two-parter only the mind needs to be saved and it's only saved through peace and that means the lesson is extremely simple that's like a razor sharp that anytime the temptation comes up to feel guilty with any one of our coda woulda shoulda hypotheticals that ego is so grateful to generate many oh what about that oh you think you're so good oh what about that you happy now well don't forget about this you know it's always generating hypotheticals to keep the mind in fear and guilt and it's so afraid of peace it's afraid of stillness it's afraid of the mind i mean why do you think the cosmos even seemed to come into existence except to persuade the sleeping mind to forget about the mind to lose the mind lose track of the mind and get caught up into bodies and brains and images you know the whole point of this distracted device the whole point of this cosmic linear smokescreen is for one reason to make you mindless so you might say human beings that are focused on being human having a body having a brain having a cardiovascular system and all so on and so forth all of that is just one purpose is to be mindless to forget that you are a divine mind to forget that you are an idea christ in the mind of god it's an elaborate scheme and there's all this focus on fixing and saving problems problems problems oh we got a plumbing problem oh we got a this we got oh i'm hungry oh this is thirsty there's this there's this it's always just projecting its own lack and neediness onto the body and the body is completely neutral in fact the whole world is neutral the whole world is has been neutralized because it went from being linear to from the ego to being a point simultaneous point with the holy spirit which is what the quantum field forgiveness is about and so the spirits just calling us to say just remember you're here to save your mind and the one mind and it's done through peace so whenever you're not peaceful you need to take a pause and just say what what am i thinking what was i thinking what was i believing you need to have a moment where you you want to be wrong about the perception no matter what you're feeling if it's not happiness and peace and joy it doesn't really matter what upset and there's doesn't the degree of the upset doesn't matter the direction of the upset doesn't matter nothing of the of the error matters except oh i need to use peace i need to come back to peace as my solution for my mind as my healing of mind i need to come back into that alignment of peace and it's so extremely simple that it's overlooked in a myriad of disguises and myriad of forms yeah i recently made a commitment to not project my discomfort uh to my projects which is what you're saying you know project the error to time and then to try and you know tweak them so just keep adjusting the projects the people on the projects of the project or the post or the way the spelling or whatever you know tweak it it gets into perfectionism where you try to perfect the form and then that's a real mind bender yeah yeah especially i mean and it's such a great backdrop because you have someone who in the story was dyslexic and is in charge of these things going out you know it's it's it's ironic and i realized that i was still def defending something in the way i was trying to prepare even a post and i i really had to surrender and watch that and the second i did it they said well here's a proofreader for you you know instantly and and so i yeah i really i i just want to i want to really commit to that of not displacing my discomfort and when you were talking about um you know undoing the pleasure as well i was thinking that you know those are all just quick fixes to allay the discomfort so i don't want to either project the discomfort and try and fix it in the form in any way and and that to me felt linked in somehow with pleasure i was as i watched that jesus movie were um risen they were all they all had this scene where they're they're spending the night out um on the way to uh pernicus or i'm not sure where they were going um and they're sleeping on the rocks and i looked them i was like so comfortable i wish i'd love to be on that rock you know really sincerely i thought i felt the relaxation out and i was in one of these lazy boy chairs at a really plush cinema with my feet up going it could that rock is so much more comforting than this this chair because i want the piece and it was symbolic that's what they had chosen you know they they were they were just following their they just had their little bag and and they was like i want the piece and so i think i'm also watching i don't want the anytime i think there's a complexity it's the same projection of time error that's a good example because in that movie they're happily on their way uh to where they are going to meet jesus again the risen jesus so they're on their way to meet christ well that's a pretty good description of purpose on your way to meet christ i can't even think of a better description of purpose and and therefore a body sleeping on a rock is like well i'm on my way to meet christ like i'm having this reminds me of recently when when nakita and i were out and we took this a friend took us to this far off beach that had gigantic waves and had to hike and hike and hike and hike to finally get to the beach and there were these big dunes and i just was happy i said oh look at this dune and i thought it was the perfect reclining chair and just laid back and it was ah god this is so perfect but yeah it it's like when you're on your way to meet christ or when you're in the opening to the christ to the christ idea to the christ mind wow this world is spectacular everything about this world is spectacular because you're in the point on the way to meet christ on the way to see myself as the christ on the way to christ self recognition self realization that's that's the point of everything so when you're in the point then everything is glorious so when a friend says to you you know get to the point just remember that next time you're having a discussion come on get to the point oh yeah oh my god thank you forget i don't need to talk anymore that's come back to the point you know that's that's everything thank you thank you it's wonderful well i'm really open if you feel like taking more questions yeah song or whatever yeah i'm open to we'll see if there's any questions and if there is we can address them and if not eric could come out and sing us a song candy good morning good morning it's me again i have another question and it's related to who we are who we i am um today's lesson is i am as god created me and uh after the sharing from yesterday it's amazing how that is really sitting well with me so that was fantastic i wanted to share it back at the same time i'm noticing that when i'm practicing that because i'm trying to to say the words as often as possible that there's this notion of the one that we are basically taught in christianity that we are a soul and i remember reading in in in one of your books david i think it's in the awakening one um that this is notion that we're a soul that is inside this body and you could say almost like encased in the body and and that that's who we are and uh based on on what i've learned so far in the course that's not who we are we're not this little thing that is somewhere in that body um because we're spirit so i guess um what i sometimes find a bit confusing is uh is the idea that that i am a mind as opposed to spirits or maybe i've gotten something wrong because for me soul has always been spirit it's and mind for me is almost like um a level below spirit you could say talking about levels where that body is at the lowest level then comes the mind and then comes the spirit but um maybe looking at it from that point of view is is is is still conceptual is still you know the illusion so if you could clarify that it would be great okay that's great well one thing that comes to mind right away is the the course started being translated to all these languages i don't know we're maybe up to 17 or 18 languages or something like that and when they came to the french language um in french there's there's not two different words for mind and for spirit it's less spree you know it's it's one word there's not two things there and it almost reminds me too of uh that movie what the bleep do we know where the the scientists they said we they've actually taken photos of of something that's just one thing but it appears as many and then they actually show the picture and then he says that he's like this just mind boggling he says it looks like the series of a couple or multiple objects and he goes and it's it's just one thing it's just one thing you know he says it's mind mind boggling so so in terms of spirit um in a course of miracles you might say that uh at times jesus capitalizes the word mind and when he capitalizes that he'll talk about the mind of god uh and and in the other in the sense of like well god is pure spirit and that's an interesting phrase the mind of god because he's certainly equating like the french do he's kind of equating mind and spirit the spirit of god the mind of god he's he's using that term the the mind of god the mind of christ um uh or even saying that christ and he capitalizes christ as well is an idea in the mind of god who now there's an idea in the mind of god wow that's interesting because we had spirit before one word and truly throughout the literature of spirituality you're talking about soul is a term that gets used in different ways and jesus is basically saying you can use the word soul in fact he did they actually kind of did some editing to kind of make it a little more consistent but initially he was using the word soul as well and that's fine too as long as it's seemed to be eternal spirit if you think of soul as eternal spirit if you think it is this thing that's on a journey a journey through time and space or something that incarnates into physicality and then leaves and then reincarnates you know like reincarnation then he's like no no that's not a good definition of soul because the soul is a creation of god god creates the soul and if god is spirit then the soul is spirit if god is eternal then the soul has to be eternal so it gets in the literature it starts to get complicated what jesus does is he's using capital mind capital mind then he starts using lower case mind which he says there's a right mind and a wrong mind well that can't be in reality but obviously he's using that for some kind of educational purposes uh and he says the mind seems to have two parts it's as if it has two parts and he says that in the clarification of terms which is at the end of the book which originally was dictated at the beginning but why they stuck it at the end I don't know I think clarification of terms would help me a bit uh Jesus did take me back to the back of the book first so it didn't mess me up but uh but anyway in there he says it's as if the mind as if the mind has two parts and he italicizes the two words as if when jesus italicizes words they must be important I mean when he capitalizes capitalizes something I pay attention okay who you're capitalizing this capital M mind it must mean something and then you've got a lower case mind and it's a right mind and a wrong mind okay there's a difference there I trust that he's doing this for a reason that there's he's giving me some steps and a ladder to come back into heaven he's not just going boom love is period you know he's he's giving me 1200 some odd pages you know he's he's got a system going there and it must have an importance to do that so ultimately he does come out and he says mind is the activating agent of spirit ooh isn't that interesting mind is the activating agent of spirit so it's almost like spirit is just what is you know like uh Byron Katie loving what is spirit it would be what is and then we're going through an experience of of awakening to what is of coming out of our sleep our slumber our our amnesia coming back to a remembrance of spirit a remembrance of God and these terms are just terms that he's using to help us out and to me it's not confusing in the sense when I think well I'm just going to give myself over to the whole process I'm not going to try to pick pick the book apart because at times if I start to go looking for differences and to pick it apart it's almost like I'm I'm I've got a ladder and I'm not interested in climbing the ladder I'm more interested in picking comparing this rung with that rung and trying to make some linear sense out of the ladder and Jesus is like grab hold of any rung you can get I've thrown the darn thing down there and and I don't really care get grabbed off any rung you can on this thing it's like you're you're drowning you know in the sea and he's throwing a ladder one of those those rope ladders off and he's throwing it right out in the ocean and and you know we're in there going I don't I don't understand what does that rung mean it is you just grab the rope grab the ladder come on you know that's he's so gracious he's he's throwing a rope he's throwing a rope ladder down and he said and then when people get on and they start climbing and then they get so fascinated with the rungs oh this is oh this is good this is oh I like oh I oh oh I like that I'm staying here it's good enough good enough I like this rung you know the ego will it it it wants to camp out it wants to set up house it wants to marry a rung oh yeah I'll marry you oh yeah this is good good enough enough you know and Jesus is like no keep climbing come on I didn't throw you this so that you could just get half the way up you know no I like I'm staying here I'm gonna stay right here he's like no actually you know this this ladder rope ladder is coming off of the Titanic and you better keep climbing because if you just hang on there the whole the ladder the ship it's going down everything in this world is going down and we need to keep climbing to go towards eternity to go towards life eternal which is really the point of it all the point isn't to climb and when we come into eternity we don't go oh thank you for that rope there is no rope you you actually forget the ladder once you you get to that point you forget the entire ladder it's as if it's as if it was never there as if there was never a climb never a process it's just it's reverse amnesia then you remember God and you forget the ego and the time and the process so so it's good that you're you're aware of this when you call upon you think I'm a soul just kind of remember that that's like harkening you to eternity and don't get too fascinated with the mechanisms of the words and the props and the symbols that get used let your desire be to awaken and when you have a strong desire to awaken then everything that you need the symbols will gently flow just temporarily into your awareness and then they will also flow away they will fade away and they will disappear all these teachings and even what we see today in the world there's so many coming from the east there's so many new age teachings um I was thinking I mean yes they're all a creation of our egos it's all an illusion um but I remember reading somewhere um in one of the books um that that was just recently actually and um that basically we're moving from dreaming this illusion to a dream of forgiveness and then that basically is the step or was it you sarah who mentioned that I don't remember anyway uh and then that is basically the last step in terms of the illusion of the conceptual world in which we live and that's where God takes the last step quote unquote and and and and we awaken so first of all it did I get it right and and secondly if that is this is sort of what it happens then um would it be uh accurate to say that all these teachings regardless of what they look like are in some way or another helping us get to that dream of forgiveness for that I guess I'm trying to find a way to reconcile the fact that I've been learning so many different things for so many years now and and that's okay I don't regret it because they've gotten me to this point where I am right now and and and study in the course of miracles um but I sometimes wonder because I see other people who are stuck you could say in those um in those teachings and even though I'm I don't think I'm judging it but it's like oh okay I was there once okay um but it was helpful for me hopefully it'll be helpful for them and hopefully those teachings will bring them somewhere that gets them to that dream of forgiveness and then we can all awaken so to speak so um yeah I forgot what the question was but am I making sense yeah I think you were just describing uh that thing I talk about like amnesia when when you have an amnesia from God then there's a step from from aware being that you're dreaming becoming aware that you're dreaming and then opening to a complete change of purpose in which you forget the world and you awaken to God and so it's like reverse amnesia instead of forgetting God and and remembering the world you forget the world and remember God so it's just that turn so in that sense yeah that's a nice conceptualization of it and then ultimately it comes down to really your desire to know God to know thyself you know like the Greek said know thyself it just becomes your your desire your passion and and therefore you don't have any kind of interest in comparing contrasting or even hanging on to concepts you know like Buddha and Jesus both say lay aside the concepts so it's beautiful there was one point where Helen Shuckman was scribing the course scribing the course and then the course came and she was a little egoically a little protective protective of the course she called it my book and um you know it's typical the ego will you know it will try to claim anything even the course and then started to notice that there were people that were talking about the book and comparing and contrasting it to other spiritual pathways which initially she didn't even she was a research psychologist that really wasn't didn't care about spiritual pathways was kind of like taken in to be the scribe and then turned to be an answer to a prayer for help but there was one point where she started like kind of judging people who seemed to be judging the course the my book was taking the few hits here and there and she was feeling conflictual and she went to Jesus and Jesus had a beautiful thing that he said to her he said he said take not another's pathway as your own neither should you judge it and oh wow that's there it is again take not another's pathway as your own neither should you judge it in other words if you keep focusing on on the spiritual awakening using your emotions and and giving things over to the Holy Spirit that's a full time job and really we're just asked don't get distracted into looking out what are they doing what are they up to what about this path we're not even asked to make some kind of composite theology or composite religion we're being called into eternal peace we're being called into an actual forgiveness experience that means letting go of judging and comparing and contrasting so you know if somebody asked me with sincerity if they asked me about a particular book for example or theology or whatever like if somebody said to me well I've I've studied many religions and many philosophies and many spiritualities and they said some of them seem to be kind of dualistic where they say there's good and evil and and heaven and hell and and that these are both realities and there's a there's like a a long-standing conflict that's going on between two things that are actually different and it's like two forces battling almost like sometimes people will say well you know satan is just a fallen angel and now satan is the angel is turned against god and it's like these two forces fight the good fight and you know win the battle and all this and this there's dualistic philosophies and then there's non-dualistic philosophies all is one all is god all is one in truth and so on and so forth they and they say which one is more helpful to me I would if I was guided in in that moment to say I would I would say well the non-dualistic pathway is in advance it will take you there more directly but see even that's just a guidance that's just a judgment of the moment because in reality there's not dual and non-dual you know it's just what to be truly helpful is just to let the spirit come through and use whatever symbols whatever parables bring healing and joy and laughter you know and you're really teaching what you would learn you're coming clearing the way the debris to come into the silence for for yourself and for the whole universe so yeah I'm not into comparing and contrasting teachers or teaching styles or books or so on and so forth it's just that if something comes through that will help seemingly save time and that's just a concept too if time doesn't exist how can it be saved but shorten seeming learning process or shorten the unlearning process if you want to call it that shorten the undoing process these are all just concepts but it's the prayer of the heart that's underneath for that peace and for that clarity that's what's important and then the world the words just come they're just given involuntarily you don't there's no point in judging them you there's no point in saying oh I shouldn't have said that or I could have said something different that's all that's back into hypotheticals again in the mind the ego will just use that to try to generate guilt so it's good you're at these are very good subtle questions but you can start to resonate with maybe not even with the words themselves but just with the presence the love that's underneath the words that's the most important thing something that I've been noticing and I'm wondering if this is part of the unwinding of the unlearning that increasingly I'm reacting less emotionally to things even when I'm watching movies and I do my best to watch them from the perspective oh okay what can I learn in terms of what am I feeling and the way you have guided us to do I find that it's become more objective in the sense that I'm not feeling much sometimes there's an outburst and usually it's related to that longing that I do feel inside to awaken and just be back home so to speak the way I call it um but I find myself increasingly just thinking oh okay and then instead of feeling something there's more a thought that I become aware of or a belief that I become aware of and if I remember the levels of mind as you describe them I'm thinking oh okay I'm getting closer to that core that must be part of the unwinding I guess I'm just trying to understand what I'm going through it not that I'm always there I mean I'm sure there's still a lot of unwinding to do but is that basically what's happening as you get deeper into that core or closer to the core that you become less emotional about things I think there's a purification of the emotions so you become seemingly more aware of of the love although again love is not something that you can't be more or less aware of so you know these are very much like it's the latter again so when you're saying like I guess I'm just trying to understand what is happening my suggestion would be just let go of that what does that mean let go of the need to understand the steps I've had people that come and they'll they'll go oh my god I found it in the manual for teachers Jesus has laid out the stages of the development of trust and then they try to go where am I which some and some people will say I'm on two or four or six or whatever and then they'll go or maybe I'm on all of them simultaneously you know they I don't know they say I don't know and it's kind of reminds me that I heart how could be you know if you translated time is space you know yes time but not time but not space oh no I don't want you're talking about you know it's a funny little scene there and I don't know what you're talking about is is what I'm talking about or in Solaris I could tell you what's happening but that wouldn't really tell you what's happening because he George Clooney you know that Chris Kelvin has to experience it for himself he nobody can prepare him for Solaris the words aren't going to do it so what I tell people is save yourself a lot of anxiety a lot of frustration and everything by not trying to figure out your spiritual pathway by not trying to figure out and understand the process give it up and what does that mean well there's a great line where Jesus says peace and understanding go together and cannot be found apart so so when I'm completely peaceful you could call that self realization or enlightenment then finally there's an understanding but without enlightenment there's absolutely no understanding at all and the mind's kind of like a cat chasing its tail what do you think that I read did you read that latest book I did a workshop with oh I read I met that one he was an angel well I saw him one time I you know he he wasn't happy you know da da da da this the ego is it's just trying to make an understanding of the world and even of the process and even of the so-called spiritual process of awakening and none of that can be understood because peace and understanding go together and cannot be found apart so again one line from Jesus just ooh you can just ah go right into that experience and it does seem to be a release process but I think it's more of an acceptance you're just coming to a place of of self-acceptance of accepting the correction that's what's happening beautiful thank you so much it extremely helpful I just noticed it's basically the ego trying to control the process by asking by by getting stuck in the process and trying to understand it so to speak so um oh yeah this is sinking in excellent thank you so much thank you thank you thank you thank you I'm having a song one of the rest of the songs come to mind this is the rest of it received like 275 so songs from the angels but sometimes she would just get a download of the song and she would come out and she would just burst into laughter burst into laughter sometimes with a particular lyric and one time I think the line that she got she was laughing on keep you stuck in time like flies and glue she just burst into laughter or she always would have a line that she would be channeling the song from the angels and then she just burst into laughter because she couldn't stand how funny it was you know she couldn't hold on but the one I think the one that that one was from was called stream and dreamy oh because here we are doing now streaming we're streaming and um isn't that interesting now years later that was back with resta in the 1990s but years later we've got lm virtual we're we're streaming awake uh this beautiful show and and streaming dreamy oh was I think it went there's stream and audio and stream and video the faster way to go when you have to download but now you need to know about a crazy show called streaming dreamy oh and this one just is hilarious it's like the angels were forecasting this moment as here we are on our streaming show awake in the heart uh can't organize the script prioritize the script forms you cannot pick the ones you like you know I mean the whole song is about just sit back and enjoy the the whole ride enjoy the watching I mean these songs are a whole pathway to God we've got them online I think the music of christ.net if you are tired of reading you're tired of meditating you're tired of following gurus and teachers you're tired of you're tired of living in the world you just want to just find a nice soft chair like this oh I see the lean back and you just kind of lean back and and put on your your resta music of christ these are the kind of songs that are so wonderful and they just wash over you oh yeah you just wash what's your pathway to God I'm going to be washed I'm just going to be washed I'm just going to let it wash over me wash away all thoughts wash away all concerns all doubts and and laugh I mean resta and I would just laugh and laugh and laugh at these songs that kept coming and coming and coming and coming and to we have a whole other pathway to God through music through music and lyrics and that's available so that's the fun part of this awakening is that when you really feel the joy and the happiness that all these symbols there's a lot of ropes and a lot of ladders that come out and it's what what do you resonate with you like music great you like movies great you like meditation silence great why not use all three if you like all those three things you like tennis why not use that as a open-eyed meditation and place in tennis tai chi yoga the spirits like have fun really enjoy it let the spirit use whatever symbols you have in your life in as part of a gentle awakening and and feel really good about that feel like you can totally engage in it and you don't have to sit back and analyze and contrast and compare and try to pick and choose where you just it's just given to you maybe you like breathing you know use that as your meditation breathing meditation well how do you reach God I breathe okay good you know we just need to realize the spirit can use everything and you don't have to start to keep judging what's spiritual and what's not spiritual some people say well you know you got to eat organic and this and this I thought Jesus said 2000 years ago it wasn't what you put in your mouth that defiled it's what proceeds forth from your heart you know he told us that 2000 years ago sometimes people are judging certain actions and certain things are spiritual it's more spiritual to not lock your car than to lock your car it's more spiritual to you know eat this thing or do this thing it's more spiritual to exercise and not or this it's just trying to lift certain images up as higher or better than the others and in the end you have to drop the whole thing anyway so why not do it sooner than later why not drop all of that comparison and just pray to the spirit to say what is what will inspire me to keep opening to you and then whatever the spirit drops in you got it grab on and let it take you that's right grab a rung and go for a ride yeah yeah because it's not like I I also had this you know what how do I need to be this management feeling with it all and I'd even to turn around to Jason the early days and say how am I doing all the time this constant evaluation and and the spirit's trying to sweep me off my feet yeah and just grab a rung and this ladder's going up you know yeah it's so it's just that's the only direction there is like and it's symbolic here but I don't know I just that's that's it I'm for that I'm for that and I I'm I'm for sharing the joy of that and that that it's true you know so that there isn't you know there isn't this hard arduous journey and linear time that we have to go through you know I always want to come back to that point that you're offering yeah yeah I'm getting a scene flashing in my mind of the the movie Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and then with Dick Van Dyke and then his father the mustache and everything where he goes out in the loo you know to just close the door and everything and he gets taken up and is carried along in this blimp kind of thing and at some point they just decide to to lower him if he doesn't agree with them so and lowering lowering and lowering this bathroom down toward the water and he's singing singing singing away I mean even as it is that comes down and touches the water he's not he has no thought of anything of the world not of water not of dropping not of landing not of thinking not of drowning nothing nothing nothing it's just this happy man singing singing singing singing he's actually singing that he thinks he's flying first class yeah he's got his own cabin yeah he's he's so happy that he's got his own cabin and he's singing a song of gratitude as as they're trying to lower him into the water he's so happy he's literally oblivious and I think that's the thing if we get into our joy and our function we do tend to become oblivious of the world because why because it's not outside because when we're happy the whole world is happy we've been fooled into believing that that we can be happy and the world can be sad but if the world is not outside our mind when we're happy the whole world's happy you know when you're smiling when you're smiling the whole world smiles with you that is metaphysically correct that is true empathy that is true empathy so that's why we're so happy with that song when you're laughing you know it just goes on and on it's teaching us that we are one mind we're unified and that we need to stay happy by by staying aligned with our source and you know that's as simple as you can say it yeah it's pretty easy it's pretty good people say sometimes it's it's not easy or it's difficult or anything I I just can't believe that you mean to tell me that it's more easy to be to be angry and hurt and conflicted than it is to be happy I can't believe there's anything simpler than happiness you know that's that's my experience in fact it's it's the only thing that there is now it's not there's nothing else so you just stay open I did get a a call or it was a Facebook message today and I'll deal with it later today but it was a friend who was riding on behalf of another friend who's in such a dark dark place a suicidal place and just saying could could the friend do a Skype call with me so yeah I'm open to those kind of things but that's just just be happy and be used by spirit you know to to shine your light yeah I feel like and for me and for what I brought this morning and it you shared on it's like I can I can follow those prompts and everything it is only the lack of peace with anything that I seem to be doing that is the constriction I need not worry about the form of any of it or even the backdrop of what it looks like if I'm devoted to the singular piece yeah you can be quite clueless about that one yeah and therefore truly helpful yeah yeah like a conduit yeah thank you thank you thank you well it's been an absolutely beautiful show and I'm very grateful for David for having joined us and he's he's often an adventure he's going to Australia next week so if you have friends down under and you can let them know that he's going to be in Melbourne on the 20th and in Sydney on the 26th and there may be other adventures in between but just let them know that he's he's coming for those dates for definite and yeah more spontaneous travels like California just really open and whatever unfolds yeah yeah it'd be very interesting to just watch what unfolds and thank you for everyone who's responded I did put that email out about spontaneous travels and there was a number I think over 50 responses and it's still trickling in so yeah it'll be fun to to watch to see just watch the dream just watch the dream and awake in the heart and is having a schedule change and as of do you want to come and talk about that sure so I can't quite remember when we're on again I'll be on tomorrow but aside from that yeah we have to we have our miracle maybe tomorrow morning at 10 a.m. and then our Sunday service but next week we're trimming our schedule down quite a bit because it feels like a lot of new exciting things are going to be coming in that our minds are getting prepared for and so next week this we'll only have this show awake in the heart on Monday morning so there'll be Monday morning and then Friday evening will be the Francis out of the blue comes Francis zoo at Friday at 5 p.m. and then we'll have our Saturday morning movie we'll keep that so next week it'll just be the Monday the Friday and the Saturday and then our Sunday service as well so basically we'll have four things next week Monday morning at 10 Friday at five with Francis Saturday at 10 for the movie and then our Sunday service at 11 so four days in a row Friday Saturday Sunday that's right it's yeah really four days next week it'll be four Friday Saturday Sunday Monday yeah so it's great yeah and we'll send out an email so if any of you need to make sure you're on the email for livingmiracles.org and if you click the LM virtual button you click on the LM virtual button and you can sign up and it's really helpful because what we're going to be doing is not only will we be letting you know spontaneously if we're doing adventurous types of things like we spend most of our life doing here but we're also I'm also going to find exactly all that music that David was talking about and send you out a link for it so that you could listen to streaming Dreamio and and really I encourage you actually I'm going to lean a bit more towards you for this yeah I encourage you to to start looking at all of the things we have on offer that can support you so we're going four days a week but we have been putting out all of this wonderful content that has been coming pouring through David for years now whether it's the books or the online videos which are just so rich and deep it's all of the core teachings that David has done on video and it's all on one site and that's acim-online.net we'll put that in the email too and then acim.me which is the audios which is searchable and you just put in your question and there is David answering you again you know with a little write-up of the nugget of the core of the talk and also the doorway which is really just wonderful and the doorway is the the deepest of these teachings collected under themes so we've got trust and inspiration guidance and transcending fear which is just wonderful it's like instead of having something in the back of your mind that you're like constantly putting to one side it's like turning to face it and finding all this love and joy that's really waiting for you beneath it and of course always a favorite holy relationship which is really about looking at the relationship you have with everything in the world and yourself but also those ones that seem to entangle us the most which seem to be these interpersonal very close relationships which we can use for an experience of transcendence as well because they're what give what's given and David's always reminding us that the course is nine chapters on relationship because it's a pathway of relationship you know and I think that's always been a very attractive thing for all of us this is a pathway of relationship something that's ubiquitous it's everywhere in your life and you can use it you don't need to go to a cave to to come home to an experience of the piece that David's sharing about so it really encouraged you to look at all those things and that's acim online courses is that correct ACM courses dot com that one up here our function is like a hundred different websites yeah the easiest one to go to and it's a great one to share with friends as well or to share online is acim.biz that's really great because it's like a portal site and what we've done is we've linked all of our sites to there and if you go in there you will find absolutely hundreds of hours of audios you've probably never even heard even if you've been following us for years there's just it's just a wealth of links to other portals and of course the movie watchers guide to enlightenment online which is mwge.org always a favorite and yeah I just want to say thank you again David and thank you Eric for doing all these weeks of just because we feel we're having a shift of everything we've been throwing our heart into for the last while and it just this every time there's a shift it's just a renewal of our commitment to what we're doing it for and why and I think I show up here showing why I'm doing it every day for myself and and and then there's a gift in that for the whole universe because it's in my mind on my heart so I'll see you tomorrow 10 a.m. and really do check out all of those channels and share them with your friends so thank you very much from the bottom of my heart thank you and I'll leave you with a line from streaming dream you okay no need to get upset you can't adjust the set the only choice you get is your point of view that's good musicofchrist.net that's the link I think it's I think it's active for many years actually music of Christ on it love you all I love you thank you love you